#instantbird log on 07 15 2012

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00:04:15 <PsyCoil> contact - at - dlanham.com
00:04:26 <PsyCoil> Hopefully, that's his mail.
00:08:17 <instant-buildbot> build #289 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/289
00:10:47 <PsyCoil> Alright, time to sleep. (^_^)
00:11:17 <PsyCoil> CYA, Thanks for all the help. :P
00:12:07 <PsyCoil> Will post the emotes soon enough, I think. :)
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01:32:08 <instant-buildbot> build #257 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/257
01:37:14 <instant-buildbot> build #277 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/277
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03:00:06 <instant-buildbot> build #557 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/557
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03:06:53 <clokep> aleth: Did you link to w3schools?! Eek. :(
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03:18:51 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1450 to FIXED.
03:18:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1450 nor, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Only remove unread ruler when switching away from a tab if tab has been visible for a certain time
03:19:55 * clokep could have sworn we had a bug about removing the custom emoticons pref...
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03:26:09 <clokep> aleth: Poke me at some point to file another bug about not having NickServ support suck so much.
03:26:10 <clokep> Thanks. :)
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03:27:27 <clokep> aleth: "There's no way yet to just fav/bookmark one, but it is planned." That's planned? I thought we explicitly /don't/ want to be able to do that?
03:27:53 <clokep> flo: I think you summarized my opinion of how IRC should work in Instantbird fairly well. :)
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04:41:52 <instant-buildbot> build #645 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/645
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06:06:32 <instant-buildbot> build #550 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/550
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08:36:39 <aleth> Hmm, that didn't really work :(
08:37:46 <aleth> clokep: I totally agree we don't want "favs" or "bookmarks" - I just didn't feel like explaining the whole new tab/awesome bar concept which solves the same problem better.
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08:42:53 <aleth> clokep: I think it's as trivial as unreal sending a text that you don't test for.
08:44:44 * aleth suspects the starved dog never was quite hungry enough to log onto mozilla.org ;)
08:51:43 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 309 to DUPLICATE of bug 1139.
08:51:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Some system messages contain emoticons where they should not.
08:51:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1139 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, fewer false positives for emoticon detection
08:54:57 <aleth> O:-)
08:55:09 <aleth> :-*
08:56:06 <aleth> so bug 488 is still open ;)
08:56:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Missing Commonly Used Emoticon
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09:10:39 <flo> clokep: "I think you summarized my opinion of how IRC should work in Instantbird fairly well." you mean it should be dog-starving? :-D
09:11:39 * flo is unhappy.
09:11:42 <aleth> Better not put that in the release notes or it might be misunderstod ;)
09:11:48 <flo> Very rainy weather, and non-working AMI :-/.
09:11:53 <aleth> :(
09:12:07 <aleth> Didn't it like the 8-hour marathons the other week?
09:12:19 <flo> 8 hour?
09:12:27 <aleth> or more?
09:12:44 <flo> at least 10, maybe 12 or 13 :-D
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09:12:53 <aleth> :D
09:13:28 <aleth> Maybe the AMI is hinting you need to connect up your house ;)
09:14:48 <aleth> But then I suppose it would have to take you there first...
09:15:19 <flo> connect up means subscribing to the internet? :-D
09:15:36 <aleth> well, water might be useful sometimes too ;)
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09:22:20 <PsyCoil> Screenshot time! :) :D (^_^) (L) 8-) (*_*) :P (Y)
09:22:44 <Chaz6> :p
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09:28:27 <PsyCoil> Riceballs! :D ;) :) :P (^_^) (Y) :O (L) ^^
09:33:53 <PsyCoil> Mhmm?
09:33:53 <PsyCoil> 1.1 is not a valid version for Instantbird
09:33:53 <PsyCoil> 2.0.* is not a valid version for Instantbird
09:33:53 <PsyCoil> I think I need to change the rdf
09:34:10 <aleth> Use 1.2a1pre
09:34:22 <PsyCoil> as min?
