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00:27:36 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 00:52:27 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 00:52:30 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 00:56:13 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 10.0.2/20120215223356]) 01:04:56 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 01:36:14 * bear-afk is now known as bear 01:39:53 * bear is now known as bear-afk 01:57:46 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout) 01:59:00 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 02:00:28 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 02:05:33 <-- wnayes has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 02:13:58 <clokep> If you don't read Eion Robb's blog... http://eion.robbmob.com/blog/2012/05/17/summer-of-code-2012/ 02:14:44 <EionRobb> I don't 02:15:43 <douglaswth> lol 02:16:38 <clokep> EionRobb: Well I hope you don't read your own blog after writing it...that'd be a little...conceited? :P 02:17:14 <douglaswth> yeah, he might find typos 02:18:44 <EionRobb> proof reading is just ineffiecient [sic] ;) 02:21:27 <clokep> I look forward to what you guys find though! :) 02:21:34 <clokep> Let u sknow if we can help out or whatever. 02:22:54 <EionRobb> :) 02:24:00 <EionRobb> any other stats you're interested in? 02:33:09 <clokep> I mean in general we're just interested in what people use, but the based on locale one we're very interested in. :) 02:34:31 <clokep> aleth: So...my tree is a mess right now and I think I need to rebuild it. :( Sorry I haven't reviewd your patch yet... 02:48:45 <instant-buildbot> build #500 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/500 03:20:23 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 03:53:10 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 6.0/20110811165603]) 04:27:13 <instant-buildbot> build #593 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/593 04:33:42 --> meh has joined #instantbird 04:56:32 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 04:58:47 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 05:00:34 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 05:13:57 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 05:18:46 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 05:19:26 --> jb has joined #instantbird 05:22:55 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 05:25:15 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 05:25:54 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 05:29:38 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 05:32:49 <-- pvagner has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 05:43:02 --> meh` has joined #instantbird 05:43:47 <-- meh has quit (Ping timeout) 05:43:53 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 05:44:49 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 05:45:40 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 05:46:08 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 05:53:57 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 06:03:25 <instant-buildbot> build #486 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/486 06:06:20 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 06:47:36 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 06:49:00 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 06:50:37 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 06:50:51 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 06:51:01 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 06:55:06 <-- meh` has quit (Quit: I don't want to live on this planet anymore.) 06:57:05 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 07:08:11 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 07:08:35 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 07:09:15 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 07:09:15 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 07:11:16 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 07:16:20 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 07:16:51 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 07:28:08 <-- gpsychosis has quit (Connection reset by peer) 07:28:10 --> gpsychosis has joined #instantbird 07:34:45 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 07:34:54 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:35:00 <-- gpsychosis has quit (Connection reset by peer) 07:38:49 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 07:38:54 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 07:43:11 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 07:44:17 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 07:44:35 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 07:44:46 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 07:49:46 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 07:49:49 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:50:48 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 07:50:58 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 07:51:02 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 07:59:00 --> meh has joined #instantbird 08:00:06 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 08:00:20 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 08:13:50 --> gpsychosis has joined #instantbird 08:17:13 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 08:17:16 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 08:18:52 <-- EionRobb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 08:24:48 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 08:24:58 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 08:28:51 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 08:29:17 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 08:29:23 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 08:29:25 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 08:31:39 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 08:31:39 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 08:32:26 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:32:26 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 08:32:35 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 08:32:41 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:32:41 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 08:35:57 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 08:36:07 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 08:47:31 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 08:47:45 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 08:51:42 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 08:51:47 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 08:55:11 <-- gpsychosis has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 08:55:14 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 08:56:48 <flo> EionRobb: knowing how soon the old operating systems die could also be interesting. Are there still a significant usage of Pidgin on Windows 2000? On Windows XP without service pack? 08:57:05 <flo> to determine if it's worth keeping old code specifically targeting theses OSes in place 08:59:53 <flo> for Instantbird I would also say on Mac OS X 10.5 and on PPC, but I doubt Pidgin's stats could be of any help for that 08:59:53 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 09:01:19 <EionRobb> yep, we've got OS and OS version detection in there already, and he's working on the arch detection at the moment 09:03:59 <flo> thanks 09:04:15 <flo> your blog post said "see what operating systems Pidgin runs on primarily" so I wasn't sure if you planned on covering details such as which SP is installed 09:13:34 --> Optimizer1 has joined #instantbird 09:14:07 <-- Optimizer1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 09:14:11 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 09:19:23 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 09:19:45 --> flo has joined #instantbird 09:19:46 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:21:00 --> flo1 has joined #instantbird 09:25:17 <flo> I wonder how difficult it would be to make the keyboard work on the new protocol list of the account wizard 09:25:50 <flo> I'm creating a test twitter account and I typed "T" several times on my keyboard before accepting that it wasn't going to work and I had to use the arrows to select the twitter item 09:25:53 <EionRobb> totally impossible. not even worth attempting ;) 09:26:12 <flo> right, I won't attempt it myself :-P 09:28:05 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1438 filed by florian@instantbird.org. 09:28:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1438 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Typing the beginning of a protocol name listed in the top protocols should select it 09:37:52 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1439 filed by florian@instantbird.org. 09:37:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1439 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make unambiguous command prefixes work as command aliases 09:39:05 <flo> hmm, the "would you like to remember password for this website" prompt for the twitter oauth dialog is annoying. 09:39:38 <flo> Should we somehow turn off the password manager? (is it even possible now that we use it for accounts?) Or add the twitter website hostname in the list of "never remember passwords for this website" list automatically? 09:41:15 <aleth> Maybe have a central pref for "Remember passwords", set by default, and if it is not unset by the user remember passwords automatically (sane for most users I think)? 09:41:47 <flo> aleth: the whole point of OAuth is that we are supposed to not store the user's password 09:42:05 <aleth> Oh, OK. 09:42:18 <aleth> Then I am confused - why is there a question then? 09:42:47 <flo> would be nice to know 09:42:53 <aleth> If we don't need to store it, why store it? 09:44:36 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 09:46:28 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1440 filed by florian@instantbird.org. 09:46:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1440 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, The password manager prompt to store the password entered in the Twitter OAuth dialog is annoying 09:46:33 <flo> it seems that I'm going to file more bugs than I will fix today ;) 09:46:52 <aleth> One of those days... 09:47:12 <flo> I'm looking for steps to reproduce the twitter issue (tweets not being sent until an account is disconnected) 09:47:23 <flo> it would be awesome to have a reliable way to reproduce that 09:47:40 <flo> now that I know the OAuth dialog not showing issue is unrelated 09:48:21 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1441 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm. 09:48:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1441 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't automatically focus status editbox on changing status 09:49:39 <aleth> I've never encountered most of the tweets not sent/unable to reconnect issues. I wonder if there is an OS-specific element or if it's merely related to flaky connections. 09:49:49 <flo> aleth: as phrased that bug is wontfix/invalid 09:50:00 <flo> you are proposing to remove the only discoverable way to edit one's status message 09:50:35 <aleth> flo: Well, then one should discuss that further ;) 09:50:50 <aleth> Making something discoverable shouldn't get in the way 09:50:50 <flo> aleth: I've had it only with a non-flacky connection (= at the office or at my parents), after being connected for several hours with 20 or so accounts connected at once :-/ 09:51:18 <flo> aleth: I think your valid point there is "reusing a previous status with its associated status message should be easier" 09:51:55 <aleth> My main point is I find it frustrating every time I change status with the mouse that I find myself stuck on that textbox, wildly clicking around. 09:52:25 <aleth> To the extent that I change status less often than I otherwise would. 09:52:30 <flo> just don't do it? :-p 09:53:09 <flo> either don't click (there's a timeout to validate the new status if you don't do anything with the textbox for a few seconds; or you can press enter to validate immediately) 09:53:16 <aleth> Sure, I get that. 09:53:31 <aleth> But I suspect that I'm not the only one with that instinctive response. 09:53:35 <flo> or don't set the status with the mouse (I do it only with the /away command, which is probably a good indication that the clickable selector sucks) 09:53:46 <aleth> Exactly. 09:54:15 <flo> I would go further: having to find on which screen the list is displayed before changing the status sucks ;) 09:54:28 <flo> but I think on Windows7 it's easy to change the status from the dock icon 09:54:45 <flo> that whole jumplist thing people got enthusiastic about a few months ago :) 09:54:57 <aleth> Yes, the tray works. 