#instantbird log on 07 27 2012

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00:50:24 <clokep> aleth: I think there's a thing right in the editor that lets you add images.
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10:29:59 <clokep> aleth: Did you figure out how to upload images?
10:38:49 <aleth> No, I went to bed instead ;)
10:40:45 <clokep> aleth: But now you've woken up. :)
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12:33:07 <clokep_work> wnayes: I'm surprised that you need a prplIConversation object, I woudl have expected only a imIConversation object.
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12:38:06 * clokep_work doesn't really feel like finishing the status update he started... :-/
12:40:53 <aleth> Don't say much, just "string freeze" + "coming soon"?
12:41:42 <clokep_work> Yeah that might be what it is.
12:53:57 <clokep_work> Does anyone know how to read https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/locales-status.html that can tell me which localizations are doneish?
12:57:10 <flo> clokep_work: I know ;)
12:58:13 <flo> cs, de, es, it, nl, sk, sv-SE and uk are ready. et is "acceptable". fr, pl and ru haven't been updated at all for 1.2
12:58:36 <clokep_work> :(
12:58:50 <flo> clokep_work: isn't this what you read on it?
12:59:27 <clokep_work> flo: I never know what level is acceptable and ready.
13:00:56 <flo> if strings are missing, it's neither ready nor acceptable, except for topProtocol.prpl-*.description strings (it's a bug of the script that they show up as missing when the localizer has changed the list of top protocol for the locale).
13:01:31 <flo> and I tend to think strings missing in libpurple prpls, especially prpls that are unlikely to be used in the locale, are acceptable.
13:02:11 <flo> et misses strings but only in novell (who cares?), oscar (is it that useful for Estonians?) and qq (does it even work?)
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13:06:37 <clokep_work> Fair enough.
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13:10:39 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1759 on bug 1530.
13:10:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1530 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Autoscroll subtly broken after moz13 update
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13:13:34 * flo wonders why that 10 magic constant became 20
13:14:27 * aleth wonders if he is even right about the relayout not being triggered by scrollMaxY
13:16:07 <aleth> Oh, I meant to change that back - an alternative explanation would be that maybe 10 is not enough ;)
13:16:27 <aleth> Anyway, since I can't reproduce your issue, I can't do any more there.
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13:16:49 <clokep_work> If it makes you feel any better, MATLAB has a much worse version of that issue. :)
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13:18:20 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org :
13:18:21 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/2012/07/status-update-july-27-2012/ - Status Update: July 27, 2012
13:19:53 <flo> aleth: I can't reproduce either :(.
13:21:45 <aleth> Thanks clokep :)
13:23:13 <flo> clokep++
13:24:28 <clokep_work> I hope that wasn't too short, figured I'd give a shout out to wnayes too. :)
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13:31:32 <flo> I had this error in my error console yesterday evening: Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0xc1f30001 (NS_ERROR_NOT_INITIALIZED) [prplIConvIM.buddy]"  nsresult: "0xc1f30001 (NS_ERROR_NOT_INITIALIZED)"  location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///Applications/Instantbird%20-%20Nightly.app/Contents/MacOS/omni.ja!/components/imConversations.js :: <TOP_LEVEL> :: line 318"  data: no] Source File: jar:file:///Applications/Instantbird%20-%
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13:32:07 <flo> I think it was when putting on hold a conversation with an XMPP contact that wasn't in the buddy list.
13:32:38 <clokep_work> Should be easy enough to test. ;)
13:32:59 <flo> aaaaah, http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/purpleConvIM.cpp#91
13:33:25 <flo> I was looking in xmpp.jsm and jsProtoHelper but couldn't find anything causing NS_ERROR_NOT_INITIALIZED
13:33:49 <flo> I guess that was with a jabber.org account on the nightly (so using libpurple)
13:33:55 <clokep_work> flo: So highlight always confuses me...is the function supposed to return "true" to be highlighted or to be ignored?
13:34:43 <flo> return "true" to be highlighted
13:35:09 <flo> I haven't seen that add-on work in a long while :-S
13:35:22 <clokep_work> Oh really? :(
13:35:39 <flo> it's still enabled in my default profile
13:36:00 <flo> but I suspect "instantbird" has been said more than once in #maildev and/or #frenchmoz and it never got highlighted
13:37:26 * clokep_work wanted to stalk clokep. :-/
13:37:36 * clokep_work is tired of people just saying "clokep" and not being pinged. :P
13:37:55 <flo> clokep_work: you mean you want to force people to type cloke p ?
