#instantbird log on 07 23 2012

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03:06:09 <instant-buildbot> build #565 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/565
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08:45:37 <Keso> hi
08:45:58 <aleth> Hi
08:46:43 <Keso> do you know when next release is planned ?
08:47:19 <aleth> In 1-2 weeks or so
08:47:54 <Keso> ah I hope, I'm missing one feature on win xp (setting status by clicking on icon in system tray) which should be there
08:48:13 <aleth> Yes, that's in 1.2 :)\
08:50:15 <aleth> You can try the latest nightly if you don't want to wait...
08:51:11 <Keso> I had some issues with proxy settings last time when I tried nightly
08:51:38 <aleth> OK. I don't know exactly what the status is there.
08:52:15 <Keso> I switched from pidgin to instantbird because it's easier to turn on/off proxies for all accounts (basically, you can switch off/on on one place, not like in pidgin you have setup proxy for every account separatelly)
08:52:48 <aleth> When did you last try a nightly?
08:53:57 <aleth> Apart from an issue with HTTP proxies, I think it should be OK.
08:54:34 <Keso> I'm using HTTP proxy
08:54:43 <Keso> well it was few months ago
08:54:53 <aleth> Ah :D Bug 1347 is still on the list for 1.2
08:54:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1347 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, socket.jsm based protocols shouldn't attempt to use HTTP proxies
08:55:18 <aleth> So yeah, hopefully it will be fixed for 1.2
08:57:29 <Keso> well I submitted this one
08:57:54 <aleth> Then you will get email when it is fixed :) 
08:58:02 <Keso> for example I'm using http proxy for this irc communication
08:58:43 <aleth> From what I can tell, clokep has figured out how to fix it.
08:58:57 <Keso> aleth: ok I have to wait
09:08:07 <Keso> aleth: btw is it possible to rearange groups?
09:08:23 <Keso> because now IB put them in alphabetal order
09:09:07 <aleth> Good question. You can sort the contacts differently with 1.2, but I don't know if that affects tags.
09:11:04 <Keso> Because most frequent TAG groups I'd like to have on top and rest on bottom
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09:12:19 <aleth> We support sort-by-usage-frequency yet because we don't collect such data at the moment
09:12:28 <aleth> You could file a bug with an enhancement request ;)
09:12:47 <aleth> Or an add-on could do it...
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09:24:41 <Mic> Oh, we have *lots* of different wanted tags on our whiteboard...
09:25:43 <Mic> wanted, 0.2-, 1.2-, 1.3-wanted. Even 2.0-wanted is there.
09:26:36 <aleth> 2.0-wanted?
09:27:04 <Mic> Yes, it's about removing plaintext passwords.
09:27:18 <aleth> Hmm, maybe that should be 1.3?
09:27:32 <Mic> This one's also on the whiteboard of the bug ;)
09:27:58 <Mic> Bug 1244
09:28:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1244 nor, --, 1.2, nobody, NEW, Remove plain text passwords from preferences
09:28:18 <Keso> aleth: this is just simple, not sort by alphabed but by user definition
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10:13:08 <clokep> I think different options of ways to sort groups will not be added, but it should be possible via an extension, if it's not then things in the core should be fixed so it is.
10:13:15 <clokep> And I have no plan for the HTTP password bug.
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10:22:59 <clokep> FYI the bug problem w/ that proxy bug is we don't have any way to test things, I believe.
10:38:28 <flo> Keso said he's actually using an HTTP proxy for IRC?
10:38:35 <flo> Does Pidgin support that? :-S
10:38:50 <clokep> According to EionRobb, yes.
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11:49:49 <flo> I see "Component returned failure code: 0x804b0010 (NS_ERROR_OFFLINE) [nsISocketTransportService.createTransport]" errors from socket.jsm in my tb debug build
11:49:55 <flo> does that still happen on Ib?
11:50:03 <flo> I thought we fixed that
11:50:09 <flo> I may need to open another sync chat/ bug :-S
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11:58:25 <clokep_work> I thought we fixed that too, but I don't know if that was synced or not.
11:58:35 * clokep_work keeps crashing when he brings his computer back from sleep. :-/
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11:59:04 <flo> that sounds bad
11:59:10 <flo> is the crash report "interesting"?
12:00:13 <clokep_work> It wasn't last time I did it.
12:00:20 <clokep_work> Let me find it...
12:02:56 <clokep_work> Looks like there's a few different stacks: http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/060c151a-ff85-45c8-b688-261482120723 http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/55128892-c4ac-4725-8498-a3ee12120721 and http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/731420d2-6347-433e-8c11-5d05c2120721
12:03:58 <flo> :-/
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12:21:12 <flo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776474 hmm. Is it a cookies issue, or should we accept twitter usernames that don't have the correct case?
