#instantbird log on 05 15 2012

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00:14:16 <instant-buildbot> build #495 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/495
00:18:15 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1469 on bug 1369.
00:18:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1369 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Support WATCH and MONITOR for IRC
00:21:08 <instantbot> wnayes@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1470 on bug 1391.
00:21:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1391 enh, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, Suggest popular protocols during account creation
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01:44:46 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1471 on bug 1369.
01:44:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1369 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Support WATCH and MONITOR for IRC
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07:12:09 <Mic> Good morning
07:12:16 <Mic> flo: thanks, prpl-quit worked.
07:13:11 <Mook> good night ;)
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07:13:13 <Mic> One thing I can imagine that happened was that I was receiving the quit-application-granted later than the core which is quitting when receiving it.
07:13:24 <Mic> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/src/imCore.js#304
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09:36:54 <FeuerFli1> after hibernation or a lost network connection all accounts reconnect but IRC on the freenode Server (irc.freenode.net Port 6697 SSL) not. It cycles tries to connect repeatedly but always gets “Error: Lost connection with server”. If I restart IB it connects instantly.
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09:41:18 <aleth> FeuerFliege: Is it bug 1292?
09:41:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1292 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Freenode SSL reconnection issues
09:42:48 <FeuerFliege> seems so. thx
09:43:56 <aleth> Try changing the port as a workaround as mentioned in the bug, does that work for you?
09:44:11 <FeuerFliege> mom
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09:46:37 <FeuerFliege> aleth: Port 7000 works
09:47:11 <aleth> FeuerFliege: Thanks! Can you add that to the bug so it is confirmed please? Maybe mention your OS too.
09:51:27 <flo> FeuerFliege: what do you mean with "Port 7000 works"?
09:52:31 <FeuerFliege> the problem doesn’t appear if the port is set to 7000
09:52:46 <flo> which steps have you used to try to reproduce?
09:55:25 <FeuerFliege> Reproduce the error: IRC account: irc.freenode.net Port 6697
09:55:26 <FeuerFliege> SSL is connected → Deactivate the LAN connection →  activate the LAN connection → ever other account reconnects, but not the freenode one. This happens everytime.
09:56:10 <FeuerFliege> I have tried it with the account settings change to irc.freenode.net Port 7000 SSL and it did reconnect like the other accounts
09:56:19 <flo> ok, thanks
10:15:31 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm denied review for attachment 1469 on bug 1369.
10:15:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1369 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Support WATCH and MONITOR for IRC
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10:24:12 <clokep> aleth: that comment was supposed to describe the fields of the message object. :)
10:24:16 <clokep> Apparently I forgot to do it haha.
10:26:31 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm denied review for attachment 1471 on bug 1369.
10:26:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1369 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Support WATCH and MONITOR for IRC
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10:38:28 <clokep> aleth: FYI I think bug 1292 is really about turning SSL by default for freenode, which is the default URL when you open Instantbird.
10:38:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1292 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Freenode SSL reconnection issues
10:39:00 <clokep> Which might be why I wanted to use port 6697 (which is more standard) than 7000, although I don't remember reading in their documentation that they prefer one over the other.
10:39:44 <flo> have we tried asking them if there's any difference between the two?
10:40:38 <aleth> Yes, sure. I just added the comment because 6697 is the standard SSL port, so we wouldn't want to change the default to 7000 just to avoid a freenode issue *unless* we had a dropdown list of server-specific settings already, so one could change it just for freenode.
10:42:05 * aleth wonders if wnayes might fancy improving the IRC account wizard if he has time
10:42:43 <clokep> Ah, yes. I agree with that statement. :)
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11:04:42 <flo> I'm looking at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753691 and I don't see a completely obvious link to https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/6e6a697a8def
11:06:47 <aleth> flo: probably http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/a0d791471fe6#l2.7
11:07:22 <flo> ah, right :)
11:07:42 <flo> so I guess I can link to https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/6e6a697a8def#l2.1 in the bug
11:08:06 <flo> aleth: thanks! :)
11:09:18 <flo> aleth: so if I resolve the bug as fixed, I guess I should assign it to you? What's your bmo addresss?
11:09:31 <aleth> Same as IB.
11:09:38 <flo> ok :)
11:09:44 <flo> the completion just gave me that result :)
11:11:02 <aleth> Merging BIO with BMO, does that look like happening?
11:11:19 <flo> yes, but not before 2-3 months
11:11:42 <aleth> When things have settled down I guess...