09:34:30 <aleth> as max
09:42:05 <PsyCoil> Alright then, Uploaded.
09:42:49 <aleth> Cool! You should nominate it for going public when you feel it is ready and you have the rights issue sorted out.
09:43:18 <PsyCoil> I just did, I think
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09:46:48 <PsyCoil> Any idea who made all of these? https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/user/5
09:47:02 <aleth> A robot ;)
09:47:34 <aleth> They were converted automatically by a script and are marked experimental until someone tests them to check they work, and/or fixes them
09:48:51 <aleth> Most would need some TLC to work well
09:50:07 <aleth> If you want to adopt one and polish it, you can...
09:50:10 <PsyCoil> I tested some of them, they work
09:50:36 <flo> I wrote the script to do that
09:50:54 <PsyCoil> I'm using Succinct now, and besides the header and the avaters, It works great.
09:50:56 <flo> doing it for the message themes was the difficult part, so I expected someone would do it for the emoticons (the easy part), but it didn't happen :-|
09:51:01 <aleth> If you find some that really work well, let us know and we can drop the experimental tag
09:52:13 <PsyCoil> Could you tell the robot to port Mnmlsm or Fluffy? :P
09:52:23 <aleth> For example clokep is an admin and can mark Succinct as public ;)
09:53:27 <aleth> PsyCoil: You can do it yourself: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Message_Styles_reference
09:53:45 <aleth> There is a "conversion" section
09:55:36 <PsyCoil> Oh, I read that yesterday. Unfortunately I don't have MAC, and the script is incompatible with Linux
09:55:36 <PsyCoil> Besides... I think this is just a little above my head. :P
09:58:04 <aleth> You'd probably want to start by looking at a working message style to see what it's made up of. Then converting an adium one by hand wouldn't be too hard. If you know some HTML and CSS, you basically have what you need.
09:58:45 <flo> what makes the script incompatible with linux?
09:58:58 <flo> maybe a tool to open dmg files? :-/
10:00:15 <PsyCoil> Probably.
10:02:54 <flo> the AMI will probably be fixed during the next week-end. After a phone call to someone who really knows these cars to confirm my suspicions, I'm now sure of what the problem is. :)
10:03:06 <aleth> :)
10:03:18 <aleth> Hopefully nothing too major...
10:03:42 <aleth> I suppose getting spare parts is tricky
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10:06:55 <PsyCoil> :O I think I'll stick to converting some emotes, already got a good hang of that. My CSS knowledge also falls very short. Again, would love to see a port of Mnmlsm or Fluffy.
10:15:13 <PsyCoil> Any volunteers? Besides myself...
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10:22:02 <clokep> aleth: Can't you mark things as public too as an editor? :P
10:22:10 <aleth> PsyCoil: You need to add a screenshot and then nominate it for public (with "change status")
10:22:15 <aleth> clokep: nope :P
10:23:39 <PsyCoil> Extensions currently Active and In Sandbox
10:23:58 <aleth> yes, "in sandbox" means its still experimental
10:24:17 <PsyCoil> Okay, lemme look for that Public thingie...
10:24:23 <PsyCoil> Because I already added a screenshot
10:24:26 <aleth> Click on "change status" I think
10:24:47 <aleth> The screenshot should also be added under "preview screenshots"
10:25:37 <aleth> clokep: I can only mark things public if they are submitted for review
10:26:05 <clokep> Hm. Weird.
10:26:16 * clokep needs to go run a 5k.
10:26:18 <clokep> Bye!
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10:28:28 <PsyCoil> Okay, nominated for Public.
10:39:17 <PsyCoil> aleth: I removed most gt
10:39:43 <PsyCoil> Besides that, I copied the original codes.
10:39:44 <aleth> PsyCoil: btw: http://superuser.com/questions/292086/how-can-i-enforce-so-notepad-uses-utf-8-every-time-i-create-a-new-file
10:40:23 <aleth> PsyCoil: The gt and lt bits come from a different method of escaping special characters that must have been used where you got it from.