09:58:03 <aleth> I don't have a good proposal though, I agree. 10:01:11 <flo> if you want something clickable, having in the list of status types a list of previously used status with both the status type and status message, so that you can do just a click to set both would help 10:01:21 <flo> but that would be confusing if there was a status type used without status message 10:01:45 <flo> I would like some completion on the status message textbox, so that reentering a previously used status message becomes very easy 10:06:39 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:06:39 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:07:53 <aleth> I'm not sure people actually use the status message that way. At least from what I've seen (who knows if it generalizes) there are two camps of people 10:08:28 <aleth> The first almost never sets a status message, and if they do (rarely) it's a one off indication like "don't bother me atm" 10:09:27 <aleth> The second changes status message frequently, clearly enjoys doing that, with little messages and one-liners. Nothing to do with "status" in that case, and usually doesn't change either when they change status. 10:11:11 <aleth> Neither group would be particularly interested in reusing old status messages. And for both setting a status message is pretty much decoupled from the act of changing status. 10:11:41 <clokep> aleth: I don't see how it gets in the way at all. 10:12:41 <clokep> OK, it focuses the textbox...but if you don't do that...what are you expecting it to focus? 10:13:11 <aleth> Nothing in particular. I expect it just to change the status. 10:13:55 <aleth> I'm saying (and this might be based on a skewed sample) that "setting a new status message" seems to be disconnected from "changing status" for most. Which is not what you'd expect I guess. 10:14:44 <aleth> Anyway, maybe it's a non-issue. Definitely minor ;) 10:15:28 * clokep is tempted to close that as invalid. 10:15:36 <clokep> Even if it's disconnected, I just don't see how it's in the way. 10:15:48 <clokep> You say you're floundering with you mouse afterward...but why is that? 10:17:11 <aleth> For no real reason, like I said above. Just that intuitively the fact that the textbox is highlighted makes me think "oh I have to enter something here or close that somehow or my status won't change". Obviously that's not the case, and maybe it's just me, but still... 10:21:09 <clokep> OK, but that's not what the bug says at all. :) 10:21:38 <aleth> Yeah, seems I explained it badly. 10:22:11 <flo> aleth: the problem of status messages is hard, because there are 2 different expectations depending on the client people used before 10:22:34 <flo> either they see the status message as an explanation of the status type they have set, so setting the status message each time the status type changes is logical 10:22:56 <flo> or they see the status message as a random thought that is completely disconnected with their current status type. 10:23:58 <flo> aleth: both groups of people are generally fully convinced that everybody sees it like they do; because typically their group of friends and contacts have used the same clients as they did (because they were using the same IM networks) 10:24:01 <aleth> Probably pretty much the two groups I noticed above. Interesting about it being related to the client, I wonder if the latter is a MSN thing. 10:24:18 <flo> MSN doesn't have a status message concept 10:24:52 <flo> they added relatively recently (that's several years ago now; but several years after MSN became popular) a "personal message" concept, which is mostly a place for a random message 10:25:08 <flo> AIM has used the status message as strong linked to the status type from the beginning 10:25:37 <flo> Gtalk seems to be a little bit in the middle 10:26:24 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 10:26:35 <flo> (it proposes to change the status message when changing the status type, but it lists all frequently used status messages for all status type) 10:26:38 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 10:27:08 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 10:28:05 <-- meh has quit (Ping timeout) 10:28:11 <flo> also, by default on gtalk the status message is shared between all connected client 10:28:12 <flo> s 10:28:35 <aleth> I wonder if that's an XMPP thing. 10:28:43 <flo> it's a google extension 10:29:07 <flo> but I think all official Google clients hide the concept of resources, so users can only have one visible status message at once... 10:29:29 <aleth> Right. 10:31:28 <flo> I have a Gtalk account with a wrong password. When I started Instantbird, it was set as "auto-login". Since I started, I unchecked that box. When my status was switched to away, the account attempted to reconnect itself automatically. 10:31:28 <flo> ( 10:32:04 <flo> uh! 10:32:32 <flo> the message before "uh!" was ":(". On my other instantbird it appeared as only "(" 10:32:45 <flo> well, for instantbot too: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m207 10:33:47 <flo> Sending: 10:33:48 <flo> PRIVMSG #instantbird :( 10:33:48 <flo> Source File: resource:///modules/socket.jsm Line: 235 10:33:50 <flo> clokep: how does that feel? 10:34:02 <flo> should we add a ":" prefix before all outgoing irc messages? 10:34:32 <aleth> It used to do that, this is a recent change I think. 10:34:42 <aleth> Unexpected side-effect. 10:35:17 <clokep> flo: Ah a special case I don't check for. :) 10:35:17 <aleth> Need to check the message doesn't start with a ":" ;) 10:35:21 <clokep> My bug, I'll fix it. 10:35:28 <clokep> (Like literally right now.) 10:35:34 <flo> thanks! :) 10:35:55 * flo thinks that deserves unit testing 10:38:19 <clokep> So I have a patch, but I can't test it because I'm building. ;) 10:39:22 <flo> do we have a way to xpcshell test that without needing a fake IRC server? 10:39:23 --> meh has joined #instantbird 10:40:49 <clokep> Writing a ircd.js is on my TODO list...although I'm not fully sure of the concept of how you test with one. :-S 10:41:17 <flo> if it's an infinite-length todo list, that doesn't tell us if it's going to happen ;) 10:41:54 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1441 to INVALID. 10:41:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1441 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Don't automatically focus status editbox on changing status 10:42:07 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 10:42:56 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1442 filed by clokep@gmail.com. 10:42:58 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from the wind for attachment 1484 on bug 1442. 10:43:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1442 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC messages starting with a : and no spaces lose the : 10:43:05 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 10:43:16 <clokep> flo: The bigger issue is I just don't get the concept, how does it test anything? It has to know the "correct" result ahead of time? 10:43:27 <clokep> That review is up for grabs by aleth or flo I figure. 10:43:35 <clokep> (Maybe aleth since he knows the changes I made last time?) 10:47:25 * clokep likes changes that are twice as many comments as lines of code. ;) 10:49:11 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted review for attachment 1484 on bug 1442. 10:49:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1442 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC messages starting with a : and no spaces lose the : 10:54:13 <clokep> Thanks aleth. 10:58:50 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 11:02:08 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 11:03:58 <aleth> So, I added to a browserid bug the other day, now it appears Persona is tracking their bugs on github? 11:06:16 <aleth> oops, wrong channel 11:15:22 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 11:22:26 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 11:24:32 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 11:26:12 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 11:35:11 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:35:12 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 11:35:36 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 11:35:43 <-- mikk_s has left #instantbird () 11:38:47 <clokep_work> aleth: Maybe wrong channel...but I dislike that certain Mozilla projects are tracking stuff outside of the Mozilla ecosystem. :( 11:39:01 <clokep_work> But I guess they're trying to get other people involved... 11:40:08 <aleth> clokep_work: It just made me wonder whether that bug on bugzilla was even getting noticed 11:49:59 <clokep_work> Was it? :) 12:01:07 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 12:01:27 <-- meh has quit (Ping timeout) 12:05:03 --> meh has joined #instantbird 12:05:55 <flo> bah, don't get me started on that github vs bugzilla thing :) 12:06:24 <flo> clokep_work: do we need to prepend a : if we are sending a string like "blah:blah"? 12:07:07 <clokep_work> flo: No. 12:07:11 <clokep_work> We shouldn't at least... 12:07:34 <flo> clokep_work: the idea I had for the test was that we probably have some code used for encoding the messages we are about to send, and some code used to decode the messages we received, and it would be good to ensure that decode(encode(testMessage) == testMessages for all input values that seem potentially tricky 12:08:32 <clokep_work> flo: Yes that would be a good test. :) 12:09:14 <clokep_work> And no, we don't. The "trailing" (i.e. the parameter) is defined as : or " " or %x01-09 / %x0B-0C / %x0E-1F / %x21-39 / %x3B-FF (any octet except NUL, CR, LF, " " and ":") 12:09:27 <clokep_work> Which ends up being any octet except NUL CR or LF. ;) 12:10:49 <FireFly_TB> Moin! 12:12:08 <FireFly_TB> Is it possible, that the latest Nightly doesnât run on windows? Or is it just me? 12:13:37 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 12:13:44 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: FeuerFliege) 12:14:00 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 12:14:26 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:15:04 <aleth> clokep_work: I can see no evidence of it so far ;) 12:15:28 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 12:15:42 <aleth> I suppose some people just really like github. 12:16:46 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:17:02 <FireFly_TB> IB hangs on startup, if I start with everything on âSign-on at startup [â]â 12:17:51 <FireFly_TB> But starts fine if I connect them one by one ⦠12:18:27 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 12:18:38 --> clokep_wp7 has joined #instantbird 12:18:57 <flo> FireFly_TB: can you describe what you mean by "hangs" a bit more? 12:19:41 <clokep_wp7> aleth: i expect that that's it. I personally can't stand the "github workflow" 12:19:58 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:20:28 <aleth> Personally I think it adds another layer of overhead... 12:21:13 <clokep_wp7> Yes. It's not easier than attching patches in my mind. 12:22:07 <clokep_wp7> Anyway, meeting now. :-) 12:22:16 <-- clokep_wp7 has quit (Input/output error) 12:22:18 <aleth> Huh, I see there is a complete clone of mozilla-central too. I wonder how that works. 12:24:06 <FireFly_TB> I see the main IB window. The mouse changes to the busy icon and the window is not responsive. If I click into the window it greys out, if I try to close the window the windows kill dialogue comes up. 12:24:20 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 12:25:19 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:26:06 <flo> FireFly_TB: 0 or 100% of CPU? 12:26:33 <FireFly_TB> no 0% for instandbird 12:28:12 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 12:28:20 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 12:28:21 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 12:29:04 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:29:43 <FireFly_TB> it is not triggered by a single account 12:30:38 <aleth> FireFly_TB: If you start IB with the -jsconsole parameter, do you see any errors in the error console before it hangs? 12:31:56 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 12:32:01 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: FeuerFliege) 12:32:07 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 12:32:26 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:32:50 <FireFly_TB> aleth: hangs before any error 12:33:15 <Optimizer> flo aleth It would be really nice if there would be tabs on top just like firefox 12:34:15 <-- meh has quit (Ping timeout) 12:36:10 <FireFly_TB> If I choose ICQ, facebook, IRC1, IRC2, twitter and GTalk to sign-on at start-up: 100% freeze 12:36:12 <FireFly_TB> If I choose ICQ, facebook, IRC1 it freezes sometimes, 12:36:12 <FireFly_TB> If I choose IRC2, twitter, GTalk no freeze so far. 12:36:59 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 12:37:08 <aleth> Optimizer: What do you mean? There is nothing above the tabs. 12:37:15 <Optimizer> the title bar 12:37:48 <aleth> Oh right, that doesn't work on Linux, so I wouldn't notice it :-/ 12:38:04 <Optimizer> Oh, linux has the tabs on the very top ? 