11:12:07 <flo> you can follow the discussion in the bug and etherpad to get your own estimate ;)
11:12:21 <aleth> heh ;)
11:12:25 <flo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749586
11:12:46 <aleth> It just looked at first glance like your manual /chat merge was a bit of work...
11:31:39 <flo> and now I'm wondering how I'll request approval-aurora for the parts that would be wanted there too ;)
11:32:09 <flo> that will probably be mostly by hand :-/
11:32:55 <aleth> and remembering which patches were serious enough and whether they have dependencies :-/
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11:44:33 <clokep_work> flo: Most commits ever for one bug? ;)
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11:49:53 <clokep_work> aleth: Thanks for that review by the way, definitely has a few things in there I didn't think of.
11:50:10 <clokep_work> (Like...uhhh...a server sending us both a WATCH *and* MONITOR flag as part of ISUPPORT. :-S)
12:06:16 <aleth> flo: Sorry, I wasn't thinking, of course merging BIO with BMO wouldn't help all that much with merging /chat...
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12:12:32 <aleth> clokep_work: Another thing I was wondering was whether the list of nicks sent to the server must have the right case (and if so, if that is guaranteed atm)
12:13:56 <clokep_work> aleth: Why would they?
12:14:01 <clokep_work> That wouldn't make any sense.
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12:17:03 <clokep_work> Nothing else requires it. :) It /better/ not require the proper case.
12:17:06 <aleth> This is IRC, does it have to make sense?
12:17:11 <clokep_work> True.
12:17:25 <clokep_work> But if clokep == cLoKeP everywhere else, it should in this case too.
12:17:31 <clokep_work> THe nicks are treated totally equivalent.
12:17:35 <aleth> I agree
12:17:37 <clokep_work> I can test it though when I get home.
12:17:39 <aleth> But:
12:18:17 <aleth> "In the event that a user changes his/her nickname such that the new nickname is case-insensitively equivilent to the old nickname, the server SHOULD NOT send any notification. Case-insensitive equivilence is determined by the method dictated by the CASEMAPPING RPL_ISUPPORT [6] token. The online notification is sent by way of an RPL_LOGON numeric. "
12:18:25 <aleth> I just did the search :(
12:18:44 <clokep_work> Yes...what's your point?
12:18:55 <aleth> I'm not sure how to interpret it.
12:19:48 <aleth> Is CASEMAPPING something standard?
12:20:48 <aleth> Ah, I see. OK, I was just confused.
12:20:54 <aleth> Thankfully :)
12:22:29 <flo> aleth: merging BIO into BMO would help in the sense that I wouldn't have to edit the commit messages of all changesets
12:26:10 <clokep_work> aleth: It will suck that we're not notified and will probably start receiving messages with a different case, but it shouldn't really /break/ anything.
12:26:25 <clokep_work> flo: And we won't have crazy dependencies going back and forth. :)
12:26:57 <flo> right, we will do both check-ins in the same bug, so there won't be "merges" any more anyway
12:28:12 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes, I was just needlessly worried CASEMAPPING could be set to be case-sensitive...
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12:44:39 <flo> clokep_work: "flo: Most commits ever for one bug? ;)" hmm, for me maybe. For BMO, definitely not.
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13:05:27 <Mic|web> aleth: sorry, I didn't have an opportunity to try with "git apply" yet (regarding bug 1074) :(
13:05:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1074 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Default message styles lack context message support
13:10:24 <aleth> I have no idea why "patch" struggles with that patch :-/
13:10:43 <flo> ah, the tb-trunk build I started before lunch is finished :)
13:10:56 <flo> 89m55.787s
13:12:30 <flo> the quick filter toggle toolbar button is now blue on Mac when the filter bar is visible :-S
13:12:57 <flo> oh, and it seems all the other toolbar buttons have changed
13:13:23 <flo> they look quite good, so I didn't notice immediately
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13:16:51 <FeuerFliege> flo: Got TB the australis style?
13:17:41 <flo> seems to be https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709799
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13:36:00 <FeuerFliege> how does use twitter on IB, too?
13:36:33 <flo> can you rephrase that question? :)
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13:38:00 <FeuerFliege> Is there someone else using twitter with IB? I have some problems, but I cannot give STR
13:38:25 <flo> explain the problem? :)
13:39:18 <FeuerFliege> Twitter seems to be connected, tweets are coming in but none of my actions ((re)tweet, (un)follow) come through.
13:40:17 <flo> can you successfully (re)connect any other account after you have noticed that behavior on Twitter?