10:41:22 <PsyCoil> Could be. Is it published?
10:41:58 <aleth> Not until you reupload the add-on with that problem fixed and submit it for public again ;)
10:42:31 <aleth> Otherwise the >:-) smiley will only work if someone types &gt;:-) for example ;)
10:43:12 <aleth> (click on "versions and files" to replace the existing file)
10:46:29 <flo> This morning, 3 kilometers from home: http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/gs-salperwick/IMG_3871.JPG http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/gs-salperwick/IMG_3872.JPG There are 2 AMIs on the photos (people I've known online by a forum before meeting them today), but not mine, I had to go with the modern car :-(
10:47:21 <PsyCoil> Alright, should be fine now. 
10:47:39 <aleth> I think you are luckier in your AMi's colour ;)
10:48:19 <flo> clokep: even as an administrator you can't mark an add-on as public if it hasn't been nominated for a review first. To push my add-ons to public I have to go to the developer UI to nominate them, and then to the editor UI to push to public, and I have to provide a review comment otherwise AIO is unhappy. Stupid UI/software...
10:49:27 <flo> clokep: and even marking an add-on as trusted (a thing only administrators can do) doesn't make the add-on public if it hasn't been reviewed at least once...
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10:50:25 <flo> aleth: I felt a bit stupid having people coming here from 300+ km with their AMI, and not being able to do 3km with mine
10:51:42 <aleth> flo: Just bad luck with the timing :(
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11:06:44 <PsyCoil> ;:o
11:07:00 <PsyCoil> (*-*)
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11:14:49 <PsyCoil> Does this look right?
11:14:49 <PsyCoil>     <em:id>emoticons-MacThemes2-smileys@instantbird.org</em:id>
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13:51:58 <PsyCoil> What's wrong with this theme.js?
13:51:58 <PsyCoil> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/51247
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13:58:24 <aleth> PsyCoil: in riceballs, >:-) doesn't work
13:59:42 <aleth> That theme.js looks valid to me
14:00:02 <aleth> The problem is skin MacThemes2 smileys classic/1.0 jar:chrome/skin.jar!/ 
14:00:03 <PsyCoil> :)
14:00:10 <PsyCoil> It works
14:00:20 <aleth> it should be "skin MacThemes2-smileys classic/1.0 jar:chrome/skin.jar!/ "
14:00:28 <PsyCoil> Oh
14:00:30 <aleth> because that's what you put in install.rdf
14:00:30 <PsyCoil> DERP
14:00:47 <PsyCoil> What code doesn't work in Riceballs?
14:00:58 <PsyCoil> the 'smile'?
14:01:09 <aleth> I thought >:-) should look like this ;:-) ?
14:01:35 <PsyCoil> ;:-)
14:01:40 <aleth> Maybe not, I don't know
14:01:43 <PsyCoil> ;:- )
14:01:49 <PsyCoil> ;;)
14:01:58 <PsyCoil> ;:)
14:02:05 <PsyCoil> There, It does work...
14:02:06 <aleth> I'm not a smiley expert...
14:02:21 <PsyCoil> Neither do I
14:03:19 <aleth> Just never seen ;:-) before...
14:03:56 <PsyCoil> :-\
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14:06:43 <PsyCoil> My network is failing left and right here :'(
14:06:52 <aleth> :(
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14:15:13 <PsyCoil> I sent another package 
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14:20:46 <PsyCoil> MacThemes2 smileys sent :P
14:20:56 <PsyCoil> I like Riceballs better, though.
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14:26:44 <aleth> Yes, but choice is good...
14:26:57 <PsyCoil> Of course, top rated :P 
14:27:25 <PsyCoil> I'd still like to see Fluffy Message style, If anyone can do it.
14:27:50 <aleth> It has a restrictive license, you would have to ask the author if he would do it.
14:28:34 <PsyCoil> The Message style?
14:28:37 <aleth> Yes
14:30:16 <PsyCoil> Oh yeah, noticed now... very protective :P
14:30:16 <aleth> It would definitely be a good style to have for Instantbird.
