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11:22:57 <Mic> When calling Services.core.init() first thing (beside a message to the error console) in startup(), I'm getting a bunch of these errors (only at application startup, not when the extension is enabled later): http://pastebin.instantbird.com/42810
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12:10:10 <flo> Mic: do you have accounts with unknown protocols?
12:10:35 <flo> I usually see that error when initializing the core once per account buddy of an unknown protocol
12:10:42 <flo> (= nothing to worry about)
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13:18:05 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1444 to DUPLICATE of bug 1442.
13:18:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1444 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Basic test for IRC messages
13:18:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1442 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC messages that need a : for the last parameter broken
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14:04:15 <Mic> I've now noticed that if and only if I call Services.core.init() at start of the extension, the StudiVZ protocol plugin isn't loaded and the account I've set up for it shows the 'missing protocol plugin' error message, so the error I see might be exactly what you're describing here, flo. (Plus my extension breaking the protocol extension somehow (maybe by calling ...core.init() earlier than is good?)).
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14:09:20 <aleth> Are you trying to write a restartless protocol, Mic?
14:09:38 <Mic> aleth: no
14:12:51 <Mic> It's still the attempt at session restore.
14:15:53 <Mic> I'm struggling with restoring accounts (the first thing I tried) because I can't tell if or when the core is initialized.
14:17:56 <Mic> What I'd like best is if I could check if the core is loaded already and if not, register a observer that waits for it to finish.
14:20:12 <FeuerFliege> Do these changes http://pastebin.instantbird.com/42825 make sense for bug 1108?
14:20:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Names of folder and files are not checked against forbidden names.
14:21:52 <clokep> FeuerFliege: Does pttr really need to be a regex?
14:22:03 <clokep> And if you're going to do it in two places, make it a function. :)
14:22:07 <aleth> Mic: Why not write that as a patch for the core, maybe taking a look at FF session restore? Probably much easier than doing it as an add-on.
14:22:26 <Mic> aleth: I wanted to play with it first :)
14:23:11 <Mic> And additionally logiclord had shown interest in it, so I wanted to do that as a personal project just for myself ;)
14:23:45 <aleth> logiclord did make a start, but has anyone heard from him since he got a different gsoc project?
14:24:28 <aleth> Btw I was thinking, when your context message from logs patch lands, that's probably half the work for infinite scroll done :)
14:25:22 <Mic> Yes, and I thought that loading old messages + session restore would be awesome too :)
14:25:59 <aleth> Two great things that go well together :D
14:26:42 <aleth> Should bug 1108 be 1.2-wanted?
14:26:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Names of folder and files are not checked against forbidden names.
14:27:12 <clokep> No.
14:29:54 <Mic> I need to go
14:30:04 <Mic> Have a nice day/weekend
14:30:47 <Optimizer1> are restartless add-ons possible in IB ?
14:30:59 <Mic> Yes, since quite a while already
14:31:26 <Optimizer1> nice, I am fed up of restarting my IB
14:31:52 <Optimizer1> is it similar to Firefox ?
14:31:57 <Mic> aleth: I managed to load Omegle from a restartless extension already, by the way. I wasn't able to unload the component again at shutdown, though. (and something in the core also doesn't support it)
14:32:03 <aleth> Optimizer1: Exactly the same
14:32:04 <Mic> Optimizer1: Exactly the same
14:32:11 <aleth> ^^ :D
14:32:22 <Mic> lol
14:32:26 <Optimizer1> D
14:33:02 <Optimizer1> Why am I Optimizer1, when I have set the alias to Optimizer
14:33:22 <aleth> Probably you were still logged on to the server as Optimizer when you logged on
14:33:22 <Optimizer1> to me in my IB my name is Optimizer, but for you it shows you Optimizer1
14:33:43 <aleth> When there is a nick clash, a number is added.
14:33:45 <Mic> That's the alias/display name and shows only for you.
14:33:53 <Optimizer1> maybe when the connection looses because of network problem
14:34:14 <aleth> Yes, that's the usual reason.
14:34:17 <Optimizer1> and I reconnect within minutes, the previous logged in does not log out yet ?
14:34:22 <Optimizer1> hmm
14:34:34 <aleth> There is a server-side timeout
14:34:45 <Optimizer1> time ?
