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01:06:24 <GC> Hello! I'm looking for a way to hide join/part messages from XMPP chat rooms. Is there a way to do this?
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01:35:02 <clokep> wnayes, Mook_as: I don't think NSS supports Blowfish, but I might be mistaken.
01:35:17 <clokep> Too bad the web crypto stuff isn't done...
01:38:34 <clokep> http://code.google.com/p/javascript-bcrypt/ is BSD licensed though, which is compatible.
01:38:35 <clokep> IIRC.
01:39:55 <clokep> I'm guessing Mook was talking about http://www.mozdev.org/source/browse/fireftp/src/content/js/connection/paramikojs/crypto/Cipher/Blowfish.js?rev=1.6;content-type=text%2Fx-cvsweb-markup ? That's the previous one I had found.
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06:38:56 <eson57> Swedish translation is complete, for now. Is it possible to get a new build of sv-SE xpi?
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07:19:45 <barlas> Hmm.. no file transfer :(
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07:21:55 <barlas> Adding yourself to CC in any bug shouldn't send an email to everyone, but pretty much all bug trackers do that, why?
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08:03:42 <FeuerFliege> Does anyone understand what is meant with “Any way to dial back a twitter account (in instant bird) to notify on "mentions" (and only then)?”
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09:00:57 <aleth> barlas: Bugzilla has very fine-grained email options (in the preferences)
09:01:25 <barlas> aleth: This is the most common setting I have seen in bugtrackers, I was mainly wondering why?
09:01:42 <aleth> It's useful sometimes.
09:01:53 <aleth> You can see who else is interested
09:02:17 <barlas> But most open source developers don't care about how many people care about certain feature.
09:02:39 <barlas> They mostly work according to what they use/want/need and how much time they have.
09:02:52 <FeuerFliege> the new twitter icon is not square :( 
09:03:09 <aleth> FeuerFliege: Really? :-/
09:03:11 <FeuerFliege> it is streched and looks aweful!
09:03:47 <aleth> Ah, I have not updated yet/
09:03:47 <FeuerFliege> two reviews and no one noticed :(
09:03:49 <barlas> It is slim, it lost some weight.
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09:03:59 <FeuerFliege> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768525
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09:04:32 <aleth> FeuerFliege: Wow, that really is bad :(
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09:22:25 <instantbot> bugi@media.fjmail.de cancelled feedback?(idechix@instantbi rd.org) for attachment 1712 on bug 483.
09:22:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=483 min, --, ---, bugi, ASSI, Instantbird default theme has no preview image
09:31:52 <Mic> aleth: from which version is the new Bubbles theme derived?
09:32:32 <aleth> Mic: The most recent Bubbles-Light
09:32:48 <Mic> Ah, I reviewed that recently iirc :)
09:32:57 <Mic> That means I'll only have to review a diff :)
09:33:03 <aleth> Yes... it only had changes from upstream anyway
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09:41:05 <aleth> Mic: Btw do you know if there is an attribute or class we set if a conversation is a MUC?
09:41:42 <Mic> Where/what do you mean?
09:42:08 <aleth> i.e. is there a way for a message style to tell it is displaying a MUC?
09:44:25 <Mic> None that I'd know of off the top of my head
09:45:11 <Mic> If you think it could be useful, file a bug for it
09:45:13 <Mic> ;)
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09:49:15 <Mic> aleth: could it be that the "invertColors" filter is never actually used?
09:49:42 <aleth> Mic: Yes... there's another one as well I think that is debris from playing around ;)
09:51:00 <Mic> Do you want to remove it/them? I looks like they have five times as many lines as all other changes to the files combined..
09:51:10 <aleth> Sure. I just forgot.
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10:08:57 <Mic> I wish we knew what themes and variants people are using :(
10:09:27 <Mic> Maybe we could drop all the color variants because nobody actually uses them and we just don't know;)
10:10:40 <aleth> Yeah. But really they should just be replaced with inline options of some sort.
10:12:20 <Mic> Do we have a bug for that?
10:12:44 <aleth> I'm not sure... it's been discussed for sure
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10:21:28 <clokep> barlas: You can disable that in the options (I don't get emails when CC changes).
10:22:13 <barlas> clokep: I don't care about those email, I just feel bad spamming all those people just because I add myself to CC.
10:22:29 <barlas> but if it can be disabled, that is okay, I won't feed bad from now on.
10:22:30 <clokep> barlas: Don't feel bad, if they didn't want that email, they should shut it off.