13:40:36 <FeuerFliege> If I disconnect and reconnect the account all actions will be sent/come through (at this stage the account manager tells me that it is still trying to connect)
13:40:40 <flo> what you described seems like bug 1355
13:40:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1355 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, unable to establish any network connection until a restart of the application
13:41:27 <aleth> So it reconnects but fails to notice?
13:41:41 <FeuerFliege> flo: no i found that bug, but i don’t need to restart IB, reconnect in account manager is possible and
13:41:42 <flo> FeuerFliege: so things are sent exactly at the time you disconnect the account?
13:41:57 <FeuerFliege> flo: no the moment i reconnect
13:42:32 <FeuerFliege> at least that is my impression
13:43:13 <FeuerFliege> aleth: after some moments it says it is connected, but the unsend twitter actions come through sooner
13:43:39 <flo> I'm under the impression that there's a maximum number of http connections that we can have at once, and that this maximum is somehow exceeded, so things are sent when you disconnect
13:43:53 <FeuerFliege> ah and after the disconnect/reconnect in my timeline there is an error:
13:43:54 <FeuerFliege> An error (Das Freigeben ist für diesen Status nicht zulässig (Freigabe-Bestätigungen sind gescheitert)) occurred while retweeting: Zur Erinnerung: Heute, 20:15 ist Stefan Körner Gast bei der "Münchner Runde" des BR.
13:45:00 <FeuerFliege> I am looking for the english error text
13:45:31 <flo> in about:config I see network.http.max-connections;256
13:46:25 <FeuerFliege> here too: 256 max, 15per server
13:48:22 <FeuerFliege> the error in english is: sharing is not permissable for this status (Share validations failed)
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13:51:18 <FeuerFliege> ah, i see. Error is unrelated (because I tried to reweet multiple times the same tweet)
14:00:19 <clokep_work> flo: Are we all up to date from c-c as well (i.e. c-c --> Instantbird), minus the bug that requires moz12?
14:00:36 <flo> I think we are, but I haven't checked recently
14:03:33 <clokep_work> OK. I think we are too (minus the two bugs that were just checked in).
14:03:49 <flo> which bugs?
14:03:50 <clokep_work> The IRC empty text and the highlight being off by 3 characters.
14:03:55 <clokep_work> But you might have those checked in locally. :)
14:04:05 <flo> heh
14:04:09 <flo> you remember better than I do!
14:04:18 <flo> I have the utf8 fix checked-in locally
14:04:43 <flo> and I was very surprised when diffing both chat folders to noticed that https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742644 (the irc empty text) isn't in ib's repository
14:06:34 <flo> ok, after checking in that fix for ib too, the only differences remaining are the 2 things we need to take after updating to moz12
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14:07:35 <flo> clokep_work, aleth: do you have a feeling for what should go in comm-aurora, out of these 33 changesets?
14:09:35 <FeuerFliege> Twitter connected for 9min and it is happening again :(
14:11:43 <FeuerFliege> I disconnected the twitter account and a while my retweet appears in the IB twitter timeline. I have checked on twitter.com and it is not there yet. 
14:11:59 <FeuerFliege> Reconnecting … 
14:12:27 <FeuerFliege> and it is send (Retweet visible on twitter.com)
14:12:59 <clokep_work> flo: Let me look.
14:13:17 <flo> clokep_work: I'm looking at it in https://etherpad.mozilla.org/8GeCSyRRne
14:13:40 <flo> + means "I want this in aurora, it's visible in Tb and would be nice to fix" - means "requires string changes", = means "I don't mind either way"
14:14:12 <flo> clokep_work: https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/pushloghtml?startID=7719&endID=7720 is helpful to quickly look at what's in a changeset (the list is in the opposite order)
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14:17:26 <flo> the unread ruler doesn't require strings, but I'm tempted to - it
14:17:38 <aleth> Is it even used in TB?
14:17:44 <flo> I don't know!
14:17:53 <flo> isn't there a default message style applied for it?
14:18:07 <aleth> I have no idea what the TB conversation binding does
14:18:19 <flo> are there changes required to the conversation binding?
14:18:29 * flo wonders if he broke Tb with this landing :-S
14:18:42 <aleth> Sure, but only if you want to use it I think
14:19:10 <aleth> Otherwise you just have code that never runs.