14:35:01 <aleth> The server waits some time before cancelling the open connection
14:35:22 <Optimizer1> since not there is no Optimizer, If I reconnect mannually will I be able to get Optimizer ?
14:35:34 <aleth> probably.
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14:36:44 <Optimizer1> I am still Optimizer1, even though Optimizer was available :|
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14:37:40 <aleth> clokep: ^^ isn't that counter supposed to reset on disconnect?
14:38:16 <Optimizer1> lemmi restart
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14:38:45 <Mic> Might be a nice IRC extension: if (nick is in use already && there is a password (i.e. nick registered?)) ghost/recover/whatever + change nick + authorize ?
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14:41:17 <clokep> aleth: I forget whether we actually fixed that or ont.
14:41:27 <aleth> It seems not :(
14:41:30 <clokep> Mic: I want that to be in the core. :P
14:41:49 <Mic> clokep: fine with me ;)
14:42:00 <clokep> I haven't looked into services at all yet. :)
14:42:11 <clokep> Optimizer: You can always just do /nick Optimizer too.
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14:42:22 <aleth> it's OK if some features are left over for 1.3 :)
14:42:28 * clokep can't remember his router's IP address. :-S
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14:43:04 <Optimizer1> oaky it works :)
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14:43:58 <Mic> clokep: look at the default gateway in ipconfig?
14:44:11 <Optimizer> If i change the first alphabet and then my name shifts in the nick list to a diff position, and thus my color changes, will that color be reflected in the chat ?
14:44:12 <clokep> Mic: Well it wasn't really the IP...it was the port for logging in. ;)
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14:44:22 <clokep> (Turns out I just needed to use SSL. :-D)
14:44:34 <aaaOpti> Oh color does not changes 
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14:44:52 <Mic> It's stored to prevent exactly this problem
14:45:09 <Optimizer> hmmm
14:45:39 <Mic> Should "Opt" complete to "aaaOpti" is he changed his nick seconds ago? ;)
14:45:42 <aleth> It will change if you reopen the conversation from hold I think.
14:46:12 <aleth> Completion always reflects nicks as they exist on the server ;)
14:46:24 <aleth> otherwise pings won't work.
14:46:56 <Optimizer> since I was usinf mibbit, I am not used to /nick  /me etc commands :)
14:47:00 <aleth> But I see what you mean...
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14:49:00 <clokep_js> :)
14:49:15 <clokep_js> Guess who can send messages with colons and spaces?!
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14:49:45 <aleth> Freenode here we come! ;)
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14:51:00 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1446 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
14:51:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1446 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reset nick modified due to nick collision when disconnecting the account
14:52:58 <clokep> aleth: You have a minute to review this?
14:53:17 <aleth> Yup.
14:55:16 <clokep> Thanks.
14:55:24 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1485 on bug 1442.
14:55:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1442 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC messages that need a : for the last parameter broken
14:56:22 <clokep> You'll want to smack me when you see the error. ;)
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14:58:33 <aleth> Huh. Should have caught that on review too :-/
14:59:46 <clokep> Oh well. :)
14:59:49 <clokep> Easy enough to fix.
14:59:58 <aleth> It's what happens when you have slice and pop/push close to each other...
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15:00:19 <aleth> Yes, much better than some weird server-specific mess...
15:00:27 <clokep> Yup. I think I originally had a concat in there too which uses an array.
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15:02:31 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted review for attachment 1485 on bug 1442.
15:02:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1442 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC messages that need a : for the last parameter broken
15:19:25 <clokep> Thanks aleth.
15:29:10 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1486 on bug 1433.
15:29:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1433 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Switching status from OFFLINE to UNAVAILABLE actually sets status to AVAILABLE
15:29:51 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1480 on bug 1433.
15:32:12 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1487 on bug 1446.
15:32:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1446 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Reset nick modified due to nick collision when disconnecting the account
15:33:43 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted review for attachment 1486 on bug 1433.