10:23:36 <Mic> clokep++
10:23:47 <clokep> Why am I being incremented? :P
10:23:49 <Mic> Does that make him clokeq now? ;)
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10:25:54 <clokep> FeuerFliege: Two reviews? I didn't review it, I just said the change was OK to make. :p
10:26:15 <clokep> Mic: No, we fixed that bug. :P
10:28:02 <clokep> barlas: And no we don't support file transfers, mainly because they give a pretty awful user experience and we wished to have a fallback if it doesn't work.
10:28:46 <barlas> Hmm.. so are you doing anything about it?
10:29:05 <barlas> According to bug report, no one is working on it yet.
10:31:51 <clokep> Yes, no one is working on it.
10:32:06 <clokep> Thunderbird just recently added FileLink, the plan is to use that as a fall back.
10:32:12 <clokep> Bu tno one is actively working on it, no.
10:33:08 <clokep> Mic: I strangely like those dark bubbles themes...and I don't usually like dark theme.s.
10:34:01 <Mic> :)
10:34:56 <aleth> There is a dark bubbles theme?
10:34:57 <Mic> I haven't tweaked the look of the different colors (red/green there) independently (i.e. used the same saturation and lightness for them), so it actually shouldn't be hard to change to something like that.
10:35:05 <Mic> Bug 438
10:35:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438 min, --, 0.3a1, florian, RESO FIXED, Open links from conversations also on middle clicks
10:35:15 <Mic> ... or not.
10:35:35 <Mic> Bug 940 is requesting one
10:35:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=940 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, dark version of (Simple) Bubbles theme
10:36:05 <clokep> barlas: If you're interested in working on it...I'm sure we can help you along. :-D
10:37:12 <barlas> clokep: Haha, I am just trying to convince you to work on it.
10:37:19 <instantbot> bugi@media.fjmail.de requested review from benediktp@ymail.com  for attachment 1715 on bug 483.
10:37:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=483 min, --, ---, bugi, ASSI, Instantbird default theme has no preview image
10:38:16 <FeuerFliege> clokep: ok, so I have too blame bwinton :)
10:38:39 <clokep> Yes, and to andresn.
10:38:55 <clokep> I'm sure he'll see the bug though.
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10:50:40 <Mic> Haha, nice. I works to use the web inspection UI to inspect in-content things like the add-on manager. Cool :)
10:50:57 <Mic> (In Fx, of course)
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10:59:18 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com granted review for attachment 1715 on bug 483.
10:59:21 <barlas> Does logs always use bubble theme, or are they dependent on which theme we are using?
10:59:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=483 min, --, ---, bugi, ASSI, Instantbird default theme has no preview image
11:00:12 <barlas> Yello and green in log viewer is very bright for my eyes.
11:00:39 <barlas> And I can't find any option to change it.
11:00:58 <barlas> Ok, so it is dependent on the theme
11:01:04 <barlas> But it doesn't use the variant we are using.
11:01:22 <Mic> There's a known bug with MUCs iirc
11:01:51 <barlas> Mic: Talking about logs?
11:02:18 <Mic> Yes
11:02:56 <barlas> Assuming MUC is multi-user chat, I am justing chatting one-on-one.
11:03:04 <barlas> Using GoogleTalk.
11:07:06 <Mic> Bug 1236
11:07:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236 nor, --, 1.2, nobody, NEW, JSON log viewer conversation bubbles all have the same colour for libpurple IM conversations
11:10:05 <Mic> The color's computed only for multi-user chats, while a conversation with a single contact should use the selected color variant. The patch allows us to tell which of both a conversation was and only calls the color computation if it was a MUC.
11:10:44 <barlas> Ok
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11:11:07 <Mic> It has a patch already which is waiting for review, so sooner or later this bug will go away :)
11:11:39 <barlas> I hope sooner :)
11:13:15 <Mic> aleth, regarding this patch: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=1543&action=diff
11:13:55 <Mic> What happens for nightly logs that don't have the isChat field? Will something break?
11:15:20 <Mic> The isChat getter would return undefined as far as I can tell..
11:25:44 <instantbot> bugi@media.fjmail.de cancelled feedback?(florian@instantbi rd.org) for attachment 1713 on bug 483.
11:25:45 <instantbot> bugi@media.fjmail.de requested review from the wind for attachment 1718 on bug 483.
11:25:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=483 min, --, ---, bugi, ASSI, Instantbird default theme has no preview image
11:34:10 <aleth> Mic: It doesn't cause any errors or warnings. But of course existing MUC logs get displayed like conversations (as discussed in the bug)
11:34:36 <aleth> This only affects nightly users though.
11:37:11 <Mic> OK, good to know. I was concerned about the former, the latter is to be expected ;)
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12:14:55 * clokep_work wa sthinking of going over the https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ib-1-3 list and filing bugs.