14:30:39 <PsyCoil> But hmmm.... shouldn't the one who's porting it ask?
14:31:14 <aleth> It looks to me like the author would either do it himself, or it would not happen at all.
14:31:47 <PsyCoil> Why not?
14:32:17 <aleth> Sounds like he wants to keep control...
14:32:42 <PsyCoil> Point a gun to our head, you mean?
14:33:06 <aleth> I have no idea. But the author is the obvious person to ask if you don't want to do it yourself ;)
14:34:39 <PsyCoil> I mean, I can't do it because my knowledge of CSS falls short, that script for Mac though, looks good enough to get most of the job done. And I don't have Mac.
14:36:33 <aleth> For it to be really polished, it would probably need tweaking after the original conversion (which isn't really that complicated - it just moves the files into the right place in an XPI package)
14:37:22 <PsyCoil> Okay, It's pointless talking about it now, I'll try to ask for permission...
14:37:29 <aleth> There are some things Instantbird doesn't support that adium does, and vice versa.
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14:46:22 <PsyCoil> Mnmlsm doesn't have any, would love to see that one too.
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14:47:30 <PsyCoil> If the script manages the CSS all by itself, I have no problem trying the .xpi
14:51:31 <aleth> PsyCoil: The script doesn't make any changes to the CSS etc, it just packages up the files into the right place, deletes what isn't needed, and generates an install.rdf etc. You can do it all by hand, it's just for convenience. 
14:52:14 <aleth> The information you need is on the wiki.
14:53:05 <aleth> We are a bit busy with the upcoming 1.2 release at the moment, so I don't think any IB dev is going to have time to do it.
14:54:26 <PsyCoil> What's new in 1.2?
14:54:44 <aleth> Try the nightly build if you want to find out ;)
14:55:58 <aleth> Beta version of the release notes https://etherpad.mozilla.org/Instantbird-Release-Notes-1-2
14:57:11 <PsyCoil> Mhmm... Maybe later. I'll try to follow the Wikia page, but I will nag you guys quite a bit about CSS in the theme :P
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15:00:48 <clokep> PsyCoil: You should look on MDC about random CSS and theming stuff too, the system is the same as Fx.
15:01:50 <PsyCoil> Do they have a chancel? 
15:02:29 <aleth> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/
15:03:21 <PsyCoil> Alright, I'll try
15:03:38 <PsyCoil> After I get permission. :P
15:05:32 <clokep> After the 5K I just ran: https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/553297_2312783419168_965681371_n.jpg ;)
15:07:01 <aleth> :)
15:07:12 <aleth> Did they spray you with paint on the finish line? ;)
15:07:43 <aleth> or what are those clouds in the background?
15:07:50 <clokep> Powdered "paint"
15:08:00 <clokep> That they spray you with, plus they spray you with wet paint and water.
15:08:08 <clokep> And give you a packet to throw at your friends at the end.
15:08:13 <aleth> :D
15:08:27 * aleth went swimming instead
15:08:43 * clokep is the one in the hat if you don't know.
15:09:06 <aleth> You don't look that tired ;)
15:09:50 <clokep> I don't think it was a fully 5K. :P But I ran it in 19:20.
15:10:02 * clokep is going to map it out soon.
15:10:09 <clokep> I also finished first so I had some rest time waiting for the others. ;)
15:10:31 <aleth> nice one
15:10:41 <aleth> time for an ice cream before the rest arrives ;)
15:10:53 <PsyCoil> How old are you?
15:11:34 <clokep> 24
15:12:00 <aleth> I should try extending my swimming distance too...
15:12:07 <clokep> How far do you go?
15:12:15 <clokep> All freestyle or do you mix it up?
15:12:25 * clokep used to swim competitively in high school.
15:13:12 <PsyCoil> That's pretty good...
