#instantbird log on 05 09 2012

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00:02:03 <clokep> Right.
00:02:38 <flo> what about "Not setting growth increment on blist.sqlite because the available disk space is limited." ?
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00:03:28 <clokep> That sounds reasonable.
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00:05:44 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1457 on bug 1429.
00:05:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429 cri, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Failure to start when there's less than 500MB of free disk space
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00:07:16 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1457 on bug 1429.
00:16:44 <flo> "knowing what the issue was :)" I just looked at the code (the C++ implementation of that method) ;).
00:17:06 <flo> what puzzles me is how it's possible that I didn't understand the problem  when the Tb bug was filed
00:17:54 <flo> but it was during the first days of receiving a lot of feedback about IM-in-Tb, so it's possible I was a little overwhelmed 
00:20:19 <clokep> Yes, I fear I was only half reading bugs at that time too. :-X
00:20:33 <clokep> EionRobb: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today/#m7
00:20:46 <clokep> Bah...that link won't work. :(
00:20:55 <EionRobb> why me? :)
00:20:57 <clokep> But http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/120508/#m7 will
00:21:15 <EionRobb> gotchya
00:21:24 <EionRobb> you also don't support the file transfer api ;)
00:21:34 <clokep> You and those file transfers! :P
00:22:04 <EionRobb> you and those "butcher the glib api!"s :P
00:22:13 <EionRobb> no wait, that's flo ;)
00:22:33 <EionRobb> so what don't you like about the request api?
00:23:18 <flo> EionRobb: it makes the back-end do (poor) UI decisions
00:23:22 <clokep> It's too general IMO, it doesn't let you make specific windows for specific situations (i.e. a catcha or bringing up a browser window)
00:23:45 <flo> EionRobb: and prevents the UI from making good decisions about how to show things
00:24:08 <flo> EionRobb: in almost 100% of the cases, throwing a modal dialog at the user is plain wrong.
00:24:36 <EionRobb> when is it modal?
00:24:51 <EionRobb> I thought it had callbacks attached to it?
00:24:51 <flo> isn't it the way Pidgin shows them?
00:25:35 <flo> but even if it's not modal, throwing a dialog in the middle of the screen is still wrong if the user hasn't requested that and doesn't want to interact with that specific part of the application right now
00:25:43 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1458 on bug 1213.
00:25:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1213 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter should always have a topic (based on your last sent tweet)
00:26:30 <EionRobb> but it's ok if a user clicks one of the protocol menu options, like 'search for users'?
00:27:01 <EionRobb> its just funny how you guys don't like implementing all the libpurple api :)
00:27:39 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/f3bf822cdbdb - Florian Quèze - Bug 1429 - Failure to start when there's less than 500MB of free disk space, r=clokep.
00:28:00 <clokep> EionRobb: We don't support searching for users either. ;)
00:28:14 <EionRobb> exactly, you must hate your users as much as pidgin hates theirs ;)
00:28:25 <clokep> :'(
00:28:46 <clokep> The one really awful dialog we have is for joining chats. :( And we know it sucks.
00:28:58 <flo> EionRobb: the libpurple API is "Pidgin without GTK". Implementing fully the libpurple API is recreating Pidgin. That's not the point of Instantbird.
00:29:42 <flo> EionRobb: Protocol don't have menu options. Again, a protocol plugin shouldn't make UI decisions. It shouldn't decide that something is listed as a "menu".
00:29:44 <clokep> EionRobb: Hey so your GSoC thing...is there a fuller description available of it?
00:30:36 <EionRobb> flo: how would you do extra, protocol-specific commands?
00:30:50 <EionRobb> clokep: other than the proposal itself?
00:30:51 <flo> EionRobb: as a command? :-P
00:31:04 <clokep> EionRobb: Was the proposal public?
00:31:13 <flo> EionRobb: I think the full proposal is only visible to pidgin mentors (I may be wrong though)
00:31:14 <EionRobb> should be public after the accepted date
00:31:26 <EionRobb> I'll fire you a link and you can tell me
00:31:33 <clokep> Sweet, thanks. :)
00:31:37 <flo> EionRobb: no, only the short summary of typically 5 lines or so is public after acceptance
00:31:56 <flo> (at least for the student we accepted for Instantbird, only that part is public I think)
00:33:09 <clokep> Hey flo are we supposed to be adding new files as MPL 2 now?