12:14:58 <clokep_work> Does that make sense?
12:15:22 <aleth> Yes :)
12:15:30 <aleth> Sounds helpful
12:15:54 <aleth> and mark them 1.3-wanted ;)
12:17:16 <clokep_work> Yup!
12:17:29 <clokep_work> A lot have bugs already...
12:24:43 <clokep_work> aleth: I wonder if we should just replace the current Mozilla algorithm w/ Twitter's... :-S
12:24:46 <clokep_work> (For finding URLs, that is.)
12:25:18 <aleth> You mean, not just for twitter, but elsewhere too?
12:26:22 <aleth> I thought it was a counting issue not an url-spotting issue
12:27:58 <clokep_work> Yes, I'm talking about related issues.
12:29:54 <aleth> How good is it in comparison?... maybe I am wronly suspicious because of the twitter website being what it is...
12:34:09 <clokep_work> aleth: "Fix the listitem nicklist issues (if possible)" what does that refer to?
12:34:22 <aleth> The bugs I resolved the other day.
12:34:31 <clokep_work> aleth: I have no idea, I just know that the Mozilla code is BenB's crazy C++ code which seems to fail in certain situations...
12:34:32 * instantbot mumbles something about c++ being evil
12:34:55 <clokep_work> Do we really not have an infinite scrollback or searching of logs bugs? :(
12:34:59 <clokep_work> Or new conversation tab?
12:35:18 <aleth> Hmm... maybe they have been discussed so often they exist only virtually ;)
12:38:26 <clokep_work> It wouldn't surprise me. :-D
12:39:21 <aleth>  I suspect there's a whole bunch of bugs that do exist that a good new tab would fix...
12:39:35 <aleth> (bugs filed as problems with join chat)
12:39:49 <aleth> But maybe nothing specific.
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12:41:21 <clokep_work> I agree, I Just don't think there's a real one to make a new chat tab.
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12:47:34 <Mic|web> Salut
12:48:59 <clokep_work> Hello. :)
12:53:55 * clokep_work wonders if the unnamed person in that list is Mic|web...
12:54:15 <Mic|web> No, ... it's "Mic" ^^
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13:00:46 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1562 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
13:00:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1562 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Integrate Show Nick
13:15:04 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1563 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
13:15:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1563 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove WINCE support
13:28:20 <Mic|web> clokep_work: are you going to file more of the bugs there?
13:28:47 <clokep_work> Mic|web: Slowly, but feel free.
13:28:53 <clokep_work> I'm filing the memory reporter one now.
13:30:27 <instantbot> New Core - Debug bug 1564 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
13:30:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1564 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add memory reporters to purplexpcom
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13:39:14 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1565 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
13:39:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1565 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Pastebin integration
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13:44:28 * clokep_work can't wait for flo to read his bugmail. ;)
13:44:53 <aleth> After a week's absence... you'll both have fun ;)
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13:46:29 <clokep_work> I'll probably check my email a few times at least.
13:50:28 <clokep_work> I'll be happy to get a lot of review requests though. ;)
13:53:04 <clokep_work> aleth: You saw this bug recently I think: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=465
13:53:07 <instantbot> Bug 465 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unread status doesn't disappear when the tabbar-tab (instead of the content of the tab) had the focu
13:53:43 <aleth> Ah, is that the same? Could be...
13:54:12 <aleth> Shame there is no error console log in 465, that would clinch it
13:54:53 <clokep_work> I'm fairly certain they are.
14:00:31 <clokep_work> aleth: Do my STR work for you and give the error message?
14:02:41 <aleth> clokep_work: Your STR work, but I don't think it's the same thing as it produces no errors. Still trying to think of a potential 5th step that does though
14:03:57 <Mic|web> Which bug is the potential dupe of 465?
14:04:06 <aleth> bug 1537
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14:04:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1537 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Conv tab with an "unread" flag that is not cleared properly
14:04:31 <aleth> Not a dupe though. Can't see how 465 could produce those warnings/errors
14:05:05 <clokep_work> OK. :(
14:05:08 <clokep_work> Was hoping they were.
14:05:14 <aleth> Would have been nice...
14:08:15 <Mic|web> In my opinion this much sounds like a bug that we'll close in half a year with "Please reopen if this occured again" ;)
14:08:40 <Mic|web> (i.e. we'll never know what went wrong then)
14:08:45 <aleth> It's probably some race condition somewhere
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14:10:58 <clokep_work> My bug is reproducible. :-D
14:11:19 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes, it's also fairly clear what causes it :)
14:11:37 <clokep_work> Is it easily fixable? Maybe you can put in the bug how to fix it. :p
14:11:40 <clokep_work> (Or a patch!)