12:38:19 <aleth> No, FF doesn't write into the titlebar on Linux 12:38:27 <FireFly_TB> Optimizer: You use the conversation window maximised? 12:38:28 <Optimizer> oh 12:38:58 <aleth> Optimizer: If you like, you can file a bug 12:39:04 <Optimizer> On windows if IB can draw its own title bar (that is onll the right side close buttons), tabs on top can be acheived 12:39:23 <Optimizer> I think its bigger than one bug :P 12:39:57 <aleth> We track enhancement requests as bugs too 12:40:05 <Optimizer> i know 12:40:08 <Optimizer> i meant 12:40:23 <Optimizer> that it is a big feature and will probably be broken into many bugs 12:40:36 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:40:48 <aleth> You can file multiple bugs if you like ;) or attach patches :P 12:41:25 <Optimizer> I already spent a lot of time for this add-on, I on a gsoc duty here ;P 12:41:40 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 12:41:46 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 12:45:17 <flo> Optimizer: the gsoc duty isn't 24hours a day ;) 12:45:44 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 12:45:52 <Optimizer> Neither can I work 24 hrs :) (I Wish I could) 12:46:26 <aleth> Well, file a bug anyway, maybe somebody else will fix it. 12:47:47 <aleth> Feuerfliege: What if you choose everything apart from ICQ? (i.e. no libpurple protocols) 12:48:44 --> meh has joined #instantbird 12:49:04 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 12:49:27 <flo> FireFly_TB: is this after an update? If so, can you try moving the updated build to another folder, and downloading the latest nightly, and try with that? It could be an update failure 12:55:46 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 12:59:36 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1443 filed by scrapmachines@gmail.com. 12:59:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1443 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Tabs should be drawn in Title Bar on Windows 13:00:24 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 13:01:37 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Input/output error) 13:09:12 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 13:09:58 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 13:10:41 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:11:26 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 13:12:04 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:12:30 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 13:13:08 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:14:39 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 13:16:59 <FireFly_TB> flo: works, thx. 13:17:08 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 13:17:28 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:18:25 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 13:19:47 <-- flo1 has quit (Ping timeout) 13:19:47 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 13:20:09 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Input/output error) 13:21:27 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 13:22:40 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 13:22:52 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Input/output error) 13:23:01 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 13:23:10 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: FeuerFliege) 13:23:22 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 13:23:42 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:24:20 <clokep_work> aleth: Someone keeps it updated, I think it actually has the old CVS history grafted onto it too. 13:24:23 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 13:24:53 --> flo1 has joined #instantbird 13:25:33 * clokep_work dislikes tabs in the title bar... 13:29:55 <aleth> If someone wanted to add that feature, I guess a context menu checkbox like in FF wouldn't hurt anyone. 13:30:50 <aleth> Btw there was indeed a more active open bug on the same issue on github. So it seems for the future one has to check whether a mozilla team is actually using bugzilla. 13:31:30 <flo1> aleth: you can also decide to just ignore the mozilla teams that work in closed environments ;) 13:32:40 <flo1> oh, it's strange to not have show nick 13:32:50 <flo1> maybe that add-on should become the default behavior some day :) 13:33:13 <flo1> so that message themes can adapt the appearance of nicks as they want 13:33:19 <clokep_work> flo1: I'd advocate that, I find it extremely useful. 13:33:45 <flo1> clokep_work: I don't see it as useful; I notice it only if I'm not a new profile ;) 13:33:53 <flo1> s/not// 13:34:13 <flo1> merging "not on my default profile" and "on a new profile" got confusing :-S 13:34:30 <aleth> It seems to be a love-it-or-hate-it feature though 13:34:44 <flo1> have you heard about people hating it? 13:34:58 <flo1> I think the most common complaint was "it doesn't go well with some custom themes" 13:35:00 <aleth> Here on IRC, when I suggested they try it 13:35:16 <flo1> by default we would just add a span node with a class 13:35:26 <flo1> the message theme would do the rest 13:35:57 <flo1> I think if we integrate it by default we should make it look consistent for join/left messages. Currently nicks are highlighted in only one of them 13:36:03 <aleth> I'm not saying I'm not in favour (I use it after all), but what if you want to use bubbles without show nick? 13:36:15 <flo1> (because the nick is removed too soon or added too late in the list; I can never remember which one :)) 13:36:31 <flo1> aleth: or use bubbles without Time Bubbles. 13:36:41 <flo1> answer: add-ons! :) 13:36:50 <aleth> You had complaints about time bubbles? :S 13:37:03 <flo1> yeah, some people really dislike it 13:37:15 <flo1> mostly because of the "moving while the window is in the background" part 13:37:29 <flo1> myk said it makes him feel sick 13:38:32 <flo1> I know idechix also really dislikes it 13:38:57 <clokep_work> flo1: I think it could be useful to have message themes have some basic options. :( 13:39:06 <flo1> I haven't clearly understood if there was a real reason other than "don't change what I did if it's not with my idea" 13:39:15 <flo1> clokep_work: there's a bug on file for that 13:39:16 <aleth> Yes, instead of variants... 13:39:29 <flo1> if someone wants to work on message themes someday... 13:39:40 <aleth> flo1: Oh, is that what the "classic bubbles" message style is about? 13:39:45 <clokep_work> Yes, because then (e.g. for Bubbles), you have a color option, an option to show avatars, an option to show show nick, etc. Instead of the ! of those. 13:39:48 <flo1> if I start playing with them again, the thing I would be the most interested in supporting would be installing them without restart :) 13:39:54 <flo1> aleth: yeah 13:40:01 <aleth> flo1++ 13:40:07 <-- pvagner has quit (Ping timeout) 13:40:08 <clokep_work> (Where ! means "factorial" in this case, not "not" :)) 13:41:03 <flo1> aleth: by the way, I think his reaction of creating an add-on for the old version was great; whatever the real reason for not liking Time Bubbles was 13:41:20 <aleth> Sure, that's what they are for. 13:41:33 <aleth> I just wondered what the difference was a while back when I saw it. 13:42:15 <flo1> so I'm talking from my linux box until I decide if I restart my default Instantbird on the Macbook or can do anything to figure out why only the Twitter accounts are willing to reconnect 13:42:41 <-- mmkmou has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:42:44 <flo1> all the others are stuck on "connecting..." 13:43:07 <clokep_work> :-/ 13:43:21 <clokep_work> I wish we at least had a way to reproduce that so we could find a regression range. 13:43:33 <flo1> can we make links in quit messages not appear in blue? Not sure why I notice it much more on this screen 13:43:49 <flo1> clokep_work: this issue is probably reproduceable 13:43:51 <aleth> flo1: Use Bubbles-Light :P 13:44:04 <flo1> aleth: what are the differences? 13:44:16 <clokep_work> flo1: I don't understand why you don't like links in quit messages. :( 13:44:21 <flo1> clokep_work: but unfortunately I think it's not the same as the really annoying bug 13:44:26 <aleth> Different link colour in system messages, different action message styling, different context messages 13:44:42 <aleth> but I wasn't completely serious. Just if you want to see an alternative look. 13:44:47 <flo1> clokep_work: I don't understand the link being blue -> the only thing really visible when the rest of the message is light gray on white 13:45:11 <clokep_work> flo1: Ah, so I only read half your statement. :( My bad. I agree with you. 13:45:15 <flo1> clokep_work: and now I know why I didn't notice as much on my mac: the nick was also colored by shownick, and the nick was the important information! :) 13:45:16 <clokep_work> It should be a darker grey or something. 13:45:36 <clokep_work> (I thought you just said "can we make links in quit messages not appear?") 13:45:40 <flo1> and scratch that, it's in the quit messages that shownickdoesn't work :-D 13:46:32 <clokep_work> aleth: Is Bubbles Light yours? 13:46:36 <aleth> Yes 13:47:34 <clokep_work> Maybe some of those things should be brought into Bubbles then? ;) 13:47:51 <aleth> Only if there is consensus on them 13:47:51 * clokep_work goes to find a screenshot. 13:47:56 <flo1> by the way, another improvement I would like to make to bubbles: when the window is really small, drop the bubbles, keep only the colored backgrounds and some horizontal borders; reduce the paddings significantly 13:48:10 <flo1> I think bubbles currently sucks for small windows, and it's annoying for the default theme :) 13:48:20 <aleth> True, that would be nice. 13:48:36 <clokep_work> Can we file bugs to track all this stuff? 13:48:52 <flo1> we can :) 13:49:06 <flo1> I tend to file bugs for my own ideas only when I expect someone is likely to work on them 13:49:12 <aleth> Btw is the unread ruler behaviour now OK for everyone? 13:49:35 <flo1> aleth: I can't tell. The latest changes are too recent to know 13:50:15 <flo1> I've been frustrated at least 2 or 3 times by not finding the unread ruler in the last few days, but I don't know exactly the situation (it was typically when coming back to the computer after being physically away from it for a few hours) 13:50:55 <flo1> zooming the conversation (I'm more than 1 meter away from this screen, so I zoomed in a bit) should also zoom the textbox :-S 13:51:46 <aleth> flo1: yes, that's part of why I am asking, as we have recently added more situations where the ruler is /removed/ 13:52:12 <clokep_work> flo1: Well, I feel like some of these would be fairly easy for someone else to fix and potential contributors might now know about them unless we file things we'd like to see. :-D 13:52:15 <aleth> otherwise, to find it, section scroll is useful ;) 13:52:16 <flo1> scrolling with the arrow keys is both very nice (because I don't have to grab the mouse, which is far from the keyboard on a desktop machine compared to the trackpad on a macbook) and sucky (because it's not smooth at all :-/) 13:52:36 <clokep_work> I remember looking (years ago) on BMO to find some "easier" bugs to look at, sometimes people want to help but don't have their own ideas. :) 13:52:49 <aleth> flo1: Does the textbox flicker for you too when scrolling with the keyboard? 13:53:48 <flo1> aleth: yes. But I hadn't noticed until you mentioned it. It's not really annoying 13:54:14 <aleth> flo1: OK, just checking. Not a real issue for me either. 13:54:20 <flo1> only the cursor is really visibly flickering (and it's quite small, because of that zoom thing I just mentioned). The focus highlight seems to flicker too, but it's hardly noticeable 13:54:26 <aleth> clokep_work: Well, if you see Bubbles-Light features you want ported, that is easy. 13:55:01 <flo1> aleth: if I want links to be less visible in quit messages, but still as visible as now in topic messages, is this still easy? 13:55:04 <clokep_work> aleth: Are you using it? Could you put up a picture of the styling for links in system messages? 13:55:06 <aleth> Keyboard scrolling just doesn't use the FF smooth-scrolling algorithm I suppose 13:55:19 <flo1> aleth: sure 13:55:23 <aleth> clokep_work: You could just try it for yourself ;) 13:55:24 <flo1> aleth: but can we do that? 13:55:27 <aleth> Yes, it's easy. 13:55:37 <aleth> flo1: I think that would be a mozilla issue. 