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00:12:17 <-- Tomek has quit (Ping timeout) 00:44:33 <-- Bollebib has quit (Connection reset by peer) 01:18:36 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 03:02:20 <instant-buildbot> build #550 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/550 03:14:58 --> wesj1 has joined #instantbird 03:15:09 <-- wesj1 has quit (Quit: wesj1) 04:30:48 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 04:44:10 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 04:48:01 <instant-buildbot> build #639 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/639 05:14:48 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 05:21:07 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 05:31:50 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 05:41:08 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 05:43:19 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 05:51:29 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 06:07:02 <instant-buildbot> build #544 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/544 06:30:33 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (Ping timeout) 06:35:07 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 07:16:06 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 07:16:09 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Input/output error) 07:17:46 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 07:18:39 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 07:18:39 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 07:18:55 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 07:28:00 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 08:00:33 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 08:25:19 <-- sonny has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 08:25:24 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 08:33:24 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:33:24 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:08:40 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 09:08:49 --> Even has joined #instantbird 09:08:49 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:24:57 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 09:27:56 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout) 09:33:47 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 10:05:25 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 10:07:04 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 10:07:05 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 10:09:16 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 10:17:00 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 10:36:37 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 10:37:10 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 10:50:00 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 11:04:01 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:04:05 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 11:04:31 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:04:35 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 11:42:16 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:42:16 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 11:51:37 --> gaston has joined #instantbird 11:51:41 <gaston> hi 11:52:12 <gaston> is there a tracking bug for enabling instantbird by default in tb ? iirc as of now it's preffed off (somewhere in about:config ?) 11:52:28 <clokep_work> You mean for enabling chat by default in Tb? 11:52:35 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 11:52:35 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 11:52:38 <clokep_work> I don't think there is, but I think it's targeted for Tb 15. 11:53:07 <gaston> so in aurora it's enabled by default ? 11:53:39 <clokep_work> I believe so, but I run Daily so I'm not positive. 11:54:59 <gaston> that's okay i just wanted to see if it was planned for a "not too distant future" :) 11:55:34 <clokep_work> Tb 15 or Tb 16 I think, but Florian would know better (and I think he's still on vacation)... 11:56:28 <clokep_work> But I think you can always turn it on and use it anyway. ;) 12:00:11 <gaston> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735215 also seems to say tb15 is the target 12:02:19 <clokep_work> Some bugs also seem to be target tb16 though. 12:04:10 <clokep_work> I think I've finally caught up on my bugmail... 12:36:18 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:36:28 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:36:28 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 12:46:10 <-- Kaishi has quit (Ping timeout) 12:49:45 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 12:51:16 --> Lalae has joined #instantbird 12:51:27 <-- Lalae has left #instantbird () 12:53:21 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 12:53:26 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 12:57:48 <Mic> Does Bonjour have requirements beside IB? I'm getting an account error message here about being "[u]nable to find Apple's "Bonjour for Windows" toolkit". 