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00:56:28 <clokep> wnayes: You defnitely shouldn't write the pure JSON, the logger is meant to be pluggable.
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01:02:42 <flo> it's close to working, but not usable yet.
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02:50:05 <instant-buildbot> build #555 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/555
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09:10:29 <Mic> Hello!
09:25:08 <aleth> I never knew gnome-shell 3 is written in JS
09:26:34 <sonny> it's not
09:26:48 <aleth> The window manager is
09:26:51 <sonny> but it embeds spidermonkey so you can write JS plugins
09:27:33 <aleth> Right. With the panel itself being a plugin, if I understand correctly
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09:28:43 <sonny> the WM is mutter and it's written in C
09:29:24 <aleth> Ah, I don't know the correct terminology for the components then
09:29:57 <sonny> anyway we shouldn't talk about gnome-shell it sucks :)
09:31:14 <aleth> heh ;) it may improve over time...
09:31:55 <aleth> I was just surprised to find spidermonkey inside
09:32:12 <aleth> (as I thought it was all C)
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10:12:34 <instantbot> New Core - XMPP bug 1591 filed by sztanpet@gmail.com.
10:12:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1591 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, XMPP connection doesn't notice disconnection
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10:37:47 <clokep> Has MSN ever supported group chats? :-S I didn't think Pidgin supported it either.
10:38:33 <aleth> I didn't know they existed on MSN :-/
10:39:22 <aleth> Are they really MUCs?
10:40:34 <clokep> On MSN you can simply invite a third person to a conversation and voila you're talking to 3 people.
10:40:50 <clokep> (Which is actually really nice that you don't have to join a chat somewhere, you just have them enter your current chat.)
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10:43:59 <aleth> Hmm, it would be nice to have that for XMPP
10:44:58 <aleth> Have IB auto-generate a room name
10:45:13 <aleth> and move the conversation across.
10:46:13 <clokep> Why just XMPP? :P
10:46:33 <clokep> (Btw what I described is essentially how GChat does chats too.)
10:46:49 <aleth> Well, any protocol that supports it... though I suspect the mechanics of it differ
10:47:04 <clokep> "supports it"? Supports...MUCs?
10:47:17 <aleth> yes
10:47:52 <aleth> I was thinking of MSN-XMPP, that's why I mentioned it
10:48:04 <clokep> Ah, right.
10:48:08 <clokep> You gonna add that? ;)
10:48:48 <aleth> I doubt it... not in the next few months :P
10:49:56 <clokep> But knowing oauth is a great skill to have. ;)
10:52:11 <aleth> Looks like your chkdsk has finished :)
10:53:03 <clokep> Yes, but I'm still having issues.
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10:53:42 <aleth> Have you tried the drive manufacturer's tools? When I had issues with a drive that was what provided decent diagnostics
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10:55:22 <clokep> I'm probably just going to send it to Lenovo, this is why I have a warranty. ;)
10:55:54 <clokep> Anyway, time to go! :)
10:55:54 <aleth> might be a lot less hassle ;)
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11:53:50 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1592 filed by filimonov.mikhail@gmail.com.
11:53:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1592 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, glib version requirements bad
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12:03:10 <clokep_work> Anyone actually know the minimum version of glib supported by libpurple?
12:07:30 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.com bug 1593 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
12:07:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1593 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add information on 64-bit Linux to FAQ
12:14:10 <aleth> clokep_work: All I could find was this http://pidgin.im/pipermail/support/2011-June/010258.html
12:15:07 <clokep_work> Interesting.
12:16:38 <aleth> This even seems to claim >=2.30 required http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libpurple0
12:16:52 <aleth> But of course that may just be the packager
12:17:49 <clokep_work> That's the packager, I think.
12:18:03 <clokep_work> We're definitely still compiling with 2.16.1 on Windows. :)
12:18:18 <aleth> That should do it then ;)
12:21:19 <clokep_work> Although I vaguely feel like MXit wants a newer version of glib...but we don't compile that. ;)
12:22:32 <clokep_work> FeuerFliege: I looked at your patch last night.
12:22:47 <clokep_work> I think it looks pretty good. I didn't have a chance to try it yet though. :)
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12:41:00 <clokep_work> So the MSN code seems to say things about chats...but doesn't have a join chat function. :-S
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12:41:52 <aleth> Possibly because there are no dedicated rooms?