00:33:13 <EionRobb> http://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2012/snktagarwal/1
00:33:25 <flo> clokep: for Thunderbird (so chat/) yes.
00:34:16 <flo> for instantbird/ I will r- neither the old nor the new headers until we switch the whole code base to MPL 2
00:34:36 <flo> EionRobb: it seems public
00:34:45 <flo> EionRobb: thanks :)
00:34:48 <EionRobb> :)
00:35:41 <clokep> EionRobb: Not sure if it's been thought of...but I think it'd be really useful to include the localization of Pidgin in the stuff sent back to the server. :)
00:36:17 <clokep> Seems like an interesting proposal though. :)
00:38:19 <flo> + 1 to what clokep said. Being able to see how the other data varies per locale would be really interesting.
00:40:59 <flo> good night :)
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00:41:55 <EionRobb> I'll pass that on to the student :)
00:42:21 <EionRobb> would you do it based on what language they run pidgin or their country ip?
00:43:21 <clokep> Awesome. :) If you're curious about the context...it's bug 1391
00:43:24 <clokep> The locale.
00:43:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1391 enh, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, Suggest popular protocols during account creation
00:44:48 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1429 to FIXED.
00:44:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429 cri, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Failure to start when there's less than 500MB of free disk space
00:50:58 <instant-buildbot> build #251 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/251
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01:01:42 <EionRobb> so... you're localising the list of protocols to choose from?
01:03:46 <clokep> Only the initial list, you can (of course) get to all of them still.
01:04:01 <EionRobb> but you're basing it on language?
01:04:25 <clokep> Yes.
01:04:37 <EionRobb> interesting
01:04:56 <EionRobb> does instantbird have a stats gathering mechanism?
01:05:18 <clokep> It has the same stuff built into Firefox, but we don't have any of it enabled. :(
01:06:32 <clokep> So...no, we have no way of knowing what protocols people use.
01:07:04 <clokep> Would probably be a fairly easy (like 20 line extension) to just pop it off to a server as JSON somewhere. But that's a bit sketchy.
01:08:35 <EionRobb> the stats stuff that sanket is doing is for any libpurple client, not just pidgin... but that probably won't help you guys
01:08:56 <clokep> Because we won't support the API? :p
01:09:04 <EionRobb> you monsters!
01:10:37 <clokep> I mean for us to figure out what people are using...it'd literally be like.... http://pastebin.instantbird.com/39018
01:11:12 <EionRobb> :)
01:11:32 <EionRobb> would that show if someone was using the same protocol twice?
01:12:31 <clokep> Actually. That just shows what's installed. ;)
01:12:45 <clokep> But the code wouldn't be too terribly different, just need to iterate over the accounts...
01:13:02 <EionRobb> ah, I thought so, but I deferred to your better knowledge of IB than mine
01:13:16 <clokep> Yeah, sorry.
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01:22:24 <clokep> EionRobb: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/39026 would do it. :)
01:22:44 <clokep> Still pretty short. ;)
01:25:58 <EionRobb> :)
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01:47:49 <clokep> Goodnight!
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09:10:54 <Mic|web> Hello
09:20:45 <Mic|web> I wonder if logiclord is still interested in session restore.
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10:14:43 <flo> hello :)
10:14:58 <flo> Mic|web: I think he's still interested, but is busy with another summer of code project
10:17:02 <flo> aleth: I found again the CSS code to display the icons in menus on linux only when the system pref says they are wanted: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/toolkit/content/xul.css#368
10:17:22 <Mic|web> I couldn't remember if he said anything about it (or even if he was here) since he wasn't accepted for the account-wizard-project.
10:18:37 <flo> Mic|web: I think I exchanged private emails with him (and clokep was cc'ed), but I thought I gave a summary here. I may have forgotten though :-S.
10:19:22 <clokep> flo: I don't think we ever provided a summary, but I thought we did.