13:55:38 <clokep_work> aleth: I don't think Mibbit supports message styles. ;) 13:55:47 <aleth> clokep_work: Oh OK :-/ 13:56:32 <flo1> clokep_work using mibbit at work feels like a bug anyway ;) 13:59:15 <flo1> so what I'm currently seeing on my macbook is bug 1422 13:59:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1422 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Connection timeouts don't seem to work 13:59:38 <clokep_work> flo1: Yes, there's a few of them. :) We're getting close! 13:59:42 <aleth> clokep_work: https://minus.com/mBMhzXMI3/1f 14:00:20 <clokep_work> aleth: I like it. :) 14:00:20 <flo1> clokep_work: I hate these connection issues happening only with flaky connections 14:00:26 <flo1> but I hate unreproduceable bugs even more! 14:00:44 <clokep_work> flo1: Me too! Although I think the Twitter one happens when you're connected for like hours. :-S opposite issue. 14:01:23 <flo1> and I can tweet currently 14:01:41 <flo1> + we still have the issue of AIM not sending messages ;) 14:01:52 <clokep_work> Yes, that's been really annoying. :( 14:02:05 <clokep_work> Been making me use GTalk, but I don't have contact info for all my friends on there. 14:03:23 <flo1> + it's not really something we can seriously put on the release notes 14:03:28 <meh> does anyone have the link to the nightlies at hand? 14:03:35 <flo1> meh: it's in the topic 14:03:43 <meh> whyy toopicsss 14:03:49 <meh> sorry for my retardedness 14:04:10 <aleth> flo1: For special-casing topic messages you would need JS-IRC to add an additional class to those messages. 14:04:30 <flo1> aleth: I suspect it already has different flags 14:04:33 <flo1> but I'm not sure 14:04:41 <meh> i'm starting the works on the torchat addon now, prepare to be overwhelmed by my questions 14:04:47 <clokep_work> flo1: I don't think so. 14:04:55 <aleth> Personally I don't think it needs special-casing anyway. 14:04:59 <clokep_work> I'm pretty sure they both call the systemMessage function. 14:05:12 <clokep_work> Personally I'd like it if we had links in the actual UI. :) 14:05:17 <clokep_work> (for topics that is) 14:05:22 <aleth> ^^ that would be better 14:05:30 <clokep_work> There's a bug about it. 14:05:36 <clokep_work> I actually like the Mibbit UI for topics. :-S 14:06:09 <aleth> clokep_work: Clickable links in the topic tooltip might be doable? 14:06:20 <aleth> Ah, no. forget what I said. 14:08:39 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 14:08:50 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 14:10:08 <flo1> clokep_work: I tried to explain all the things that I know/have noticed in a comment in bug 1422. Does this seem actionable? I think we have 3 different issues mentioned in my comment in addition to the timeout issue that the bug is about 14:10:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1422 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Connection timeouts don't seem to work 14:10:26 <flo1> is there any additional information that could be gathered before I restart Instantbird? 14:11:34 <clokep_work> aleth: http://imgur.com/f2O7G 14:11:50 <clokep_work> flo1: Let me read it. 14:13:13 <clokep_work> flo1: I can't think of other things to try / get information on. 14:13:22 <clokep_work> Unless you want to try sending necko fofline and back online? 14:13:45 <flo1> what would that change? 14:14:37 <clokep_work> I'm not sure, just the only other related thing I can think of. :) 14:14:58 <clokep_work> And if we want to close that bug and file three more separate bugs that's OK. (Or we can put three patches in that bug, I don't really care.) 14:14:58 <flo1> I think the tricky detail about that situation is that at some point the network is back online, but the SSH tunnel isn't reestablished yet 14:15:04 <clokep_work> I think one of the other issues probably has a bug on file anyway. 14:16:01 <flo1> so I guess I could try killing my ssh tunnel without putting the network offline, and see what happens 14:16:11 <flo1> or maybe fix the other obvious issues first 14:16:23 <flo1> I'm tired of accounts stuck in the "disconnecting" state that force me to restart 14:16:27 <clokep_work> I like the idea of fixing the obvious issues first. 14:17:07 <Optimizer> I like flo1 's show nick, just that the fancy border and background is too appealing for me. 14:17:22 <flo1> by the way, that : bug you fixed this morning isn't in Thunderbird, right? It's a regression from a patch we landed just after the merge iirc 14:17:41 <flo1> Optimizer: which message theme do you use? 14:17:48 <flo1> ah, your own, right :) 14:17:57 <Optimizer> :D 14:17:59 <Optimizer> yes 14:18:01 <flo1> Optimizer: would you like to work on integrating show nick by default? 14:18:08 <Optimizer> and in that , I haev removed the background and border 14:18:13 <flo1> in a way that would let message styles handle nicks however they want 14:18:14 <Optimizer> okay :) 14:18:20 <Optimizer> but today only I found an exception in that 14:18:27 <aleth> Optimizer: The latest show nick version has options 14:18:30 <flo1> integrating the detection of irc channel names would also be nice :) 14:18:44 <flo1> aleth: have we ever released it on AIO? 14:18:50 <aleth> No idea. 14:18:55 <Optimizer> I downloaded the Show Nick extension just 2 days back, is there a newer version already ? 14:19:09 <aleth> Probably not? Maybe inline options don't work with 1.1? 14:19:28 <flo1> Optimizer: aleth patched it to have options, but I think that change is only in the hg addons repository 14:19:33 <flo1> aleth: that's quite possible 14:19:35 <clokep_work> flo1: Yes, WATCH/MONITOR was after the merge. 14:19:41 <flo1> clokep_work: ok, cool :) 14:19:58 <clokep_work> Optimizer: There's an updated version of Show Nick in the repos which has different styling options. 14:20:10 <Optimizer> oh, nice :) 14:20:14 <flo1> clokep_work: you liked the idea of the test. Is it the theoretical idea for the way to test it that you liked, or is it easily doable? 14:20:31 <flo1> I don't know if the relevant "encode" and "decode" functions can easily be used separately 14:20:33 <clokep_work> flo1: Both. 14:20:37 <flo1> s/function/pieces of code/ 14:20:44 <clokep_work> I have to fakily make an account for one, but it should be fine. 14:20:46 <Optimizer> I found one bug in the code, if you have your conversation window closed, and reopen it after some time, so that some of the users are not present now, the self._nicks[nick] is undefined then 14:20:47 <flo1> clokep_work: so maybe I should wait to do that checkin then? 14:21:01 <clokep_work> flo1: If you'd like. I can at least test that code otnight. :) 14:21:21 <clokep_work> And no, we haven't rolled out any of the updates for 1.2 from the repo --> AIO yet. 14:21:33 <flo1> clokep_work: ok. If you can easily do it, that's great. Otherwise I'll just checkin the current patch to fix the regression :) 14:21:53 <flo1> I don't want us to have a policy of requiring unit tests for bug fixes; I think that's discouraging contributions 14:21:56 <clokep_work> flo1: Well I meant I can test that /the patch/ works, not necessarily write the entire infrastructure we talked about. 14:22:12 <clokep_work> flo1: That's why I stopped contributing to calendar. :-X 14:22:21 <flo1> clokep_work: ahah :) 14:22:40 <flo1> clokep_work: it's possibly why I stopped contributing (or dramatically reduced my contributions) to Firefox 14:22:52 <Optimizer> You guys hate Firefox ? 14:22:58 <flo1> unit test are greats, but are (IMHO) hard to produce by non employees 14:23:13 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 14:23:14 <flo1> Optimizer: sure we all use IE exclusively. 14:23:24 <clokep_work> (That's sarcasm if you didn't get it. ;)) 14:23:27 <flo1> Optimizer: (just kidding of course. What made you think that?) 14:23:49 <clokep_work> flo1: I agree, I write test code (often) at work. But it's different getting paid for it. :-D 14:23:53 <flo1> (although I've noticed clokep_work often has an IE user agent :-P) 14:23:54 <clokep_work> A lot less painful! 14:24:10 <Optimizer> you stopped contributing, think that mozilla works in closed environments etc. 14:24:11 <clokep_work> flo1: I use Firefox now at work. 14:24:22 <flo1> clokep_work: I think having to write 100 lines of test code removes the joy of fixing a bug with a single character change 14:24:40 <flo1> Optimizer: I'm a paid Thunderbird developer these days ;) 14:24:59 <flo1> Optimizer: so I'm clearly contributing a lot to Mozilla ;) 14:25:03 <clokep_work> Optimizer: I think the "closed environments" reference was to us complaining about people moving stuff to github, which is "closed off" from the Mozilla ecosystem IMO. 14:25:12 <Optimizer> oh 14:25:15 <Optimizer> m bad then 14:25:17 <Optimizer> my* 14:25:18 <flo1> clokep_work: sounds like great news :) 14:25:24 <clokep_work> Optimizer: And we try to keep flo busy contributing to Instantbird, we don't let him contribute other places anymore. ;) 14:25:38 <Optimizer> flo and flo1 are same right ? 14:25:46 <clokep_work> Yes. He's on his *nix box. 14:27:11 <clokep_work> So really off topic...how would I instantiate an array of pointers to unknown types (is that even possible?) in C++? 14:27:54 <flo1> clokep_work: create an array of void *? 14:28:03 <Optimizer> like malloc woks 14:28:06 <Optimizer> works* 14:28:26 <Optimizer> when you want to assign some memory space, just type cast into the required type 14:28:58 <clokep_work> flo1: For some reason I feel like it needs to be |void **blah;| not just |void *blah;| 14:29:03 * clokep_work is trying to wrap his head around this... 14:29:38 <flo1> wasn't there new[] to allocate an array of pointers? 14:30:04 <Optimizer> I think yesterday aleth was saying that my theme has to have the conversations window maximized ? 14:30:31 <Optimizer> I fixed that, and now the left space is only 150px wide (compared to 225 yesterday) 14:30:50 <Optimizer> even less if the nick fits in (around 130) 14:32:14 --> flo has joined #instantbird 14:32:15 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 14:33:26 <meh> are there issues with implementing a protocol in a bootstrap extension? 14:33:45 <clokep_work> meh: It can't be uninstalled currently I think. 14:33:55 <clokep_work> There's a bug open about it. SEarch for omegle. 14:34:18 <meh> ok, thanks 14:34:35 <Optimizer> how can one add event handlers to each tab of the conversation window (and to them also which will be opened later on) 14:35:33 <Optimizer> so that I can know when each tab gets focused and blurred 14:35:33 <aleth> Optimizer: I think that was clokep_work 14:35:59 <Optimizer> (by focus I mean that the tab is currently active, by blurred means the opposite) 14:36:51 <clokep_work> Why do you need to do that? 14:36:53 * flo feels better here :) 14:37:10 <Optimizer> So that i can mark the unread conversation in each tab 14:37:41 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 14:38:33 <flo> Optimizer: just download a nightly build? :) 14:38:47 <flo> they do that by default these days ;) 14:38:50 <Optimizer> it does ? flo 14:39:04 <Optimizer> but then how does it work for a non default message theme ? 14:39:29 <flo> Optimizer: it puts an hr in the conversation 14:39:38 <Optimizer> hr ? 14:39:46 <Optimizer> let me check the build out 14:44:26 <Optimizer> flo, while the build is being downloaded , please explain hr. and also tell the launch date of IB 1.2 14:47:21 <clokep_work> Optimizer: hr is a standard HTML element. 14:47:27 <clokep_work> "Soon". 14:50:20 <Optimizer> oh I was thinking of some hr class or something :D 14:51:35 <clokep_work> Nope. :) 14:52:14 <-- Tomek has quit (Client exited) 14:54:33 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 14:54:58 * bear-afk is now known as bear|buildduty 14:55:16 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 14:55:52 <aleth> Optimizer: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Message_Styles:Differences_with_Adium has info on the hr 14:56:12 <Optimizer> (on a nightly build) The right side nick list is no longer colored ? 14:58:15 <clokep_work> Optimizer: Wait for someone to talk. ;) 14:58:34 <Optimizer> Ah 14:58:34 <Optimizer> ) 14:58:34 <Optimizer> nice 14:58:49 <Optimizer> So if someone stops talking for sometime, will it again grey out ? 14:59:28 <-- Optimizer has quit (Connection reset by peer) 14:59:33 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 14:59:58 <flo> Optimizer: no :) 15:00:10 <flo> we haven't been able to decide what the expected behavior would be for that 15:00:32 <Optimizer> Like mibbit does, puts a person in chatting list (above the nick list) 15:00:42 <Optimizer> and if he is not chatting for about 5 minutes 15:00:50 <Optimizer> puts him back to nicks list 15:01:04 <Optimizer> and I see the HR, 15:01:08 <Optimizer> Nice :) 15:01:20 <Optimizer> it could do a 0 margin though 15:02:21 <flo> there are planed improvements for the margin 15:02:29 <flo> (a patch waiting in my review queue) 15:02:31 <Optimizer> so according o the behavior Nightly is showing, it should grey out the colored nick, after some time threshold :) 15:02:39 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 15:02:40 <Optimizer> flo link ? 