12:42:31 <clokep_work> Perhaps. It might be that if someone else makes it you can join, but you can't make one?
12:42:35 * clokep_work wonders if flo knows. :-D
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12:49:36 <Mic> clokep_work: don't test it too seriously, this is definitely early work and a lot of things need changes.
12:51:21 <clokep_work> Mic: Well I only join like 4 channels at work, so I figured it's a good place to test it. :)
12:57:13 <flo> clokep_work: iirc MSN conversations (at the protocol level) are all MUCs, so it's always possible to add someone
12:57:52 <flo> libpurple doesn't (or used to not) support changing an IM conv to a MUC conv, so when someone is added to an MSN group chat, it opened a new MUC conversation titled "MSN chat"
12:58:50 <flo> and I don't know if Pidgin/libpurple supports inviting someone, but if it does it's with a menu item added by the protocol plugin to the conversation, or something similarly poor UX-wise.
12:59:43 <clokep_work> Ah, OK.
12:59:53 <clokep_work> So that post on the mailing list is pretty much "We probably don't support this."?
13:02:05 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work: “pretty good” sounds great to me ^^
13:02:36 <clokep_work> FeuerFliege: Yes, I just need to test, I think.
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13:30:05 * flo frowns at bug 1592
13:30:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1592 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, glib version requirements bad
13:30:49 <flo> clokep_work: yes, we don't support the feature he's requesting
13:31:16 <flo> we could probably support it, if someone had enough interest in it to define a good UI for it, and write the code
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13:45:32 <clokep_work> flo: OK. :)
13:45:43 <clokep_work> Thanks for the info, I'll reply at some point (unless someone else wnats to?)
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15:23:48 <qheaden> Does Instantbird have the ability to start with the operating system in Windows?
15:24:59 <clokep_work> qheaden: Any program does, just copy the shortcut to "Startup" in the Start Menu.
15:26:06 <qheaden> Hmm okay. I forgot about that.
15:31:29 <qheaden> So Instantbird doesn't have that functionality built into it?
15:31:37 <qheaden> I might think about adding it when I have some free time.
15:32:35 <clokep_work> qheaden: No, it doesn't there's a bug open about it though.
15:32:40 <clokep_work> We'd like to have it added in though. :)
15:32:46 <qheaden> Where is the bug for it?
15:33:11 <clokep_work> In bugzilla. ;)
15:33:13 <clokep_work> Let me search.
15:33:31 <qheaden> Oh I know it is in Bugzilla. Not sure which bug number though. :)
15:34:07 <clokep_work> I don't know off the top of my head! That's why they have searching. :P bug 376
15:34:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Start with OS / on sign-on
15:35:19 <qheaden> Did you guys recently setup your own bugzilla?
15:35:59 <qheaden> Ha ha. I guess not. The bug was reported in 2010. :)
15:36:21 <clokep_work> qheaden: No, we've had one forever. Why?
15:36:29 <clokep_work> (It's in the topic too I think?)
15:37:07 <qheaden> It seems like the bug I was writing a proposal for with Google Summer of Code was on Mozilla's bugzilla. Not sure though.
15:37:26 <clokep_work> Which proposal was this? Sorry, I forget. :-D
15:38:00 <clokep_work> There's some bugs for chat in there too, we'll hopefully merge the bugzillas sometime this quarter.
15:38:38 <qheaden> It was a proposal for adding a new protocol console.
15:39:06 * qheaden is setting up an Instantbird bugzilla account.
15:39:10 <clokep_work> Yeah, if that exists it's in our bugzilla. :)
15:40:02 <qheaden> I would like to assign myself to that bug, but I am busy with two other Firefox ones right now.
15:40:10 <qheaden> So i guess I'll just wait.
15:40:30 <clokep_work> Alright. :) Feel free to CC yourself or whatever though.
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15:40:37 <qheaden> Okay.
15:41:18 <qheaden> I could be horribly wrong, but it doesn't seem too hard to add support on Windows.
15:41:22 <qheaden> Not sure about linux and mac though.
15:42:15 <clokep_work> Yes, sounds right.
15:42:53 <qheaden> Instead of adding a shortcut though, I think the de-facto way of adding startup functionality on Windows is through the registry.
