#instantbird log on 07 09 2012

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03:02:20 <instant-buildbot> build #550 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/550
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04:48:01 <instant-buildbot> build #639 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/639
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06:07:02 <instant-buildbot> build #544 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/544
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11:51:41 <gaston> hi
11:52:12 <gaston> is there a tracking bug for enabling instantbird by default in tb ? iirc as of now it's preffed off (somewhere in about:config ?)
11:52:28 <clokep_work> You mean for enabling chat by default in Tb?
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11:52:38 <clokep_work> I don't think there is, but I think it's targeted for Tb 15.
11:53:07 <gaston> so in aurora it's enabled by default ?
11:53:39 <clokep_work> I believe so, but I run Daily so I'm not positive.
11:54:59 <gaston> that's okay i just wanted to see if it was planned for a "not too distant future" :)
11:55:34 <clokep_work> Tb 15 or Tb 16 I think, but Florian would know better (and I think he's still on vacation)...
11:56:28 <clokep_work> But I think you can always turn it on and use it anyway. ;)
12:00:11 <gaston> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735215 also seems to say tb15 is the target
12:02:19 <clokep_work> Some bugs also seem to be target tb16 though.
12:04:10 <clokep_work> I think I've finally caught up on my bugmail...
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12:57:48 <Mic> Does Bonjour have requirements beside IB? I'm getting an account error message here about being "[u]nable to find Apple's "Bonjour for Windows" toolkit".
13:01:00 <Kaishi> you need to have bonjour installed in windows
13:01:07 <FeuerFliege> Mic: yes, but isn’t there a link to a libpurple page? I am sure I translated a few strings about this issue
13:02:37 <Mic> Yes, there's a link (shouldn't we change that to something on our servers?).
13:03:07 <Mic> I was unsure if I'm supposed to see this message or if it should work out of the box for us (because we can do magic or so..)
13:04:16 <clokep_work> Mic: You have to have Bonjour for Windows installed.
13:04:38 <clokep_work> What do you see when you don't have it installed?
13:04:48 <clokep_work> Where does the link point to?
13:05:28 <FeuerFliege> Mic: It is to late for IB 1.2 but you can file a bug that we shouldn’t point to libpurple’s FAQ :)
13:05:51 <Mic> http://d.pigin.im/BonjourWindows
13:06:11 <Mic> http://d.pidgin.im/BonjourWindows
13:07:03 <FeuerFliege> which points to http://support.apple.com/kb/DL999?viewlocale=de_DE
13:07:34 <clokep_work> Yeah, we should point directly to the apple stuff I'd guess.
13:08:08 <clokep_work> Mic: Please file a bug.
13:11:27 <FeuerFliege> done for /l10n/de :)
13:12:15 <FeuerFliege> (changing the link not filing the bug)
13:12:56 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1574 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
13:12:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1574 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "'Bonjour for Windows'-toolkit not found" message should not point to Pidgin servers/FAQ
13:13:45 <Mic> We should try to get release notes ready, since they'll need to be translated as well, I'd say
13:17:34 <clokep_work> Thanks for filing the bug Mic.
13:17:48 <clokep_work> Yes, we do need release notes. Any interest in working on that a big?
13:17:50 <clokep_work> *bit
13:19:36 <Mic> I created a pad already :)
13:19:38 <Mic> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/Instantbird-Release-Notes-1-2
13:19:58 <clokep_work> FWIW I usually go through the status updates and see what's changed...but we've been bad about doing those. :(
13:20:01 <Mic> There's only a few things for help in there by now
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13:22:34 <clokep_work> All the instantbird.org sites are crawling for me right now. :-/
13:26:38 <Mic> Are we taking the new libpurple update before the release by the way?
13:27:24 <clokep_work> I have no idea, I'm not sure if it even has any changes for us.
13:28:10 <Mic> It seemed to be because of a security fix for a protocol that we don't support.