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12:23:07 <clokep_work> flo: Isn't Twitter case insensitive? We should accept any case then. (It's what we do for other protocols, i.e. AIM is case-insensitive but I can type my name however I want).
12:23:43 <flo> I don't remember well
12:24:05 <clokep_work> (I'm fairly certain it is)
12:24:05 <flo> I think it's case insensitive for what you can type in the oauth dialog, but maybe not for the parameters we need to enter for some oauth code
12:24:29 <clokep_work> Ah, that might be true. I don't suppose we get the case sensitive version at all.
12:24:54 <flo> I think twitter.com returns us the correctly cased version at the end of the authentication
12:25:27 <flo> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/twitter/twitter.js#679 bah...
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12:25:53 <flo> we use tweet.screen_name == this.name as the way to know if a tweet is outgoing :-/
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12:26:38 <clokep_work> We could normalize it first with toLowerCase?
12:26:52 <flo> so we could normalize it for each comparison
12:27:00 <flo> the twitter normalize is just a toLowerCase
12:27:19 <flo> or we could use what the server returned for comparing purposes
12:27:35 <flo> it's saved in http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/twitter/twitter.js#858
12:28:40 <flo> can we set this._account.name to the correctly cased version, instead of throwing?
12:29:20 <flo> is it going to cause headaches to have the prplAccount's name not strictly equal to what's stored in the account manager?
12:29:56 <clokep_work> I think it's plausible to set it that way. AFAIK It wouldn't cause headaches, but I don't know for sure.
12:30:19 <flo> hmm, name is part of imIAccount: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/public/imIAccount.idl#186 not prplIAccount
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12:30:54 <flo> bah... http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/modules/jsProtoHelper.jsm#91
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14:50:10 <PsyCoil> Why does Instantbird only use one theme for Windows border? The windows border doesn't actually change per theme, why?
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14:52:01 <clokep_work> PsyCoil: Why do you assume whatever you're talking about is on purpose?
14:52:08 <clokep_work> And my Instantbird takes the Window's theme.
14:52:14 <clokep_work> What version of Windows are you running?
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14:52:53 <PsyCoil> Mhm. I did not assume It was on purpose, I see now It sounded like it. I'm using Windows Seven
14:53:07 <clokep_work> It WFM on Windows 7.
14:55:02 <PsyCoil> What's WFM? I mean, the close minimize maximize buttons do change per theme. But the Windows border itself remains Aero
14:55:20 <clokep_work> "works for me"
14:56:02 <PsyCoil> Probably only with the default themes of Seven, though...
14:58:03 <clokep_work> "Windows border itself remains Aero" We don't do anything with the window border.
14:58:06 <clokep_work> Does it work in Firefox?
14:58:20 <PsyCoil> The weird thing, some Windows Borders in Instantbird do change, like the Add-ons Manager
14:58:44 <clokep_work> Can you post a screenshot? The borders DO change for me when I change the color.
14:58:49 <PsyCoil> Or Error Console 
14:58:51 <PsyCoil> Mhmm...
14:58:54 <PsyCoil> Yeah.
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15:02:30 <PsyCoil> Damn. My network is failing.
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15:14:18 <PsyCoil> Alright. Thank you Network for failing on me once again. 
15:14:18 <PsyCoil> Here's the image: http://s10.postimage.org/s5ojnxkjt/Untitled.jpg
15:14:18 <PsyCoil> Error Console border and Add-on manager did change correctly, conversation windows and Main Windows (Contact list) did not.
15:18:09 <wnayes> Could they be different types of dialog windows that the themes you are using skin in an unusual manner?
15:19:36 <flo> maybe a background-color on the window in some cases, and only in the content on other cases
15:19:54 <flo> would be interesting to play with DOM Inspector to figure out what's different
15:20:23 <PsyCoil> Do I need to file a bug on this?
15:20:57 <wnayes> Sometimes when I changes themes a few programs do not change correctly and immediately either, especially when running already.
15:21:09 <flo> if you can reproduce it after a restart of Instantbird, and think it should be fixed, then yes :)
15:24:09 <PsyCoil> Firefox does change too, I'm only having this problem with Instantbird... I said Instantbird only uses Aero border because: omni.jar\chrome\instantbird\skin\classic\aero\instantbird
15:24:29 <clokep_work> That doesn't really have to do with the window border.
15:24:42 <clokep_work> It's just the theme that's used on Windows 7  (and maybe Vista?)