15:43:06 <clokep_work> Yes, that's a better way to do it.
15:43:19 <clokep_work> The code flo linked to probably has cross platform-ness to it.
15:43:54 <qheaden> Okay.
15:44:23 <qheaden> If I were to work on this bug, I would only be able to work on the Windows and Linux versions. I don't have access to a Mac.
15:45:05 <clokep_work> That's fine.
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15:49:27 <clokep_work> There's probably a Thunderbird bug for this too...
15:52:30 <flo> I don't think it's useful to add an option for that on Mac. It's really trivially accessible by default. There's a "start when opening the session" item in the dock context menu of all applications
15:53:14 <flo> I wouldn't be against adding it though; I just feel like it doesn't add much value on Mac
15:54:54 <Mic|web> Starting automatically .. /me thinks of "win.ini" and "run=". Ah, maybe I'm too old ;)
15:57:37 <aleth> KDE just automatically restores the desktop on restart
15:58:29 <aleth> Though that's probably configurable somewhere...
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16:16:19 <qheaden> So on Windows, if I am able to successfully build Mozilla Firefox, that means I have everything I need to build Instantbird dependency-wise?
16:17:29 <clokep_work> Yes.
16:17:40 <clokep_work> The other dependencies we use are part of our build system.
16:17:47 <clokep_work> (libxml, glib, libpurple)
16:17:58 <qheaden> Isn't that convenient. :)
16:18:25 <clokep_work> Yes. ;)
16:18:39 <clokep_work> You'll need to add a flag to disable-bonjour unless you happen to have the bonjour SDK installed. :)
16:19:06 <qheaden> No I don't have it installed. I'll just add a flag to disable it.
16:19:24 <qheaden> Would that disable any significant parts of Instantbird?
16:20:33 <clokep_work> Just the Bonjour protocol.
16:20:35 <clokep_work> Oh wait.
16:20:38 <clokep_work> I lied. We distribute that on Windows.
16:20:40 <clokep_work> Doh.
16:20:46 <clokep_work> So ignore everything I juts said. :-D
16:20:50 <qheaden> :P
16:21:13 <qheaden> On yeah, one more thing. Can you build it with pymake? I don't see pymake in the source tree.
16:22:34 <clokep_work> pymake is in the Mozilla source tree.
16:22:39 <clokep_work> Why would we have it?
16:22:43 <clokep_work> You should be able to yes.
16:22:49 <clokep_work> I forget whether my build at home uses it or not...
16:23:24 <qheaden> I just realized that the mozilla source is checked out for Instantbird to build. :P
16:24:41 <clokep_work> Yes. Works the same way as Thunderbird.
16:24:47 <clokep_work> Onec you call client.py checkout it pulls it.
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16:53:31 <qheaden> Does Instantbird have a regular release schedule? If so, where is the schedule located?
16:55:26 <aleth> We are string frozen, the 1.2 release should be in the next week or two.
16:55:40 <aleth> No regular schedule at the moment, though it has been discussed.
16:57:15 <qheaden> Okay.
17:08:20 <flo> qheaden: a regular schedule would require people committed to making these releases happen. We don't have these people.
17:09:05 <qheaden> Yeah, I guess you are right about that.
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17:58:36 <qheaden> What is the mozconfig flag to disable bonjour?
17:58:45 <qheaden> For some reason, I'm having compilation issues with it.
17:59:08 <clokep_work> qheaden: Could you let us know what the compilation issue is too?
17:59:14 <clokep_work> It's --disable-bonjour ;)
17:59:38 <qheaden> --disable-bonjour. I should have figured that one out. :P
18:00:14 <qheaden> I'm having a hard time reading through all the jibberish in the prompt.
18:00:56 <clokep_work> C&P it all into pastebin.instantbird.org?
18:01:03 <qheaden> It seems as though the linker is throwing a fatal error because it cannot open protocols/bonjour/bonjour.lib. My guess as to why it cannot open it is because bonjour.lib probably isn't linking correctly.
18:01:51 <clokep_work> Can you try something for me?