10:23:49 <Mic|web> flo: I'll add that to the bug if you haven't already.
10:25:31 <flo> Mic|web: not sure what "that" is, but feel free to add whatever seems relevant to any bug :)
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10:31:27 <flo> bug 1365 feels like wontfix or invalid to me, but I somehow agree that there's some inconsistency :-S
10:31:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1365 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Placeholder icon shown inconsistently for private conversations on IRC
10:36:40 <clokep> I agree, but I think there is something to actually fix.
10:38:35 * clokep goes to write an RFC about buddy icons for IRC, just to annoy flo's assertion in that bug. ;)
10:38:58 <flo> clokep: just use gravatar?
10:39:07 <flo> (I almost included a mention of it in my comment)
10:39:20 <clokep> Bah. :( I guess I don't need to write that RFC now...
10:39:25 <clokep> But yes that's what I had in my head.
10:41:44 <Mic|web> User icons for IRC ... does that mean something like 8x4 characters for ASCII art?:P
10:47:45 <EionRobb> or libravatar instead of gravatar
10:49:01 <Mic|web> bye
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10:52:08 <clokep> flo: Although I kind of dislike that various bits of our code depend on there being a buddy (which my understanding is you're only supposed to make if they are on the buddy list). See bug 613 also.
10:52:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Presence information for IRC private messages from people not on the buddy list
10:52:28 * clokep was looking at that bug last night.
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11:34:52 <flo> clokep: auto-adding to the buddy list (at least for protocols where we don't need to request authorization) may be a good idea once we improve a bit the tag handling
11:35:12 <flo> err, I meant auto-adding all people we have ever talked to
11:46:08 <flo> having a predefined list of irc servers in something looking like the group selector of the Add Buddy dialog (= you can either select from the list or type something yourself) but with some completion would be awesome (well, completion in that dialog would be good too I guess). And if the server the user has selected is known, setting the parameters automatically (port, ssl, ...) would be really great
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11:49:29 <clokep_work> flo: Yup, port, server, whether to use nickserv, etc. :)
11:49:43 <flo> oh yes, whether to kill nickserv's noise!
11:49:56 <clokep_work> But would definitely need to be able to tweak things manually.
11:50:04 <clokep_work> As well, if you wanted to. :)
11:50:15 <clokep_work> So you choose irc.mozilla.org, it prepopulates everything, but it's all editable still.
11:50:29 <flo> of course
11:50:37 <flo> but the advanced options aren't very visible anyway ;)
11:52:27 <clokep_work> Purposefully, perhaps? :P
11:56:01 <flo> :)
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11:58:49 <clokep_work> For those of you who hate the system tray as much as me: Microsoft Lync does NOT use the system tray by default, it just uses the Windows taskbar. :)
12:06:19 <aleth> flo: There is already some discussion on auto-adding buddies to the contact list in bug 613 (it seems to come up whenever that bug is mentioned), but it is not really part of that bug I think.
12:06:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Presence information for IRC private messages from people not on the buddy list
12:09:30 * clokep_work wonders what happens if he instantiates buddies with a tag of null.
12:10:09 <flo> clokep_work:  I think it will fallback to the "default" tag
12:10:09 <aleth> I dimly remember in some circumstances buddies could have negative id's, is that relevant?
12:10:23 <flo> aleth: no, they can't
12:11:02 <flo> aleth: contacts can. Negative contact ids mean dummy contact with only one buddy and no information stored in sqlite about it at all (no alias, only one tag)
12:11:54 <aleth> Right, that's what I was thinking of. Wouldn't that be close to what clokep is looking for?
12:12:21 <aleth> Oh, sorry, I get it now.