14:19:12 <flo> ok, - then :)
14:19:29 <flo> I don't see the ruler but my conversaiton doesn't seem broken
14:20:01 <flo> Error: [Exception... "'TypeError: aSubject is null' when calling method: [nsIObserver::observe]"  nsresult: "0x8057001c (NS_ERROR_XPC_JS_THREW_JS_OBJECT)"  location: "JS frame :: resource:///modules/jsProtoHelper.jsm :: <TOP_LEVEL> :: line 443"  data: no] Source File: resource:///modules/jsProtoHelper.jsm Line: 443
14:20:03 <flo> what's that? :-S
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14:20:37 <flo> it seems when receiving 318 on IRC
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14:21:41 <aleth> Is this on IB? Never seen it before
14:21:54 <flo> Tb Trunk
14:23:23 <flo> what's "- Bio 1321 - Follow-up to 81717e6f64bd to fix some bustage when opening a private IRC conversation, r=fqueze." about?
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14:23:44 <aleth> Followup to 1321 I assume
14:23:48 <flo> ignore that, sorry
14:23:55 <flo> 1321 is -'ed
14:24:41 <flo> so what about bug 1305?
14:24:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1305 nor, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, /mode messages don't work on JS-IRC
14:24:52 <clokep_work> String changes.
14:25:00 <flo> the initial changeset has a + and the follow up with a string change a -
14:25:07 <flo> but is that string change really important?
14:26:26 <clokep_work> I think it's just the help text.
14:26:51 <flo> bug 1366 sucks, but it really requires strings, so -
14:26:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1366 maj, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Inform the user when attempting to send a message to an offline nick
14:29:59 <clokep_work> Yes.
14:30:00 <clokep_work> :(
14:30:21 <flo> so, if I =(-?) -> - and = -> + everything, is this ok? :)
14:30:29 <flo> and then I'm ready to create the attachment
14:34:39 <clokep_work> Sorry I don't follow.
14:37:01 <flo> clokep_work: replacing all the "=(-?)" in the etherpad with -, and all the "=" with +
14:38:12 <flo> (or not changing them in the etherpad, but handling these changesets as if these were - and +)
14:39:20 <clokep_work> flo: Makes sense to me. :)
14:40:10 <flo> so something is notifying update-conv-title with aSubject == null, and Tb doesn't like that
14:42:56 <flo> it's http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/components/im/content/imconv.xml#112 that doesn't like it
14:43:17 <aleth> I wonder how aSubject can be null, rather than EmptyEnumerator
14:43:36 <flo> aleth: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/irc.js#361
14:43:52 <aleth> Ah, right.
14:44:16 <flo> I guess that code path has just never been tested in Tb, and is now visible for all IRC private conversations
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14:44:41 <clokep_work> So I guess that shuld be EmptyEnumerator?
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14:45:04 <flo> I think it's just the Tb-UI code that's wrong
14:45:24 <flo> but I think if aSubject is non-null, it should be the conversation
14:45:39 <aleth> Does TB expect the new title as the aSubject?
14:45:42 <flo> but the UI would want the UI conversation rather than the prpl conversation...
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14:49:49 <Optimizer> is there any plugin to get pastebun support ?
14:49:57 <Optimizer> pastebin in instantbird
14:51:09 <clokep_work> Optimizer: What do you mean by "pastebin in instantbird"?
14:51:26 <clokep_work> (Posting to Pastebin? Automatically reading pastebin? Linking to pastebin?)
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14:51:31 <Optimizer> like have an integrated support of pastebin inside instantbird
14:51:35 <Optimizer> yes
14:51:39 <clokep_work> Which of those? :P
14:51:45 <Optimizer> all I guess
14:51:45 <clokep_work> Not that I know of, no.
14:51:49 <Optimizer> like mibbit web client has
14:52:07 <Optimizer> :(
14:52:22 <Optimizer> No standalone client can match the features of mibbit ?
14:53:12 <flo> idechix used to have an add-on to post to pastebin
14:53:30 <aleth> "Mibbit includes a basic pastebin service for those who need it. The pastebin area opens up over the chat pane, so make sure to copy any text before opening it up. It tries to do syntax highlighting, even with pastes that are not code. Results vary wildly with it. When done, it puts a link into the input bar textbox. Can be opened with the /pastebin command."
14:54:07 <clokep_work> Yes, it has it. I guess it just keeps you from opening pastebin yourself.
14:54:10 <clokep_work> Could be useful. ;)
14:56:54 <aleth> Would be a nice add-on.