18:02:12 <qheaden> Here is the output: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/50886
18:02:20 <clokep_work> Do pymake <objdir>/purple/libpurple/protocols/bonjour and then try linking again (pymake <objdir> tier_app should do it)
18:02:26 <qheaden> The top is cut off a bit because the console window won't scroll all the way up.
18:02:32 <qheaden> Okay, let me try it.
18:02:52 <clokep_work> I saw something similar once and was unable to reproduce...
18:04:32 <qheaden> Hmm, it seems that the obj-dir was placed in the root C drive. The instantbird folder is also in the C root, but I thought the obj-dir was going to stay in the folder.
18:04:35 <qheaden> Permission issues maybe?
18:06:07 <clokep_work> It depends how you set up your mozconfig.
18:06:32 <qheaden> I'm running pymake tier_app now.
18:06:45 <qheaden> The compilation of the bonjour directory was successful.
18:06:54 <qheaden> Lets see if the link will work.
18:08:00 <qheaden> Everything worked this time.
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18:08:36 <clokep_work> Yeah. :-/ So that's strange and Idk why it happened. Our build machines haven't had that issue either. flo any ideas?
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18:13:02 <clokep_work> Glad it worked for you though. :)
18:19:31 <qheaden> Yeah. Thanks for the help.
18:20:56 <clokep_work> Of course! :)
18:21:13 <qheaden> Do you guys have a public view of the Instantbird build servers?
18:21:23 <qheaden> Like any status webpages?
18:21:44 <clokep_work> qheaden: http://buildbot.instantbird.org/waterfall
18:21:59 <qheaden> Great! I love buildbot. :)
18:23:27 <clokep_work> I don't think Even does. ;)
18:23:40 <qheaden> :P
18:24:02 <qheaden> IMO, Mozilla's push log can get a little confusing at times.
18:24:03 <clokep_work> (Apparently setting it up isn't fun.)
18:24:22 <qheaden> No. It is a pain to setup. I can tell you that. :)
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18:31:29 <qheaden> Once I get Instantbird built, I'll probably assign myself to that startup with OS bug.
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19:01:27 <DGMurdockIII> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/50895
19:02:24 <DGMurdockIII> dose that mean anything to you guy
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19:10:56 <aleth> DGMurdockIII: it looks like AOL won't let you login because it wants information from you
19:11:11 <DGMurdockIII> ok
19:11:40 <aleth> This guy seems to have had the same problem http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/14308
19:11:52 <aleth> You can see what he did in the comments
19:12:55 <DGMurdockIII> yeah i tryed the oppset of what they said
19:13:29 <DGMurdockIII> it was working with out having use client login checked
19:13:36 <aleth> Try resetting the password
19:14:00 <DGMurdockIII> like going aol and restting my password
19:14:08 <aleth> Yes, from all I can see it is an AOL-side issue.
19:14:43 <DGMurdockIII> what im getting now is error: unknown  reason
19:14:52 <DGMurdockIII> i would like to know why it can connect
19:14:56 <aleth> On their website?
19:15:07 <DGMurdockIII> on instantbird
19:15:13 <aleth> I don't think it's an Instantbird or libpurple problem
19:15:23 <DGMurdockIII> when i hit connect on aim that the error it shows
19:15:47 <DGMurdockIII> if it not
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19:16:29 <DGMurdockIII> instantbird or libpurple problem then there need to be some updates done so it will better tell you what the actally pruble is
19:16:51 <aleth> Try logging onto the AIM website and resetting the password, hopefully that will fix it
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19:17:30 <aleth> You can see all we get from AOL is "3019: Account not allowed"
19:17:35 <aleth> That's not very specific :P
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19:28:48 <aleth> DGMurdockIII: Apparently this is the password reset link https://account.login.aol.com/_cqr/opr/opr.psp?null
19:28:58 <DGMurdockIII> k
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19:37:10 <flo> clokep: if Andrew doesn't dislike my patch in bug 740499, I'll also need you to r or rs it ;)
19:38:07 <clokep> flo: And you think I'll just give it at the snap of your fingers?! :P
19:38:33 <flo> hmm... ?
19:38:47 <clokep> I think those changes are OK though. :)
19:39:02 <clokep> I'll be back in  a bit, feel free to ping me if you get an r+ from him!