13:28:29 <clokep_work> 2.10.6 is actually out btw...
13:28:38 <clokep_work> http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ChangeLog
13:28:43 <Mic> A fix for the fix, yes ;)
13:29:10 <Mic> The most interesting thing was that I was directed to a Mercurial repo when following the link to the changeset :)
13:29:34 <clokep_work> It contains an MSN fix that we already have (compile fix by Florian), a MXit fix (we don't support), two Pidgin changes (we don't care about).
13:29:40 <clokep_work> And a fix for libpurple to use Gnome 3 proxies.
13:29:43 <clokep_work> Which we might want.
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13:45:24 <Mic> Cool, I didn't know that Etherpads had auto-correction of typos @clokep :P
13:45:40 <clokep_work> Wow, bug 759 had an awful lot of fallout. :(
13:45:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759 min, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, Reorganize purplexpcom
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13:46:39 <clokep_work> Anyone ever seen errors like this on Linux? http://pastebin.instantbird.com/50299
13:47:04 <clokep_work> Ubuntu 12.04.
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14:03:31 <Mic> This pad should be a good start :)
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15:11:28 <instantbot> New Websites - blog.instantbird.com (WordPress) bug 1575 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
15:11:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1575 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Blog down
15:12:08 <clokep_work> :(
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15:15:23 <clokep_work> Who was light green on the etherpad?
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15:18:12 <clokep_work> I think that list has pretty much everything now. :)
15:20:47 <Mic|web> What do you mean with "Needs to be expanded"?
15:21:01 <Mic|web> That there should be more information about this topic/point?
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15:22:22 <clokep_work> Mic|web: Yes.
15:22:37 <clokep_work> You have to remember that people reading this don't follow our development necessarily. :)
15:24:31 <Mic|web> Oh, I didn't meant this list to be the actual release notes. For me it was only a collection of the things that we need to write about.
15:24:48 * clokep_work is hoping it'll become the release notes. :)
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15:42:52 <aleth> clokep_work: Welcome back :)
15:43:17 <aleth> I've never seen a Linux error like that, but the first thing to check is probably "are the 32-bit libs present"
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15:44:25 <freaktechnik> hi
15:44:38 <clokep_work> aleth: How would I have him check that?
15:44:41 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: Hello.
15:44:51 <aleth> clokep_work: I'm not sure - it depends on the distro
15:45:14 <clokep_work> I did say Ubuntu. ;)
15:45:16 <aleth> But if he's not using 64-bit Linux, then it doesn't apply anyway
15:45:29 <aleth> I don't know 64 bit ubuntu ;)
15:45:47 <freaktechnik> uhm... is it a known bug, that instantbird displays the mumble overlay?
15:45:48 <aleth> Hmm, didn't I find a link for just that the other day?
15:45:52 <clokep_work> uname -m does it
15:46:10 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: It's a known bug (to us) in /mumble/, yes.
15:46:17 <aleth> http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-install-a-32bit-programme-in-64bit-ubuntu/
15:46:21 <freaktechnik> okay.
15:46:23 <freaktechnik> thx
15:46:35 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: You need to whitelist instantbird.exe to not have the overlay applied.
15:46:39 <clokep_work> I forget how to do it exactly though.
15:46:47 <clokep_work> I think they added it though -- are you running their newest version?
15:46:50 <freaktechnik> I have blacklisted it
15:46:54 <freaktechnik> yep
15:47:05 <freaktechnik> I have even disabled the overlay and it's still showing :D
15:47:53 <clokep_work> Did you restart both applications?
15:47:56 <aleth> clokep_work: Right, I just checked and missing 32-bit libs can cause "file not found" errors
15:48:02 <clokep_work> aleth: Thanks. :) He's running 64-bit.
15:48:07 <clokep_work> Thanks!
15:48:31 <aleth> (in fact what is not found is the interpreting library for the file)
15:49:19 <freaktechnik> Well, so you know it's not related to your code?