15:25:06 <clokep_work> (At least as far as I know. :))
15:25:23 <flo> vista too, yes
15:26:14 <PsyCoil> Mhmm... If you say so :P
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15:28:54 <PsyCoil> Alright then... I'll file one on this. What's DOM Inspector?
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15:32:22 <flo> PsyCoil: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/210
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15:43:56 <flo> clokep_work: do you remember the name of the parameter we need to add to twitter OAuth requests to ignore cookies?
15:46:15 <clokep_work> flo: no. :(
15:46:41 <flo> cookies aren't disabled for Tb, right? ;)
15:47:02 <clokep_work> Nope. :)
15:49:36 <PsyCoil> The amount of time It takes Firefox to open Google webpage tells me my Network will fail again soon. :|
15:49:45 <flo> https://dev.twitter.com/docs/api/1/get/oauth/authenticate force_login? :)
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16:13:48 <clokep_work> What's that do?
16:13:51 <flo> clokep_work: this is what I have to improve the situation with twitter logins: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1712284
16:16:50 <clokep_work> "Forces the user to enter their credentials to ensure the correct users account is authorized." == "Don't use cookies."?
16:16:58 <flo> exactly
16:17:05 * clokep_work wonders if we should also use the screen_name parameter.
16:17:47 <flo> obviously!
16:17:50 <flo> I didn't read that part of the doc
16:18:07 <clokep_work> :)
16:18:19 <flo> hmm, do I need to url encode it?
16:18:26 <clokep_work> Please add a comment above the request about what force_login does as I don't think that is obvious.
16:18:33 <clokep_work> Aren't Twitter user names ASCII?
16:19:39 <flo> Letters, numbers, and underscores only
16:19:42 <flo> ok :)
16:22:57 <clokep_work> Yeah, Twitter names are luckily simple. :)
16:30:30 <wnayes> I'm looking into how to go about working with logger.js to write the imported logs, not quite sure where to begin.
16:30:52 <wnayes> I'm not sure if I can feed a conversation into ConversationLog without actually spawning a conversation in the UI.
16:31:43 <flo> https://twitter.com/mat2057/status/227433749657296896 :-D (translation: "And so Thunderbird beta uses Instantbird as user agent for Twitter")
16:33:05 <flo> wnayes: I think you will need to change some API to make the logger suck less ;)
16:33:38 <flo> clokep_work: I'm trying to find a correct new summary for bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776474 to pretend that my patch fixes it
16:33:51 <flo> I couldn't understand if that bug was about the case or about using the cookie :-S
16:34:04 <flo> what about "Make twitter account set-up less error-prone"?
16:34:29 <clokep_work> "less fragile"?
16:34:48 <clokep_work> But something like that makes sense.
16:34:54 <clokep_work> And a discussion of what's being fixed.
16:35:08 <flo> I'll list the changes in the comments of course :)
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16:41:33 <clokep_work> That sounds fine then! :)
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16:42:11 <wnayes> flo: There are a few ways to change the API that would probably work for my purposes, but I'm not sure which would make the most sense for the logger (especially if you are making changes for thunderbird soon)
16:42:41 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1605 filed by r5r4yster@gmail.com.
16:42:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1605 min, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Instantbird windows do no change with Windows theme
16:43:10 <flo> wnayes: I'm not making changes for Thunderbird.
16:43:45 <flo> wnayes: the only changes I made for Thunderbird that needs to be merged back in Instantbird are in this patch: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=642141&action=diff
16:44:50 <wnayes> Ok, that's what I was thinking of.
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16:52:21 * clokep_work WONTFIXes that bug just because the user is trying to make Windows look like a Mac. ;)
16:53:54 <aleth> Mac windows above a Windows flag? is that to compensate? ;)
16:55:19 <wnayes> flo: I would like to improve the API, but I feel if I try to do that myself I'll end up only changing enough to make the importing work and not address the issues :)
16:55:56 <flo> wnayes: i think that's what everybody has always done to that poor API ;)
16:56:04 <aleth> wnayes: It may be worth asking Mic whether he has any suggestions as he is also touching the logger ing bug 958
16:56:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Show last messages (history) in new chat windows
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17:22:29 <wnayes> Hmm, I'm not sure what I should focus on then (the logger API or writing importer logic without the actual log writing)
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17:26:53 <flo> wnayes: what would feel right to you? :)
17:29:25 <wnayes> I guess I had anticipated the changes to the logger would be minimal and I could keep working on the importers themselves.
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17:31:24 <wnayes> But it wouldn't make sense to write importer code on the logger API if it will be changed in the near future.