14:13:55 <aleth> I don't know how hard it would be to fix, but it seems clear some events that should be handled (unset the unread flag) aren't. 
14:14:12 <aleth> Whether it's easy depends on whether there are obvious corresponding events to catch...
14:18:13 <aleth> I can take a look at it at some point.
14:19:23 <clokep_work> If you'd like to. I thought from your statement you knew what the issue was already.
14:19:47 <aleth> yeah, that doesn't mean I know where exactly the code needs to be changed ;)
14:21:31 <aleth> The reason I think it should be doable is that as far as I can tell the unread ruler handles this case well already
14:22:50 <aleth> But it's not quite the same thing.
14:25:17 <Mic|web> aleth, clokep_work: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/7bab3908b1bd/instantbird/content/conversation.xml#l1223
14:30:11 <aleth> Mic|web: yes, but I think the fix would have to go here http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/tabbrowser.xml#2044
14:30:32 <Mic|web> I guess that's the place where the unread ruler's being removed? ;)
14:30:43 <aleth> One of them...
14:30:52 <aleth> But the line I pointed to is the opposite event
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14:46:44 <clokep_work> aleth, Mic|web: Can you guys make sure that if wnayes has questions they get answered? :) (Or at least noted so we can answer them when we get back!)?
14:47:47 <aleth> To the extent I can answer them... many of the things he is dealing with I don't know very well.
14:47:54 <clokep_work> (And I'll at least be reachable via my bugmail address if nothing else.)
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14:50:15 <Mic|web> Yes, sure.
14:50:31 <clokep_work> Great. :) Thanks guys.
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15:25:19 <Mic|web> Re bug 1271: http://i.qkme.me/3pwudc.jpg ;)
15:25:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1271 enh, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Missing keyboard shortcuts for "Put conversation on hold" and "Show logs"
15:29:39 <aleth> haha :D
15:30:08 <wnayes> clokep_work: I had wondered if any licenses were compatible with MPL, as there are several Blowfish js implementations already. It would make things a lot easier :).
15:33:28 <clokep_work> wnayes: Can you make a list and include links, the license (and a link to the license if oyu can find it)?
15:33:41 <clokep_work> And I can look over them and see (and if we really can't figure it out, we'll ask gerv).
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15:34:11 <wnayes> OK sure.
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15:34:54 <clokep_work> Thanks. :)
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16:00:59 <wnayes> clokep_work: Here's 5 so far: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/h6NtX8nyGK
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16:14:48 <flo> uh, so these new twitter icons were crappy? :(
16:15:34 <aleth> they weren't icons ;)
16:18:28 <clokep_work> wnayes: I believe both MIT and BSD are OK...I forget exactly what "New BSD" is compared to "BSD".
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16:19:50 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1719 on bug 465.
16:19:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=465 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Unread status doesn't disappear when the tabbar-tab (instead of the content of the tab) had the focu
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16:30:00 <wnayes> clokep_work: Sounds good, bCrypt (the BSD one) seems the best then?
16:30:09 <clokep_work> I didn't look at that one yet.
16:30:11 <clokep_work> Give me a second.
16:30:25 <clokep_work> wnayes: We could (of course) always take one of these and reformat the API so we like it.
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16:31:49 <clokep_work> wnayes: I honestly dislike all of those implementations. :-D
16:32:12 <clokep_work> But the MIT one and bCrypt.js seem reasonable.
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16:34:40 * clokep_work wonders how complicated an algorithm this even is...
16:35:17 <wnayes> clokep_work: I was looking at it last night, http://www.schneier.com/paper-blowfish-fse.html
16:37:35 <wnayes> I feel like the JS implementations are all basically the same, with maybe different ways of making the math work in the language.
16:39:19 <clokep_work> Yeah, choose the one you're most comfortable w/, we can always write our own at a later date if it's "wrong" or whatever.
16:39:26 <clokep_work> PS It would be good to verify the results somehow. :-D
16:40:17 <clokep_work> wnayes: Uhh.... http://code.google.com/p/javascript-bcrypt/source/browse/bCrypt.js#5 ?
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16:43:00 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1566 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
16:43:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1566 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Bubbles] Replace bubble-tip bitmaps with SVG
16:43:09 <aleth> Seems that hadn't been filed yet.
16:44:39 <clokep_work> Weird.
16:44:44 <clokep_work> Didn't someone kind of have that working at one point.
16:44:49 <clokep_work> (Aka Mic|web with all his random demos :P)
16:49:27 <wnayes> clokep_work: I might try the MIT licensed one first, seems to not have extra dependencies like some of the others.