12:12:25 <aleth> Scratch that ;)
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12:15:19 * clokep_work :shrugs:
12:15:23 <clokep_work> Other bugs I can look at. ;)
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12:16:06 <clokep_work> So I finally played around with Mercurial Queues a bit...and the syntax is kind of stupid. But they're useful. :)
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12:53:50 <clokep_work> Were you interested in adding Bonjour Mic or just wanting to provide some background? :)
12:55:38 <flo> or cleaning up old bugs? :)
12:56:33 <flo> fwiw, I'm somehow interested in using Bonjour, so I may be quite willing to work on the reviews and help a bit to move things forward, but I don't see myself really working on it now (too many other things going on at once)
12:57:42 <clokep_work> I have a feeling it wouldn't be too awful on Mac / *nix, the Windows bit of it scares me. ;) (Although I wouldn't be opposed to accepted it and only supporting it for some OSes.)
12:58:42 <flo> for Windows/Linux, you need to convince Even to install the build time dependencies on the build slaves ;)
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12:59:35 <flo> clokep_work: also, Bonjour is an XMPP derivative, so shouldn't we work on supporting that on top of JS-XMPP, rather than libpurple xmpp? ;)
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13:00:28 <clokep_work> flo: Probably, although my understanding of it is that the difficult part is the Zeroconf-ness of it...
13:00:37 <flo> sure
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13:20:42 <flo> clokep_work: do you think nowish would be a good time to synch comm-central's chat/ with ib's?
13:21:03 <clokep_work> flo: Probably. Do you know when we "branched" the two?
13:21:11 * clokep_work keeps meaning to file a bug about that...
13:21:40 <flo> we never really branched, as we apply the comm-central changes (or at least most of them) immediately
13:22:09 <clokep_work> I think you know what I was really asking anyway. ;)
13:23:05 <clokep_work> I'm looking for the last revision in Instantbird before it was copied to c-c.
13:23:20 <flo> the 2 changes I'm really annoyed of not having in comm-central are bug 1354 (it's hiding some brokenness in Tb-specific code that I would like to fix sooner rather than later) and the startup failure we fixed yesterday (because that bug really sucks)
13:23:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1354 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, JS-protocols should close their conversations and remove their buddies when they are removed
13:24:00 <flo> clokep_work: oh, then it was current at the time bug 714733 landed
13:24:15 <flo> but I tend to diff -ru the 2 folders and see which changes there are :)
13:25:19 <clokep_work> Ah, I see. Well I figured we'd want an actual list of the bugs somewhere too, not just the raw diff.
13:25:43 <flo> we can likely get hg to output that list :-
13:25:43 <flo> )
13:26:48 <flo> clokep_work: is this likely as the last common changeset https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/d0d7c6f75312 ?
13:27:31 <flo> it's the one hg parent shows in the clone of the ib repo I used to do the merge and tb-specific changes
13:30:12 <flo> it seems we haven't taken this ugly change: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/39294
13:30:21 <clokep_work> flo: I think so.
13:31:20 <clokep_work> I didn't realize hackery like that occurred. :(
13:31:25 <flo> I put the ifdefs there at the time so that we could easily take it
13:34:25 <clokep_work> Yeah, it's just unfortunate.
13:35:25 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/39295
13:35:31 <flo> I hadn't noticed we made that much changes
13:36:33 <clokep_work> Do we need to bump guids if we're changing idls in Tb?
13:36:56 <flo> I think we can get away without doing it
13:37:54 <clokep_work> K.
13:38:05 <clokep_work> File a bug and put a diff up in it? ;)
13:38:19 <flo> last time I proposed a patch changing a chat/ idl bienvenu r+'d it without complaining, mconley added a comment about the uuid, and then we discussed it and the outcome was mostly that in most cases thinking about whether the uuid needs to change is most work then just doing it, so the policy is to do it all the time, but my reason for argument for why we needed need it was strong enough to be accepted ;)
13:39:05 <flo> clokep_work: I'm wondering if comm-central wants a changeset for each change or not
13:39:12 <clokep_work> :) My argument was going to be "it's not in released code!"
13:39:33 <clokep_work> flo: I had been wondering that too. :-S (It kind of makes sense, also it keeps patch authors?)
13:39:48 <flo> yes, and keeps a blame that somehow makes sense
13:39:49 <clokep_work> Which is a nice thing for our contributors.
