#instantbird log on 07 19 2012

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02:51:11 <instant-buildbot> build #561 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/561
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04:24:45 <instant-buildbot> build #649 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/649
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07:25:02 <Mic> Finally looking at bug 1511 again.
07:25:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Possible to add duplicate accounts
08:06:50 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 1624 on bug 1511.
08:06:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Possible to add duplicate accounts
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09:16:24 <Mic> The master password dialog is bad :(
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09:18:01 <Mic> "Password Required - Please enter the master password for the Software Security Device." + no app icon, no name mentioned, no nothing.
09:18:26 <aleth> "Software Security Device"? :P
09:18:37 <Mic> Yes, that's what it says here :(
09:18:46 <Mic> Have you seen something different?
09:18:51 <Mic> *anything
09:18:53 <aleth> I've never tried it.
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09:23:58 <Mic> + it is the first window that appears for me (I'm using Session Restore though, so maybe that's different for people who normally auto-connect at startup)
09:24:02 <aleth> I assume it's teh same string on Firefox?
09:25:05 <Mic> Yes
09:26:02 <aleth> I wonder if there was a reason for it...
09:26:09 <Mic> That makes them suck too, not us less imo ;)
09:28:47 <aleth> https://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/topics/what_is_the_software_security_device ;)
09:29:16 <Mic> It is inserting the name of the device, it's not hardcoded
09:29:38 <Mic> hmm, *I* used mxr for that :P
09:36:00 <Mic> Are we going to have another Mozilla update before the release btw?
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09:48:17 <flo> Mic: "Are we going to have another Mozilla update before the release btw?" I'm afraid we will have to
09:48:55 <flo> and the usability of NSS dialogs is awful
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09:49:08 <flo> APIs too :(
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09:53:59 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work: found the flaw in my patch for bug 1108
09:54:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108 min, --, ---, bugi, ASSI, Names of folder and files are not checked against forbidden names.
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10:09:37 <instantbot> bugi@media.fjmail.de requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1748 on bug 1108.
10:09:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108 min, --, ---, bugi, ASSI, Names of folder and files are not checked against forbidden names.
10:13:06 <Mic> Ah, cool. Just compiled with the changes I made for Bug 1511 (+ a fix for a small but important mistake;)
10:13:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Possible to add duplicate accounts
10:13:12 <Mic> My first useful compilation then :)
10:13:26 <flo> are there C++ changes in that patch?
10:13:27 <instantbot> c++ is e-- ah, nevermind.
10:13:31 <Mic> No
10:14:23 <Mic> It took quite long anyways :(
10:15:01 <Mic> I saw lots of "nothing to be done" and "uptodate" though and saving two hours isn't that bad either, is it? ;)
10:18:03 <flo> how did you rebuild?
10:19:06 <Mic> With "make -f client.mk build" again.
10:19:11 <flo> ouch
10:19:21 <flo> don't do that if you didn't change anything in mozilla/
10:20:06 <flo> this should be much faster: make -C obj-instantbird-dbg ib
10:20:18 <flo> replace obj-instantbird-dbg with the path to your obj dir of course
10:20:27 <Mic> OK, I'll try that.
10:20:53 <flo> or cd to the obj dir, and then just make ib
10:22:13 <Mic> :O
10:22:17 <Mic> Done! :)
10:22:39 <flo> how long did it take? :)
10:22:47 <Mic> Like half a minute?
10:22:59 <Mic> Now that's what I call a speed-up! :)
10:23:13 <flo> still slow :(
10:23:59 <flo> (half a minute is enough to start thinking about something else while waiting, and no longer remember what one wanted to test when the application is finally ready)
10:24:24 <flo> it's slow for me (on Mac) too, btw
10:24:41 <flo> only my linux build is able to rebuilt my changes in a reasonable time
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10:26:19 <Mic> Well, at the moment I'm happy that it is working at all.
10:27:03 <flo> :)
10:27:44 <flo> enjoy that short time of happiness before you stop noticing it, and start being seriously annoyed when it doesn't work :)
10:28:01 <Mic> hehe
10:28:12 <Mic> I need to go and have lunch. Have a nice day.
