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00:27:28 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1570 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
00:27:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1570 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Removing an IRC buddy does not remove the ircAccountBuddy
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06:08:14 <instant-buildbot> build #539 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/539
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07:10:15 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/07/watch-live-higgs-talk/
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11:56:54 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1571 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
11:56:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1571 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Error running command NOTICE on gimpnet
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14:14:55 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1572 filed by aqeel@aqeeliz.com.
14:14:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1572 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, New contacts added doesn't show up in Contact list
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15:22:38 <clokep> aleth: Yeah...that sucks...I think the "best" way to fix that is to implement SASL auth.
15:24:35 <aleth> clokep: Oh, is it attempting SASL? I thought it was another one for the "servers behaving badly" camp...
15:24:47 <clokep> NOTICE AUTH == SASL I believe.
15:28:09 <clokep> aleth: FWIW I started implementing the CAP command this morning.
15:28:13 <clokep> Which is a requirement for SASL.
15:28:29 <aleth> nice :)
15:28:44 <aleth> but don't forget you're on holiday ;)
15:30:44 <aleth> I think the problem with those NOTICE messages is that we have no idea which account to associate them with though. I suppose we'd have to guess ("who is just connecting?")
15:31:50 <aleth> Which is tricky when the answer might be "all of the accounts" (on startup)
15:32:38 <clokep> What?
15:32:42 <aleth> Or am I talking nonsense\
15:32:45 <aleth> I think I am
15:32:45 <clokep> "which account to associate them with though"?
15:32:47 <clokep> What do you mean?
15:33:00 <clokep> Of course we know what account they're from -- every account has it's own socket.
15:33:09 <aleth> Nothing that makes sense, because we have the socket ;)
15:33:28 <clokep> :)
15:33:38 <clokep> I speak nonsense a lot too, it's OK. ;)
15:33:39 <aleth> Momentary lapse of reason, etc....
15:37:06 <clokep> Understandable. :)
15:37:17 <aleth> It's hot...
15:37:56 <clokep> Yes, I'm having that issue as well...
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15:43:27 <aleth> Anyway, I've been filling your review queue a bit. All semi-related stuff
15:43:51 <aleth> ^^ not intended as a review ping of course
15:44:05 <clokep> Yes, I've noticed.
15:44:29 <clokep> I've been too lazy to review those so far. :-D
15:44:55 <aleth> waiting for a rainy day :D
15:46:14 <clokep> It rained this morning. ;) But yes.
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15:47:57 <clokep> wnayes: Checked out your work yesterday, think it looks good. :)
15:48:04 <clokep> Good plan to move over the AIM passwords for now.
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15:54:03 <wnayes> clokep: Hopefully I can come back to the AIM stuff fresh and see more results. I'll probably look at some more xpcshell tests in the meantime.
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18:45:31 <mib_obtftw> Hello 
18:45:51 <aleth> Hello!
18:46:17 <mib_obtftw> is there anyone that can help me ? i have troubles installing instantbrd
18:46:26 <aleth> What goes wrong?
18:46:34 <mib_obtftw> missing libpango
18:46:41 <mib_obtftw> but i just instal the 1.30
18:46:58 <aleth> Which distro is this?
18:47:27 <mib_obtftw> what is 'distro' ?
18:47:29 <mib_obtftw> xD
18:47:36 <aleth> What is your operating system ;)
18:47:50 <mib_obtftw> ouch 
18:47:56 <mib_obtftw> Ubuntu 12.04
18:48:11 <aleth> I guessed Linux... wanted to know which Linux
18:48:22 <aleth> So, did you download Instantbird from the website?
18:48:29 <mib_obtftw> yep
18:48:50 <aleth> And then unpacked the zip into some new directory
18:49:04 <mib_obtftw> yep
18:49:07 <aleth> And you get the error message when you do what?
18:49:52 <mib_obtftw> I install all the dependencies required
18:50:21 <aleth> Is this 64-bit?
18:50:29 <mib_obtftw> yes
18:51:01 <aleth> Instantbird is 32-bit, so you also need the compatibility libraries for 32-bit
18:51:07 <aleth> Did you install those too?