15:49:35 <freaktechnik> (nothing help to hide the overlay)
15:50:07 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: I'm fairly certain it's a mumble issue yes.
15:50:20 <clokep_work> Instantbird uses graphic acceleration for it's UI (just like Firefox and Thunderbird).
15:50:32 <clokep_work> Mumble apparently then thinks it's a game...but it's (obviously) not. :)
15:50:54 <clokep_work> Someone had this issue and reported it and I think they blacklisted instantbird, but I don't remember fully.
15:50:56 <freaktechnik> and the blacklist is bugged. Ok. I'll then hop to their irc. Thanks for the help :)
15:51:23 <clokep_work> You're welcome! Good luck. :)
15:51:37 <clokep_work> If you figure it out, come back and let us know? We've gotten questions a few times about mumble.
15:52:03 <freaktechnik> yeep
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15:53:17 <freaktechnik> (instantbird doesn't support irc protocol handling from the browser, huh?)
15:54:09 <Mic|web> freaktechnik: no, not yet
15:54:16 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: No, sorry. :(
15:54:25 <clokep_work> It's on my (very long) to do list!
15:54:35 <freaktechnik> :D
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16:45:30 <aleth> I wonder if there should be a "64bit?" entry in the FAQ.
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17:22:57 <clokep_work> aleth: For reference, the way I handle CAP message is pretty much identical to the way we handle an ISUPPORT message (although the code is fairly different).
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17:51:22 <freaktechnik> okay, looks like the blacklist works. If you force close the instantbird process still running in the background... :/
17:52:38 <freaktechnik> so all you have to do is blacklist instantbird.exe and restart instantbird and you're done.
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17:57:39 <Tonnes> so.. either the buildbot died, or it's away for holidays?
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17:58:52 <clokep_work> Tonnes: The machine shut off and Even and flo have been away on holiday.
17:59:49 <Tonnes> clokep_work: ah ok, thanks.. It doesn't mean there's no build for some locales, right?
18:00:02 <Tonnes> though it would be useful for testing of course
18:01:15 <clokep_work> Yes, it wans't planned this way of course. :(
18:01:31 <clokep_work> flo or Even should be back soon? I think...
18:02:03 <Tonnes> ok, no problem
18:02:11 <Even> I'm back.
18:02:27 <Even> I got home yesterday and here I am.
18:02:27 <Tonnes> hi
18:02:40 <Even> We had nightlies this night because I restarted by box.
18:02:47 <Even> I'm afraid we had a power outage.
18:02:50 <Even> That explains a lot.
18:02:51 <Even> :)
18:03:04 <Tonnes> can happen :)
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18:03:50 <Tonnes> i noticed the build allright, bit was wondeirng about starting a force build
18:03:56 <Tonnes> but
18:04:18 <clokep_work> Ah, welcome back. :)
18:04:32 <Even> I found out the l10n buildbot was dead.
18:04:33 <Even> I restarted it.
18:04:38 <Even> It looks better now.
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18:05:00 <Tonnes> hey, it's working :)
18:05:23 <Even> I'm starting the linux slave (that also is responsible for building the translation packs) to let all translators work a little more/
18:05:31 <Even> Hope this will help.
18:05:54 <Even> Starting right now :)
18:06:14 <Tonnes> yeah you could say that again :)
18:06:25 <Even> ??
18:06:52 <Tonnes> isn;t that a phrase for "you are absolutely right" in English?
18:07:02 <Even> It should be online in a couple of seconds/minutes.
18:07:09 <Even> online
18:07:16 <Even> right now building a pack :)
18:07:24 <Tonnes> ok, so then I can press Force build?
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18:07:59 <Even> If you were given permission by flo to do so then yes you can.
18:08:32 <Tonnes> well, Feuerfliege says so in an email
18:08:58 <clokep_work> If you can push to a l10n repo you should be able to force a build, yes.