15:33:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1433 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Switching status from OFFLINE to UNAVAILABLE actually sets status to AVAILABLE
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15:37:11 <Optimizer> why cc me :D
15:37:23 <aleth> Optimizer: You reported the bug :D
15:37:28 <Optimizer> D
15:37:31 <Optimizer> okay
15:38:15 <aleth> (usually do this because it might not be the case that something gets fixed immediately, then it's nice to get mail when it lands)
15:38:28 <Optimizer> hehe
15:38:42 <clokep> aleth: Did you try just moving the code that splits the account name into nick / server into the connect method?
15:39:42 <aleth> I didn't dare doing that as I wasn't sure it wouldn't be needed before.
15:41:33 <aleth> Something might try to access the nickname/server when the account is not yet connected, I wasn't certain about that.
15:42:06 <clokep> I don't think so, they're "private" variables.
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15:43:21 <clokep> The only way I could see it being an issue is if you try to open a conversation without being connected.
15:43:27 <aleth> Yes.
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15:43:53 <clokep> Which doesn't work anyway.
15:44:33 <clokep> Hmm....if you mouseover buddies while disconnect it tries to send the WHOIS request. :-S
15:45:05 <aleth> (
15:45:37 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 1487 on bug 1446.
15:45:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1446 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Reset nick modified due to nick collision when disconnecting the account
15:46:15 <aleth> Certainly more elegant to move it to connect...
15:46:42 <Optimizer> you guys don't take a weekend off?
15:47:07 <Optimizer> P
15:47:25 <clokep> Optimizer: We don't get paid. ;)
15:47:41 <Optimizer> so what do you do actually ?
15:47:46 <Optimizer> (to earn money)
15:48:31 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1447 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
15:48:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1447 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Stop requesting WHOIS information when offline
15:48:42 <clokep> I have a day job, which I don't work on weekends. ;)
15:48:51 <Optimizer> what kind of ? :P
15:48:59 <aleth> clokep: When do the account buddies get added?
15:49:55 <clokep> aleth: When everything is initialized, does that use _nickname?
15:50:47 <aleth> If the user herself has an account buddy, maybe. And it might need to use _server quite soon to fix that other bug.
15:51:18 <clokep> If the user has an account buddy? What?
15:51:22 <clokep> What line of code is concerning you? :)
15:51:40 <aleth> None at present :) I was thinking of the second part.
15:52:31 <aleth> Ah OK, there's only a ChatBuddy for the user, so forget about the first part.
15:54:44 <clokep> aleth: The servername might be necessary for that bug about non-unique buddies.
15:54:56 <aleth> That's the one I meant.
15:57:46 <Optimizer> How does the money to host the site and manage everything else comes ?
15:58:18 <clokep> aleth: If you really want to leave it as a function, call it something like parseName, and call it in the constructor + the connect method. Not the disconnect method.
15:58:37 <clokep> Optimizer: flo and Even pay for it AFAIK.
15:59:02 <Optimizer> oh
15:59:06 <Optimizer> damn
15:59:17 <Optimizer> what drives you guys ?
15:59:31 <aleth> clokep: Right. Thanks for the feedback!
16:00:54 <aleth> gtg, will look at it later
16:01:21 <clokep> aleth: Thanks for fixing it. :)
16:01:35 <clokep> Optimizer: Making a good IM client. ;)
16:01:43 <clokep> I'm sure it depends a bit on the person.
16:02:01 <clokep> But maybe http://instantbird.org/ explains it a bit?
16:07:41 <clokep> Time for me to go too though. :)
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16:29:25 <FeuerFliege> aleth: so bug 1445 is a dupe of bug 1442, right?
16:29:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1445 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Messages are cut off before first [Space] on freenode server
16:29:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1442 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC messages that need a : for the last parameter broken
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19:10:16 <aleth> FeuerFliege: Not quite, but it will be fixed in the same patch, as it's a regression due to the same change.
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19:41:57 <instantbot> bugi@media.fjmail.de requested feedback from the wind for attachment 1488 on bug 1108.
19:41:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108 min, --, ---, bugi, ASSI, Names of folder and files are not checked against forbidden names.
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20:13:35 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1489 on bug 1446.
20:13:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1446 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Reset nick modified due to nick collision when disconnecting the account
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23:36:12 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1490 on bug 1447.
23:36:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1447 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Stop requesting WHOIS information when offline