13:01:00 <Kaishi> you need to have bonjour installed in windows 13:01:07 <FeuerFliege> Mic: yes, but isnât there a link to a libpurple page? I am sure I translated a few strings about this issue 13:02:37 <Mic> Yes, there's a link (shouldn't we change that to something on our servers?). 13:03:07 <Mic> I was unsure if I'm supposed to see this message or if it should work out of the box for us (because we can do magic or so..) 13:04:16 <clokep_work> Mic: You have to have Bonjour for Windows installed. 13:04:38 <clokep_work> What do you see when you don't have it installed? 13:04:48 <clokep_work> Where does the link point to? 13:05:28 <FeuerFliege> Mic: It is to late for IB 1.2 but you can file a bug that we shouldnât point to libpurpleâs FAQ :) 13:05:51 <Mic> http://d.pigin.im/BonjourWindows 13:06:11 <Mic> http://d.pidgin.im/BonjourWindows 13:07:03 <FeuerFliege> which points to http://support.apple.com/kb/DL999?viewlocale=de_DE 13:07:34 <clokep_work> Yeah, we should point directly to the apple stuff I'd guess. 13:08:08 <clokep_work> Mic: Please file a bug. 13:11:27 <FeuerFliege> done for /l10n/de :) 13:12:15 <FeuerFliege> (changing the link not filing the bug) 13:12:56 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1574 filed by benediktp@ymail.com. 13:12:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1574 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "'Bonjour for Windows'-toolkit not found" message should not point to Pidgin servers/FAQ 13:13:45 <Mic> We should try to get release notes ready, since they'll need to be translated as well, I'd say 13:17:34 <clokep_work> Thanks for filing the bug Mic. 13:17:48 <clokep_work> Yes, we do need release notes. Any interest in working on that a big? 13:17:50 <clokep_work> *bit 13:19:36 <Mic> I created a pad already :) 13:19:38 <Mic> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/Instantbird-Release-Notes-1-2 13:19:58 <clokep_work> FWIW I usually go through the status updates and see what's changed...but we've been bad about doing those. :( 13:20:01 <Mic> There's only a few things for help in there by now 13:22:04 <-- Kaishi has quit (Ping timeout) 13:22:29 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 13:22:34 <clokep_work> All the instantbird.org sites are crawling for me right now. :-/ 13:26:38 <Mic> Are we taking the new libpurple update before the release by the way? 13:27:24 <clokep_work> I have no idea, I'm not sure if it even has any changes for us. 13:28:10 <Mic> It seemed to be because of a security fix for a protocol that we don't support. 13:28:29 <clokep_work> 2.10.6 is actually out btw... 13:28:38 <clokep_work> http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ChangeLog 13:28:43 <Mic> A fix for the fix, yes ;) 13:29:10 <Mic> The most interesting thing was that I was directed to a Mercurial repo when following the link to the changeset :) 13:29:34 <clokep_work> It contains an MSN fix that we already have (compile fix by Florian), a MXit fix (we don't support), two Pidgin changes (we don't care about). 13:29:40 <clokep_work> And a fix for libpurple to use Gnome 3 proxies. 13:29:43 <clokep_work> Which we might want. 13:34:59 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 13:37:43 <-- Even has quit (Ping timeout) 13:45:24 <Mic> Cool, I didn't know that Etherpads had auto-correction of typos @clokep :P 13:45:40 <clokep_work> Wow, bug 759 had an awful lot of fallout. :( 13:45:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759 min, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, Reorganize purplexpcom 13:46:14 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 13:46:39 <clokep_work> Anyone ever seen errors like this on Linux? http://pastebin.instantbird.com/50299 13:47:04 <clokep_work> Ubuntu 12.04. 13:57:55 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 14:00:47 --> Even has joined #instantbird 14:00:47 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 14:02:38 <-- Even has quit (Ping timeout) 14:03:31 <Mic> This pad should be a good start :) 14:05:43 --> Even has joined #instantbird 14:05:44 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 14:10:49 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 14:18:21 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 14:18:45 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 14:19:05 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 14:21:54 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout) 14:26:07 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 14:32:49 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 14:53:04 <-- wesj has quit (Input/output error) 14:53:08 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 15:06:11 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 15:11:28 <instantbot> New Websites - blog.instantbird.com (WordPress) bug 1575 filed by benediktp@ymail.com. 15:11:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1575 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Blog down 15:12:08 <clokep_work> :( 15:15:16 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:15:23 <clokep_work> Who was light green on the etherpad? 