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10:33:33 <clokep> Congrats Mic. :)
10:33:50 <clokep> I usually make -C objdir/<path to folder I made changes in> FWIW.
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10:35:00 <flo> "> It seems weird to me that the protocol calls something on the account prototype...same goes for GMail, XMPP and IRC too.
10:35:01 <flo> I've followed flo idea now that suggested doing exactly that."
10:35:02 <flo> I've really suggested that? :-/
10:35:43 <clokep> Also...I hate people complaining about memory usage. :( But apparently we should actually see if there's ways to limit it.
10:36:44 <flo> clokep: I'm also irritated by people claiming excessive memory usage as an obvious fact that doesn't need data to back it up.
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10:37:18 <flo> although I must admit I'm also sometimes claiming that Instantbird takes too much memory :-]
10:37:45 <clokep> Yes, but most people complain when it's over like 50 MB. :P
10:37:48 <flo> but my annoyance resulted in at least one fix (the Twitter XHR change to use chunked responses)
10:37:51 <clokep> You complain when it's over like 500 MB.
10:38:02 <flo> clokep: not really :-D
10:38:16 <clokep> FeuerFliege: I'll check out the new version of that soon. :)
10:38:18 <flo> clokep: I think it's excessive above 100MB and complain when it's close to 200MB
10:38:49 <clokep> Fair enough. :)
10:38:57 <clokep> I agree that it'd be awesome to add memory reporters though.
10:38:58 <flo> but my top annoyance related to memory usage of Instantbird is that I don't know what to blame for it :-/
10:39:16 <flo> and it's something I intend to address during the next few months
10:39:18 * clokep just assumes he can blame the MSN prpl. ;)
10:39:28 <flo> right
10:39:29 <flo> good candidate :-D
10:39:32 <flo> or netsoul
10:39:48 <flo> if I really cared about netsoul I would rewrite it in JS though
10:40:02 <flo> the protocol seem trivial, and is definitely text based
10:40:05 <clokep> But I wouldn't be surprised if not ever removing any messages has a bit of a memory impact too, especially in like #ubuntu.
10:40:12 <FeuerFliege> flo: fx maxed out my memory once, ib didn’t managed that yet :)
10:40:27 <flo> FeuerFliege: was it fx or fx add-ons?
10:40:29 <clokep> flo: Do you think that's one of the ones that uses a lot of memory?
10:40:34 <FeuerFliege> flo: add-on
10:40:56 <flo> clokep: no, I don't think so. I would like it though, because as almost nobody uses it, we wouldn't have to fix it :).
10:41:19 <flo> clokep: it used to be a very crashy one, but I think I've fixed the last frequent netsoul crash more than a year ago
10:41:47 <FeuerFliege> flo: but over 6GB memory usage is memorable.
10:42:17 <flo> FeuerFliege: I remember a student that I mentored who created an Instantbird add-on sucking ~100MB per second
10:42:34 <FeuerFliege> nice
10:42:37 <flo> and his explanation for that was "the Mozilla platforms doesn't handle memory correctly"
10:42:53 <FeuerFliege> maybe he is right ^^
10:43:12 <flo> my explanation for his problem was that he should learn to use SQL
10:43:43 <flo> he was doing completely crazy (ie stupid, not crazy as in clever) things with sqlite :)
10:44:32 <FeuerFliege> :)
10:50:29 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested feedback from florian@instantbi rd.org for attachment 1746 on bug 1546.
10:50:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1546 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, license.html not distributed with Instantbird
10:50:36 <clokep> If that wasn't obvious ^.
10:51:42 <flo> it was already in my unread firefox tabs :)
10:55:54 <clokep> :)
10:56:42 <flo> what's the app-license.html file used for?
10:56:48 <flo> is it just at build time, or are we shipping it?
10:57:47 <clokep> I think it contains the little blurb saying we're distributing as GPL.