19:39:32 <flo> I'm technically the module owner, so I think I can request a review from whoever I want; so I could pretend asuth's review is good enough if I wanted to avoid requesting it from you :-P
19:40:22 <flo> btw, I dislike that change, because it goes in the way of letting us separate the reading and writing parts of logger.js that we discussed a few weeks ago
19:40:44 <flo> but creating a new service for just that method would be overkill so I didn't do it :-|
19:41:20 <flo> I also dislike the changes in the other file (index_im.js) as it's clearly suboptimal for various reasons :(
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19:47:04 <flo> my touchpad doesn't work correctly, I'll try rebooting to see if it helps.
19:47:08 <flo> brb
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19:48:20 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1739 on bug 465.
19:48:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=465 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Unread status doesn't disappear when the tabbar-tab (instead of the content of the tab) had the focu
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19:55:52 <clokep> aleth: I'm probably not the best person to review that patch, but I'll take a look....
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19:56:15 <aleth> It fits with all the other tabbar papercut patches...
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19:56:57 <aleth> but I'm sure flo will take a look before he checks anything in anyway ;)
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19:57:51 <aleth> I think bug 1547 is the one that might be a  little trickier to review
19:57:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1547 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Check for open conversations when adding a buddy
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19:59:38 <flo> a macbook is way more usable with a working touchpad :)
19:59:55 <aleth> :)
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20:03:58 <flo> fwiw, I've looked at that patch quickly, and I don't see anything obviously wrog
20:04:00 <flo> *wrong
20:06:09 <flo> aleth: btw, have you seen http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/conversation.xml#917 ?
20:07:44 <flo> alright, r=me if you want/need it
20:07:48 <aleth> No, I missed that! Does that cover the special 'windows' type keys?
20:08:06 <flo> aleth: no. I was just wondering if we wanted to have things in sync
20:08:29 <flo> 400ms is completely arbitrary, right?
20:08:57 <flo> is it the first value you tried, or have you tried several values and tweaked it until you were satisfied?
20:09:53 <aleth> It's between "200ms seemed a bit too quick for people who repeat-keypress more slowly than me" and "500ms seems to be a bit too noticeable already"
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20:10:17 <aleth> Sure, I tried it, but the reviewer should see whether they agree ;)
20:12:35 <clokep> FeuerFliege: So I'm testing your patch and it seems to write the log correctly, but the menu item to view logs is disabled still?
20:13:01 <flo> aleth: I think that could be in a comment in the bug ;) "It's between "200ms seemed a bit too quick for people who repeat-keypress more slowly than me" and "500ms seems to be a bit too noticeable already""
20:13:19 <flo> "the reviewer should see whether they agree ;)" aren't nightly testers here for that? ;)
20:13:39 <flo> I don't think anybody will notice anyway
20:13:49 <flo> or we would have had more complaints about it being broken for probably years
20:13:54 <aleth> True :) I don't think anyone runs into that bug very often
20:14:05 <aleth> If I hadn't been fixing related things I wouldn't have bothered
20:14:12 <flo> I'm sure the old (pre 0.2) tabs had a timer for that
20:14:33 <flo> it's probably been broken since I changed the tabs, and that was in the summer of 2009, so 3 years ago...
20:16:12 <aleth> quite some time then ;)
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20:22:50 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 1739 on bug 465.
20:22:51 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1740 on bug 465.
20:22:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=465 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Unread status doesn't disappear when the tabbar-tab (instead of the content of the tab) had the focu
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20:38:14 <clokep> flo: Does that count as an "r-" from Andrew?
20:45:07 <flo> clokep: yeah... :-/
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20:47:18 <flo> wait, maybe not
20:47:21 * flo is confused
20:51:37 <flo> ohoh :) "WHOIS information for asuth: [...]Connected from: Instantbir@moz-BBE3ABD.mv.mozilla.com"
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22:05:18 <Mic> :o
22:05:31 <Mic> I can haz user media? :)
22:06:00 <clokep> What is "user media" anyway?
22:06:12 <Mic> http://mozillamediagoddess.org/2012/07/13/navigator-mozgetusermedia-has-just-landed-in-firefox-desktop-nightly-builds/
22:08:00 <clokep> Interesting.