15:17:21 --> Mic|web has joined #instantbird 15:18:12 <clokep_work> I think that list has pretty much everything now. :) 15:20:47 <Mic|web> What do you mean with "Needs to be expanded"? 15:21:01 <Mic|web> That there should be more information about this topic/point? 15:21:33 <-- meh has quit (Quit: I don't want to live on this planet anymore.) 15:21:45 --> Even has joined #instantbird 15:21:45 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 15:22:22 <clokep_work> Mic|web: Yes. 15:22:37 <clokep_work> You have to remember that people reading this don't follow our development necessarily. :) 15:24:31 <Mic|web> Oh, I didn't meant this list to be the actual release notes. For me it was only a collection of the things that we need to write about. 15:24:48 * clokep_work is hoping it'll become the release notes. :) 15:40:48 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 15:40:48 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 15:42:52 <aleth> clokep_work: Welcome back :) 15:43:17 <aleth> I've never seen a Linux error like that, but the first thing to check is probably "are the 32-bit libs present" 15:44:21 --> freaktechnik has joined #instantbird 15:44:25 <freaktechnik> hi 15:44:38 <clokep_work> aleth: How would I have him check that? 15:44:41 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: Hello. 15:44:51 <aleth> clokep_work: I'm not sure - it depends on the distro 15:45:14 <clokep_work> I did say Ubuntu. ;) 15:45:16 <aleth> But if he's not using 64-bit Linux, then it doesn't apply anyway 15:45:29 <aleth> I don't know 64 bit ubuntu ;) 15:45:47 <freaktechnik> uhm... is it a known bug, that instantbird displays the mumble overlay? 15:45:48 <aleth> Hmm, didn't I find a link for just that the other day? 15:45:52 <clokep_work> uname -m does it 15:46:10 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: It's a known bug (to us) in /mumble/, yes. 15:46:17 <aleth> http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-install-a-32bit-programme-in-64bit-ubuntu/ 15:46:21 <freaktechnik> okay. 15:46:23 <freaktechnik> thx 15:46:35 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: You need to whitelist instantbird.exe to not have the overlay applied. 15:46:39 <clokep_work> I forget how to do it exactly though. 15:46:47 <clokep_work> I think they added it though -- are you running their newest version? 15:46:50 <freaktechnik> I have blacklisted it 15:46:54 <freaktechnik> yep 15:47:05 <freaktechnik> I have even disabled the overlay and it's still showing :D 15:47:53 <clokep_work> Did you restart both applications? 15:47:56 <aleth> clokep_work: Right, I just checked and missing 32-bit libs can cause "file not found" errors 15:48:02 <clokep_work> aleth: Thanks. :) He's running 64-bit. 15:48:07 <clokep_work> Thanks! 15:48:31 <aleth> (in fact what is not found is the interpreting library for the file) 15:49:19 <freaktechnik> Well, so you know it's not related to your code? 15:49:35 <freaktechnik> (nothing help to hide the overlay) 15:50:07 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: I'm fairly certain it's a mumble issue yes. 15:50:20 <clokep_work> Instantbird uses graphic acceleration for it's UI (just like Firefox and Thunderbird). 15:50:32 <clokep_work> Mumble apparently then thinks it's a game...but it's (obviously) not. :) 15:50:54 <clokep_work> Someone had this issue and reported it and I think they blacklisted instantbird, but I don't remember fully. 15:50:56 <freaktechnik> and the blacklist is bugged. Ok. I'll then hop to their irc. Thanks for the help :) 15:51:23 <clokep_work> You're welcome! Good luck. :) 15:51:37 <clokep_work> If you figure it out, come back and let us know? We've gotten questions a few times about mumble. 