14:58:16 <flo> I wanted to have that built-in at some point
14:58:21 <flo> never finished the code though :-/
14:59:16 <flo> (I wanted to link it to a simplified pastebin website hosted on an ib.com domain, in the hope that we could make something that wouldn't be confusing, even for users who aren't developers, and who have never heard of pastebin before)
15:01:22 <Optimizer> flo you have some addons for instantbird
15:01:25 <Optimizer> please make one
15:01:40 <Optimizer> to match the features of instantbird with mibbit
15:01:53 <Optimizer> 3 main features needed : 
15:02:13 <Optimizer> 1) When hover over a nick, highlight all lines that have that nick mentioned
15:02:24 <Optimizer> 2) Have integrated pastebin/gist support
15:03:14 <Optimizer> 3) I just wrote 3 features though I can't think of third
15:03:17 <Optimizer> :|
15:04:15 <aleth> If you use something like the Show Nick add-on, you might not need the hover-over-nick functionality
15:05:02 <clokep_work> It's still nice sometimes...
15:05:22 <Optimizer> show nick makes the nick look so bright that its hard to read
15:05:50 <Optimizer> still it does not highlight each line related to the nick (either entered by nick, or nick's name mentioned in that line)
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15:21:55 <instantbot> New Core - Twitter bug 1432 filed by bugi@media.fjmail.de.
15:21:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1432 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter account seems connected but no actions are sent
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16:04:53 <flo> aleth: why was bug 1321 -'ed? Is it because it seems risky?
16:04:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1321 min, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Display name is lower case for IRC DMs
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16:13:38 <flo> Error: [Exception... "'TypeError: aMessage.command is undefined' when calling method: [nsIStreamListener::onDataAvailable]"  nsresult: "0x8057001c (NS_ERROR_XPC_JS_THREW_JS_OBJECT)"  location: "native frame :: <unknown filename> :: <TOP_LEVEL> :: line 0"  data: no]
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16:15:41 <flo> the line immediately before in the error console is: Warning: :lindbohm.freenode.net MODE #test +v JohnB_
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16:30:20 <Optimizer> how hard it will be to highlight a line in instantbird ? I am willing to spend some time to develop some add-ons 
16:30:57 <Optimizer> flo: any idea ? 
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17:00:51 <aleth> flo: 1321 depends on the whois patch
17:02:16 <flo> Optimizer: what do you mean with "highlight a line"? Are you following that idea of highlighting all the messages from a nick? Or is it for something different?
17:03:07 <Optimizer> same
17:03:13 <Optimizer> but if I know how to highlight one line
17:03:15 <Optimizer> I an iterate
17:03:17 <Optimizer> can*
17:03:51 <flo> do you need a solution that works for all message themes?
17:04:03 <Optimizer> yes, a gecko level solution
17:04:04 <flo> or is creating a specific message theme with this feature an acceptable solution?
17:04:08 <Optimizer> or something like that
17:04:23 <Optimizer> is this feature applicable to a theme ?
17:04:36 <Optimizer> I mean a theme can have mouse hover scripts ? 
17:04:47 <flo> yeah, themes can have JS in them
17:05:15 <Optimizer> but why restrict it to theme 
17:05:25 <flo> the default (Bubbles) theme has a fair amount of JS to handle the variable space between bubbles, and the automatic collapsing of system messages
17:05:27 <Optimizer> if it can be made in general (if)
17:05:49 <flo> Optimizer: it seems you are asking "why spend an hour on something if it's possible to spend 100" ;)
17:06:25 <Mook_as> hmm, hover, set :root[hover-nick="nick"], and use that w/ css?
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17:06:49 <Optimizer> Mook_as: say what ? :O
17:07:29 <Mook_as> poorly expressed and inadequately thought-out solution to your highlight-lines-from-person-who-said-that-line request :)
17:07:53 <Optimizer> but the nick has to be dynamic
17:07:57 <Optimizer> so cant be a css
17:08:03 <Optimizer> also, nt only the line said by th eperson
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17:08:12 <flo> Mook_as: but you need to set and unset the hover-nick attribute value with JS even handlers, and you need each "line" (I would rather say an element containing all the other elements of the message) to have an attribute with the nick
17:08:13 <Optimizer> all the lines mentioning the person too
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17:08:45 <Mook_as> yeah; but having the attribute per-line will generally be useful anyway ;)
17:08:57 <Mook_as> (see the cz faces thing, that's... interesting ;) )
17:09:01 <flo> Mook_as: and it's why you need a custom theme: to ensure that attribute is present!