15:13:43 <aleth> Depends, it's just for fun after all. I'm not that good. Usually just do 1000 or 2x 1000 or such
15:14:03 <aleth> But yeah, freestyle mainly, or breaststroke
15:14:43 <clokep> Nice! I swam the 200 individual medley and the 4 x 100 medley + 100 butterfly usually.
15:14:57 <clokep> I miss swimming. :( I'm jealous.
15:16:03 <aleth> Neat!
15:17:08 <aleth> I find myself stopping along the way... haven't got the breathing worked out well enough yet. I think the style must be a bit different if you go for longer.
15:18:01 <clokep> Well traditionally you breath every 3 arm strokes.
15:18:23 <clokep> But it's best to do what feels comfortable (if you can do every 4 or 5 that's better).
15:18:31 * clokep taught swimming lessons too. ;)
15:18:33 <aleth> Yeah... I still run out of breath eventually. But then I don't really know what I am doing...
15:19:00 <clokep> Ah, it's all about turning your head sideways and taking a breath and not lifting your head up.
15:19:23 <aleth> Or probably I just need to get fitter ;)
15:20:34 <aleth> I'd like to do 1000 without stopping somewhere in the middle soon...
15:21:57 <aleth> I also get mixed up with the breathing when I try to focus on where my arms are going to improve that part.
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15:22:30 <clokep> That always helps. :)
15:22:40 <clokep> Right, makes sense.
15:23:44 <aleth> Racing that kind of distance must be another thing altogether :D
15:26:02 <clokep> We had a...1 mile I guess? 72 laps in a 25 yard pool...
15:26:54 <aleth> Almost 2k?
15:27:47 <aleth> That's quite a lot of laps...
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15:32:18 <clokep> Yes...it is...
15:33:15 <clokep> 1.65 KM apparently.
15:33:27 <aleth> Consider me impressed :)
15:33:47 <aleth> Oh, so 25 yards < 25m? I thought it was more
15:34:07 <clokep> Yes.
15:34:19 <clokep> 25 yards is about 5 yards short of 25 meters, if memory serves me correctly.
15:34:25 <PsyCoil> Wait, what?
15:34:32 <PsyCoil> 72 laps in 25 yard pool?
15:34:40 <aleth> That's the kind of distance they do in triathlons, I think.
15:34:43 <clokep> 25 yards is 22.86 meters.
15:35:18 <clokep> Yeah so it's like 2.5 yards short.
15:36:34 <clokep> PsyCoil: Yes, in a 25 yard pool.
15:37:38 <PsyCoil> A lap is a single length of the pool?
15:37:48 <clokep> Yes.
15:37:57 <clokep> (Not there and back, which some people get confused about...)
15:39:08 <PsyCoil> A meter pool or yard?
15:39:18 <PsyCoil> Those are a lot of laps :P
15:40:05 <clokep> Well if it was a meter pool it'd be 72 laps of 25 meters. ;)
15:42:15 <PsyCoil> It would be 66 laps in a 25 meter pool :D
15:42:34 <clokep> I'm not sure what your point is...
15:43:15 <aleth> How they came up with the 1 mile/1 yard = 1760 base I do not know ;)
15:43:33 <PsyCoil> I just wanted to check. Because those are a lot of laps, are you a professional athlete?
15:44:08 <clokep> Not at all. :)
15:44:22 <clokep> aleth: The English system makes no sense, we mostly use metric at work.
15:44:27 <PsyCoil> Then you must be doing sport for quite a while now :P
15:46:17 <clokep> I played soccer when I was younger, swam in middle and high school, did swimming, cross country and track in high school, and played intramural soccer, indoor soccer and frisbee in college and now play pick up Frisbee and random other things. ;)
15:47:45 <PsyCoil> What team do you support in soccer?
15:48:15 <clokep> Uhh...I don't really follow soccer too much. But I've gone to a few New England Revolution games, but I guess my a NY Red Bull fan by default. ;)
15:48:35 <clokep> And I'm sure all the teams everyone else here likes could destroy those teams, yes, yes. We're not good at soccer in the US. :P
15:49:27 <aleth> Oh I dunno, didn't it go quite well for the US at the last world cup?