15:52:03 <freaktechnik> yeep 15:52:49 <-- wesj has quit (Input/output error) 15:52:50 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 15:53:17 <freaktechnik> (instantbird doesn't support irc protocol handling from the browser, huh?) 15:54:09 <Mic|web> freaktechnik: no, not yet 15:54:16 <clokep_work> freaktechnik: No, sorry. :( 15:54:25 <clokep_work> It's on my (very long) to do list! 15:54:35 <freaktechnik> :D 16:00:29 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 16:17:50 <-- Mic|web has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 16:27:35 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:28:50 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:34:11 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:42:45 <-- Kaishi has quit (Ping timeout) 16:43:14 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 16:45:30 <aleth> I wonder if there should be a "64bit?" entry in the FAQ. 16:46:14 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 16:46:44 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 16:46:47 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 16:47:52 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 16:47:52 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 16:49:39 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 16:49:39 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 16:58:25 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 17:12:42 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 17:20:56 --> Even has joined #instantbird 17:20:57 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 17:22:57 <clokep_work> aleth: For reference, the way I handle CAP message is pretty much identical to the way we handle an ISUPPORT message (although the code is fairly different). 17:35:14 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 17:48:30 <-- freaktechnik has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 17:49:46 --> freaktechnik has joined #instantbird 17:51:22 <freaktechnik> okay, looks like the blacklist works. If you force close the instantbird process still running in the background... :/ 17:52:38 <freaktechnik> so all you have to do is blacklist instantbird.exe and restart instantbird and you're done. 17:52:41 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Quit: Leaving) 17:53:13 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 17:53:18 <-- freaktechnik has left #instantbird () 17:53:25 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 17:55:53 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Client exited) 17:57:25 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 17:57:39 <Tonnes> so.. either the buildbot died, or it's away for holidays? 17:58:06 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:58:52 <clokep_work> Tonnes: The machine shut off and Even and flo have been away on holiday. 17:59:49 <Tonnes> clokep_work: ah ok, thanks.. It doesn't mean there's no build for some locales, right? 18:00:02 <Tonnes> though it would be useful for testing of course 18:01:15 <clokep_work> Yes, it wans't planned this way of course. :( 18:01:31 <clokep_work> flo or Even should be back soon? I think... 18:02:03 <Tonnes> ok, no problem 18:02:11 <Even> I'm back. 18:02:27 <Even> I got home yesterday and here I am. 18:02:27 <Tonnes> hi 18:02:40 <Even> We had nightlies this night because I restarted by box. 18:02:47 <Even> I'm afraid we had a power outage. 18:02:50 <Even> That explains a lot. 18:02:51 <Even> :) 18:03:04 <Tonnes> can happen :) 18:03:05 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 18:03:50 <Tonnes> i noticed the build allright, bit was wondeirng about starting a force build 18:03:56 <Tonnes> but 18:04:18 <clokep_work> Ah, welcome back. :) 18:04:32 <Even> I found out the l10n buildbot was dead. 18:04:33 <Even> I restarted it. 18:04:38 <Even> It looks better now. 18:04:46 <-- sonny has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:05:00 <Tonnes> hey, it's working :) 18:05:23 <Even> I'm starting the linux slave (that also is responsible for building the translation packs) to let all translators work a little more/ 18:05:31 <Even> Hope this will help. 18:05:54 <Even> Starting right now :) 18:06:14 <Tonnes> yeah you could say that again :) 18:06:25 <Even> ?? 18:06:52 <Tonnes> isn;t that a phrase for "you are absolutely right" in English? 18:07:02 <Even> It should be online in a couple of seconds/minutes. 18:07:09 <Even> online 18:07:16 <Even> right now building a pack :) 18:07:24 <Tonnes> ok, so then I can press Force build? 18:07:43 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:07:59 <Even> If you were given permission by flo to do so then yes you can. 18:08:32 <Tonnes> well, Feuerfliege says so in an email 18:08:58 <clokep_work> If you can push to a l10n repo you should be able to force a build, yes. 18:09:14 <Tonnes> ok, let's see what happens 18:09:18 <Even> You have to enter your locale name in "branch" 18:09:24 <Even> let's say en-US for exmple 18:09:36 <Tonnes> yes, nl in this case 18:09:38 <Even> not the language in full chars (American English) 18:09:42 <Even> Yep. 18:10:07 <Even> If you omit the branch it will fail. 18:10:20 <Tonnes> it said "Boom" 18:10:23 <Tonnes> :) 18:10:58 <Even> ^ 18:11:00 <Even> ^^ 18:11:05 <Even> Looks like it is running properly. 18:11:22 <Even> And better looks like it worked xD 18:11:33 --> meh has joined #instantbird 18:12:15 <Even> Hope I helped. 18:12:29 <Tonnes> yes sure, thanks 18:12:56 <Tonnes> here's the stupid question: how do I know if it worked? 18:14:38 <Tonnes> oh I got it, 637 18:15:43 <igorko> hi Could anyone remember me language packs folder? 18:16:10 <Tonnes> same question here :) 18:16:11 <igorko> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/l10n/ 18:16:15 <igorko> works :) 18:16:26 <igorko> easy to guess ;) 18:17:28 <Tonnes> yeah, but hard to find using http :) - thanks! 18:18:21 <igorko> rebooting gui 18:18:47 <igorko> hm 18:19:02 <igorko> Tonnes: also we need to activate lang via options... 18:19:44 <Tonnes> igorko: ah, clear.. 18:19:54 <igorko> and I have already forgot command 18:19:56 <igorko> moment 18:21:04 <clokep_work> If there's things you forget, etc. add them to the l10n FAQ on the wiki. 18:22:04 <Tonnes> boohoo.. doesn;t run on w2k :/ 18:22:13 <Tonnes> (naturally) 18:22:41 <igorko> clokep_work: tell me,how to run about vonfig :p 18:22:44 <igorko> config 18:23:26 <clokep_work> igorko: It's in the same place as all other mozilla apps. 18:23:44 <igorko> i know 18:23:53 <igorko> I'm not using it last time 18:24:10 <igorko> about:config doesn;t work 18:24:23 <igorko> there was some open "" IIRC 18:25:16 <igorko> well faq rocks!! I even did translate that :) 18:25:54 <clokep_work> igorko: What? You can openDialog("about:config") in the error console, but I don't know why you'd do that. 18:25:59 <clokep_work> You can get to it from the settings menu. 18:26:21 <igorko> yup, found it It also should be somewhere in da interface 18:27:45 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 18:28:00 <-- igorko has quit (Client exited) 18:28:06 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:28:14 <clokep_work> igorko: What do you mean "should be somewhere in da interface"? 18:28:18 <clokep_work> It /is/ in the interface. 18:28:38 <igorko> Tonnes: general.useragent.locale doe the stuff 18:28:48 <igorko> clokep_work: yup, yup :p 18:28:54 <igorko> does the* 18:29:03 <Tonnes> ok 18:30:18 <Tonnes> works! 18:30:32 * Tonnes dances around the table 18:30:49 <igorko> you rock ;) 18:31:23 <Tonnes> and you ;) 18:34:59 <igorko> clokep_work: don't worry, you rock to :D 18:35:15 <igorko> too* 18:35:24 <igorko> instantbot: you rock 18:35:25 * instantbot smiles 18:36:02 <igorko> I like that guy :) 18:47:52 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 18:50:07 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 18:50:45 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 18:52:53 <-- meh has quit (Quit: I don't want to live on this planet anymore.) 19:02:18 <clokep_work> :) Hopefully all the locales will be ready for release! Whenever that is... 19:02:35 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 19:04:09 <Tonnes> it looks pretty well here.. can;t connect to irc though, and I see some errors in teh console, though they might be related to using the langpack 19:04:38 <Tonnes> the interface is ok, you've done well improving it (and its features)! 19:05:44 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 19:05:50 <-- igorko has quit (Client exited) 19:06:03 <-- Kaishi has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:06:03 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:06:03 <-- Optimizer has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:06:03 <-- Tomek has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:06:03 <-- Mook_as has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:06:03 <-- wesj has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:06:03 <-- wnayes has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:06:03 <-- clokep_work has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:06:03 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:06:03 <-- micahg has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:06:03 <-- harisund has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:06:03 <-- douglaswth has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:06:03 <-- dietrich has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:09:17 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 19:09:27 --> wesj1 has joined #instantbird 19:09:35 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 19:09:40 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 19:09:45 --> harisund has joined #instantbird 19:09:46 --> douglaswth has joined #instantbird 19:10:02 --> dietrich has joined #instantbird 19:10:02 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 19:10:02 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 19:10:02 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 19:10:02 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 19:10:02 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 19:10:02 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 19:10:02 * concrete.mozilla.org sets mode +o clokep_work 19:11:37 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 19:15:37 <-- sonny has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:15:39 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 19:15:41 <clokep_work> Yay netsplits! 19:15:50 <clokep_work> Tonnes: If you have errors, paste 'em somewhere or file a bug. 19:16:13 <aleth> lxr is down? 19:16:24 <aleth> (the backend, not the site) 19:18:49 <clokep_work> Maybe? 19:19:24 <aleth> maybe some power outage side effect, Even? 19:21:11 <clokep_work> The blog is also down according to Mic. 19:25:03 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:25:03 <-- dietrich has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:25:03 <-- wnayes has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:25:03 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:25:03 <-- Tomek has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:25:03 <-- clokep_work has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:25:03 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:25:03 <-- micahg has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 19:25:40 <aleth> There goes America... 19:27:59 <-- Tonnes has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]) 19:29:13 --> dietrich has joined #instantbird 19:32:07 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 19:32:30 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 19:33:49 <Tonnes> is it me, or doesn't irc work for IB? 19:34:11 <aleth> What doesn't work? 19:34:16 <aleth> It should work fine :) 19:34:34 <Tonnes> cannot connect 19:34:44 <aleth> What are you connecting to? 19:34:51 <Tonnes> irc.mozilla.org 19:34:59 <Tonnes> either 6667 without or 6697 with ssl 19:35:16 <aleth> And what happens? 19:35:23 <Tonnes> waiting for connection, no result 19:35:29 <Tonnes> msn works 19:35:43 <aleth> IRC should work too 19:35:49 <Tonnes> then it is me :) 19:35:54 <aleth> Maybe it's because one of the irc.mozilla.org sites is down atm 19:36:02 <aleth> Can you connect to freenode? 19:36:19 <Tonnes> nope 19:36:22 <aleth> or try gravel.mozilla.org instead of irc.mozilla.org 19:36:53 <aleth> Is it possible you are blocking those ports somehow? 19:37:02 <aleth> (Firewall...) 19:37:19 <aleth> Or is there anything in the error console? 19:37:22 <Tonnes> I;m behind a router, but haven't had to set up any rules for chatzilla 19:37:43 <aleth> I don't know how chatzilla works internally 19:37:55 <Tonnes> hmm uses FX I guess 19:39:03 <Tonnes> must be the firewall in some way 19:39:27 <aleth> If you can't connect to any IRC server, I can't see what else it could be :( 19:39:51 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 19:40:09 <aleth> But I'm surprised because I doubt chatzilla goes via HTTP 19:40:17 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 19:40:25 <Mook_as> it could be the code is broken ;) (unlikely, I know...) 19:40:28 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 19:40:36 <Tonnes> :) :) 19:40:42 <aleth> It could be... 19:41:13 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:41:26 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 19:41:52 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 19:42:41 <aleth> You aren't trying to enter the channel name in the account configuration by any chance? (Apart from in the autojoin field, where it's allowed) 19:42:52 <clokep_work> Did anyone else get the global message that was sent out? But actually got it in Instantbird? 19:42:58 <clokep_work> I'm curious how it looked. 19:43:03 <aleth> I got it 19:43:11 <aleth> DM sent by "Global" 19:43:57 <clokep_work> OK. :) 19:43:58 <clokep_work> Good. 19:44:19 <aleth> Though really if the people actually on concrete didn't get it, I'm not sure it fulfilled its intended purpose ;) 19:44:50 <clokep_work> It was telling people on gravel to reconnect, so it was probably only send to gravel. 19:45:04 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 19:45:21 <aleth> No, it was about concrete: "[lerxst] Sorry for the short notice, the IRC server concrete.mozilla.org needs to go down for emergency maintenance. It will be back within 20 minutes. In the meantime, you can try connecting to gravel.mozilla.org. During this outage, ChanServ, NickServ, etc, will be unavailable. If you have questions, please ask in #it." 19:45:33 <clokep_work> Ah, you're right. :) 19:45:36 <clokep_work> My bad. 19:45:47 <clokep_work> I think I was on concrete though... 19:46:07 * Suiseiseki is now known as IRCMonkey57280 19:46:07 <clokep_work> Who knows... 19:47:12 <clokep_work> Tonnes: Without the errors in the error console, I can't help you figure out what's up w/ IRC. 19:47:16 <clokep_work> No one else has had issues though. 19:52:07 --> myk has joined #instantbird 20:04:04 <Tonnes> colkep_work: I only see this: Tijdstempel: 9-7-2012 21:41:49 - Fout: Connection closed by server. - Bronbestand: jar:file:///C:/Program%20Files/instantbird/omni.ja!/components/irc.js - Regel: 497 - Broncode: - irc 20:04:14 <Tonnes> clokep_work ^ 20:04:22 <Tonnes> it's today;s build btw 20:04:43 <Tonnes> disabled windows firewall, no luck 20:04:57 <clokep_work> I haven't tried today's build yet. 20:05:07 <clokep_work> But nothing has changed. :P 20:05:16 <Tonnes> hmm 20:05:43 <clokep_work> Maybe turn on verbose logging? 20:06:05 <Tonnes> show server messages? 20:06:06 <aleth> "Connection closed by server" suggests you connected but irc.mozilla.org wouldn't let you continue 20:06:54 <clokep_work> No, there's something you have to flip in about:config, maybe aleth knows the pref name. 20:07:19 * aleth looks it up 20:07:27 <aleth> purple.debug.loglevel 20:07:30 <aleth> set it to 1 20:08:09 <aleth> then restart, make a new account, and try to connect 20:08:15 <Tonnes> ok 20:08:25 <aleth> try using a different nick too 20:08:37 <aleth> (though that shouldn't be what's causing it really) 20:11:15 <clokep_work> You should then see a lot of stuff in the error console (every message sent to and from the server). 20:11:20 <clokep_work> I don't think you have to restart though? 20:12:05 <Tonnes> last message appears to be Tijdstempel: 9-7-2012 22:10:57 Waarschuwing: onTransportStatus(STATUS_SENDING_TO) - Bronbestand: resource:///modules/socket.jsm - Regel: 374 - Broncode: - irc 20:12:29 <Tonnes> I didn;t try en-US thoug, could that make a difference? 20:13:42 <clokep_work> It shouldn.t 20:13:51 <clokep_work> I'm not interested in the last message, I'm interested in all of them. 20:14:00 <Tonnes> eventloop: purple_upnp_discover_timeout 20:14:02 <clokep_work> Whihc is difficult, yes. 20:14:09 <clokep_work> Well...all the ones that say IRC. ;) 20:14:16 <clokep_work> If you could put them in pastebin.instantbird.org, that'd be great. 20:15:10 <Tonnes> ok 20:15:38 <Tonnes> interesting is, I just enabled upnp on the router 20:17:39 <clokep_work> And...? :P 20:17:50 <clokep_work> (You had disabled upnp? Anything works w/ that disabled? ;)) 20:17:53 <Tonnes> ouch... it says it's using my proxy, even though it's not set in Options 20:18:08 <Tonnes> yeah I never use upnp :) 20:18:16 <clokep_work> Weird. 20:18:23 <clokep_work> "not set in Options"? 20:18:35 <clokep_work> IRC uses the proxy that the "application" uses by the way, it doesn't use the one for protocols. 20:19:19 <Tonnes> ? 20:19:36 <Tonnes> argh 20:19:57 <Tonnes> For everything else... use system proxy settings. :( :( 20:20:11 * Tonnes hates that setting 20:20:46 <Tonnes> sorry guys.. 20:20:57 <aleth> What setting? 20:21:02 <clokep_work> Do you use an HTTP proxy? 20:21:31 <aleth> You are looking at Preferences -> Advanced -> Network I guess? 20:21:33 <Tonnes> for http yes, not for the rest ( a pac file to be precise) 20:22:23 <Tonnes> IB uses 2 settings, the top one was set to no proxy, but I overlooked the For everyting else setting, which defaults to Use system proxy settings - that one uses the pac as well 20:22:35 <clokep_work> You're probably running into bug 1347 20:22:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1347 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, socket.jsm based protocols shouldn't attempt to use HTTP proxies 20:22:46 <Tonnes> never understood why Mozilla uses that one 20:23:03 <aleth> It's also a bit confusing if IRC uses the "everything else" settings though... 20:23:37 <clokep_work> aleth: Why? 20:24:08 <aleth> Because "To connect accounts" is the obvious thing that would apply :D 20:24:09 <Tonnes> I'd presume the one "used for accounts" is the one we use, but the protocols are concerned to be part of that, right? 20:24:28 <Tonnes> not part of the accounts I mean 20:24:42 <clokep_work> Ah, is that a category as well? 20:24:53 <clokep_work> Hmm...I think that's a purple proxy though. 20:25:08 <clokep_work> There's a bug to unify all this crap into a set of settings that make sense. 20:25:17 <aleth> If IRC really uses the "everything else" setting, then that's completely impossible for a user to figure out 20:25:30 <Tonnes> mpe 20:25:47 <aleth> Maybe it's just that the strings are wrong... 20:25:53 <aleth> (now we have JS protos) 20:26:42 <clokep_work> It's not just IRC, XMPP will also use it. 20:27:00 <aleth> You mean Gtalk and FB ;) 20:27:23 <clokep_work> You know what I meant. :P 20:27:45 <aleth> Maybe that bug should be bumped for 1.3... 20:28:01 <clokep_work> "bumped for 1.3"? 20:28:18 <aleth> 1.3-wanted or blocking 20:28:40 <clokep_work> If it's <1.3-wanted or blocking it's implied for 1.3. ;) 20:28:45 <Tonnes> bug or feature? :) 20:28:46 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 20:29:33 <aleth> It's the sort of thing one might forget though... after all nobody remembered in time for 1.2 20:31:03 <clokep_work> Remembered? We just don't have a good solution for it. :P 20:31:06 <clokep_work> I've known it's an issue. 20:31:22 <-- sonny has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:31:37 <aleth> One could at least change the strings, even if that's ugly, at least it would be correct. 20:32:02 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:32:14 --> instantbird has joined #instantbird 20:32:34 * instantbird is now known as Tonnes2 20:32:40 <Tonnes2> boo 20:33:22 * Tonnes2 is now known as Tonnes_ib 20:34:48 <Tonnes> soryy again for wasting your time guys, thanks for the help though. Hope it was helful for you too.. 20:35:00 <clokep_work> tonnes: It's not a waste of time if you're having an issue. 20:35:15 <aleth> Well, I for one didn't know it was an issue either ;) so thanks :) 20:35:40 <clokep_work> aleth: Ah, you meant the unify proxies? I thought you meant the HTTP proxy issue. 20:35:59 <aleth> Yes 20:36:28 <clokep_work> Yeah....I think that was something we wanted for 0.3. Err...1.0. ;) 20:51:45 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 20:52:04 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 20:52:38 <-- wnayes has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:02:49 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 21:07:13 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 21:07:14 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 21:08:13 <Mic> Is this maybe the same problem I ran into at the library computer, i.e. having to set proxy explicitely to none to get IRC working? 21:08:20 <-- Tomek has quit (Ping timeout) 21:08:46 <Mic> (While "Use system settings" didn't work) 21:16:48 <Tonnes_ib> I guess so, yes 21:17:07 <clokep_work> Right, but we should ignore HTTP proxies anyway (probably). 21:17:40 <EionRobb> why should you ignore http proxies for irc? 21:17:52 <clokep_work> How does using an HTTP proxy make any sense for IRC? 21:18:57 <EionRobb> you can use CONNECT HTTP connections to establish a TCP stream. some companies only have HTTP access and you need to proxy through 21:19:24 <clokep_work> Hmm...any documentation on this? 21:25:23 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 21:25:44 <Mic> Oh, the view with the "timeline slider" for etherpads also contains a full list of authors with their colors :) 21:25:47 <Tonnes> I often use a pac file for ad blocking, and have it set in IE / Internet options. When FX or antother Mozilla product uses (Use system proxy), it grabs tha pac file and uses it for all protocols, as if it was set manually with the option (use xx for all protocols. I.o.w. maybe it's not really abouit why IRC uses http, but why it is able to use a system wide proxy that takes care of all... 21:25:47 <Tonnes> ...protocols? After all, this is the general proxy GUI part we're talking about, and its behaviour.. 21:26:24 <clokep_work> There's two different issues here. 21:26:36 <clokep_work> (Btw I have no idea what a "pac" file is, I assume it's a proxy configuration.) 21:26:43 <Tonnes> yes 21:28:09 <Tonnes> similar issue when choosing Use this proxy for all protocols and entering one http proxy - chatzilla can't connect either in such case 21:28:12 <EionRobb> clokep_work: no, I don't have any docs on me, this is just knowledge in my head from http proxy testing stuff while RE'ing 21:29:32 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 21:36:55 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:40:05 <-- Tonnes_ib has left #instantbird () 21:46:39 <-- myk has quit (Input/output error) 21:46:44 --> myk has joined #instantbird 22:03:07 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 22:23:51 <-- Tomek has quit (Ping timeout) 22:39:38 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Quit: falls into bed know â too much addressbook code :-P) 22:45:41 <-- wnayes has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 22:45:41 <-- myk has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 22:45:41 <-- EionRobb has quit (gravel.mozilla.org concrete.mozilla.org) 22:46:47 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 22:46:47 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 22:46:47 --> myk has joined #instantbird 23:20:35 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 23:22:20 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 23:23:20 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:23:20 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 23:30:16 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 23:36:32 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:36:32 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 23:52:58 <clokep> It seems like none of my strings are working. :-S 23:54:39 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error)