17:09:11 <Mook_as> I'm not saying you don't need a custom theme :)
17:09:21 <Mook_as> just how it might implement it :)
17:09:30 <Optimizer> how to style any individual line ?
17:09:38 <Optimizer> (starting from basics)
17:09:40 <Mook_as> you need _some_ sort of styling anyway, and that's gotta come from a theme
17:10:38 <Optimizer> while making any theme, say my theme has to make each line a gradient quantized shade of blue, starting from top
17:10:50 <Optimizer> so how will I style the first line
17:10:53 <flo> Optimizer: start by telling us which skills you already have
17:11:05 <flo> Optimizer: are you familiar with JS? CSS? Firefox add-ons?
17:11:10 <Optimizer> 4 restarless addons
17:11:11 <Optimizer> firefox
17:11:38 <Optimizer> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/user/5485329/
17:11:48 <Optimizer> feel free to review any of them :)
17:13:16 <flo> nice :)
17:13:26 <flo> have you played a bit with message themes?
17:13:33 <Optimizer> nopes
17:13:43 <Optimizer> but how hard they can be ;)
17:13:56 <flo> not even changing the one used from the preference dialog?
17:14:09 <Optimizer> where to submit the add-on for instantbird for review ?
17:14:17 <flo> http://addons.instantbird.org/
17:14:18 <Optimizer> that I have
17:14:40 <flo> or pastebin, if you would like some help / code review
17:15:33 <flo> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Message_Styles_reference maybe helpful too
17:15:53 <Optimizer> instantbird is related to mozilla somehow ? 
17:16:48 <flo> Optimizer: http://www.instantbird.com/faq.html#mozilla
17:17:10 <Optimizer> so now back to question: how to style any line by a certain background color 
17:17:32 <flo> add some CSS rules
17:17:44 <flo> I'm not sure of what you call a "line"
17:18:16 <Optimizer> this is a line
17:18:35 <Optimizer> this is a line entered by Optimizer mentioning flo
17:18:57 <flo> that doesn't help
17:19:09 <Optimizer> :|
17:19:10 <flo> is it a line of text on the screen? A message? The whole message bubble?
17:19:21 <Optimizer> the whole message bubble
17:19:33 <flo> so it can be several different messages
17:19:44 <Optimizer> okay so no
17:19:46 <Optimizer> the message only
17:20:02 <flo> note that all messages in a bubble are from the same person ;)
17:20:04 <Optimizer> the message if exceeds the width of screen, wraps to next line
17:20:19 <Optimizer> yes, but that depends on the theme, that if there is a bubble at all od not
17:20:21 <Optimizer> or*
17:20:38 <clokep_work> Sounds like bug 490 would help here. ;)
17:20:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use a Class for Each Buddy
17:21:06 <Optimizer> my feature request is beyond just the lines entered by a buddy
17:21:14 <Optimizer> it also includes line mentioning a buddy
17:21:26 <Optimizer> or a status update by a buddy
17:21:41 <Optimizer> If I look into a theme, I will get some help right ?
17:22:03 <Optimizer> into a theme source code 
17:25:05 <Optimizer> I am off for dinnner. I will surely get back on this feature in coming weeks as I want a standalone client that is as good as mibbit web client , only instantbird has the potential (with addons that is)
17:25:53 <flo> sounds like a great goal
17:26:01 <flo> we will definitely help you if you have *specific* questions
17:26:07 <Optimizer> is there dom inspector for instantbird ?
17:26:11 <flo> yes :)
17:26:14 <Optimizer> nice
17:26:39 <Optimizer> well then I am off
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17:30:15 <flo> bah, I'm midhairing myself :-/
17:32:37 * clokep_work wonders where midhair grows...
17:34:53 <flo> clokep_work: and typo'ing it seems ;)
17:38:01 <clokep_work> :)
17:38:09 <clokep_work> I would like the "highlight this person" or conversation type idea though.
17:38:21 <clokep_work> It does seem like it'd be part of the message style though. :(
17:39:53 <flo> at least it would be easier to experiment with it as part of a message style
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18:03:14 <aleth> Optimizer would have an easier first project with the pastebin add-on I think...
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21:26:59 <clokep> aleth: I don't have the requestBuddyInfo in setStatus because I only want to do it when we receive an away status.
21:29:35 <aleth> clokep: Yes, of course. I was thinking along the lines of |if (newstatus == Away and oldstatus != Away) requestBuddyInfo(); else if (status has changed) removeBuddyInfo(); else if (newstatus == Away and oldstatus == Away) setAwayMessage();|
21:30:04 <clokep> Hmmm...yes, I could do that.