15:02:42 <flo> but custom message themes can customize the appearance of that hr 15:02:45 <aleth> Optimizer: Your message style can style it however it wants 15:02:53 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 15:03:04 <Optimizer> hmm, true, but the margin-bottom is not required by default also 15:03:32 <Optimizer> The HR disappears after some time ? 15:03:40 <aleth> Optimizer: Currently the idea is that if someone has spoken in the visible conversation, their nick is coloured. A 5 minute timeout sounds annoying to me. 15:04:14 <aleth> That might change in the future, I don't know. It's one of the potential headaches for infinite scroll. 15:04:22 <Optimizer> But it would give a clear idea on the status of a nick (whether he is idle on chat or active) just by looking at the nick list 15:04:29 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 15:04:40 <aleth> Optimizer: Only in very busy channels. 15:05:27 <aleth> It's one of those things where it's hard to find a default that works for most people. 15:06:01 <Optimizer> hmm 15:06:03 <Optimizer> true 15:06:18 <Optimizer> What about the idea of putting the colored nicks on top of greyed ones ? 15:06:23 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 15:06:30 <Optimizer> If a channel has too many users, the coloring might not help at all 15:06:51 <aleth> At some point someone was going to write an add-on for that. 15:06:59 <aleth> Just like there is an add-on for sorting the contact list. 15:07:08 <Optimizer> and I just noticed, even my theme is working more efficiently in Nightly 15:07:25 <aleth> There are lots of improvements :) 15:07:30 * flo wonders what "working more efficiently" means 15:07:33 <Optimizer> I will eventually add that feature in my Mibbit themes (coz mibbit also does that ) 15:07:51 <Optimizer> take for instance this message : mmkmou [Instantbir@C87D1038.63D708CC.93058B8E.IP] entered the room. 15:08:05 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:08:09 <flo> what about it? 15:08:23 <Optimizer> in 1.1 version , acc to my rules , only "entered the room." was being colored green 15:08:33 <Optimizer> but in 1.2 15:08:40 <flo> ah :) 15:08:43 <Optimizer> the whole line (except nick's name) 15:09:07 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 15:11:21 <Optimizer> any tips on the sorting the nicks list ? 15:13:54 <clokep_work> Optimizer: I think sorting the nicks list needs some core code changes. 15:14:35 <Optimizer> oh 15:14:57 <Optimizer> I just noticed, I am getting this error : Timestamp: 5/18/2012 8:43:46 PM 15:14:57 <Optimizer> Error: gAccountManager is not defined 15:14:59 <Optimizer> Source File: chrome://mibbit/content/helper.js 15:14:59 <Optimizer> Line: 51 15:15:49 <Optimizer> and earlier the gAccountManager was accessible through this script : application/javascript" src="chrome://instantbird/content/accounts.js 15:16:00 <Optimizer> which I was including using an overlaying xul 15:16:21 <Optimizer> and am now also, just that the gAccountManager is not available any more :( 15:16:59 <flo> Optimizer: I forgot to mentioned when I looked at the code of your add-on that you really didn't want to use that accounts.js file 15:17:02 <flo> *mention 15:17:15 <Optimizer> why ? 15:17:27 <flo> it's the UI of the account manager 15:17:30 <flo> you don't want that in the conversations window 15:17:56 <Optimizer> I am only using the gAccountManager variable from accounts.js 15:18:13 <clokep_work> You can access that information other ways though I think... 15:18:26 <Optimizer> I tries Services.accounts.getAccounts() 15:18:27 <flo> Optimizer: you are probably also causing the onload handlers to be executed 15:18:54 <Optimizer> I was asking this before also, how to access the accounts, and get the currently being used account 15:19:01 <Optimizer> but did not get any good reply 15:19:22 <flo> ah, accounts.js doesn't seem to add any onload handler, you are lucky 15:19:34 <flo> Optimizer: you didn't ask a good question 15:19:50 <flo> Optimizer: the reply you got was that "currently being used account" doesn't make sense 15:20:03 <flo> Optimizer: we told you to get the account from the conversation object 15:20:23 <Optimizer> okay then I must have missed out 15:20:30 <Optimizer> please tell again 15:22:11 <flo> I've 2 twitter accounts that have been connected for 5+ hours on the linux box, and they are still able to send tweets :( 15:23:57 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:24:39 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 15:24:39 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 15:24:58 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:25:03 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 15:25:03 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 15:25:10 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 15:26:43 <Optimizer> anyone ? 15:27:26 <flo> try asking a question that makes sense? :) 15:28:00 <flo> don't force people to make assumptions about what you could be talking about 15:30:12 <Optimizer> ( 15:30:14 <Optimizer> okay 15:30:25 <Optimizer> say I have 3 accounts associated with IB 15:30:31 <Optimizer> gtalk, IRC and FB 15:30:37 <Optimizer> I am not connected to gtalk and FB 15:30:45 <Optimizer> and am right now using IRC 15:30:57 <Optimizer> so IRC is the currently being used account 15:31:10 <clokep_work> But you can use all three at the same time. 15:31:17 <Optimizer> and that too , I have 2 IRC accounts, Optimizer and Opti, of which I am using Optimizer 15:31:21 <flo> which would be the common case I think :) 15:31:30 <Optimizer> okay so for common case 15:31:37 <Optimizer> all of accounts are connected 15:31:42 <Optimizer> but I want the account for this 15:31:44 <flo> Optimizer: I usually have ~20 connected accounts 15:31:45 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1468 on bug 1375. 15:31:46 <Optimizer> converstion 15:31:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1375 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Followup: Unread ruler CSS and Bubbles margin improvements 15:32:33 <Optimizer> lets say by javascript, I want to join a channel using this account 15:32:54 <Optimizer> so how will I get that 15:33:28 <flo> Optimizer: where are you currently adding code? 15:33:34 <flo> what are the easily reachable objects? 15:33:48 <Optimizer> all the objects an addon can reach 15:33:58 <flo> Optimizer: not an answer 15:34:09 <Optimizer> getBrowser() 15:34:13 <Optimizer> as a root 15:34:17 <flo> Optimizer: an add-on can have code in any window, in some modules, some back-end components 15:34:29 <Optimizer> and I can get conversations etc using that 15:34:41 <Optimizer> like the show nick add-on does 15:35:06 <flo> Optimizer: getBrowser().selectedConversation._conv.account 15:35:16 <Optimizer> thanks :) 15:35:20 <flo> that will give you the account of the currently selected tab 15:35:30 <Optimizer> that's all I need 15:35:48 <aleth> Optimizer: I think you would save yourself a lot of time if you had a look through the conversation.xml code to get an idea of what objects are reachable from the conversation binding and how. 15:36:01 <Optimizer> what if (!acc.connected || !acc.canJoinChat) is true for that account ? 15:36:12 * flo thinks you would have had a good answer faster by asking "how can I get the account of the currently selected tab from a conversation window?" instead of "how do I get the active account?" 15:36:30 <flo> Optimizer: if !acc.canJoinChat, you are definitely not in an IRC account 15:36:43 <flo> so I don't think you care about channels in that case 15:36:50 <Optimizer> oh 15:36:51 <Optimizer> thanks 15:39:34 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 15:40:18 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 15:40:45 * aleth thinks flo is right, but for newbies part of the learning curve is figuring out the terminology so they can ask questions that can be answered 15:41:24 <aleth> For which I don't think there are any shortcuts beyond seeing how things are organised internally. 15:41:31 <flo> aleth: I think comparing a good and a poor question helps to see the difference between them and learn to ask questions that can easily be answered 15:41:47 <aleth> Oh, definitely. 15:41:50 * Optimizer knows that I ask a lot, but that eventually helps 15:42:59 <flo> aleth: also it may be useful to point out that the lack or answer isn't "because we dislike you" but "because the question isn't good" 15:44:00 <aleth> e.g. "there is no such thing as 'the active account' " ;) 15:44:42 <aleth> All I meant was that the question comes from an implicit assumption about how things are organised internally which is wrong. 15:45:05 <clokep_work> Right, so it sometimes helps to describe what you're really trying to do instead of just "how do I get so and so?" 15:45:07 <Optimizer> what would you call the account associated to the current tab 15:45:21 <clokep_work> The account of the current tab. :) 15:45:25 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:45:32 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 15:45:47 <aleth> Well, technically you would go tab -> conversation binding -> conversation -> account 15:45:55 <aleth> (for example) 15:46:12 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 15:46:48 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:46:56 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 15:47:13 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 15:49:16 <aleth> clokep_work: "Right, so it sometimes helps to describe what you're really trying to do instead of just "how do I get so and so?" <- that seems to be the key :) 15:51:11 <Optimizer> stop mocking me guys 15:51:29 <Optimizer> I am loosing the will to code for IB now :( 15:51:59 <aleth> I don't think anyone was mocking you... just having a conversation about how best to respond to newbie questions so we can help better! 15:52:05 <flo> Optimizer: it's not you. It's all people who ask questions and receive frustrating answers even though the people answering are willing to help ;) 15:53:08 <clokep_work> Optimizer: We're not mocking you at all. 15:53:20 <Optimizer> hmmm 15:53:35 <aleth> Plus, you seem to have written an add-on in record time, so things can't be going too badly :D 15:53:35 <clokep_work> We all ask questions like that when we have a limited understanding of how things work, we're just trying to explain that it's hard for us to answer without making assumptions about what you're really asking. 15:53:38 <clokep_work> It helps a lot ot be specific. :) 15:53:59 <flo> I think lots of people have a hard time when beginning open source work to learn to explain where they are going instead of where they are stuck. 15:54:30 <-- wesj has quit (Input/output error) 15:54:33 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 15:54:35 <Optimizer> aleth: I didn't have to look up on how to make add-ons , thats why 15:55:09 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:55:16 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 15:55:22 <flo> Optimizer: even when knowing everything about Instantbird's internal, it can still take us a lot of time between starting and having something ready to package ;) 15:55:54 <aleth> Optimizer: When I first started writing things for Instantbird, I also was confused about how things worked, and asked questions that had no answer ;) It's normal. Someone telling you that you are asking the wrong question is actually helpful, not criticism. 15:56:16 <Optimizer> there there, now you guys are just trying to comfort me :P 15:56:35 <-- pvagner has quit (Ping timeout) 15:56:38 <flo> pfff :-P 15:57:45 <flo> it's hard to work with a single screen :-S 15:58:03 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:58:06 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 15:58:06 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 15:58:36 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:58:46 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 15:58:46 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 15:59:00 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 15:59:27 <aleth> Would it be feasible to not build a nightly if the repo hasn't been changed? 16:00:13 <flo> any reason for wanting that? 16:00:40 <aleth> I don't know... energy savings? ;) 16:00:51 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:01:52 <aleth> I think the current FF build system has a check like that, hence the question. 16:02:42 <Optimizer> You guys also have slaves ? 16:02:48 <Optimizer> building and testing builds on platforms 16:03:29 <flo> we have only one slave per platform, so not really enough to have unit testing 16:03:40 <flo> but we do nightly builds every night :) 16:05:44 <Optimizer> thus nightly :P 16:06:18 --> myk has joined #instantbird 16:06:19 <flo> aleth: you know a bit the code used for writing messages to the conversation in chunk, right? 