17:32:06 <flo> it will be changed in the near future if you change it ;)
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17:43:52 <wnayes> This feels like a "chicken or the egg" situation, I'm not sure which should come first :). I would want to work on whatever is more important to Instantbird, but I'm not sure I understand the current issues with the logger API to make a large-scale change.
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17:45:43 <flo> wnayes: don't attempt to make a large scale change
17:45:49 <flo> just let it do what you need
17:46:29 <flo> if something you are changed seriously conflict with something Tb users or something we plan to do in the future, we will tell you :)
17:46:33 <flo> *are changing
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17:58:08 <wnayes> flo: Ok. It really looks like all I would need is a simplified ConversationLog to write the messages I find. It's tempting to just write my own code to produce the log files, as the logger interface doesn't expose much internally.
17:58:22 <wnayes> Or maybe I could add an observation to the logger.
17:59:04 <flo> what do you need to add to be able to feed a conversation of your own into the logger?
17:59:21 <flo> I think you need need to add some API for the logger to log/write a conversation
17:59:48 <flo> and change the current logger code so that the global notifications (new-conversation, new-text, ...) are only used to call that new API, instead of directly calling the logging code
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18:13:06 <clokep_work> wnayes: "It's tempting to just write my own code to produce the log files, as the logger interface doesn't expose much internally." I don't think that's an acceptable solution.
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18:41:22 <wnayes> clokep_work: I don't think so either, I'm having a go at changes to the API here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/logger-api-changes
18:41:42 <clokep_work> Ah, with a fancy name this time! :)
18:44:46 <aleth> clokep_work: Would this help with the proxy testing? https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy/
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18:45:28 <clokep_work> aleth: If I had node.js installed. :P
18:45:50 <aleth> Is that difficult?
18:46:30 <clokep_work> It also doesn't say it allows arbitrary connections through (it specifically lists HTTP/HTTPS/WebSocket and Secure WebSocket).
18:47:04 <aleth> Yes, I thought it listed the ones in question. No idea how much work setting it and node up would be though.
18:47:18 <clokep_work> "the ones in question"?
18:47:38 <clokep_work> The question we have is of sending an arbitrary protocol via an HTTP proxy.
18:47:40 <aleth> The bug mentioned this morning is about http proxies only.
18:48:13 <clokep_work> Yes, but not all HTTP proxies allow arbitrary connections through them.
18:48:25 <clokep_work> wnayes: There's not really questions in there yet right?
18:48:31 <aleth> Oh, I see, this is for HTTP /content/
18:49:17 <clokep_work> "this" being thel ink you sent? Yes, I think so.
18:49:40 <wnayes> clokep_work: Not yet, but hopefully I'm on the right track. :)
19:04:10 <clokep_work> Great. And yeah, if stuff is documented poorly, please feel free to add comments.
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19:46:42 <flo> clokep_work: happy bugspam afternoon/evening ;).
19:50:21 <clokep_work> flo: Thanks so much.
19:52:06 <wnayes> flo: Are the logger changes I posted the kind of abstraction you were thinking?
19:52:26 <flo> wnayes: I haven't read yet
19:52:47 <flo> I'm trying to survive through the flood of bugmail from bwinton and mconley ;)
19:53:03 <wnayes> OK, I saw you in the pad so I wasn't sure :)
19:53:31 <flo> I just opened the link in a tab so that I don't forget to go read there :)
19:56:25 <clokep_work> flo: So you mean you're reading bwinton's same message over and over again? :P
19:56:38 <flo> clokep_work: there's a variation
19:56:52 <flo> in one bug he said he doesn't think we need it, but it's cleaner to take it
19:57:23 <flo> clokep_work: but actually, I mark <flag name> granted emails as read only when the check-in has been done
19:57:30 <flo> and I'm trying to identify what hasn't been checked-in by Mike
19:58:15 <clokep_work> Makes sense. :)
19:58:21 <clokep_work> I do that w/ review emails usually.
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20:00:13 <flo> I think there are at least 3 bugs that Blake approved but that Mike hasn't found
20:01:11 <flo> ah, he marked 2 as bitrotted
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20:03:50 <flo> ah, more bugmail :)
20:04:15 <clokep_work> s/:)/:(/
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20:50:51 <flo> clokep_work: I really meant ":)" here because all the things mconley do now are things I won't have to do tomorrow morning ;)
20:52:00 <clokep_work> Ah-ha! I meant :( because I don't do server side filtering. ;)
20:54:34 <clokep_work> We probably need to resync c-c and Instantbird fairly badly though.
20:56:09 <flo> I'll need to do that tomorrow, yes
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