18:09:14 <Tonnes> ok, let's see what happens
18:09:18 <Even> You have to enter your locale name in "branch"
18:09:24 <Even> let's say en-US for exmple
18:09:36 <Tonnes> yes, nl in this case
18:09:38 <Even> not the language in full chars (American English)
18:09:42 <Even> Yep.
18:10:07 <Even> If you omit the branch it will fail.
18:10:20 <Tonnes> it said "Boom"
18:10:23 <Tonnes> :)
18:10:58 <Even> ^
18:11:00 <Even> ^^
18:11:05 <Even> Looks like it is running properly.
18:11:22 <Even> And better looks like it worked xD
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18:12:15 <Even> Hope I helped.
18:12:29 <Tonnes> yes sure, thanks
18:12:56 <Tonnes> here's the stupid question: how do I know if it worked?
18:14:38 <Tonnes> oh I got it, 637
18:15:43 <igorko> hi Could anyone remember me language packs folder?
18:16:10 <Tonnes> same question here :)
18:16:11 <igorko> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/l10n/
18:16:15 <igorko>  works :)
18:16:26 <igorko> easy to guess ;)
18:17:28 <Tonnes> yeah, but hard to find using http :) - thanks!
18:18:21 <igorko> rebooting gui
18:18:47 <igorko> hm
18:19:02 <igorko> Tonnes: also we need to activate lang via options...
18:19:44 <Tonnes> igorko: ah, clear..
18:19:54 <igorko> and I have already forgot command
18:19:56 <igorko> moment
18:21:04 <clokep_work> If there's things you forget, etc. add them to the l10n FAQ on the wiki.
18:22:04 <Tonnes> boohoo.. doesn;t run on w2k :/
18:22:13 <Tonnes> (naturally)
18:22:41 <igorko> clokep_work: tell me,how to run about vonfig :p
18:22:44 <igorko> config
18:23:26 <clokep_work> igorko: It's in the same place as all other mozilla apps.
18:23:44 <igorko> i know
18:23:53 <igorko> I'm not using it last time
18:24:10 <igorko> about:config doesn;t work
18:24:23 <igorko> there was some open "" IIRC
18:25:16 <igorko> well faq rocks!! I even did translate that :)
18:25:54 <clokep_work> igorko: What? You can openDialog("about:config") in the error console, but I don't know why you'd do that.
18:25:59 <clokep_work> You can get to it from the settings menu.
18:26:21 <igorko> yup, found it It also should be somewhere in da interface
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18:28:14 <clokep_work> igorko: What do you mean "should be somewhere in da interface"?
18:28:18 <clokep_work> It /is/ in the interface.
18:28:38 <igorko> Tonnes: general.useragent.locale doe the stuff
18:28:48 <igorko> clokep_work: yup, yup :p
18:28:54 <igorko> does the*
18:29:03 <Tonnes> ok
18:30:18 <Tonnes> works!
18:30:32 * Tonnes dances around the table
18:30:49 <igorko> you rock ;)
18:31:23 <Tonnes> and you ;)
18:34:59 <igorko> clokep_work: don't worry, you rock to :D
18:35:15 <igorko> too*
18:35:24 <igorko> instantbot: you rock
18:35:25 * instantbot smiles
18:36:02 <igorko> I like that guy :)
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19:02:18 <clokep_work> :) Hopefully all the locales will be ready for release! Whenever that is...
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19:04:09 <Tonnes> it looks pretty well here.. can;t connect to irc though, and I see some errors in teh console, though they might be related to using the langpack
19:04:38 <Tonnes> the interface is ok, you've done well improving it (and its features)!
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19:15:41 <clokep_work> Yay netsplits!
19:15:50 <clokep_work> Tonnes: If you have errors, paste 'em somewhere or file a bug.
19:16:13 <aleth> lxr is down?
19:16:24 <aleth> (the backend, not the site)
19:18:49 <clokep_work> Maybe?