10:58:06 <clokep> It's supposed to be included into about:license AFAIK.
10:58:26 <flo> getting rid of openLicense is a great idea
10:58:46 <flo> isn't removing the href=""  changing the appearance of the link?
10:58:49 <clokep> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/toolkit/content/license.html?force=1#28
10:59:07 <clokep> flo: If I leave the href="" I get a weird dialog that pops up trying to open an empty link in Firefox.
10:59:12 <clokep> The styling was still OK w/ me.
10:59:21 * clokep needs to go.
10:59:28 <clokep> I'll be back in a bit. :)
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10:59:42 <flo> "The remainder of the software which is not under the MPL is available under a subset of it" doesn't mean anything to me
11:00:08 <flo> " I get a weird dialog that pops up trying to open an empty link in Firefox" sounds like you need an event.preventDefault();
11:01:49 <flo> boo, horrible dialog http://wstaw.org/m/2012/07/19/pidgin_chat_invite.png :(
11:02:49 <aleth> ouch :(
11:03:38 <aleth> not even a drop-down for the buddy...
11:04:29 <aleth> Completely unnecessary dialog though.
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11:50:10 <clokep_work> flo: It doesn't mean anything to me either, but that's what the sed in the makefile was doing. ;)
11:50:33 <flo> the other part of the sentence has changed
11:50:44 <flo> it used to say "the mozilla tri-license or a subset of it"
11:53:38 <clokep_work> Ah, I see.
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13:03:45 * flo is ready wnayes' etherpad about log importing (finally)
13:08:58 <clokep_work> :) He seems to be making good progress overall.
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13:37:24 * flo added comments at the bottom
13:43:08 <clokep_work> I suggested storing it online, but binary files, etc. are a good point too.
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13:54:40 <flo> is there an easy way to have an HTTP(S) proxy, to test proxy resolution bugs?
13:55:06 <flo> I'm wondering if adding http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/netwerk/base/public/nsIProtocolProxyService.idl#77 would magically make things work
14:08:58 <clokep_work> That would be awfully convenient. :)
14:09:09 <clokep_work> And I don't know of any HTTP(S) proxies, which is why I haven't looked at that yet.
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14:38:49 <flo> what about dropping all non-socks proxy results in http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/modules/socket.jsm#245 ?
14:39:39 <clokep_work> flo: Are you trying to support or not allow it?
14:40:16 <flo> I'm trying to avoid us attempting to connect IRC/XMPP accounts with an HTTP proxy found in the system settings
14:40:26 <flo> without breaking socks proxies
14:42:25 <clokep_work> OK, so you're not trying to support it using the HTTP CONNECT method or whatever EionRobb suggested?
14:42:44 <flo> if that could work, it would be nice
14:42:52 <flo> but I don't have a way to test it...
14:43:14 <clokep_work> Me neither. :(
14:43:51 <flo> if you believe that would work, we can try adding the RESOLVE_ALWAYS_TUNNEL flag
14:44:03 <flo> that would be nice if it lets IRC connect through an HTTP proxy
14:45:36 <flo> apparently mIRC can use http proxies, so maybe that can work
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14:49:08 <clokep_work> From what I read...it should work.
14:49:13 <clokep_work> But I don't have an HTTP proxy to test w/.
14:49:28 <clokep_work> Well I have an HTTP proxy, but not one that will let that through. ;)
14:52:21 <flo> if I take the summary of bug 1347 literally, I guess I can just drop http results ;)
14:52:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1347 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, socket.jsm based protocols shouldn't attempt to use HTTP proxies
14:55:52 <clokep_work> Yes, that was before I knew they /could/ use HTTP proxies. :)
14:57:37 <clokep_work> The link to the CZ code shows how it could be supported too, but it'd be more awesome if that flag just doe sit.
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16:14:16 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1598 filed by sunhill2406@gmail.com.
16:14:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1598 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Problems with SIP accounts
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18:17:50 <PsyCoil> Hi
18:18:08 <PsyCoil> Is there a option in the program to move tabs to bottom?