13:38:16 <clokep_work> flo: I mean I want to force people to type clokep_work. :P
13:38:44 <flo> clokep_work: in my case it would be to stop removing "_work" after the completion completed to clokep_work because you talked recently. ;)
13:38:47 <clokep_work> So seems like JS profiling is available now in a better way? Is it just for webpages?
13:39:04 <clokep_work> I mean it works well if you're trying to /not/ ping me.
13:39:15 <clokep_work> But people in #maildev do it when they want to ping me (wtf client are they using?)
13:39:31 <flo> the completion sucks in Tb ;)
13:39:47 <flo> and that's almost on purpose (/me checked that jb isn't around before saying that)
13:44:29 <clokep_work> I doubt most of them are using Tb actually. :(
13:44:51 <aleth> Chatzilla still seems quite popular @mozilla.
13:44:54 <flo> it's easy to know ;)
13:47:08 <clokep_work> I keep meaning to write a script to query everyone in the room (slowly)...
13:47:26 <clokep_work> And output a table or something.
13:59:19 <flo> just the username before the hostname can be interesting ;)
13:59:48 <flo> we receive it without querying anything, right?
14:00:07 <flo> I would like an icon in the nick list for people using Instantbird
14:00:13 <clokep_work> The username? Yes, you get it when people join.
14:00:16 <flo> *Instantbir ;)
14:00:27 <flo> don't you also get it when receiving the list of nicks? :-/
14:00:41 <clokep_work> Hmm....that might just be nicks, not full hostnames.
14:00:47 <flo> that's sad :(
14:01:04 <flo> and don't we also get it when someone is talking?
14:01:11 <flo> having the icon only for active nicks could be good enough
14:01:26 <clokep_work> Yes, 353 (RPL_NAMREPLY) just sends nicks.
14:01:36 <clokep_work> Yes, we'd get it for people when they talk.
14:02:02 <clokep_work> Doing it in a lazy way (when people join OR when people talk) would be easy enough, I think.
14:02:21 <flo> and it would be impossible to notice that we are stalking ;)
14:03:05 <clokep_work> So you would want https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/display-mail-user-agent/ for IRC? :)
14:03:30 <clokep_work> Mibbit shows the country flag too which is kind of interesting.
14:03:40 <clokep_work> (Via reverse IP lookup I assume, so it's really where your ISP is, but close enough...)
14:04:10 <flo> so does it look like that profiler would work with Ib?
14:04:30 <flo> I would really really like to know how the CPU is used when spending more than a minute restoring a very large conversation on hold.
14:05:38 <flo> clokep_work: "country" is rather large; the hostname often gives a more detailed information by just looking at which ISP is used ;).
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14:06:37 <clokep_work> flo: Fair enough. :) I'd mostly just like to know people's timezone's honestly.
14:06:54 <clokep_work> flo: http://benoitgirard.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/javascript-profiling-with-the-gecko-profiler-and-js-anti-pattern/ was the article I read.
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14:07:01 <clokep_work> It talks about profiling websites though?
14:07:24 <flo> it talks about profiling "whatever Firefox spends time on"
14:07:32 <flo> both JS (chrome and content) and C++
14:07:50 <flo> having both JS and C++ in the same profiler stack is very cool
14:07:51 <instantbot> c++ sucks
14:08:21 <flo> the best info I've found for now is https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Performance/Profiling_with_the_Built-in_Profiler
14:08:37 <flo> "Introduced in Gecko 16.0" thought
14:08:39 <flo> *though
14:09:43 <clokep_work> Guess we need to update. ;)
14:11:09 <flo> I was afraid the profiler was registering stacks and then using the crash stats infrastructure to decode them, but apparently not, so there's some hope it would work for us :)
14:11:48 <clokep_work> :)
14:12:39 * flo should try before the mozcamp
14:13:01 <flo> in order to ask questions to the authors there if I can't get it to work myself ;).
14:17:19 <clokep_work> flo: How difficult would it be to hack the participants binding to add that info for IRC?
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14:20:14 <flo> hacky and probably easy
14:20:24 <flo> (for an add-on)
14:21:04 <flo> You would make a new binding inheriting from the existing one, and put a css to apply it, with a !important if needed
14:21:07 <clokep_work> "hacky"? I've never found a good way to replace a binding I guess.
14:21:16 <flo> really?
14:21:23 <flo> just a css rule with !important does it
14:21:29 <flo> and without !important if you are lucky
14:24:04 <clokep_work> Hmm...right, I guess my question was if I can do it for only IRC stuff...
14:24:20 <flo> does it matter?
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14:24:53 <flo> if your code doesn't do anything if you don't add an attribute specifying which client to use, you don't care if your rule applies for XMPP and twitter too
14:25:48 <flo> hmm, can I make Tb display a large conversation and play with the profiler in Tb? :)
14:27:02 <clokep_work> Right...well what add the attribute in this case anyway though?  Wouldn't the binding itself need to know?