16:07:18 <flo> Optimizer: yeah, even though it's probably not the night yet in California when we do them ;) 16:07:49 <flo> aleth: I'm looking for a way to handle the second review comment at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754914#c3 16:08:15 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 16:08:18 <flo> sending a notification to the global observer service each time we display something doesn't seem like something I would want :-/ 16:09:40 <flo> aleth: I haven't fully decided yet if I want to argue against that comment or find a clean solution to that not-very-important (in my opinion) problem 16:09:55 <-- meh has quit (Ping timeout) 16:10:17 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:10:25 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 16:10:41 <aleth> flo: What does this look like in TB? You have side-by-side the search results and the conversation view? 16:11:10 <flo> the search result view is a log file loaded like other log files 16:11:10 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:11:14 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 16:11:19 <flo> aleth: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2301433/Screenshots/SearchIrc.png 16:11:26 <aleth> Thanks 16:11:43 <flo> (assume the participant list isn't visible on that screenshot ;)) 16:12:58 <Optimizer> flo: That screen looks different to what I can see (not talking about Mac and Windows difference) 16:13:16 <Optimizer> I don't see add account, available and search engine on top of conversation window 16:13:48 <flo> Optimizer: that screenshot is from Thunderbird (my day job ;)), not Instantbird 16:14:08 <Optimizer> Ah 16:14:15 --> meh has joined #instantbird 16:14:22 <Optimizer> Thunderbird has IRC support ? 16:15:10 <flo> Thunderbird 15 will have it. 16:15:36 <flo> Optimizer: the back-end comes from Instantbird ;) 16:16:07 <Optimizer> seems like I might shift to it then :P 16:17:31 <flo> if you already use Thunderbird everyday, that solution may make sense for you 16:18:35 <Optimizer> no I liked the UI of TB 16:18:47 <Optimizer> I only want to use IRC 16:19:06 <aleth> So the highlight of messages which contain search hits, that's a TB-specific feature? How is that implemented - do you add an attribute to the DOM? (Sorry I can't see it in the patch) 16:20:09 <flo> Optimizer: Tb isn't really designed to not have any email accounts. If you use it only for IRC you may find lots of bugs (but if you report them I may fix them :)). 16:20:40 <flo> aleth: I open the findbar and put the search term in its textbox 16:21:01 <aleth> So the "highlight" is just a selection, as in IB. 16:21:33 <flo> are you talking about the view in the screenshot (where no highlight is visible btw) or of the gloda facet view? 16:21:48 <-- pvagner has quit (Ping timeout) 16:22:07 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:22:13 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 16:22:20 <aleth> Not about the screenshot, but I asked because of one I remember seeing some other time which had a blue border highlight. 16:23:18 <aleth> If you were to fire a notification, I think it should be one sent after all pending messages have been added, not after each individual message. 16:23:33 <aleth> I'm still not sure I fully understand the context though. 16:23:46 <flo> aleth: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/base/content/glodaFacetBindings.xml#1658 16:24:11 <flo> that code (which I wrote) isn't specific to IMs though 16:25:34 <aleth> I agree it doesn't seem a hugely important problem, and sending notifications just for that would add constant overhead which is not needed for any other feature 16:26:07 <flo> do we have a cheap way to do it though? 16:26:07 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:26:14 <aleth> At least if you only sent a notification when everything pending is ready, you wouldn't suffer performance drawbacks 16:26:14 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 16:26:30 <aleth> But then it wouldn't start searching until the progress bar is done. 16:27:12 <flo> is there a reference from the convbrowser to the conversation binding already? 16:27:41 <aleth> browser._messageDisplayPending isn't enough for that? 16:27:57 <flo> I want to find the word as soon as it's displayed, so waiting for the whole conversation to be displayed isn't ok 16:28:44 <aleth> That's what I thought. 16:29:26 <aleth> I don't think there is meant to be such a reference (at least I can't think of one). 16:30:27 <flo> I would need something around http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/content/convbrowser.xml#341 16:30:36 <aleth> What if you trigger the search (if necessary) directly from the equivalent of displayPendingMessages (convbrowser) after each bunch of messages is displayed? 16:31:10 <aleth> flo: yes, that's what I was just looking at too :) 16:31:11 <flo> oh well, we could dispatch an event to the browser tag, and add an addEventListener from the conversation binding 16:32:02 <aleth> or dispatch an event to this.contentWindow.(...) ? 16:33:10 <aleth> ah, that wouldn't work. 16:33:21 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:33:28 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 16:34:26 <-- meh has quit (Quit: I don't want to live on this planet anymore.) 16:36:05 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 16:36:35 <aleth> Would it be cleaner to set a boolean in the convbrowser object while searching, and also do the highlighting from convbrowser? 16:36:45 <aleth> i.e. move as much of the search code to convbrowser as you can 16:36:52 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 16:37:31 <aleth> (I'm not sure that's a good idea, just mentioning it) 16:38:05 <flo> would also be cleaner to give all the search terms 16:38:22 <flo> using the findbar was just an ugly hack, but apparently it's going to get ui-r+ ;) 16:38:45 <aleth> I see :D 16:43:09 <aleth> That's the only moderately clean idea that I can think of - move the "backend" part of search to convbrowser, and trigger it from the UI via new methods (jumpToNextResult and such). 16:43:32 <aleth> Seems a lot of extra work though. 16:44:35 <flo> seems like something we will want ;) 16:44:39 <flo> later :) 16:45:07 <aleth> Yes, for better search and highlighting, it would be needed anyway one day ;) 16:46:56 <flo> and to display in the conversation only the message that contain the search results + some context messages, rather than the whole log :) 16:47:37 <aleth> ) 16:47:49 <aleth> And highlight all the visible search results at the same time... 16:47:51 <flo> ) ;) 16:48:14 <aleth> parentheses as minimalist smileys 16:50:06 <flo> you can also use : ) 16:50:32 <flo> I've heard the space character has the magical property of making today's instantbird not fail ;) 16:50:44 <aleth> :-) 16:52:35 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 16:53:02 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 16:53:02 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 16:53:33 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Who is Peer and why is he resetting our connections? :() 16:53:45 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 16:53:46 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 16:54:22 <wnayes> Just an update: still interested in making a Psychic Mode addon; trying to understand the modules/services surrounding conversations :) 16:55:03 --> meh has joined #instantbird 16:55:26 <wnayes> If my instincts are right, imConversations.js might have something to do with the buddy-typing notification, in particular http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/src/imConversations.js#263 16:57:06 <wnayes> However I am curious as to what exactly a "target" is in this context, and why it would want to be changed. What I'm understanding so far is that a UIConversation is something related to an individual conversation, not the entire collection. 16:57:18 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 16:57:19 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 16:59:52 --> Optimizer1 has joined #instantbird 16:59:57 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 17:02:06 <Mic> flo: in hindsight I'd say I should have tried to adapt Fx' Strata theme. 17:02:52 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout) 17:02:53 <Mic> Which parts bug you most? I'm seeing them everyday, so I guess I'm too used to it ;) 17:03:27 <-- Optimizer1 has quit (Ping timeout) 17:03:58 --> Optimizer1 has joined #instantbird 17:07:13 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 17:08:03 --> myk has joined #instantbird 17:08:12 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 17:11:32 <flo> wnayes: so, the concepts around our various conversation objects aren't really easy to guess :) 17:11:47 <flo> it's possible to have several different ways to contact a single person. 17:12:56 <flo> we call a person a "contact" (imIContact). Each person can have several buddies (the accounts that person has) (imIBuddy). You can reach a buddy from different accounts you have. The link between a buddy and an account of the user is represented by the prplIAccountBuddy objects. 17:13:40 <-- mmkmou has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:13:41 <flo> a conversation as seen by a protocol plugin (prplIConversation) is a conversation between a prplIAccountBuddy and one of the user's accounts. 17:14:05 <clokep_work> flo: If you want to send smiles, just send ::) 17:14:46 <flo> however, a conversation as seen by the UI (imIConversation, often designed by UIConversation) is between the user and a person (a contact, imIContact). 17:15:22 <flo> when changing the prplIAccountBuddy used to talk to a contact, the target of the imIConversation conversation changes. 17:16:05 * flo wonders if he has clarified the situation or confused it even more :). 17:19:59 <wnayes> flo: Thanks for the explanation; I must be mainly looking at UI related code, as I haven't seen most of those terms. I haven't found anything yet that seems to be relevant to the fix I need to make :( 17:21:36 <flo> you understand what a target is now? 17:22:04 <clokep_work> wnayes: Did you look at the four items in that list I sent you yesterday? 17:22:16 <clokep_work> (Also what is exact "fix" you're trying to do? :)) 17:24:23 <wnayes> clokep_work: Those have been what I've been looking at mainly, at least to see if there is something that would require a pref to allow the buddy-typing notification to be available to an addon for non-existing conversations. 17:25:13 <clokep_work> wnayes: I don't think flo was saying to have a pref to allow the buddy-typing notification to be available...I think he was saying to have a pref for Psychic Mode (but maybe I misunderstood). 17:25:20 <wnayes> flo: a target is the account being used rather than the contact being messaged? 17:25:54 <clokep_work> Right, so you'd want to look at the places that fire off the typing notification, although I guess I'm not positive where this happens. :-S 17:25:59 <flo> wnayes: right :) 17:29:14 <wnayes> clokep_work: My best guess now would be in observeConv, http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/src/imConversations.js#271 17:30:37 <wnayes> I'm unsure if I can observe every notification of that type or only for a particular/existing conversation 17:31:31 <clokep_work> The issue I see with that though...is that the UIConversation doesn't exist until after it's been opened, so adding something there won't help you AFAIK (thoughts flo?) 17:35:24 <clokep_work> Since that's where the notification is caught, not where it's thrown. 17:35:34 <clokep_work> If I'm understanding this code properly! 17:37:21 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1444 filed by clokep@gmail.com. 17:37:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1444 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Basic test for IRC messages 17:37:54 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:38:37 <-- Mic has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:40:07 <flo> I think if I wanted to make this change I would look in the C++ code of purplexpcom to see what happens to libpurple typing notifications 17:40:08 <instantbot> c++ sucks 17:40:33 <flo> clokep_work: what do you mean with "object --> String --> object "? 17:41:11 <clokep_work> flo: Taking an ircMessage object, building the string message out of it and then parsing it again to get an object (what you originally suggested). 