15:51:00 <PsyCoil> In the Euro? I don't remember them there...
15:51:13 <PsyCoil> What kind of name is 'soccer'
15:51:18 <PsyCoil> The name is Football :P
15:52:21 <clokep> I mostly watch hockey. ;)
15:53:28 <PsyCoil> Mhm. I heard Russia won the last tourney. 
15:55:56 <PsyCoil> As usual...
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15:59:07 <clokep> "as usual"? I thought Canada usually wins. :P
15:59:12 <PsyCoil> Oh right, do any of you got a good recommendation for a wireless mouse? I thought about LogiTech Wireless Mouse M305 but I dunno
15:59:23 <clokep> BlueTooth or wireless?
15:59:31 <clokep> I have a super old Logitech bluetooth mouse I love.
15:59:38 <clokep> WOrks great and the batteries like never need to be replaced.
16:00:08 <PsyCoil> BlueTooth
16:02:53 * clokep is sure they don't make his mouse anymore. ;)
16:04:14 <clokep> I have a Logitech V270, which was probably released in like 2006 or 2007.
16:07:52 <PsyCoil> Ha, quick search on Google, didn't find the mouse...
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16:21:44 <PsyCoil> Whoohoo! Almost forgot, Breaking Bad Season 5 today! :P
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18:44:10 <PsyCoil> Someone here?
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19:48:50 <PsyCoil> So... I'm trying to convert a message style, called Lighty... I've got it half-working already, I can see it in the Preview window fine and well, but the baubles themselves are not showing. Rendering problem or doing something wrong?
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20:02:20 <Mic> Hi
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20:20:47 <Mic> clokep: 20min for 5k is absolutely awesome in my opinion. Much better than what I usually run! :)
20:24:39 <Mic> I've never actually participated in a race though, I expect one gets a slightly better time then because it's a more motivating environment. ;)
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20:30:47 <Mic> PsyCoil: did you get your theme working?
20:32:00 <PsyCoil> Mhmm? No, I didn't. Tried a few more things, still shown in Preview but no baubles
20:32:34 <Mic> The preview is what you expect but in actual conversations, it does not work? 
20:32:43 <PsyCoil> Nope
20:34:25 <PsyCoil> Also, Footer.html calls an external .js - jquery.min.js, but without it, the Style would not work. I suspect that might be it.
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20:36:51 <Mic> Do you ship this file in your extension or do you include it from the web?
20:37:28 <PsyCoil> Yeah, I do ship it in the .xpi
20:37:35 <PsyCoil> In the .jar, I mean
20:38:03 <Mic> You don't need to create jar's anymore by the way.
20:38:31 <PsyCoil> I know, saw it on Wikia but It doesn't work either way.
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20:39:15 <Mic> If you like you can post the footer to pastebin and I'd have a (short) look at it.
20:39:39 <Mic> (I've no idea why it would work in the preview but not in conversations though).
20:41:23 <PsyCoil> Oh, that's not what I meant...
20:42:39 <PsyCoil> This is the Style: http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=8063
20:42:39 <PsyCoil> However, the nifty colors are not showing, I can see timestamps, and avatars too
20:42:49 <PsyCoil> No colors, though.
20:45:09 <PsyCoil> Footer.html: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/51302
20:47:14 <Mic> It's trying to include something (a js file and css) from a server (that's pretty bad imo) and it's using "webkit" prefixes on its stylesheets which we don't support.
20:49:15 <PsyCoil> No way around it?
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20:50:51 <Mic> The remote part is useless (it announces updates of the theme) and can most likely just be removed.
20:52:06 <Mic> The webkit prefixes would need checking whether there is a -moz version available (and what the syntax needs to be).
20:53:21 <Mic> I need to go, maybe I'll be back later.
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22:42:32 * aleth wonders if the brazilian l10n team has been contacted yet
22:42:57 <aleth> (if there is a team that is ;) )
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