19:19:24 <aleth> maybe some power outage side effect, Even?
19:21:11 <clokep_work> The blog is also down according to Mic.
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19:25:40 <aleth> There goes America...
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19:33:49 <Tonnes> is it me, or doesn't irc work for IB?
19:34:11 <aleth> What doesn't work?
19:34:16 <aleth> It should work fine :)
19:34:34 <Tonnes> cannot connect 
19:34:44 <aleth> What are you connecting to?
19:34:51 <Tonnes> irc.mozilla.org
19:34:59 <Tonnes> either 6667 without or 6697 with ssl
19:35:16 <aleth> And what happens?
19:35:23 <Tonnes> waiting for connection, no result
19:35:29 <Tonnes> msn works
19:35:43 <aleth> IRC should work too
19:35:49 <Tonnes> then it is me :)
19:35:54 <aleth> Maybe it's because one of the irc.mozilla.org sites is down atm
19:36:02 <aleth> Can you connect to freenode?
19:36:19 <Tonnes> nope
19:36:22 <aleth> or try gravel.mozilla.org instead of irc.mozilla.org
19:36:53 <aleth> Is it possible you are blocking those ports somehow?
19:37:02 <aleth> (Firewall...)
19:37:19 <aleth> Or is there anything in the error console?
19:37:22 <Tonnes> I;m behind a router, but haven't had to set up any rules for chatzilla
19:37:43 <aleth> I don't know how chatzilla works internally
19:37:55 <Tonnes> hmm uses FX I guess
19:39:03 <Tonnes> must be the firewall in some way
19:39:27 <aleth> If you can't connect to any IRC server, I can't see what else it could be :(
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19:40:09 <aleth> But I'm surprised because I doubt chatzilla goes via HTTP
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19:40:25 <Mook_as> it could be the code is broken ;) (unlikely, I know...)
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19:40:36 <Tonnes> :) :)
19:40:42 <aleth> It could be... 
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19:42:41 <aleth> You aren't trying to enter the channel name in the account configuration by any chance? (Apart from in the autojoin field, where it's allowed)
19:42:52 <clokep_work> Did anyone else get the global message that was sent out? But actually got it in Instantbird?
19:42:58 <clokep_work> I'm curious how it looked.
19:43:03 <aleth> I got it
19:43:11 <aleth> DM sent by "Global"
19:43:57 <clokep_work> OK. :)
19:43:58 <clokep_work> Good.
19:44:19 <aleth> Though really if the people actually on concrete didn't get it, I'm not sure it fulfilled its intended purpose ;)
19:44:50 <clokep_work> It was telling people on gravel to reconnect, so it was probably only send to gravel.
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19:45:21 <aleth> No, it was about concrete: "[lerxst] Sorry for the short notice, the IRC server concrete.mozilla.org needs to go down for emergency maintenance. It will be back within 20 minutes. In the meantime, you can try connecting to gravel.mozilla.org. During this outage, ChanServ, NickServ, etc, will be unavailable. If you have questions, please ask in #it."
19:45:33 <clokep_work> Ah, you're right. :)
19:45:36 <clokep_work> My bad.
19:45:47 <clokep_work> I think I was on concrete though...
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19:46:07 <clokep_work> Who knows...
19:47:12 <clokep_work> Tonnes: Without the errors in the error console, I can't help you figure out what's up w/ IRC.
19:47:16 <clokep_work> No one else has had issues though.
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20:04:04 <Tonnes> colkep_work: I only see this: Tijdstempel: 9-7-2012 21:41:49 - Fout: Connection closed by server. - Bronbestand: jar:file:///C:/Program%20Files/instantbird/omni.ja!/components/irc.js - Regel: 497 - Broncode: - irc
20:04:14 <Tonnes> clokep_work ^
20:04:22 <Tonnes> it's today;s build btw
20:04:43 <Tonnes> disabled windows firewall, no luck
20:04:57 <clokep_work> I haven't tried today's build yet.