18:21:08 <wnayes> PsyCoil: Not that I'm aware of. There is an addon that positions them vertically along the side if that helps.
18:31:51 <PsyCoil> Mhmm...What about making them a bit smaller and less in my face?
18:37:11 <wnayes> You can uncheck "Always show the tabbar" in the options, and it will only show up when more than one tab is in use.
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18:48:26 <PsyCoil> Thanks, playing a little with about:config does the trick.
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18:52:04 <aleth> PsyCoil: You can make them whatever size you like by modifying userChrome.css
18:52:14 <aleth> (just like in Firefox)
18:52:34 <PsyCoil> Yeah, I tried looking for that file
18:52:38 <PsyCoil> But I couldn't find it
18:52:42 <aleth> You have to create it
18:52:49 <aleth> By default it doesn't exist ;)
18:53:25 <aleth> It's only needed if you want to override the defaults
18:53:47 <PsyCoil> Makes sense, where can I create this file?
18:54:34 <aleth> in the chrome subdirectory of your profile folder
18:58:08 <PsyCoil> C:\Users\AppData\Local\Instantbird\Profiles
18:58:08 <PsyCoil> Over here, correct?
18:59:40 <aleth> A subdirectory of that I think (probably called ...default)
19:00:02 <aleth> (You may have more than one profile of course)
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19:04:42 <PsyCoil> Thanks, max-height: 30px !important; did the trick :P
19:05:33 <aleth> somebody is learning CSS ;)
19:05:56 <PsyCoil> I know little
19:07:21 <PsyCoil> Now just to hide the avaters in bigger windows...
19:07:35 <aleth> media-queries are your friend?
19:08:22 <aleth> But that's a change you'd best make at the level of the message style.
19:08:34 <aleth> (as it's content and not chrome)
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19:11:28 <PsyCoil> Mhmm, no, that's not what I mean. When stretching the window my contacts avatars are showing up, or rather, not showing up but that's irrelevant
19:11:43 <aleth> Which window?
19:12:09 <PsyCoil> In MSN conversations
19:12:24 <aleth> It depends on the message style whether avatars are shown.
19:12:50 <aleth> But there is a MSN bug in libpurple that stops them from showing anyway :(
19:13:32 <aleth> We plan to eventually replace it with a JS protocol so it works
19:13:45 <PsyCoil> Noticed... but no, that's not what I mean... A picture is worth a thousand words, just a sec.
19:16:32 <PsyCoil> http://i49.tinypic.com/2j2jcw8.png
19:16:33 <PsyCoil> I'm trying to get rid of that 'empty' avatar when stretching the window. When making it smaller, it dispersers automatically.
19:18:59 <aleth> Ah, right, that's part of the chrome.
19:20:00 <aleth> You'll have to find the right class to override in here http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/themes/conversation.css
19:21:59 <PsyCoil> Thanks, I'll check it out
19:22:20 <aleth> A shortcut is to use the DOM Inspector add-on
19:22:41 <aleth> With it you can just point at things and see where their CSS comes from
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19:40:53 <clokep_work> It's nice to see avatars..but I guess not if you only use MSN> ;P
19:43:38 <PsyCoil> It is... but no when they are not working. :P
19:46:33 <clokep_work> Yup. :)
19:52:21 <wnayes> flo: I read your comments in the pad. I wrote another version based on those (in the same pad, https://etherpad.mozilla.org/Vjba2Yh021)
20:03:48 <clokep_work> Seems to make sense to me. ;)
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20:14:21 <wnayes> I think it still makes sense to work on a file-by-file basis for most of the importers, but these changes hopefully allow flexibility when that isn't the best way to go about it.
20:15:05 <clokep_work> wnayes: Perhaps the prototype should work for file-by-file then?
20:15:16 <clokep_work> (Or you can have a FileByFileLogImporterPrototype? :P)
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23:17:15 <aleth> Hmm, when I /follow someone on twitter, the last tweet gets displayed again for no apparent reason
23:17:51 <aleth> Which as a side effect really confuses the bubbles time display ;)
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