13:40:10 <clokep_work> Does that mean a patch for each also then? :-S
13:41:06 <flo> the diff is http://pastebin.instantbird.com/39296
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13:43:26 <clokep_work> flo: Line 100, we committed an extra ; at some point? :-S
13:43:26 <flo> I wonder what justifies the first changes in convbrowser.xml
13:43:34 <flo> heh :)
13:43:34 <deOmega1> good day.  reply to nick.. is it possible to disable that  for twitter replies?
13:43:46 <flo> deOmega1: hello :)
13:43:55 <flo> deOmega1: may we know how it is getting in your way? :)
13:44:39 <flo> clokep_work: or maybe someone fixed it in Tb without us noticing?
13:45:06 <deOmega1> ah, when you click on someone's name to reply to them
13:45:24 <deOmega1> with reply to nick  turned on,  it  eters their name twice
13:45:31 <flo> clokep_work: http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/076c3f2bbb9b
13:45:45 <deOmega1> so i would see,  flo:$flo.  abc
13:45:59 <deOmega1> flo:@flo
13:46:42 <flo> deOmega1: ah, you still have the reply-to-nick add-on enabled?
13:46:55 <flo> It's obsolete, its feature is included by default in current Instantbird nightlies
13:46:56 <deOmega1> yes
13:47:07 <deOmega1> well, i just turned it off, because of that issue
13:47:34 <flo> and works a bit better in the built-in version (it uses @username instead of username: for twitter replies, and it does nice comma separated list of nicks on IRC)
13:48:22 <deOmega1> flo: oh ok
13:48:29 <deOmega1> that works well
13:48:37 <deOmega1> that resolved it
13:48:53 <deOmega1> thank you
13:49:14 <flo> :)
13:49:27 <flo> clokep_work: it seems we need to port to Instantbird some of these changes
13:50:18 <deOmega1> flo: awesome!  thanks. have agreat day guys
13:51:07 <clokep_work> flo: "Port" or just commit?
13:51:28 <flo> the file imgroup.xml is more or less our instantbird/content/group.xml
13:52:03 <clokep_work> Ah...sorry I thought you meant in the diff, you mean from Bug 747800
13:52:14 <clokep_work> I'll file a bug so we don't forget?
13:52:51 <flo> I was about to do it right now
13:52:59 <clokep_work> OK, well that works too. :)
13:53:01 <flo> (just checking it in)
13:53:18 <flo> and reminding people that I would like to be cc'ed to that kind of bugs ;)
13:53:33 <clokep_work> Yup! :)
13:55:08 <flo> maybe I should write a script that emails me when there's a change made to chat/ and I'm likely not aware of it (neither the reported, nor assignee, nor cc'ed to the bug)
13:55:15 <flo> *reporter
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13:55:41 <flo> but being notified when it's already checked into comm-central is a bit late
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13:56:06 <clokep_work> I've actually wondered that too (if there was an RSS feed or something for that).
13:56:38 <clokep_work> I wonder if we can teach instantbot to announce for comm-central too, but only when commits affect chat/ or mail/im (or whatever that path is)?
13:57:09 <flo> mail/components/im
13:58:08 <flo> I wonder if this change is actually correct http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/076c3f2bbb9b#l11.1
13:59:47 <clokep_work> flo: It does not seem to be.
14:00:01 <clokep_work> (At least when looking at the Instantbird group.xml.)
14:05:06 <Mic|web> clokep_work: I edited the german Wikipedia to update the list of supported protocols for Instantbird. That's were I saw Bonjour and had a look at the bug.
14:05:43 <clokep_work> Ah, I see. :)
14:06:03 <flo> after looking more closely, it doesn't seem the return null; would hurt
14:07:11 <flo> wait, for instantbird we don't even have the return value at the end of the method :)
14:07:16 <flo> ok, we don't need to take that fix at all
14:08:09 <Mic|web> What are youdoing at the moment? Trying to take all patches to Thunderbird's chat folder that we don't have yet?
14:08:39 <flo> Mic|web: checking how they have diverged to decide what's the next actionable step to merge them
14:09:52 <Mic|web> Merge = we'll start pulling the code from Tb's repository (and apply some additional patches if needed?)?
14:10:07 <clokep_work> No.