16:50:12 <clokep_work> wnayes: That was my thought too. :) (Simpler == better!)
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16:54:08 <Mic|web> Yes, that was I. Problem was to get the indicators having the right colour. There's not much gained if have a dozen SVG images instead of a dozen bitmaps in my opinion.
16:55:15 <aleth> Don't lose the SVG code if that was the only problem!
16:55:58 <Mic|web> hmm, maybe we could have one greyscale image that gets transformed/colorized by different SVG filters which we'd apply from the variants' CSS files.
16:56:05 <Mic|web> Might be worth trying...
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16:57:15 <aleth> Can't you pass parameters to SVG via <object> and <param> ?
16:58:50 <Mic|web> Someone had a proposal for that and some demo code using Javascript in the SVG file (which isn't supported for us iirc).
16:58:52 <aleth> e.g. http://www.schepers.cc/svg/params/params.html
17:00:00 <aleth> Right, that uses JS inside the svg :-/
17:00:26 <clokep_work> Mic|web: I think a grayscale + filters should work.
17:01:12 <aleth> Yes, that sounds good, as long as it's not too slow.
17:04:38 <aleth> Or you could use the footer.html JS code to dynamically attach the required svg when the bubble is inserted?
17:06:10 <Mic|web> Replacing one evil with another ;)
17:06:17 <aleth> True...
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17:06:39 * aleth wonders why svg can't take parameters in the first place :-S
17:07:40 <aleth> (When I said "dynamically attach" I meant create it on-the-fly of course, not attaching some file)
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17:25:43 <Mic|web> bye
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19:43:08 <Mic> aleth: what's the move of rules from main.css to the blue pink variants for by the way? Don't you want it to work with all variants?
19:44:43 <aleth> Mic: It depends on the variant whether outgoing or incoming bubbles are on the right. Similarly if all are on the left then I didn't want centered system messages.
19:49:47 <clokep> W'eve opened a lot of bugs recently. :(
19:50:08 <aleth> Closed a lot too though ;)
19:50:54 <aleth> Is the gap widening?
19:51:07 <clokep> Yes.
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19:52:42 <Mic> I still don't understand, here's the diff that I'm looking at (changes between 1.7 and 1.8 minus the SVG-filter hunk to simplify matters): http://pastebin.instantbird.com/48685
19:53:58 <aleth> Which part is unclear?
19:54:29 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1720 on bug 1561.
19:54:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1561 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Remove libpurple's pretentious /wallops help message
19:54:35 <Mic> Why you moved the rules ... doesn't that mean it won't work with most of the variants?
19:54:56 <aleth> Ah! I think you missed that I deleted most of the variants.
19:55:08 <aleth> Couldn't be bothered to support all of them :P
19:55:48 <aleth> These add-ons are kind of to test things out anyway, but they may as well be public.
19:56:39 <aleth> clokep: 543/1565 resolved bugs, that's a bit more than a third :(
19:57:18 <Mic> aleth: indeed! Thanks for pointing that out
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20:14:58 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 108 to DUPLICATE of bug 1007.
20:15:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Show buddy icons in at least one of the default message themes
20:15:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1007 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Bubbles theme with avatar
20:19:42 <Mic> I like the look of this: http://s.techairlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Word-Info.jpg
20:20:12 <Mic> I had to think of vertical tabs and that it could look quite good there too ;)
20:21:27 <aleth> Mic:  can this be closed as obsolete? bug 185
20:21:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Drawing error on the conversation window (edited)
20:23:13 <Mic> I can't reproduce this anymore, I think the topic bar was the culprit
20:23:26 <Mic> There's still other things in there, though
20:23:43 <Mic> Size contraints for windows iirc...
20:24:03 <aleth> Maybe retitle and extract the useful bits?
20:24:19 <Mic> I think we want to do this either way: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185#c4
20:24:23 <instantbot> Bug 185 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Drawing error on the conversation window (edited)
20:24:32 <Mic> So I guess retitling is fine
20:24:47 <Mic> Or close it and file a new one with flo's suggestions.
20:25:37 <aleth> Hmm, interesting. On Linux there is absolutely no problem when resizing horizontally.
20:25:56 <aleth> Of course it becomes unusuable, but that's kind of obvious ;)
20:32:24 <Mic> Bugs blocking an INVALID meta bug sounds wrong...
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20:35:00 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 315 to WORKSFORME.
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20:35:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=315 tri, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Bad copy when copying the nick of an action (/me) message
20:35:20 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1567 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
20:35:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1567 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Send button in conversation window
20:35:44 <aleth> I _really_ dislike the idea of a send button.
20:36:06 * Mic too.
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20:41:25 <clokep> Me three.
20:41:32 <aleth> Resolve wontfix?
20:42:18 <wnayes> A "Send" entry in the context menu of the text entry could solve the "mouse only" issue.
20:42:48 <aleth> Yes, that sounds like a good idea.
20:42:54 <clokep> I disagree.
20:42:57 <clokep> It's not discoverable.
20:43:00 <clokep> That's the point of that bug.
20:43:03 <Mic> The context menu is not discoverable
20:43:11 <aleth> But nobody is looking.
20:43:23 <aleth> (Apart from power users who have just pasted something with the mouse)
20:45:34 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1722 on bug 1540.
20:45:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1540 nor, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Handle 432: Erroneous nickname
20:45:51 <clokep> aleth: The point of that bug is for people who are naive users.
20:46:07 <clokep> (E.g. someone's mother.)
20:46:40 <aleth> Totally inexperienced users are a different issue. The most inexperienced user I have seen sat before IB (struggles with email), immediately and experimentally pressed return after typing a message. At that point one discovers it got sent. Bingo.
20:47:00 <aleth> I suspect this is an experienced user's mistaken idea of what a naive user struggles with.
20:47:21 <clokep> I have a feeling it's from florian watching someone try to use Instantbird for the first time and noting an issue. ;)
20:47:30 <aleth> OK...
20:47:34 <aleth> People differ ;)
20:47:46 <clokep> Yeah.
20:47:50 <clokep> I'd say leave it open for now.
20:47:56 <clokep> We can always close it in a week. :P
20:48:09 <clokep> wnayes: Is that blowfish implementation working for you?
20:48:21 * clokep had totally forgotten to write those tests btw.
20:50:01 <aleth> Is there no built-in JS method for what isEqual does?
20:50:21 * aleth is surprised
20:50:33 <wnayes> clokep: Not as of now, but I feel it could be some encoding issue or something. Right now I'm just trying to find a program that will do the decryption to make sure I have a valid key.
20:50:56 <clokep> Alright. :)
20:51:00 <clokep> aleth: I don't think there is.
20:51:07 <clokep> Maybe Mook_as would know. :-D
20:52:22 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird.org for attachment 1722 on bug 1540.
20:52:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1540 nor, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Handle 432: Erroneous nickname
20:52:50 * Mook_as wonders what isEqual does
20:53:05 <Mook_as> JS usually just uses operator ==
20:53:24 <clokep> Mook_as: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=1722&action=diff
20:53:30 <clokep> I'm trying to compare two different objects though.
20:53:36 <clokep> That have the same internal values.
20:53:44 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 327 to INCOMPLETE.
20:53:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INCOMPLETE, Buddy icons missing (ICQ/Trillian)
20:55:18 <Mook_as> yeah, in that case you need your own. (also, you can just use early returns on false...)
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20:56:00 <clokep> Yeah that would work too.
20:56:08 <clokep> We'll see what flo thinks. :)
20:58:33 <clokep> aleth: Actually most languages have the issue that == (for objects) checks memory locations, not the actual like contents of the object.
20:58:36 <clokep> Unless you override the method.
20:58:43 <clokep> (i.e. Java has .equals methods on most Objects)
20:58:55 <aleth> clokep: Yes, I know. But often there is a special method you can call to compare contents
20:59:20 <aleth> (well, in C it would be in some library, so yeah...)
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21:00:42 <clokep> Yeah, I mean we could add a .equals method to the irc object that gets returned, but that seems silly. :-D
21:00:51 <aleth> Yup :D
21:00:52 <Mook_as> JS has === that would have been perfectly fine for object memory locations
21:01:02 <aleth> Googling finds this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1068834/object-comparison-in-javascript
21:01:21 <aleth> which is a souped-up version of isEquals...
21:01:49 <clokep> aleth: Mine only covers the bits that are needed. ;)
21:01:57 <aleth> Sure :)
21:02:10 <clokep> (That one also doesn't handle Arrays?)
21:02:20 <aleth> The second answer is better I think
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21:03:37 <Mic> clokep: yours is checking if all fields of object1 are in object 2, but not that all fields of object2 are in object1 as well.
21:03:51 <clokep> Mic: I know, but we know what the objects being created are.
21:04:01 <clokep> It's a dirty assumption, but I thought it was OK.
21:17:31 <clokep> Thank you for the review btw aleth.
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21:18:47 <aleth> The nice thing about getting rid of /wallops is that /w will complete to whois :)
21:19:04 <clokep> Exactly my thought too!
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21:19:52 <aleth> Mic: Thanks for looking at the add-on! :)
21:20:45 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted review for attachment 1720 on bug 1561.