18:51:11 <mib_obtftw> hahahah no
18:51:16 <mib_obtftw> thanks
18:51:22 <aleth> OK :) Hopefully that is the problem
18:51:32 <aleth> Sorry we don't have 64-bit builds yet.
18:51:53 <mib_obtftw> Just work more :D
18:52:09 <aleth> It's more just a matter of resources I think ;)
18:52:32 <mib_obtftw> And say it on the website =)
18:52:52 <aleth> Right, maybe there should be a FAQ entry.
18:53:31 <mib_obtftw> I didnt read the FAQ, maybe there is already an entry ^^
18:53:58 <aleth> We are looking for someone to maintain a repo for Ubuntu (which would be the most convenient solution), but so far nobody has volunteered...
18:54:46 <aleth> Btw look out for the new 1.2 version in two weeks or so.
18:55:08 <mib_obtftw> Hum, my computer is on 16/24 is that enought ?
18:55:21 <aleth> it should update itself, yes
18:58:25 <mib_obtftw> i'll install the 1.2, so ill be back for new troubles :D see you !
18:58:39 <aleth> hope it all works now :)
18:58:49 <aleth> Then you can use IB to log on next time ;)
18:59:03 <mib_obtftw> Yeah
18:59:25 <mib_obtftw> hey ! i ve others questions
19:00:05 <mib_obtftw> im tryin to install IB to my netsoul client 
19:00:47 <mib_obtftw> is netsoul's connection stable on IB ? 
19:00:47 <aleth> You mean, you want to log on to netsould with IB?
19:00:54 <mib_obtftw> yes
19:01:10 <aleth> I have not tried it myself, but I don't see why not
19:01:20 <aleth> File a bug if you run into problems
19:02:14 <aleth> bug 65 is the only netsoul bug on file
19:02:16 <mib_obtftw> okay, because pidgin = segfault, QNetsoul = Missing plugins which dosnt exist
19:02:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Can't connect Netsoul if the "comment" field is empty
19:02:50 <aleth> And that is a really old bug so I'm not even sure it is still there in the latest version...
19:03:08 <mib_obtftw> cool
19:07:04 <mib_obtftw> i cant find the 32 bit gdk+ 
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19:08:13 <aleth> I don't use ubuntu, so I don't know what it's called
19:08:20 <aleth> Maybe ask on #ubuntu or similar?
19:08:49 <aleth> Possibly some metapackage
19:11:58 <Mook_as> I think you install the normal package with :i386 on the end?
19:12:40 <Mook_as> e.g. libgtk2.0-0:i386
19:14:18 <mib_obtftw> no that good now
19:14:24 <mib_obtftw> i found it
19:14:26 <mib_obtftw> :D
19:14:58 <mib_obtftw> but iv troubles for libpango :D, again 
19:16:22 <Mook_as> I'd assume libpango1.0-0:i386 ?
19:19:31 <mib_obtftw> no :D
19:19:55 <mib_obtftw> 1.22 x86_64
19:20:49 <Mook_as> that's not going to work with an i386 (32-bit) binary :)
19:21:11 <mib_obtftw> ha 
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19:23:25 <mib_obtftw> is the 1.30 pango package on the gtk+ website in 32bit ?
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19:25:30 <Mook_as> sudo apt-get install libpango1.0-0:i386
19:26:02 <Mook_as> on my ubuntu (12.04, precise), that's version 1.30.0-0ubuntu3
19:26:59 <mib_obtftw> yeah
19:27:02 <mib_obtftw> cool
19:27:07 <mib_obtftw> youl be able to help me
19:27:14 <mib_obtftw> im on 12.0 to !
19:27:18 <mib_obtftw> 12.04*
19:27:40 <Mook_as> well, sort of. I'm not actually running instantbird on this machine ;)
19:27:54 <mib_obtftw> :D
19:28:05 <mib_obtftw> libgtk 32bit ?
19:28:35 <Mook_as> just find whatever package you want, and tack :i386 at the end of it :)
19:30:25 <mib_obtftw> okay, how how im i supposed to find these ?
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19:31:16 <Mook_as> I was going by apt-cache search
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19:32:41 <mib_obtftw> thanks
19:34:41 <mib_obtftw> libgtk-x11-2.0.so.