22:09:34 <flo> clokep: so I think that patch will land (after I updated it a bit to address 2 nits)
22:10:02 <clokep> flo: OK. :)
22:10:52 <aleth> clokep: http://blog.gerv.net/2012/07/google-groups-fail/
22:12:02 <flo> clokep: I've been pondering for an hour whether it's too horrible to land, or horrible but acceptable ;
22:12:03 <flo> )
22:12:08 <clokep> aleth: I saw.
22:12:48 <aleth> flo: sleep on it? ;)
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22:14:54 <flo> clokep: I feel a bit bad for whoever will have the stupid idea for track the #fail keyword on twitter with Tb ;)
22:15:14 <flo> aleth: yeah, my plan is to address the nits, attach a new patch, and then sleep on it and land it tomorrow
22:15:46 <Mic> Cool, getUserMedia() it works :)
22:16:45 <Mic> -it
22:16:53 <clokep> flo: Special case that? :P
22:17:36 <flo> clokep: "that" = morons?
22:17:55 <clokep> :)
22:18:00 * flo wonders if Mic is in the process of adding webcam support for JS-XMPP
22:18:22 * clokep thought it might be IRC. :P
22:18:33 <Mic> Is there a spec for video-over-irc?
22:18:41 <clokep> Probably.
22:18:59 <flo> Mic: clokep may be editing one right now just for you ;)
22:19:01 <aleth> Probably there are 5, 3 of which are on servers that 404
22:19:02 <Mic> IF not you can still create one? ;)
22:19:23 <clokep> aleth: I always look at the docs locally, sorry for the 404s. :)
22:20:39 <Mic> Good point! wnayes, do you download the documentation you use for your importers?
22:20:53 <aleth> A smart move...
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22:23:04 <Mic> That's where I saw it and wondered if the docs will still be there when someone wants to read them next time ;)
22:23:06 <Mic> http://hg.instantbird.org/users/wnayes/rev/48fba1e694a0#l1.7
22:23:34 <aleth> Should there be http://hg.instantbird.org/specs ?
22:23:42 <clokep> I've been wondering if I can upload them in a docs folder actually.
22:23:52 <clokep> aleth: I'd prefer them with the code (I think Mozilla does that...)
22:24:31 <clokep> (chat/protocols/irc/doc)
22:24:37 <clokep> But I don't know the "license" of all the documents. :-/
22:24:39 <aleth> That would be better, yes
22:25:23 <flo> we would need to know the licences, yes
22:25:28 <flo> aren't RFC in the public domain?
22:27:00 <clokep> RFC are, yes.
22:27:44 <clokep> Well there's at least a DCC VOICE command.
22:27:49 <clokep> And I think some implications of a DCC VIDEO one...
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22:28:48 <aleth> Turns out KVIrc supports DCC Video chat
22:29:38 * aleth surprise
22:29:56 <clokep> aleth: Do you have a document on their site? I Just found a news article about it.
22:30:06 <clokep> (Their site kind of sucks. :-D)
22:31:52 <aleth> It does.
22:32:16 <aleth> The best I have found so far is the changelog https://svn.kvirc.de/kvirc/browser/trunk/kvirc/ChangeLog
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22:32:52 <clokep> With an invalid SSL cert? :P
22:32:58 <aleth> Indeed :P
22:33:32 <clokep> I'll probably just download the source...
22:33:40 <aleth> It doesn't seem to be a feature they advertise much...
22:33:53 <aleth> So I am sceptical as to how well it works ;)
22:34:24 <clokep> It supports avatars too apparently.
22:35:44 <clokep> Does it support typing notifications? :P
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22:36:57 <clokep> Anyone I need to go. Time to get dinner w/ some friends.
22:37:14 <clokep> flo: If you want me to look over that at some point let me know, but it seems OK (non-ideal, but OK) to me right now.
22:37:50 <flo> clokep: I'll put an r? flag for you when once I upload a new version
22:38:12 <flo> I don't need the review until I wake up (likely late) tomorrow morning, so you have 10+ hours ahead to flip the flag ;)
22:38:27 <clokep> OK. :)
22:38:30 <clokep> Goodnight!
22:38:44 <flo> I meant to flip the flag *without me noticing any delay*
22:39:00 <flo> clokep: thanks enjoy dinner with your friends :)
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23:29:16 <wnayes> Mic: I could download some of the importer docs. I try to comment a lot about the process as well.
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