17:42:22 <flo> I don't see how you can have an ircMessage object without having the string first 17:43:00 <flo> but really, test whatever you think would be the most likely to catch regressions :) 17:43:16 <-- pvagner has quit (Ping timeout) 17:44:17 <clokep_work> flo: But that's exactly what you suggested earlier. :P And you'd have the ircMessage object by hand crafting it. 17:45:47 <clokep_work> I actually like the opposite better (string --> object --> string), but I'm not sure my code will always create exactly the same messages... 17:45:52 <-- Optimizer1 has quit (Ping timeout) 17:47:25 <flo> I suggested decode(encode(m)) == m [where m is a string, taken from an array on which we iterate, but I haven't said that explicitly as it seemed obvious :-/] 17:47:40 <flo> I don't see how == could be meaningful on an object 17:48:24 <clokep_work> I took encode(m) as m being an object and encode being "encode it to a string" ;) 17:48:41 <clokep_work> So I guess you didn't say /exactly/ that, but it was a bit vague. :) 17:50:12 --> Optimizer1 has joined #instantbird 17:51:16 <flo> let o = encode(m); m is the message the user typed; o is the string we send to the server. There are only strings ;) 17:52:16 <clokep_work> Ah, so I took what you said totally wrong then. 17:52:35 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 17:52:39 <clokep_work> I thought you were talking about messages in general, not just PRIVMSGs. 17:52:53 <flo> it was (purposefully?) ambiguous, so you could imagine whatever made the most sense 17:53:18 <clokep_work> Right. 17:54:05 <clokep_work> Anyway, do you understand the testing paradigm around the fakeserver stuff? I don't understand how they have like "contents" to give to a client connecting to them. Are they just preloaded w/ mail and then the tests download it and ensure certain things on it? 17:54:08 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout) 17:55:38 <flo> I think I begin to like the Tb IM UI 17:56:52 <flo> clokep_work: I'm not sure all the fakeservers used for testing follow exactly the same ideas. People probably whatever was easiest for what they were trying to achieve at the time. 17:57:37 <flo> for an irc fake server we would probably want something that behaves more or less like a real server, so that we can check that we are able to connect, receive messages, handle whois replies, etc... 17:58:14 --> myk has joined #instantbird 17:59:54 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout) 18:00:14 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 18:00:33 <clokep_work> Right. So I guess we'd test if we send a WHOIS do we receive the responses we expect? :) 18:00:58 <flo> clokep_work: we could also test that we don't fail to bad when the server doesn't send the reply we expect 18:01:08 <flo> *too 18:03:00 --> myk has joined #instantbird 18:03:05 <wnayes> I would say the buddy-typing notification is sent to observers of a particular conversation based on http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/purpleInitConv.cpp#218. Line 114 seems to be where observers are notified. 18:03:37 <flo> yes 18:03:44 <flo> is this called if the conversation doesn't exist? 18:03:56 <-- meh has quit (Ping timeout) 18:04:25 <flo> wnayes: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/purpleInitConv.cpp#112 will return early if no prplIConversation object exists yet 18:04:52 <wnayes> I was just going to ask about NS_ENSURE_TRUE :) 18:06:11 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 18:06:16 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 18:06:32 <flo> wnayes: |NS_ENSURE_TRUE(a, rv);| is |if (!a) { NS_WARNING("NS_ENSURE_TRUE("a") failed"); return rv; }| 18:06:57 <flo> wnayes: if you have a debug build, it will be visible in your terminal if NS_ENSURE_* returns 18:09:18 <flo> wnayes: I think if I wanted to work on this I would add several printfs around to understand what happens more quickly 18:10:54 <wnayes> flo: since this is happening at a lower level, can prefs be accessed or addons influence the behavior? I could see something simply added (like a create_conv() call) if the conversation does not exist, however then there would be no need for an addon :) 18:11:21 <flo> wnayes: the add-on would just add some UI for the pref 18:11:29 <flo> or turn the pref on automatically when it is installed 18:11:37 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 18:11:37 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 18:11:50 <flo> or display a system message in the conversation 18:12:29 <clokep_work> Whoever is doing the opening should display the system message I think. :) 18:14:59 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 18:15:03 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 18:21:36 <flo> bah, we cleanup all the addEventListener calls that had false as the last parameter, but no the removeEventListener calls? :-S 18:21:41 <flo> *cleaned up 18:22:25 <aleth> I'm pretty sure neither is all cleaned up everywhere... 18:22:59 <flo> aleth: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/search?string=addEventListener looks quite clean to me 18:23:22 <flo> aleth: bug 1031 18:23:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1031 tri, --, 1.2, benediktp, RESO FIXED, Remove the optional last parameter from addEventListener calls 18:24:10 <aleth> I must have been thinking of removeEventListener then 18:24:24 <aleth> Certainly saw one or the other recently... 18:24:39 <aleth> Sorry 18:25:06 <-- pvagner has quit (Ping timeout) 18:27:18 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:27:18 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 18:29:03 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 18:29:40 <aleth> clokep_work: WATCH is really working beautifully :) 18:30:04 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Who is Peer and why is he resetting our connections? :() 18:30:08 --> pvagnes has joined #instantbird 18:30:19 <-- pvagner has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:30:29 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:30:29 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 18:32:05 <flo> aleth: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/42606 18:32:14 <flo> I think that's all I need to please bwinton for that patch 18:32:50 <flo> I guess I should add some IRC contacts to my list to see that watch in action :) 18:32:52 <clokep_work> aleth: Good. :) Glad you can stalk my away messages now. ;) 18:32:58 <aleth> Aha, yes, that should do it :) 18:33:48 <flo> that's technically in chat/ so clokep_work may want to look at it too? 18:34:21 * clokep_work grumbles. 18:34:36 <clokep_work> Can I have the 2 minute background to this? 18:34:50 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 18:35:20 <flo> hmm 18:36:05 <flo> clokep_work: so when displaying a conversation log after the user clicked on a gloda search result with an highlighted keyword, Tb-UI people want me to highlight the searched term in the conversation log too 18:36:24 <flo> the trick I'm using for that is putting the search term in the findbar, and calling findAgain 18:36:48 <flo> my current patch does that findAgain call every 100ms until the term is found, which bwinton didn't like 18:37:12 <flo> he wants me to add a notification instead each time there's a reason to expect that it's now possible to find something that wasn't found before (ie there are new displayed messages) 18:37:46 <flo> I think a global notification would be a pretty bad idea; a non bubbling event seems an acceptable compromise to me 18:39:00 <clokep_work> Alright, that sounds reasonable to me too. 18:39:13 <clokep_work> Please do r=aleth,clokep. 18:39:34 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 18:39:59 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 18:39:59 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 18:40:05 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: aleth) 18:40:08 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 18:40:08 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 18:41:05 * bear|buildduty is now known as bear-afk 18:43:39 <aleth> Anyone else experiencing occasional IB crashes (contact window opens, but its contents is not drawn) on restart (e.g. after an update) in the last few days? Killing the process and restarting, everything is fine. 18:44:11 <clokep_work> aleth: I think that happened to me once? But I think it crashed totally. 18:49:19 * clokep_work wonders if these would be helpful somewhere... 18:49:21 <clokep_work> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/extensions/irc/js/lib/connection-xpcom.js#7 18:49:24 <flo> that doesn't seem like a "crash" 18:49:56 <flo> in socket.jsm maybe? 18:50:03 * Mic hopes the Tb UI looks better on Mac than it does on Windows :( 18:50:15 <flo> like at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/modules/socket.jsm#91 ? 18:50:35 <flo> Mic: are you trying it or looking at a screenshot? 18:50:42 <Mic> I'm trying it. 18:50:50 --> meh has joined #instantbird 18:51:14 <flo> is this about the Tb UI in general, or IM-in-Tb specifically? 18:51:45 <Mic> The Tb UI in general, but the IM-in-Tb doesn't look that good there either :S 18:52:37 <flo> blame andreas? :) 18:53:17 <Mook_as> yeah, I couldn't stand the default Tb UI on Windows, had to get Silvermel :( 18:57:22 <Mic> The IM status selector looks great, though ;) 18:58:08 <FeuerFliege> Mic: Daily or Earlybird? 18:58:19 <Mic> I'm using Daily 18:58:34 <Mic> *trying 18:59:36 --> Mic_Daily has joined #instantbird 19:01:47 <clokep_work> I don't mind the new Daily UI. 19:02:08 <clokep_work> I don't think it's OMG AMAZING!!!!11!!1!, but I'm OK w/ it. 19:02:26 <FeuerFliege> IIRC Thunderbird Daily has gone full australis, right? 19:03:09 <Mic> Not, as far as I can tell. The tabs look still very Firefox-4-ish. 19:04:32 <FeuerFliege> I thought they were rounded and glass everywhere 19:04:39 <FeuerFliege> https://people.mozilla.com/~shorlander/ux-presentation/01-Firefox-Australis-(Windows).jpg 19:05:08 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 19:08:51 <clokep_work> I do have to say that IM in Thunderbird could provide some interesting opportunities... 19:09:17 <wnayes> flo: just tried some printf's in notify_conv, unfortunately (with AIM at least) they only occurred when the conversation was opened (despite being before the NS_ENSURE_TRUE calls). 19:09:49 <clokep_work> wnayes: Did you take a look at the psychic mode source to see what libpurple signal it listens to? 19:11:25 <FeuerFliege> I was just asked if IB supports the jabber protocol ⦠19:11:48 <FeuerFliege> is it XMPP? 19:11:49 <clokep_work> FeuerFliege: By someone using Instantbird? 19:11:53 <clokep_work> Yes. 19:11:57 <clokep_work> Jabber isn't a protocol, it's a network. 19:12:19 <aleth> FeuerFliege: Jabber.org uses XMPP 19:13:53 <clokep_work> wnayes: http://lxr.instantbird.org/pidgin2.6.3/source/libpurple/plugins/psychic.c#35 19:14:05 <wnayes> clokep_work: the plugin has a callback given to purple_signal_connect(), listening to the "buddy-typing" signal. 19:14:09 <clokep_work> (Also ViewMTN is absolutely awful...) 19:14:09 <aleth> What does this psychic plugin do? 19:14:57 <FeuerFliege> thx 19:15:03 <clokep_work> aleth: It opens a conversation window when someone starts typing to you. 19:15:08 <clokep_work> Even if the conversation isn't open. 19:15:22 <clokep_work> (Well I guess only if the conversation isn't open.) 19:17:02 <aleth> Aha, so you can answer before you read the question ;) 19:17:48 <FeuerFliege> maybe in Germany jabber is also used to name the protocol, at least the German wikipedia says so. 19:18:11 <Mic> I think it started as Jabber and was renamed one day to XMPP? 19:18:34 <clokep_work> Kind of. xmpp.org or whatever their site is has a good description of it. 19:18:40 <aleth> FeuerFliege: Maybe it would be a good idea if the protocol description included it: "XMPP (Jabber)" 19:18:57 <aleth> File a bug? 19:20:49 <Mic> I can't close conversations of a deleted account in Daily :( Error is http://pastebin.instantbird.com/42619. 19:21:07 <-- Mic_Daily has quit (Quit: Mic_Daily) 19:21:21 <clokep_work> aleth: I'd really prefer it doesn't. 19:21:32 <clokep_work> That'd be like saying "IRC (Freenode)" in my mind. 19:21:39 <clokep_work> (Which isn't even the biggest network, mind you.) 19:22:05 <aleth> clokep_work: I was thinking not of that literal string, but of using the new longer description in the fav protocol selector 19:22:06 <clokep_work> Also we were specifically asked not to reference it as jabber by bear - afk. 19:22:17 <clokep_work> It's not a top protocol. ;) 19:22:25 <aleth> Not in the USA maybe ;) 19:22:47 <aleth> The German locale may want to differ... 19:23:53 <aleth> Oh, I see, looking at the code, the long-form descriptions only exist for the top protocols of each locale, not overall. So it's up to the -de localiser anyway. 19:25:11 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work: the biggest German XMPP server are called jabber.foobar.de: jabber.ccc.de jabber.piratenpartei.de etc. 19:25:17 <FeuerFliege> aleth: 19:25:47 <Mic> The new select-protocol-step is great, wnayes :) 19:25:48 <FeuerFliege> yes i think i should take care of that issue with the German l10n 19:26:34 <aleth> FeuerFliege: Have you tried the new protocol selector in the account wizard, so you see what we meant by "top protocols'? 