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01:56:43 <DGMurdockIII> clokep: hey
01:56:53 <DGMurdockIII> you see the bug i filed 
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02:05:16 <clokep> Yes, I didn't understand it though.
02:16:27 <clokep> wnayes: If you end up feeling like you're wasting time on the AIM password stuff, it might be good to table it for now and move on.
02:16:31 <clokep> Come back to it later.
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06:06:42 <instant-buildbot> build #538 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/538
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11:26:11 <aleth> Mic: You're right, I forgot to add a listener on the prefs
11:26:37 <Mic> And I forgot that you might want to clean up prefs on uninstall but I don't think it's *that* important ;)
11:27:27 <Mic> clokep, aleth: when will we release? igorko asked because he wanted to know how much time the localizers have for their job.
11:27:35 <aleth> I prefer to keep them because the user might change their mind and reinstall ;) It's not like there's a lot of settings
11:27:48 <clokep> Mic: They have at least a week.
11:27:58 <clokep> I think we're aiming for July 17th though.
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11:41:45 <clokep> Mic: I'm posting to the l10n group about that too.
11:41:58 <Mic> OK, thanks.
11:42:18 <Mic> I tried to look at this group using Google but it seems it's a closed group (if such a thing exists?)
11:42:33 <Mic> (I wanted to look up the mail that was sent to the localizers)
11:43:32 <clokep> Mic: Yes it's a closed group.
11:45:13 <clokep> Mic: I do not seem to be an administrator of any sort on there. :( Sorry.
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11:52:32 <clokep> I forwarded you the email though.
11:52:36 <clokep> I forwarded you the email though.
11:54:42 <Mic> Thank you.
11:55:21 <Mic> I wanted to check what was announced to the localizers, so if you're sending them another email anyways, it would have been OK either way ;)
11:58:22 <Mic> aleth: another idea: hide the splitter if the list is only temporarily shown: http://i.imgur.com/pQexH.png (it's not useful in this moment anyways).
11:58:53 <aleth> Mic: Interesting - the splitter is much more visible on Windows.
11:59:22 <Mic> And it's *ugly* too!
11:59:26 <aleth> Yes :(
11:59:34 <Mic> (the grippy, I mean)
11:59:35 <aleth> I will get rid of it for you :D
12:00:16 <clokep> Mic: Later I could possibly fwd you the rest of the thread, but I need to run.
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12:04:22 <Mic> I'll review the new version after lunch, bbl
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14:32:37 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1569 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
14:32:38 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested feedback from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1729 on bug 1569.
14:32:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1569 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add someone as a buddy directly from an open conversation
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15:10:59 <clokep> Uhh... aleth I'm pretty sure bug 53 wasn't done.
15:11:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Prompt to add buddy to the buddy list after an authorization request
15:11:15 <clokep> If you're thinking of the rewritten authorization stuff.
15:11:24 <clokep> It doesn't prompt you anywhere to add them after you respond to it.
15:11:39 <clokep> Which is what that bug seems to want.
15:12:26 <aleth> clokep: Hmm.. I thought it just added them automatically if you accepted the request
15:12:42 <clokep> aleth: I don't think so.
15:13:08 <aleth> So you end up with a one-way subscription?
15:13:24 <aleth> I think I've actually seen that once and thought it was a bug.
15:13:29 <clokep> What do you mean?
15:13:33 <clokep> "one-way subscription"?
15:14:15 * clokep finds all these authorization bugs to be very confusing.
15:14:16 <aleth> You are authorising someone, but you haven't got them as a buddy, so how would you store that they are authorizing you?
15:14:34 <aleth> So they will end up with a one-way-subscribed buddy
15:14:51 <aleth> But I don't really understand this authorization stuff either
15:14:54 <clokep> Why would you have to store that they are subscribed to you?
15:15:03 <aleth> So maybe I'm wrong...
15:15:09 <aleth> You don't have to
15:15:33 <aleth> But it means they will have a buddy with 'Subscription: From', not 'Both', right?
15:15:47 <clokep> I don't know.
15:16:05 <clokep> It wouldn't make sense to me to add a buddy object unless you add them as a buddy.
15:16:06 <aleth> Because you couldn't subscribe to them, not having a buddy...
15:16:15 <aleth> Yes
15:16:17 <clokep> But I really don't understand XMPP's "subscription" model.
15:16:25 <aleth> Well, I'm confused by this as well.
15:16:35 <aleth> I have no idea what the "right" behaviour is
15:16:43 <clokep> "Because you couldn't subscribe to them, not having a buddy..." I'm not sure what you mean by this.
15:16:55 <clokep> To me "subscription" == "are they on your buddy list".
15:17:00 <clokep> But maybe that is wrong.
15:17:15 <aleth> I think so. How else would you receive presence info
15:17:33 <aleth> But I'm not sure if authorisations are separate, technically speaking
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16:52:14 <igorko> what nick has Benedikt P. ?
16:53:11 <aleth> igorko: Mic
16:53:19 <igorko> hm :)
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16:55:40 <igorko> brb
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17:03:01 <igorko> and Mic's email is...
17:05:24 <aleth> You can find it on bugzilla
17:06:01 <igorko> yeah looking
17:09:54 <igorko> got it
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17:18:20 <igorko> as I understand passwords are no longersave in plain,right?
17:19:09 <aleth> Not new ones added in 1.2
17:19:43 <igorko> now they are used by pass manager...
17:19:47 <aleth> Yes
17:19:49 <igorko> encoded*
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18:48:27 <aleth> clokep: Is it possible removing an IRC buddy does not in fact remove the account buddy? Removing a buddy, then sending a /msg to the same nick, I get an error message Warning: reference to undefined property this._buddy, Source File: resource:///modules/jsProtoHelper.jsm Line: 219
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19:02:36 <DGMurdockIII> aleth: you there
19:20:01 <aleth> DGMurdockIII: Hi
19:21:02 <DGMurdockIII> aleth: you are the one that made the sepret bog post for the bug i was having righ?
19:21:11 <DGMurdockIII> right*
19:21:17 <aleth> yes
19:24:17 <DGMurdockIII> ok i just my friend that this happend with  on gtalk as this only person i talk with on gtalk well one other person but not only once in a while this guy every day and he dose not have Save chat history on he has Never save chat history. 
19:24:36 <aleth> So he can't get offline messages
19:24:48 <aleth> Maybe that's why it bounced then...
19:24:51 <DGMurdockIII> nope
19:24:57 <aleth> Thanks for checking!
19:25:00 <DGMurdockIII> but 
19:26:14 <aleth> It's still a bug if he shows online when he is offline.
19:27:06 <DGMurdockIII> that only happens ever so oftern
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19:34:15 <DGMurdockIII> but i still like it to be fixed
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19:46:26 <clokep_wp7> Aleth: that's a known bug yes. I dobt think anything is on file for it though. We alao need to remove them from ISON queries, etc 
19:47:04 <clokep_wp7> Last time i looked, it wasn't clear to me how we're notified of this i think?
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19:59:42 <DGMurdockIII> also what i right about when i said people would really use QQ if you supported it
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20:01:00 <aleth> DGMurdockIII: clokep has done some work on QQ, the only missing part is displaying their captcha
20:01:28 <DGMurdockIII> but sending as reciving im work
20:01:46 <aleth> As far as I know, you can't connect without it.
20:02:13 <DGMurdockIII> you can connect with out the captcha?
20:03:47 <aleth> bug 578
20:03:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, QQ - Hangs when trying to get Captcha from server
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20:12:49 <DGMurdockIII> i ment* cant
20:13:17 <aleth> I can't tell you exactly what the problem is, as I have never used QQ
20:13:29 <DGMurdockIII> same here
20:13:55 <DGMurdockIII> never used QQ but now it very populary
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21:56:40 <clokep_wp7> aleth, Dgmurdockiii: We DO support QQ. And afaik it works fine until you need a captcha.
21:56:49 <clokep_wp7> My account conndcts fine.
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23:16:07 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1730 on bug 1547.
23:16:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1547 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Check for open conversations when adding a buddy
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