19:34:54 <mib_obtftw> apt-cache search found nothing
19:37:14 <Mook_as> $dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so
19:37:14 <Mook_as> libgtk2.0-dev: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so
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19:37:37 <Mook_as> so you probably want libgtk2.0-0:386
19:37:42 <Mook_as> err, libgtk2.0-0:i386
19:37:58 <mib_obtftw> yes i found it :)
19:45:27 <mib_obtftw> IB crash xD
19:46:09 <mib_obtftw> Instantbird encountered a serious error and cannot start, we apologize for the inconvenience.  Description: XPCOM registration of the purplexpcom component failed.  An updated version will probably be available shortly to fix the problem.
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19:50:08 <clokep> I really thought aleth was right and you could just install a meta package that was "install all the 32-bit stuff I need"...
19:50:55 <Mook_as> firefox:i386 ? ;)
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19:52:44 <clokep> :P
19:53:00 <clokep> If there's one for Pidgin too, you'd probably get all of the requirements. ;)
19:59:50 <aleth> This might be helpful: http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-install-a-32bit-programme-in-64bit-ubuntu/
20:00:00 <aleth> ah, has left
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20:21:50 * clokep thinks that IRC specifications use the word "or" too much.
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20:52:53 <Mic> Conversations on hold really should allow multiple selections + have a "Mark and read (and don't bother me again)" context menu entry ...
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21:20:29 <clokep> wnayes: Did you write base64 encoding code somewhere?
21:26:59 <clokep> Ah, I can apparently just use btoa...
21:27:05 * clokep didn't think that was available...
21:30:02 <wnayes> clokep: Yeah, I had used btoa and atob in XPCOM when I needed it.
21:30:21 <clokep> Yeah, I didn't think it would work there, but it does apparently. :-D
21:30:24 <clokep> Thanks!
21:32:19 <clokep> I might need to steal your blowfish algorithm though. ;)
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21:32:47 <Mook_as> blowfish.jsm! :D
21:33:51 <wnayes> I've been skeptical of all of the ones I've used so far, so I haven't added them in commits yet.
21:34:14 <clokep> Ah?
21:34:30 <clokep> Could just write our own if need be. I'm sure you've always wanted to learn about obsolete encryption algorithms.
21:36:03 <clokep> aleth: Btw I was wrong. Those messages don't have to do with SASL, they have to do with ident, I think.
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21:37:53 <wnayes> I've tried a couple and they don't pass even the first test vector (http://www.schneier.com/code/vectors.txt) so I'm not sure if I'm dealing with encoding issues with strings or they are not quite the same algorithm (ECB, CBC, etc.)
21:39:52 <clokep> ECB vs. CBC?
21:41:16 <Mook_as> that file appears to have both ecb and cbc test data?
21:41:47 <wnayes> "Block cipher modes of operation" I guess; not too sure of the differences but they are available for blowfish.
21:42:30 <clokep> I see...
21:42:34 <clokep> Do the algorithms support both?
21:43:29 <clokep> (As in, the ones we found...)
21:43:40 <wnayes> I'm quite certain AIM is using ECB, but not certain about the javascript implementations; I don't think they really say.
21:43:54 <clokep> Right.
21:49:33 <Mic> wnayes: may I have the link to your etherpad-collection of crypto libs (if you still know where that is;)?
21:50:09 <wnayes> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/h6NtX8nyGK
21:52:14 <Mic> Thank you
21:52:18 <clokep> Feel free to add other comments Mic. ;)
21:54:30 <clokep> If I had realized it was an issue, I would have sat down and written one from scratch today.
21:54:56 <wnayes> I've tried 1 and 2 so far (they are both similar in API, both didn't give the same results however :(). After trying those I started testing with openssl to see if I could get the key/pass combination correct, but no success there either.
21:55:27 <aleth> wnayes: Is this useful? It's C++, but the program is originally by Schneier afaik http://passwordsafe.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=passwordsafe/pwsafe.git;a=tree;f=pwsafe/pwsafe/src/core;h=aa470c6db3cda47dd577697f332a69e91e952862;hb=HEAD
21:57:04 <wnayes> aleth: Thanks, if I end up needing to write a blowfish module it will be :)
21:57:26 <aleth> blowfish.cpp doesn't seem terribly long at least...