19:27:01 <FeuerFliege> yes i noticed it today 19:27:22 <FeuerFliege> I think ICQ should be mentioned in Germany 19:27:31 <FeuerFliege> but it looks nice 19:27:41 <aleth> That's all up to the German l10n team 19:28:11 <Mic> Which is .. him ;) 19:28:16 <FeuerFliege> ) 19:28:25 <aleth> Then the conversation will be short :D 19:29:00 <FeuerFliege> the behaviour of this unread line changed, right? 19:29:30 <Mic> I think I saw a screenshot of Tb on Mac with something that looked like the Australis theme. The tab borders were curved atleast. 19:29:38 <aleth> FeuerFliege: Yes, it now disappears when you switch away from a window. Please let us know if you think it better or worse 19:29:49 <FeuerFliege> better 19:30:41 <Mic> lol @ http://lxr.instantbird.org/pidgin2.6.3/source/libpurple/plugins/psychic.c#67 19:31:28 <Mic> It should post another message saying "You always sense a disturbance of the force" if the buddy stopped typing and didn't send a message in the end ;) 19:31:57 <aleth> "The force is not with you today" ;) 19:34:05 <-- pvagnes has quit (Ping timeout) 19:39:37 * bear-afk is now known as bear|buildduty 19:40:59 --> pvagnes has joined #instantbird 19:41:45 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:41:59 --> myk has joined #instantbird 19:46:58 <Mic> Neither is Daily any longer ;) 19:47:32 --> BYK has joined #instantbird 19:48:03 <Mic> It's nice to have the status for IRC contacts on the list now, thanks :) 19:50:46 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 20:09:09 <FeuerFliege> freenode doesnât like my instantbird. Sometimes a part of the message is cut off. Did anyone noticed problems, too? 20:11:49 <Mic> Do you have an example for a message that was cut off? 20:17:07 <-- meh has quit (Quit: I don't want to live on this planet anymore.) 20:17:12 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Who is Peer and why is he resetting our connections? :() 20:21:41 <clokep_work> Mic: Glad you like it. :) It'll only work on some networks. 20:21:53 <clokep_work> FeuerFliege: IRC has a max length, if someone is saying really long things it'll cut off. 20:22:00 <clokep_work> So an example would be good (pastebin it if you have to). 20:22:43 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Byte!) 20:23:39 <FeuerFliege> I sent âeins zwei drei vierâ in the IB window itâs shown as âeins zwei drei vierâ but only the first word is received (âeinsâ). 20:31:45 <aleth> FeuerFliege: I can reproduce this. 20:31:48 <aleth> Please file a bug? 20:32:13 <FeuerFliege> ok 20:33:11 <aleth> Also, try if ":eins zwei drei vier" works for you - it does for me 20:36:11 <FeuerFliege> aleth: yes, but »:« disappeared. 20:36:47 <aleth> Right, same here. It's a regression from a patch that landed the other day. 20:38:03 <aleth> clokep will be overjoyed when he returns ;) 20:38:17 <FeuerFliege> G 20:38:21 <FeuerFliege> D 21:00:38 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 21:00:59 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 21:01:05 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 21:15:59 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:16:00 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 21:17:59 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1445 filed by bugi@media.fjmail.de. 21:18:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1445 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Messages are cut off before first [Space] on freenode server 21:20:05 <FeuerFliege> clokep: aleth said you would be âoverjoyedâ to hear that there might be a regression. 21:20:09 <clokep> FeuerFliege: I can't reproduce that. 21:20:31 <aleth> I can :( 21:20:58 <aleth> Very strange though - why does it work on mozilla.org? 21:21:00 <clokep> Are you using a different encoding than UTF-8? 21:21:08 <aleth> I very much doubt it. 21:21:08 <FeuerFliege> no 21:21:28 <aleth> How would I check? 21:21:52 <clokep> OK I can reproduce on Freenode, but why would it work on one and not the other? Hmmm... 21:22:11 <aleth> Some strange interaction with MONITOR? 21:22:12 <FeuerFliege> D â should be a smily 21:22:22 <aleth> FeuerFliege: that's been fixed already. 21:22:25 <clokep> aleth: I doubt that. 21:22:31 <aleth> So do I. 21:22:45 * clokep is waiting for his build to finish. 21:24:30 <FeuerFliege> aleth: when was it fixed? I have todays nightly. 21:24:43 <aleth> FeuerFliege: You need tomorrow's nightly :P 21:24:52 <clokep> aleth: That wasn't checked in yet, actually. 21:25:00 <clokep> I'll be verifying that fix momentarily though. 21:25:26 <FeuerFliege> so its not checked in yet? 21:26:02 <FeuerFliege> oy 21:26:10 <clokep> aleth: (For bonus points I'll be reviewing your patch at the same time. ;)) 21:26:16 <FeuerFliege> *ok 21:26:40 <FeuerFliege> good night. 21:27:15 <aleth> It's a good thing too it hasn't been checked in yet as clearly there is still a tweak needed... 21:27:44 <aleth> I think I see the problem. 21:27:46 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 21:28:11 <clokep> ? 21:28:25 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 21:28:25 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 21:28:56 <aleth> No : is prepended on mozilla.org either, the server is just more tolerant. 21:29:08 <-- BYK has quit (Ping timeout) 21:29:34 <clokep> aleth: OK. I'll look at it in a second. 21:30:19 <clokep> aleth: I know the issue. 21:30:52 <clokep> I'll give you a patch in a second. 21:31:29 * flo has the unread ruler in a place that really doesn't help 21:31:46 <-- Optimizer1 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:31:55 <Mook_as> where the sun doesn't shine? :p 21:32:50 <clokep> >:O 21:32:58 <clokep> My builds keep crashing all of a suddent now... 21:33:51 * bear|buildduty is now known as bear-afk 21:34:33 <clokep> Oh wait...I vaguely recall making some edit previously to nsXPConnect...? 21:34:43 <flo> Mic: "I can't close conversations of a deleted account in Daily" deleting the account should close the conversation automatically. But it's something I haven't tested since the chat/ update. 21:36:32 <clokep> flo: Do you remember how you fixed this? http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/120321/#m509 21:39:08 <flo> aleth: so the new unread ruler behavior really annoys me. What was changed exactly and why? 21:39:26 <flo> clokep: I just made the assertion non fatal 21:40:57 <clokep> "non fatal"? 21:41:11 <flo> ifdef'd out the part that makes it abort ;) 21:41:48 <aleth> flo: It now removes the ruler also when a window loses focus. This was a request by those who didn't like seeing an unread ruler, but no messages they hadn't read yet, when returning to IB. 21:41:55 <clokep> I don't see the part that makes it abort. :-S 21:42:09 <clokep> I mean I can just comment out line 406, but I don't know if that's the issue... 21:42:12 <aleth> I'm not sure I prefer this behaviour either. It certainly is a change. 21:42:13 <clokep> I recall it being different. :( 21:42:28 <flo> aleth: that change is really very annoying 21:42:32 <flo> for me at least 21:42:32 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 21:42:32 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 21:42:37 <-- Mic has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:42:51 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 21:42:51 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 21:43:05 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 21:43:13 <flo> typically when I return from being physically away, I see the Instantbird window (which was focused when I left) and go look at my email inbox, and after checking that there's no email-emergency, I focus back the instantbird window 21:43:30 <aleth> flo: That's exactly why originally I didn't include that behaviour. 21:43:53 * flo is thinking 21:44:05 <flo> I suspect there's a tweak we can do to have the advantage of both 21:44:35 <aleth> Hopefully. I was going to wait for feedback, which is happening today :) 21:44:44 <flo> my case typically involve having Instantbird focused at the time the first message arrives: it's unread because I'm not here, not because the conversation wasn't shown 21:45:19 <flo> what about removing the ruler after instantbird looses focus *after* gaining it? 21:45:56 <flo> clokep: at which line is the problem you currently have? 21:46:04 <flo> clokep: and which exception do you get? 21:47:34 * aleth thinks the twitter website is a bit buggy 21:49:09 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 21:50:23 <clokep> flo: Assertion failure: !threadData.conservativeGC.requestThreshold, at c:/Users/clokep/instantbird/mozilla/js/xpconnect/src/nsXPConnect.cpp:406 21:50:43 <aleth> flo: I'll have to think about a precise differentiation 21:52:34 * flo hopes his comment in bug 1434 isn't too rude 21:52:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1434 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Adding two buddies with the same nick, but on different IRC accounts leads to strange behaviour 21:52:41 <aleth> If IB was focused, there wouldn't be a ruler 21:53:23 <flo> hmm 21:53:25 <flo> that sounds right 21:53:36 <flo> maybe the screensaver is focused while I'm away? 21:54:08 <aleth> flo: No, you are probably right... if I was sure about it I would have written a patch 21:55:06 <flo> aleth: the structure of our contact list is unfortunately complicated 21:55:29 <flo> it's possibly a case of premature optimization/abstraction :-/. 21:55:34 <aleth> Not quite sure exactly what I am confused about yet though ;) Maybe I meant the right thing but used the wrong terms too 21:56:25 <flo> I designed it months before the 0.1 release, and it included contacts and tags already (that haven't been actually in the UI until 0.3a<some number>). 21:56:33 <aleth> Thanks for the feedback anyway, should clarify things when I am less tired. 21:57:01 <flo> that has saved us the hassle of writing migration code 21:57:26 <flo> but may also make some things be more complicated than they actually need to be 21:58:05 <aleth> I think it's the precise logic of the auto-merging that I don't quite understand yet 21:58:10 <flo> uh, I thought we fixed bug 1424 a long time ago 21:58:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1424 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Warning: GenericConvChatPrototype _init "setting a property that has only a getter" 21:59:06 <flo> aleth: it was possibly an excessive optimization for a case that bothered me a lot with the clients I used previously 22:00:15 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 22:01:04 <flo> it's the first time I notice "Miranda IM!" is in bold in that quit message :-S 22:01:53 <clokep> Is that bad? 22:02:07 <flo> is this something we could/would want to copy for our default quit message? 22:03:17 <clokep> I'd prefer not to, if a client doesn't support the IRC extensions for bold it could look funky. 22:03:25 <clokep> We could do it, of course. 22:03:45 <flo> isn't it a non printable character? 22:04:26 <flo> but no, I don't really want that, it was just a random idea 22:05:45 <flo> and now I have 3 libpurple accounts stuck on "connecting..." 22:05:56 <flo> but all the others are connected 22:06:15 <flo> connectede for 7 hours and 33 minutes 22:06:55 <clokep> I forget if it's non-printable or not. 22:10:45 <flo> it's not important :) 22:10:59 <flo> not being able to send messages on freenode bothers me more ;) 22:13:23 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 22:13:36 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 22:14:51 <clokep> flo: I have an untested patch for the IRC stuff...but I have to go... 22:15:11 <flo> I'll go to bed in a few minutes, so I guess we will fix that up later 22:15:24 <flo> I'll be offline tomorrow afternoon and evening (invited to a wedding) 22:15:48 <clokep> Alright. I'll put up a patch tomorow. 22:15:50 <clokep> Goodnight! :) 22:15:57 <clokep> (IT is a nightly...stuff breaks. ;)) 22:16:08 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 22:21:55 <Mic> Good night 22:21:58 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Who is Peer and why is he resetting our connections? :() 22:31:02 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 1.1.19/2010030105]) 23:25:22 <-- wnayes has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:45:54 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 23:50:01 <flo> Good night :) 23:50:21 <-- flo1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:57:08 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 23:57:10 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 23:58:59 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 23:58:59 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout)