#instantbird log on 07 24 2012

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02:58:29 <instant-buildbot> build #566 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/566
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06:06:47 <instant-buildbot> build #559 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/559
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08:02:27 <Optimizer> setting the nickserv password in the password field of account property will do the indentification done by /msg nickserv identify password ?
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08:46:54 <aleth> Optimizer: Yes, on most servers that will work.
08:47:02 <Optimizer> ok cool
08:47:07 <Optimizer> i want only for irc on mozilla
08:47:23 <aleth> No problem.
08:47:45 <Optimizer> so is it hardcoded ? 
08:47:51 <aleth> Hardcoded?
08:48:16 <Optimizer> as in you know that for irc on mozilla, the format is /msg nickserv identify <password>
08:48:24 <Optimizer> and for others also, you know the format
08:48:27 <aleth> No.
08:48:53 <aleth> It depends on whether the server passes the PASS command on to NickServ, which is a standard thing to do.
08:49:11 <Optimizer> ok
08:49:32 <aleth> I don't know of a server with Nickserv that doesn't, actually.
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09:50:13 <flo> hello :)
09:50:44 <aleth> Hi there :)
09:51:44 <flo> aleth: "I don't know of a server with Nickserv that doesn't, actually." does that mean attempting to detect whether "NickServ" is real and talking to it is wontfix? ;)
09:53:39 <aleth> I'm not sure, I think clokep is still hopeful something can be done. (And he knows far more servers than I do ;) )After all there are more things one might want to do with NickServ than just identify on login
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09:54:58 <flo> the only thing I want to do with nickserv is "not have to know it exists" ;)
09:55:14 <aleth> Yes, but at some point you had to register, for example ;)
09:55:37 <flo> because I had a sucky IRC client ;)
09:56:12 <flo> etherpad.mozilla.org shows me a " Reestablishing connection... " popup every few seconds, it's hard to do anything with a pad :(
09:58:20 <flo> things seem to work correctly on another Firefox profile, and my default Firefox is taking 950+MB of memory, so I guess it's time to restart it :)
09:59:44 <aleth> 950+M after only a few hours is quite a lot...
10:00:23 <flo> that was probably a few weeks ;)
10:00:39 <flo> wait no, it's since the release of Fx 14
10:00:40 <aleth> Then it's probably worth it just for the update ;)
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10:46:19 <aleth> https://twitter.com/flat9th/status/225821840566796290 time to release ;)
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11:38:20 <clokep_work> I'd really like if we could handle registering a nick, yes. But currently we fit into the "sucky IRC client" for that aspect. ;)
11:39:04 <flo> clokep_work: ;)
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11:50:28 <flo> http://img.clubic.com/05320010-photo-thunderbird-15b1.jpg hmm, I wonder if it's still possible to change strings, the French translation of the "Join Chat" button's label means "Join instant messaging" :(
11:51:36 <aleth> Can't the localisers change their strings right up to the release builds?
11:51:54 <flo> I hope so :)
11:52:02 * flo asks in #frenchmoz
11:52:04 <aleth> Looks nice though :) Hadn't seen a TB screenshot for a while
11:52:50 <aleth> Hmm, something is cut off on the textbox highlight border?
11:53:32 <flo> aleth: right
11:59:03 <flo> aleth: it's from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735673 :(
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12:23:38 <flo> when I update hg.instantbird.org/instantbird from comm-central, this is all the things I find that need importing: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/52915
12:23:41 <flo> clokep_work: did you expect more?
12:24:09 <flo> I'll also commit the oauth key patch even though it's not in comm-central yet (it will probably be checked-in today anyway)
12:25:54 <clokep_work> flo: That looks about right (+ the oauth key patch).
12:26:10 <clokep_work> aleth: Has NickSrev stuff been working well for you now?
12:26:59 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes, all fine now :)
12:29:56 <aleth> flo: That's kind of fitting given your comment at the end of that bug...
12:30:44 <flo> my comment that I didn't see the patch before it reached aurora?
12:30:54 <aleth> Yes...
12:31:14 <flo> I think at the time I would have welcomed a good reason to back it out ;)
12:31:27 <aleth> ;)
12:34:43 <flo> clokep_work: should we get rid of http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/app/profile/all-instantbird.js#257 ?
12:34:49 <flo> now that we use force_login
12:35:35 <flo> I still don't see a good reason for us to store cookies
12:44:12 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ee40d34b0354 - Florian Quèze - Bug 735642 - Move the twitter OAuth key to the preferences so that Thunderbird can use a different key, r=clokep.
12:44:13 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/0c376eeefccf - Florian Quèze - Bug 740499 - IM conversations aren't indexed in gloda on the fly, r=asuth, clokep.
12:44:14 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b1dbcce18133 - Florian Quèze - Bug 776528 - Chat tab title not correctly updated after closing a selected conversation. r=clokep.
12:44:15 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3f2495a780f8 - Florian Quèze - Bug 776474 - Make Twitter account setup less fragile. r=clokep.
12:46:46 <clokep_work> flo: I would think we should remove it, but if there's no real reason to...than it seems silly to store them.
12:47:29 <aleth> If you store them, someone will ask for a way to remove them...
12:49:59 <flo> aleth: I filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776884 for the textbox highlight
12:53:44 <flo> 97 changesets since the last ib -> c-c import!
12:55:48 <clokep_work> !!! 97 changesets in chat/ or just total? :)
12:55:53 <flo> total
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12:59:04 <flo> "only" 44 in chat/
13:00:33 <flo> but some are likely already in c-c
13:00:40 <flo> I see I have the MPL2 change in there :)
13:02:40 <flo> 12 changesets in my list have 6 digits bug numbers, so I think I can exclude them :)
13:03:42 <clokep_work> Yeah, that would seem likely. :)
13:07:34 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/52918 this is the list I have now
13:07:47 <flo> Bug 1390 - Update to Mozilla 12. can probably be excluded too
13:07:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1390 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Update to Gecko 12
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13:10:20 <aleth> I would have thought bug 1375 does not affect TB as TB does not use Bubbles?
13:10:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1375 min, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Followup: Unread ruler CSS and Bubbles margin improvements
13:10:54 <aleth> Ah, sorry, the default styling is in chat
13:12:23 <clokep_work> flo: Looks good. :) A few of those have Mozilla bugs on file too I think.
13:13:41 <flo>  28 files changed, 1058 insertions(+), 317 deletions(-) :-S
13:15:45 <flo> I still need to check that things actually apply cleanly on comm central, and then find what would be wanted on aurora/beta
13:19:13 <clokep_work> Well I know a few have string changes so those are no good right off the bat. :)
13:25:27 <flo> removed 2 more changesets that were already in c-c, and now it applies cleanly
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13:28:41 <clokep_work> :) Nice.
13:29:00 * clokep_work waits for the bug to be filed. ;)
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13:51:31 <aleth> clokep_work: I wonder if you could ask BenB from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741536 whether you could use 'his' proxy for testing
13:52:26 <flo> aleth: BenB expects "No HTTP proxy used for IRC." ;)
13:52:50 <aleth> flo: He may expect it, but it still means he has one ;)
13:53:06 <aleth> (Well, maybe...)
13:53:12 <flo> downloading ubuntu and setting up apache with mod_proxy on it may be faster ;)
13:53:35 * flo should have a 100Mbps internet connection at home tomorrow
13:53:40 <aleth> :)
13:54:17 <flo> only 5Mbps for the upload though :-/
13:55:14 <clokep_work> Nice. :) I have 25/15 I think.
13:55:28 * clokep_work wishes fiber was available in his building...
13:55:29 <flo> clokep_work: I currently use my 3G phone when I'm at home :-]
13:55:47 <flo> what's 25/15 if you don't have fiber?
13:55:59 <flo> seems very fast for a standard DSL line :-S
13:56:59 <clokep_work> It's Cable, not DSL.
13:57:46 <aleth> You can get faster cable connections though (in principle)
13:58:44 <clokep_work> Yeah, they have a 75 or 100 Gbps plan, but it's super expensive. The same for fiber is reasonably priced.
13:59:01 <aleth> Oh, bad luck.
14:01:21 <flo> 100 *G*bps?
14:03:05 <flo> so now I need to decide what we want to have in Tb15. Anybody willing to help? https://etherpad.mozilla.org/cc-chat-update
14:03:39 <clokep_work> Oops, typo. :)
14:03:54 <clokep_work> Mbps (they have up to 300 though...)
14:13:29 <flo> aleth: I think removing a string is still considered as breaking the string freeze
14:13:47 <flo> if you want to be sure you can ask in #l10n, but I don't think removing whowas is worth thinking about it too much :)
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14:17:27 <clokep_work> flo: I'm guessing we shouldn't add tests onto c-a, c-b does that sound reasonable?
14:18:02 <flo> sounds reasonable yes, I think we should only include things that fix bugs or polish the user-visible behavior
14:21:13 <flo> aleth: "see also https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=1659 for c-c - is this needed?" :(
14:21:23 <flo> if we include it for ib it would break the 1.2 string freeze
14:21:35 <flo> and if we include it for Tb but not ib, it gets messy :(
14:25:06 <flo> aleth, clokep_work: seems we are done, thank you very much for the help! :)
14:25:22 <clokep_work> flo: You're welcome. :)
14:26:08 <flo> now I need to see if this can apply cleanly to comm-aurora ;)
14:31:25 <clokep_work> Yeah, hopefully we didn't say to commit anything that depends on bugs we didn't...
14:31:45 <flo> I'll see that ;)
14:34:31 <flo> bug 1310 doesn't apply
14:34:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1310 min, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Do not log channel keys when sending the JOIN command
14:36:20 <aleth> Ah, I see chatRoomFieldsList in the context, that implies bug 385. Sorry.
14:36:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385 enh, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Rejoin IRC channels after reconnect
14:36:27 <flo> it depends on bug 385
14:36:37 <flo> 385 has strings?
14:37:03 <aleth> A string change without changing the ID.
14:37:12 <aleth> Hence the follow-up...
14:37:43 <flo> :-(
14:37:47 <aleth> yeah...
14:38:48 <clokep_work> That bug isn't really user visible anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
14:41:01 <flo> the password logging thing?
14:41:03 <flo> I fixed the diff
14:41:22 <flo> the last thing that makes hg import complain is bug 1538
14:41:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1538 min, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Don't reset nick at reconnect if the last nick change was user initiated
14:41:28 <flo> the last 2 hunks apply with fuzz
14:41:52 <flo> but these 2 hunks are just a _originalNickname -> _requestedNickname rename, so I don't think anything could go wrong there :)
14:47:11 <clokep_work> Nice. :)
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15:50:51 <clokep_work> What is the "Stop updates from 1.1 to 1.2 bug" What needs to be done for that?
15:52:30 <flo> probably changing the update script on the server
15:52:39 <flo> I'm not sure it's in a mercurial repository anywhere (I don't know)
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16:10:55 <clokep_work> Alright. Well...it's available maybe I can look at it, but if not...
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16:42:53 <clokep_work> wnayes: So does it look like you'll be able to actually get good info from these logs?
16:44:30 <wnayes> clokep_work: I think so. I'm idling in a few popular channels to collect some samples :)
16:46:42 <wnayes> I was thinking about regular expressions to parse line by line.
16:47:06 <wnayes> Not sure if there would be a speed concern with that though.
16:50:29 <clokep_work> Regular expressions are probably appropriate for some files, are they all line based or do some use like crazy XML formats?
16:50:37 <clokep_work> (Feel free to pastebin a sample? :-D)
16:53:05 <wnayes> mIRC is all line based, http://pastebin.instantbird.com/52947
16:55:48 <clokep_work> The annoying ones will be the system messages...
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17:00:09 <flo> what's the 03 and 02 before the timestamp at the beginning of the lines?
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17:01:21 <flo> wnayes: have you looked at libpurple logs already?
17:01:30 <wnayes> I'm not sure, there's a strange character before those as well (says [ETX] in some editors, otherwise looks like a sideways L)
17:02:05 <flo> wnayes: from what I remember, the annoying thing in them is that there's no way to know if a new line is the next line of a message or a new message. Especially when the user copy/pasted some messages of the conversations and each line of the message has a timestamp at the begining of it
17:02:23 <wnayes> flo: Not as much, I thought I would try mIRC first as you mention purple logs would be challenging :)
17:02:27 <clokep_work> wnayes, flo: The 02 looks like it's only for Quits?
17:02:33 <clokep_work> 03 seems to be used for other system messages.
17:03:43 <flo> I have old trillian logs that are very challenging too
17:03:45 <clokep_work> ETX == "End of text" and probably refers to the end of the line before?
17:03:59 <clokep_work> Actually \x03 is ETX and \x02 is STX (start of text).
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17:08:10 <wnayes> Ah, new Date() can conveniently parse the dates of the "Session Start/Close" lines. :)
17:10:52 <clokep_work> Yes, Date() is fairly handy, until yo uwant to display things in a different timezone. ;)
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22:00:59 <clokep_linux> Bleh new hard driveon it's way from Lenovo...
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22:32:04 <flo> I think I prefer working with memory leaks than with water leaks.
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22:35:51 <aleth> Hopefully nothing serious?
22:38:17 <flo> nothing serious :)
22:39:42 <flo> I assembled the shower cabin and tried it and... there was water everywhere in the room :-D
22:41:45 <flo> there was a slit in one of the water inlet pipes
22:42:23 <flo> but the pipe was long enough that I could cut the last 5cm and plug it back in :)
22:44:33 <flo> the nice thing with memory leaks is that once it's fixed, the only thing you have to do to clean up the mess is restart the application ;).
22:44:50 <flo> with a water leak you still have water everywhere
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23:00:12 <aleth> Rebooting takes a little longer :-S
23:00:28 <aleth> Good to hear it is fixed now :)
23:00:40 <clokep_linux> Ah...plumbing fun.  
23:00:40 <aleth> flo: Can you add 562169 and 548206 to the IB tracking bug dependencies please? I don't have editbugs on bmo
23:01:05 * clokep_linux will do it.
23:03:20 <clokep_linux> Bah the prefs on here do NOT much my Windows machine...
23:04:20 <clokep_linux> Well once wemerge bugzillas it shouldn'tbe an issue...
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23:24:32 * flo wonders if aleth as enough BMO contributions to request editbugs from Gerv
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23:25:36 <aleth> Not that many BMO contributions, but quite a few /chat patches, so I don't know how that works out...
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23:43:05 <flo> aleth: chat patches that were attached to BMO bugs directly?
23:43:11 <flo> if so it's more than enough :)
23:44:31 <flo> but only fixed BMO bug I see assigned to you is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753691, and the patch wasn't there, it was in BIO first
23:44:34 <flo> anyway, good night
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23:46:01 <aleth> No, the patches were all on BIO
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23:49:20 <clokep_linux> aleth: Just file bugs on BMO if they're chat/ related? :-D
23:49:51 <aleth> I don't want editbugs enough to file lots of dupes of BIO bugs ;)
23:53:55 <clokep_linux> Where dd I saydupes?:P
23:55:09 <aleth> I was just thinking it would be even more effective to file dupes of bugs I had already fixed and assigning them to me ;)
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