21:30:17 <aleth> Something like that, not exactly of course, whatever fits best.
21:30:25 <clokep> Yeah, that makes sense.
21:30:49 <aleth> Otherwise you have race conditions and remove correct whois entries and so on...
21:34:02 * aleth wishes |...| wasn't so broken
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21:35:31 <clokep> flo: Yes, I know it is. :( There's a bug filed on it.
21:35:40 <clokep> oops, that was for aleth ^ :)
21:35:48 <clokep> Yeah.
21:35:56 <clokep> I'll look at the race condition...
21:36:41 <aleth> The race condition is simply that you call requestBuddyInfo and then setStatus calls removeBuddyInfo. Unlikely to cause a problem, but better avoided.
21:36:59 <clokep> Ah, I see.
21:38:22 <aleth> It seems cleaner to just have setStatus decide what it needs to do.
21:42:55 <clokep> Yeah, I originally thought that too. :)
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21:51:30 <aleth> wnayes' latest patch looks really good :)
21:52:01 <clokep> Yes, I looked over it and it seemed OK with me.
21:52:41 <clokep> aleth: So about throwing the warning for going over the nick limit...I was thinking it would make sense to throw the warning but /try/ to add them all anyway (in case the server is stupid and doesn't enforce it's own limit?)
21:52:56 <clokep> And add a TODO comment that we should not do that and add the other items to an ISON list?
21:53:05 <aleth> Haha, OK :)
21:53:13 <clokep> Does that sound reasonable/
21:53:21 <clokep> (Would you r+ that? ;))
21:54:15 <aleth> I'd r+ that, I just wanted to flag the issue. The only difference for the user is whether he gets more or less error messages in the console, as far as I can see. A comment seems like a good idea.
21:54:39 <clokep> Yes, I'm adding a bunch of comments in general...
21:54:58 * clokep finds patches he thinks will be "easy" always end up touching a lot more than he meant to.
21:55:18 <aleth> Yeah, absolutely.
21:55:28 * aleth remembers bug 1321
21:55:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1321 min, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Display name is lower case for IRC DMs
21:56:15 <clokep> :) It's nice to have some extra features over the libpurple stuff though. :-D
21:56:20 <aleth> Still, sometimes it works the other way and you find you have already added all the infrastructure you need ;)
21:56:41 <clokep> :) Yes, those one line patches are nice.
21:58:16 <aleth> The Watch/Monitor patch will really make IRC buddies work just like other buddies for the first time.
21:58:35 <aleth> Well, at least when the server has Watch...
21:59:11 * clokep causes a loop to occur. :-S
22:05:59 <clokep> I think I found it. :)
22:19:02 <clokep> flo: Twitter updated their Streaming API docs: https://dev.twitter.com/blog/working-with-twitter-streaming-apis
22:19:09 <clokep> So if we had any questions, might be good to look again now. :)
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22:44:32 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1473 on bug 1369.
22:44:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1369 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Support WATCH and MONITOR for IRC
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22:55:12 <aleth> clokep: For WATCH, if we are Away and then become Available, does the server always have to send both NOTAWAY and NOWON? 
22:56:40 <clokep> aleth: It only sends one.
22:56:56 <aleth> How does it pick which? :-/
22:57:03 <clokep> What?
22:57:11 <clokep> They mean totally different things.
22:57:22 <clokep> NOWON is sent when you first request to watch someone.
22:57:25 <clokep> If they're online.
22:57:34 <aleth> Ah. OK!
22:58:04 <aleth> Thanks, I missed that. 
22:58:33 <clokep> When you send WATCH it replies with RPL_NOWON, RPL_NOWOFF.
22:58:47 <clokep> or RPL_NOWISAWAY.
22:59:37 <clokep> When a user logs on / off after you're already watching them, you receive RPL_LOGON, or RPL_LOGOFF or RPL_GONEAWAY or RPL_NOTAWAY.
23:00:14 <aleth> Right.
23:00:24 <aleth> I never looked up NOWxx.
23:00:43 <clokep> Yeah it's like two different sets of signals.
23:00:50 <clokep> I find it kind of redundant personally. :)
23:01:01 <aleth> Yes :D
23:02:51 <aleth> This patch looks great, going to take it for a testdrive :)
23:04:23 <clokep> I ran with it for a bit on my test account, seems to work.
23:04:27 <clokep> Thanks for always being away btw. ;)
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23:04:43 <aleth> oh dear :-/
23:04:49 <clokep> ?