21:20:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1561 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Remove libpurple's pretentious /wallops help message
21:21:56 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 383 to WONTFIX.
21:21:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=383 tri, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Use Template.html in the message theme system
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21:26:24 <flo> is anybody writing to translators to announce the string freeze?
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21:36:06 <FeuerFliege> flo: is it possible to run the buildbot again and let commits start a language pack build?
21:37:33 <FeuerFliege> would be nice so see the results of what we are doing …
21:37:46 * clokep didn't realize we are actually string frozen. :P
21:37:55 <clokep> I can do it tomorrow though. I think I have access to that list.
21:40:14 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 482 to WORKSFORME.
21:40:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, "Connect now" from the "Autoconnection disabled" abr doesn't obey "Offline mode"
21:41:25 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 594 to INCOMPLETE.
21:41:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INCOMPLETE, Create separate directory for each OS theme
21:46:48 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 651 to FIXED.
21:46:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651 nor, --, 1.2, nobody, RESO FIXED, Uncaught exception when trying to send message on a disconnected account
21:48:08 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 657 to DUPLICATE of bug 656.
21:48:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Trying to join chatroom on disconnected account gives no feedback what's wrong
21:48:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=656 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Error when selecting disconnected account on the 'Join Chat'-dialog
21:48:58 <aleth> flo: I think bug 668 is fixed, right?
21:49:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, redesign authorization requests
21:49:39 <flo> FeuerFliege: "flo: is it possible to run the buildbot again and let commits start a language pack build?" it's too late to fix it, I'm afraid Even is already gone.
21:49:45 <flo> but buildbot-l10n actually works
21:49:54 <flo> it's the queuing of the jobs after commits that doesn't work
21:50:11 <flo> so if some of you want to force builds from the web UI, that produces lang packs ;)
21:51:12 <FeuerFliege> I guess I need a password for that, right?
21:51:27 <flo> FeuerFliege: that's likely
21:51:49 <flo> but I could add passwords (I think I have enough privileges on the server to grant that)
21:53:36 <FeuerFliege> :)
21:55:47 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1192 to DUPLICATE of bug 708.
21:55:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1192 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, MSN does not display user icons
21:55:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [libpurple MSN] Buddy icon support is broken
21:55:54 <flo> FeuerFliege: the page is http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/builders/translate
21:56:19 <flo> one needs to put the locale name in the "Branch to build: " field and press the "Force build" button
22:01:22 <FeuerFliege> and then you have to enter a username and a password
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22:04:17 <flo> FeuerFliege: can you try ending the username/password you use for the de repository?
22:04:39 <flo> if what I've done worked correctly, I've just gave access to all translators :)
22:05:35 <FeuerFliege> Yay!
22:05:45 <FeuerFliege> It works.
22:06:11 <clokep> Now someone needs to document those steps. ;)
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22:08:34 <flo> that's far from perfect though, as: 1. the builder is offline most of the time (I think it comes only from 1am to 9am French time, or something like that) 2. It doesn't seem possible from the job queue to see which locales are pending :-/. 3. Translators need to find themselves the relevant log file on the waterfall :-/
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22:11:29 <flo> but yeah, would be awesome if anybody could write a string freeze announcement very soon. Explain what the current situation is (how close from release, that most developers are in vacations) ; explain that the en-US repository has changed and should be cloned again from scratch, but works correctly ; explain that http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/locales-status.html mostly works, but gives false positives for topProtocol.prpl-* strings
22:12:10 <flo> and explain the current situation with buildbot-l10n, and that people needing help with this should go bug FeuerFliege who apparently knows how to use it :)
22:13:46 <clokep> Any change you'd want to do that FeuerFliege? :-D
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22:15:05 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 777 to WORKSFORME.
22:15:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Command history in multi-user chats (MUCs)
22:15:09 <flo> and I should go to bed very soon. I'll drive 10 hours both tomorrow and sunday ;)
22:15:20 <flo> s/10/10+/
22:15:47 <aleth> Have a great holiday flo! :)
22:17:48 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 778 to WONTFIX.
22:17:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Input history on conversations
22:18:07 <FeuerFliege> clokep: I can write the mail if no one else volunteers (a native speaker perhaps?)  
22:18:32 <clokep> FeuerFliege: I can read it over if you'd like?
22:18:32 <flo> aleth: I don't think "an add-on exists" is a reason to WONTFIX. Quite the opposite.
22:18:49 <flo> It's a nice add-on that can be considered as an experimentation for a future feature (in the case of bug 778)
22:18:57 <flo> (which IMHO is quite wanted)
22:19:24 <aleth> But then the discussion should be about that... that's what I meant by the comment.