14:28:06 <flo> maybe. Maybe not.
14:28:10 <flo> depends how you write your code :)
14:28:38 <flo> you could also try to just add attributes to the normal nicklist nodes, and use these attributes in CSS without changing the binding
14:29:05 <flo> for example, what about adding the instantbird logo as a right-aligned no-repeat background? :)
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14:30:48 <clokep_work> That could work. :)
14:32:40 <clokep_work> I had actually (at one point) attempted to inherit the conversation binding to play w/ it and see if I could add some IRC features to it...but I didn't know hwo to override it /only/ for IRC.
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14:33:21 <flo> which features did you want?
14:33:39 <clokep_work> I wasn't sure exactly, I was just trying to get the binding to work. :-D
14:35:25 <flo> my debug Tb build isn't built with --enable-profiling :-/
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14:37:53 <clokep_work> The "features" I wanted were mostly stuff for op/hops.
14:37:56 <clokep_work> Like bug 597.
14:37:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=597 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, UI to change user mode (as op) for IRC
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14:42:23 <flo> that's just a context menu for the participant list, right?
14:44:55 <clokep_work> Mic had some better ideas for it.
14:52:09 <wnayes> clokep_work: I don't think the logger wants imIConversations. Isn't a prplConversation the most basic of all the different interfaces (prplIMConv, prplIMChat, imIConversation, etc.)?
14:52:29 <clokep_work> wnayes: prplIConversation is what is implemented by protocols.
14:52:44 <clokep_work> I'm not sure exactly what you're doing with it, maybe that is what you need. :)
14:53:06 <clokep_work> So "most basic" in that it's the "low level that deals with the protocol", yes.
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14:55:00 <flo> clokep_work: the logger only deals with prplIConvs
14:55:27 <flo> clokep_work: the imIConvs merge the prplIConvs from different buddies of the contact. For logging purpose, we want a log for each low-level (ie. prpl level) conversation
14:55:29 * Mic just tried to use ctrl+shift+tab again :(
14:56:00 <flo> Mic: and what's wrong with it?
14:56:01 <clokep_work> Ah, OK. That makes sense flo. Ignore me then wnayes. :-D
14:56:10 <flo> Mic: isn't that to change the selected tab?
14:56:13 <clokep_work> flo: It doesn't work. :P
14:56:20 <clokep_work> Oh wait...
14:56:25 <Mic> Ah, sorry.
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14:56:29 <clokep_work> I think he means Ctrl+Shift+T.
14:56:34 <Mic> I meant to say ctrl+shift+t of course
14:56:58 <flo> what is it supposed to do?
14:57:08 <Mic> Undo "tab close"
14:57:39 <flo> ah :-|
14:57:57 <flo> Mic: well, I never close a tab, only press escape, so it's easy to reopen a "closed" tab ;)
14:58:11 <Mic> That counts as closed tab for me.
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14:58:46 <flo> I think I'll resolve bug 1525 as dupe of bug 1609
14:58:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, A roster item with subscription=none appears as online in contact list
14:58:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1609 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, <presence type="subscribe"/> stanzas are ignored when the JID is already in the roster
14:59:21 <flo> I'm sure the (annoying) contact for whom I was seeing that bug had a pending subscription request
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15:01:09 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1760 on bug 1609.
15:01:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1609 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, <presence type="subscribe"/> stanzas are ignored when the JID is already in the roster
15:02:44 <flo> uh, the reason for the failure of the mac nightly looks like it needs some attention :(
15:02:57 <flo> "scp: /www/anonymous/nightly/2012/07/2012-07-27-04-instantbird//instantbird-1.2a1pre.en-US.mac.complete.mar: No space left on device"
15:03:15 <clokep_work> Oh, just run: rm -rf /
15:03:15 <clokep_work> :p
15:03:26 <flo> clokep_work: that wouldn't even fix the issue
15:03:38 <flo>  /www/anonymous/nightly is a separate disk :-P
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15:10:49 <clokep_work> flo: Do we not need to call onPresenceStanza at all if we get a subscribe message?
15:11:10 <flo> why? :)
15:11:44 <clokep_work> To update the presence info in the blist?
15:15:35 <flo> which presence?
15:15:48 <Mic> Seem that I've got too much time: http://i.qkme.me/3q93pa.jpg
15:15:53 <flo> <presence type="subsribe"> is a request for a presence subscription
15:16:00 <flo> it doesn't indicate at all that the contact is online
15:16:24 <flo> it's actually bug 1525
15:16:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, A roster item with subscription=none appears as online in contact list
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15:20:07 <flo> Mic: yes, it seems
15:20:20 <flo> Mic: but if you are really bored, mind reviewing that patch? ;-)
15:20:52 <aleth> Mic: Accept all the patches!
15:21:15 <flo> aleth: that may be risky if you don't filter by author ;)
15:22:26 <flo> what really confuses me is these tests: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp.jsm#408
15:23:02 <flo> I think we could avoid entering that buddy.onPresenceStanza method for them too.
15:24:09 <flo> and just ignore these stanzas, as believe if we care about them, the information we care about is also given in a roster push
15:25:45 <flo> (handled at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp.jsm#714)
15:26:06 <flo> I've no idea what line 715 is supposed to do, but I suspect it doesn't do anything currently :-S
15:26:32 <aleth> I was just going to ask that :-/
15:27:01 <flo> I also suspect aleth would r+ a patch to remove that line ;)
15:27:01 <aleth> There is no way to have a buddy which is unsubscribed, in which case you would need line 408ff? (eg if a subscription request is denied)
15:27:29 <flo> aleth: I don't understand your question
15:27:29 <aleth> I was thinking more whether there is some missing code there that someone had intended to add ;)
15:27:56 <flo> it's possible to receive these <presence type="unsubscribe(d)"> stanzas. What I'm saying is we don't do anything useful with them
15:28:23 <aleth> flo: It probably doesn't make sense then, as I don't really understand the subscription system
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15:36:17 <flo> aleth: an alternative version, that removes the code that confuses me: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/53643
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15:40:33 <aleth> flo: Looks cleaner, but that doesn't mean much, as I don't know the XMPP code...
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15:44:52 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1525 to DUPLICATE of bug 1609.
15:44:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, A roster item with subscription=none appears as online in contact list
15:44:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1609 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, <presence type="subscribe"/> stanzas are ignored when the JID is already in the roster
15:47:34 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1761 on bug 1609.
15:47:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1609 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, <presence type="subscribe"/> stanzas are ignored when the JID is already in the roster
15:49:03 <FeuerFliege> rasum1984 tweeted something about instantbird and links to a site which tries to spread malware :(
15:49:22 <flo> FeuerFliege: I didn't click that link, I don't think it's a real user
15:49:41 <FeuerFliege> :)
15:51:51 <FeuerFliege> Click all the links!
15:52:01 <FeuerFliege> This function in website looks bogus: eval(function(p,a,c,k,e,r){e=function(c){return(c< a?'':e(parseInt(c/a)))+((c=c%a)>35?String.fromCharCode…
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15:57:54 <clokep_work> Bleh my tunnel got killed. :(
16:00:54 <flo> I have a temporary folder on my server with 4620343 files!
16:01:17 <flo> just running this took a looooong time: ls |wc -l
16:02:19 <flo> the fun thing in such a folder is that rm * doesn't work :)
16:02:30 <flo> the shell is unhappy because of "too many arguments"
16:02:39 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1761 on bug 1609.
16:02:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1609 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, <presence type="subscribe"/> stanzas are ignored when the JID is already in the roster
16:04:10 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 1760 on bug 1609.
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17:03:01 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from the wind for attachment 1762 on bug 1568.
17:03:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, JS-XMPP doesn't handle message type="error" stanza, and instead displays the messages again in the c
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17:07:34 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1762 on bug 1568.
17:07:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, JS-XMPP doesn't handle message type="error" stanza, and instead displays the messages again in the c
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17:23:26 <flo> clokep_work: I hesitate between looking for a way to test that patch, or just checking it in now
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17:28:27 <clokep_work> flo: It seems fairly reasonable to just check it in. Does that need a "better" string once we're not string frozen?
17:29:00 <flo> clokep_work: I thought we would want to include the returned message
17:29:24 <flo> so that it's possible to see which message(s) ha(s|ve)n't been delivered
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17:30:03 <flo> so I thought the string would be "The delivery of this message failed: %S"
17:32:26 <clokep_work> OK. :) File a followup please? :-D
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17:40:37 <flo> making a message invalid is surprisingly difficult :-S
17:42:05 <flo> so if I break the to attribute I receive an error, but the error contains the same broken value in the from attribute, so I don't have an error message directed to the conversation :-S
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18:20:39 <clokep_work> Sounds like an IRC type error. :-D
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21:36:17 <Mic> Hi
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21:55:05 <Mic> wnayes: are you on Twitter?
21:55:24 <wnayes> Mic: I have one, haven't use it yet :)
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21:56:49 <Mic> OK, I'm about to tweet about the status update and wondered if I could include a link to your tweets. Doesn't make much sense then, I think ;)
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