23:05:02 <clokep> Did it not work at all? :(
23:05:11 <aleth> No, I just forget to switch back to available quite often
23:05:28 <clokep> Ahhhh, you should use Status Reminder.
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23:05:45 <aleth> That's an idea.
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23:06:31 <clokep> Mic: Did join chat break at some point or is vertical tabs breaking it? :-S
23:07:12 <aleth> clokep: Shouldn't isEnabled simply be a getter/setter pair? Then one could get rid of the separate watchEnabled and monitorEnabled, or am I missing something?
23:07:42 <clokep> aleth: No, because it needs to be bound to the account.
23:07:57 <clokep> Because it can be enabled for some accounts and not others.
23:07:59 <aleth> Ah, right.
23:08:09 <clokep> I had that same thought. :)
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23:15:16 * aleth downloads fresh nightly
23:15:41 <aleth> sometimes the git history just gets too messed up...
23:22:52 <clokep> You create a git repo on an unpacked nightly?
23:22:54 <clokep> Is that how you do things?
23:22:59 <aleth> Yes, sadly.
23:23:30 <clokep> Why don't you have admin access on your own box? :-S
23:23:59 <DGMurdockIII> i found a bug but im not sure if it a problem with instintbird 
23:24:17 <DGMurdockIII> let me explain
23:24:17 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: You can either file a bug or ask here briefly if it's been seen before.
23:25:21 <DGMurdockIII> i will file the bug if you think you guys can fix it becouse i thnk it might be with google talk protocol 
23:25:57 <DGMurdockIII> but let me explain the problem 
23:26:00 <clokep> OK.
23:27:08 <DGMurdockIII> this happpens when i have a chat window with a goog talk user open for more 3 hours i talk to the guy usually while hes at work  
23:27:48 <DGMurdockIII> what happens is rarly it has happend when he lest me he going home like 1 minut later he usually logs off
23:28:07 <DGMurdockIII> but some cases it still show him online 
23:28:17 <DGMurdockIII> and if i send a im it reply back
23:28:51 <DGMurdockIII> like hes still online but just sening what i sent him i now this is a bug
23:29:00 <DGMurdockIII> do you understand 
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23:31:31 <DGMurdockIII> clokep:  do you understand what im trying to explain
23:31:38 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: No.
23:33:06 <DGMurdockIII> some time when users on gtalk log off it appers there are still online with the green online status and when you send them a message it just send the message back to you  
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23:34:55 <clokep> OK, That sounds like a bug please, file a bug. Are there errors in the error console?
23:36:36 <DGMurdockIII> yeah
23:36:53 <DGMurdockIII> Timestamp: 5/15/2012 7:27:40 PM
23:36:55 <DGMurdockIII> Error: Unhandled service 0x12
23:36:56 <DGMurdockIII> Source File: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/raw-file/1afad9aa06d0/purple/libpurple/protocols/yahoo/libymsg.c
23:36:58 <DGMurdockIII> Line: 3134
23:36:59 <DGMurdockIII> Source Code:
23:37:01 <DGMurdockIII> yahoo: yahoo_packet_process
23:37:02 <DGMurdockIII> those kind
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23:38:28 <clokep> Those are for yahoo.
23:38:37 <clokep> Please use pastebin when pasting long messages.
23:39:07 <DGMurdockIII> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/41895
23:39:15 <DGMurdockIII> what about that one
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23:41:19 <aleth> I managed to make IB crash properly just now... :(
23:41:24 <aleth> Can't reproduce though.
23:41:31 <aleth> clokep: Do I appear away to you?
23:42:06 <clokep> aleth: No.
23:42:22 <aleth> I think that's a bug then (not in your patch)
23:42:37 <aleth> I'll file it in a minute
23:43:28 <clokep> OK.
23:43:34 <clokep> With IRC or with something else?
23:45:33 <aleth> And another bug :(
23:45:35 <aleth> I'm not sure.
23:45:42 <aleth> This is annoying.
23:46:01 <clokep> :-/
23:46:15 <aleth> Try adding an IRC buddy with the same nick for two different IRC accounts.
23:47:05 <clokep> Yes, they got merged. :(
23:47:42 <clokep> It's an Instantbird thing though, not an IRC protocol thing  (I think).
23:48:13 <aleth> Even worse, I am now in a state where I have a buddy with the 'Contacts' tag and one with the 'Buddies' tag and either one or the other appears, but never both
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23:58:50 * clokep just built bonjour. :)