22:19:51 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cleared the Resolution 'WONTFIX' from bug 778.
22:19:52 <flo> FeuerFliege: if you could do it (and reply to questions from translators while clokep, Even and I will be offline), it would be great! :)
22:19:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778 enh, --, ---, nobody, REOP, Input history on conversations
22:20:52 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cleared the Resolution 'WORKSFORME' from bug 777.
22:20:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777 enh, --, ---, nobody, REOP, Command history in multi-user chats (MUCs)
22:23:42 <FeuerFliege> clokep, flo: I will answer questions from translators if I can and I will write the mail. But not right now, I need to go to bed, too.
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22:24:16 <clokep> Good night. :)
22:24:21 <clokep> Thanks!
22:24:24 <FeuerFliege> good night, bye.
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22:25:00 <aleth> Hmm, I always thought bug 840 was what already happened...
22:25:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=840 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Set to "away" automatically when locking the OS.
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22:28:23 <clokep> aleth: I think the UI for authorization requests was redone slightly.
22:28:33 <clokep> But that bug is about an major overhaul.
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22:29:10 <aleth> It's definitely not modal anymore, which is the main thing.
22:29:31 <aleth> But thanks.
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22:31:13 <clokep> Yes, modal == the devil.
22:33:45 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1567 to DUPLICATE of bug 1264.
22:33:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1567 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Send button in conversation window
22:33:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1264 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add a discoverable way to send messages
22:38:22 <aleth> Bug 1004, wasn't that done? (it refers to the contact list)
22:38:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1004 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Replace CSS transitions with CSS animations where appropriate
22:38:48 <clokep> I think we now use CSS transitions, it used to be JS timers.
22:40:38 <aleth> Ah, I misunderstood. Mic is suggesting CSS /animations/ not transitions
22:41:19 <clokep> Yes. :)
22:41:46 <clokep> aleth: Updated using graphviz http://i.imgur.com/oY6WB.png
22:41:59 <clokep> (I need to fix the spacing a bit though...)
22:42:41 <aleth> Some of those arrows are on top of each other :)
22:42:47 <aleth> Looks like it will be neat though!
22:42:55 <aleth> Does it auto-arrange the items?
22:42:59 <clokep> Yes.
22:43:05 <clokep> I want to have it arranged more by year though. :-/
22:43:28 <clokep> So apparently everything inherits from Hybrid...and Charybdis inherits from everything. ;)
22:43:52 <aleth> If you had it vertically spaced by year you might get both...
22:44:05 <clokep> Maybe.
22:44:12 <clokep> I think it would be good if I just pad vertically more. :)
22:44:24 <aleth> Hybrid - the ur-server ;)
22:46:13 <clokep> There's a few WTFs in there too: beware ircd is written in Delphi and RockIRCd in QuickBASIC.
22:48:12 <aleth> QuickBASIC :D
22:48:12 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1013 to DUPLICATE of bug 1472.
22:48:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1013 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, A less obtrusive way to display NickServ/ChanServ IRC messages
22:48:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1472 enh, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Handle a ChanServ entry message
22:48:44 <aleth> I'm not sure if that isn't strangely impressive...
22:49:34 <aleth> I'm surprised QuickBASIC could even access the internet.
22:50:00 * clokep shrugs.
22:50:16 <clokep> I saw something on StackOverflow about "How do I make an IRC client using just shell scripts."
22:50:21 <clokep> And everyone was like (o_O) Why?
22:51:42 <aleth> ...
22:51:48 <Mook_as> so I can send messages like " ; rm -rf ~
22:52:12 * clokep /kicks Mook_as
22:56:48 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1317 to DUPLICATE of bug 1039.
22:56:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1317 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, People you follow on twitter should be buddies in a Twitter tag group
22:56:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1039 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add followed people to the buddy list
22:59:16 <clokep> We have a lot of dups. :-S
23:06:57 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1500 to WONTFIX.
23:07:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1500 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Ability to specify alternative IRC nick
23:16:44 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 39 to WONTFIX.
23:16:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39 enh, P5, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Extending XMPP (transport, service discovery)via xmpp4moz
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23:27:02 <clokep> Is that really what that bug said? :-S
23:27:43 <aleth> "So, why InstantBird cant use xmpp4moz for operations with jabber transports and services if libpurple have no interest in such things?"
23:28:20 <clokep> I think it was more interested in getting service discovery then in using xmpp4moz. ;)
23:28:38 <aleth> Hmm.
23:29:22 <aleth> Maybe... I didn't understand it that way.
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23:36:13 <clokep> I didn't re-read it, so you're probably right. :-D