21:57:42 <aleth> but it may be hiding something ;)
21:58:35 * clokep hates how hard it is to create a new copy of a JS obejct.
21:58:59 <wnayes> I'm not convinced I have the steps to create the right AIM key down yet, what I've found is only descriptions of the process and they seem simple yet I can't produce my password.
21:59:15 <aleth> Yeah, you have to get past the HAL9000 voice that says "i'm sorry clokep, I can't let you do that"
21:59:38 <Mic> Try ".clone()",.. ah wait, wrong language ;)
22:03:08 <wnayes> I was planning to write up what I believe the steps to be and see if anyone either finds that they do work or maybe can see an obvious issue with them.
22:03:40 <wnayes> But for now I've taken a break from AIM and am getting some gtalk importer xpcshell tests down. :)
22:03:58 <clokep> Alright. :)
22:05:24 * clokep wonders if JSON.parse(JSON.stringify(aMessage)) will pass review...
22:08:36 <aleth> neat idea at any rate!
22:09:55 <Mook_as> your chances are probably higher if there's a good comment next to it
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22:11:12 <aleth> It's very compact and readable... that's a plus too
22:11:21 <clokep> "Clone the original object." is my comment.
22:11:28 * clokep notes that aleth is probably the reviewer. :P
22:11:30 <aleth> Maybe JSON.encode/decode
22:11:39 <aleth> But I don't know if there's a real difference
22:11:46 <clokep> Aren't those deprecated?
22:11:53 <aleth> ah, could be
22:12:25 <clokep> Well those aren't on the page anywhere at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/JSON ;)
22:12:36 <aleth> very deprecated then ;)
22:17:39 * clokep really wants a protocol console...
22:18:58 <Mic> Apply for GSoC? ;)
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22:23:36 <Mic> Good night
22:23:42 <clokep> Goodnight! :0
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22:24:24 * clokep keeps building without saving. :(
22:26:45 <clokep> aleth: Do we have a SASL bug?
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22:27:37 <aleth> bug 719?
22:27:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Handle multiple authentication types in IRC JavaScript
22:27:44 <aleth> kind of meta
22:29:37 <clokep> Yes, an actually kind of useful meta bug though. ;)
22:29:45 <clokep> (As in it's not just "This sucks, fix it!")
22:30:25 <aleth> It's got links :)
22:31:53 <aleth> lots of trawling went into that one...
22:32:29 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1573 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
22:32:30 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested feedback from aletheia2@fastmai l.fm for attachment 1731 on bug 1573.
22:32:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1573 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Support SASL for IRC
22:34:49 <clokep> You can read those specs at your leisure. ;)
22:34:56 <aleth> argh...
22:35:00 <aleth> Is CAP used for anything other than SASL?
22:35:08 <clokep> Yes.
22:35:16 <clokep> Freenode supports 4 things.
22:35:25 <clokep> "multi-prefix" "sasl" and two others...
22:35:28 <clokep> let me telnet again...
22:36:15 <clokep> :adams.freenode.net CAP * LS :account-notify extended-join identify-msg multi-prefix sasl
22:37:47 <aleth> OK. Never come across those so far...
22:38:54 <aleth> so identify-msg is a nickserv extension?
22:39:05 <aleth> this gets involved...
22:39:20 <clokep> I have no idea what that is. :-D
22:39:51 <aleth> "running IRC software which supports the CAP identify-msg, they'll be able to tell when someone is spoofing your identity."
22:40:06 <clokep> aleth: Essentially CAP is the same as ISUPPORT...but it happens during the client authentication stage instead of after a successful authentication.
22:40:25 <clokep> If you find a specification...let me know.
22:40:32 <aleth> oh dear...
22:40:51 <aleth> IRC is just full of these little extensions ;)
22:43:30 <clokep> Yes. :)
22:43:40 <clokep> And I'm afraid you know wayyyy more about htem than you ever wanted!
22:43:42 <clokep> Anyway, I must go...family time.
22:43:44 <clokep> Ciao!
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