20:05:07 <clokep_work> But nothing has changed. :P
20:05:16 <Tonnes> hmm
20:05:43 <clokep_work> Maybe turn on verbose logging?
20:06:05 <Tonnes> show server messages?
20:06:06 <aleth> "Connection closed by server" suggests you connected but irc.mozilla.org wouldn't let you continue
20:06:54 <clokep_work> No, there's something you have to flip in about:config, maybe aleth knows the pref name.
20:07:19 * aleth looks it up
20:07:27 <aleth> purple.debug.loglevel
20:07:30 <aleth> set it to 1
20:08:09 <aleth> then restart, make a new account, and try to connect
20:08:15 <Tonnes> ok
20:08:25 <aleth> try using a different nick too
20:08:37 <aleth> (though that shouldn't be what's causing it really)
20:11:15 <clokep_work> You should then see a lot of stuff in the error console (every message sent to and from the server).
20:11:20 <clokep_work> I don't think you have to restart though?
20:12:05 <Tonnes> last message appears to be Tijdstempel: 9-7-2012 22:10:57 Waarschuwing: onTransportStatus(STATUS_SENDING_TO)  - Bronbestand: resource:///modules/socket.jsm - Regel: 374 - Broncode: - irc
20:12:29 <Tonnes> I didn;t try en-US thoug, could that make a difference?
20:13:42 <clokep_work> It shouldn.t
20:13:51 <clokep_work> I'm not interested in the last message, I'm interested in all of them.
20:14:00 <Tonnes> eventloop: purple_upnp_discover_timeout
20:14:02 <clokep_work> Whihc is difficult, yes.
20:14:09 <clokep_work> Well...all the ones that say IRC. ;)
20:14:16 <clokep_work> If you could put them in pastebin.instantbird.org, that'd be great.
20:15:10 <Tonnes> ok
20:15:38 <Tonnes> interesting is, I just enabled upnp on the router
20:17:39 <clokep_work> And...? :P
20:17:50 <clokep_work> (You had disabled upnp? Anything works w/ that disabled? ;))
20:17:53 <Tonnes> ouch... it says it's using my proxy, even though it's not set in Options
20:18:08 <Tonnes> yeah I never use upnp :)
20:18:16 <clokep_work> Weird.
20:18:23 <clokep_work> "not set in Options"?
20:18:35 <clokep_work> IRC uses the proxy that the "application" uses by the way, it doesn't use the one for protocols.
20:19:19 <Tonnes> ?
20:19:36 <Tonnes> argh
20:19:57 <Tonnes> For everything else... use system proxy settings. :( :(
20:20:11 * Tonnes hates that setting
20:20:46 <Tonnes> sorry guys..
20:20:57 <aleth> What setting?
20:21:02 <clokep_work> Do you use an HTTP proxy?
20:21:31 <aleth> You are looking at Preferences -> Advanced -> Network I guess?
20:21:33 <Tonnes> for http yes, not for the rest ( a pac file to be precise)
20:22:23 <Tonnes> IB uses 2 settings, the top one was set to no proxy, but I overlooked the For everyting else setting, which defaults to Use system proxy settings - that one uses the pac as well
20:22:35 <clokep_work> You're probably running into bug 1347
20:22:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1347 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, socket.jsm based protocols shouldn't attempt to use HTTP proxies
20:22:46 <Tonnes> never understood why Mozilla uses that one
20:23:03 <aleth> It's also a bit confusing if IRC uses the "everything else" settings though...
20:23:37 <clokep_work> aleth: Why?
20:24:08 <aleth> Because "To connect accounts" is the obvious thing that would apply :D
20:24:09 <Tonnes> I'd presume the one "used for accounts" is the one we use, but the protocols are concerned to be part of that, right?
20:24:28 <Tonnes> not part of the accounts I mean
20:24:42 <clokep_work> Ah, is that a category as well?
20:24:53 <clokep_work> Hmm...I think that's a purple proxy though.
20:25:08 <clokep_work> There's a bug to unify all this crap into a set of settings that make sense.
20:25:17 <aleth> If IRC really uses the "everything else" setting, then that's completely impossible for a user to figure out
20:25:30 <Tonnes> mpe
20:25:47 <aleth> Maybe it's just that the strings are wrong...
20:25:53 <aleth> (now we have JS protos)
20:26:42 <clokep_work> It's not just IRC, XMPP will also use it.
20:27:00 <aleth> You mean Gtalk and FB ;)
20:27:23 <clokep_work> You know what I meant. :P
20:27:45 <aleth> Maybe that bug should be bumped for 1.3...
20:28:01 <clokep_work> "bumped for 1.3"?
20:28:18 <aleth> 1.3-wanted or blocking
20:28:40 <clokep_work> If it's <1.3-wanted or blocking it's implied for 1.3. ;)
20:28:45 <Tonnes> bug or feature? :)
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20:29:33 <aleth> It's the sort of thing one might forget though... after all nobody remembered in time for 1.2
20:31:03 <clokep_work> Remembered? We just don't have a good solution for it. :P
20:31:06 <clokep_work> I've known it's an issue.
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20:31:37 <aleth> One could at least change the strings, even if that's ugly, at least it would be correct.
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20:32:40 <Tonnes2> boo
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20:34:48 <Tonnes> soryy again for wasting your time guys, thanks for the help though. Hope it was helful for you too..
20:35:00 <clokep_work> tonnes: It's not a waste of time if you're having an issue.
20:35:15 <aleth> Well, I for one didn't know it was an issue either ;) so thanks :)
20:35:40 <clokep_work> aleth: Ah, you meant the unify proxies? I thought you meant the HTTP proxy issue.
20:35:59 <aleth> Yes
20:36:28 <clokep_work> Yeah....I think that was something we wanted for 0.3. Err...1.0. ;)
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21:08:13 <Mic> Is this maybe the same problem I ran into at the library computer, i.e. having to set proxy explicitely to none to get IRC working?
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21:08:46 <Mic> (While "Use system settings" didn't work)
21:16:48 <Tonnes_ib> I guess so, yes
21:17:07 <clokep_work> Right, but we should ignore HTTP proxies anyway (probably).
21:17:40 <EionRobb> why should you ignore http proxies for irc?
21:17:52 <clokep_work> How does using an HTTP proxy make any sense for IRC?
21:18:57 <EionRobb> you can use CONNECT HTTP connections to establish a TCP stream.  some companies only have HTTP access and you need to proxy through
21:19:24 <clokep_work> Hmm...any documentation on this?
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21:25:44 <Mic> Oh, the view with the "timeline slider" for etherpads also contains a full list of authors with their colors :)
21:25:47 <Tonnes> I often use a pac file for ad blocking, and have it set in IE / Internet options. When FX or antother Mozilla product uses (Use system proxy), it grabs tha pac file and uses it for all protocols, as if it was set manually with the option (use xx for all protocols. I.o.w. maybe it's not really abouit why IRC uses http, but why it is able to use a system wide proxy that takes care of all...
21:25:47 <Tonnes> ...protocols? After all, this is the general proxy GUI part we're talking about, and its behaviour..
21:26:24 <clokep_work> There's two different issues here.
21:26:36 <clokep_work> (Btw I have no idea what a "pac" file is, I assume it's a proxy configuration.)
21:26:43 <Tonnes> yes
21:28:09 <Tonnes> similar issue when choosing Use this proxy for all protocols and entering one http proxy - chatzilla can't connect either in such case
21:28:12 <EionRobb> clokep_work: no, I don't have any docs on me, this is just knowledge in my head from http proxy testing stuff while RE'ing
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23:52:58 <clokep> It seems like none of my strings are working. :-S
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