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14:10:18 <clokep_work> We need to apply the changes that were made in instantbird to c-c.
14:14:21 <flo> I wonder if someone needs to r+ http://pastebin.instantbird.com/39294 before I check it in for Instantbird
14:14:52 <clokep_work> flo: r=me is fine
14:16:11 <flo> ok, thanks
14:16:17 <flo> now I just need to find a commit message that makes some sense :)
14:18:13 <flo> I think "Adapt imTextboxUtils.jsm (with ifdefs) to use the Thunderbird specific spellchecker preference when built for Thunderbird, r=clokep." will do
14:18:25 <Mic|web> "getValue" looks like it has a wrong indentation in this pastebin btw.
14:19:35 <flo> indeed, http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/modules/imTextboxUtils.jsm#160 :(
14:20:00 <flo> and if I fix it for Ib I'll need to fix it in Tb too
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14:20:35 <clokep_work> Yes, but if we're going to import a bunch of stuff, now is the time to do it. ;)
14:20:35 <Mic|web> Pretend I never said that?
14:23:13 <flo> clokep_work: well, it doesn't really hurt to miss a space there, I think I would prefer fixing it the next time we fix a real issue in that code
14:23:24 <clokep_work> OK. :)
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14:39:04 * Mic|web is confused by bug 1076.
14:39:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1076 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Messages randomly getting lost in the background
14:40:23 * flo is confused by https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740793
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14:42:05 <clokep_work> flo: I think we decided he's trying to overlay the theme files that come w/ Thunderbird or something?
14:42:26 <flo> yes, but why isn't that possible?
14:43:45 <clokep_work> I think he wants to replace Footer.html, but then is saying the JS will get lost.
14:43:50 <clokep_work> I don't really see what his point is though.
14:44:49 <Mic|web> The desciption is way to vague. Has he tried and failed or is he complaining that there's JS that shouldn't be there in principle or is he complaining that JS in a skin file and that doesn't work in theory.. ?
14:45:22 <flo> and I've just found https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750465 that I don't understand
14:45:55 <flo> why was there a public security review bug filed after the private one where issues have been discussed was resolved as fixed? :-S
14:46:52 <flo> I guess I'll just add myself to the cc list and see what happens
14:48:13 <clokep_work> What is the Twitter security review one about btw?
14:48:44 <flo> checking that we haven't messed up the OAuth implementation in a way that would make our hashes easier to spoof I think.
14:49:12 <flo> I don't think there's anything to worry about there, but let's let people who are experts at security do their job :)
14:49:51 * clokep_work was just curious.
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15:06:03 <clokep_work> So are we thinking separate check-ins for each commit then? We should be able to export the revisions |hg export -rev [...] chat/|
15:06:12 <clokep_work> And then apply them in order.
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15:30:47 <flo> clokep_work: I hope so. We will need to change all the commit messages though, as bug <some bug number in BIO> won't do
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15:31:47 <clokep_work> True.
15:34:42 <clokep_work> I'm willing to look at it if you'd like, but if you want things fixed ASAP (those two bugs you mentioned) then you'd have better luck doing it today I think. :)
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15:35:52 <flo> I will take care of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742644 first
15:36:18 <flo> I got bwinton's ui-r for reverting that change over Vidyo :)
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15:37:56 <clokep_work> Cool! :) Is that code in chat?
15:38:07 <flo> yes, I'll ask you to r+ soon
15:38:07 <clokep_work> (If so, I'll be here for another ten minutes or after 1 for review.)
15:38:17 <flo> "after 1"?
15:38:55 <clokep_work> I'll be back in an hour and 20 minutes. ;)
15:39:01 * clokep_work hates timezones...
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15:44:26 <flo> clokep_work: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=622381&action=edit
15:44:30 <flo> I haven't actually tested it yet
15:47:27 <flo> (I don't think I really need a fast review though, I'm probably not going to do another comm-central check-in today)
15:47:33 <clokep_work> flo: Looks fine, but I'm off to my meeting.
15:48:02 <flo> have a nice meeting then :)
15:48:10 <clokep_work> Free pizza!
15:48:42 <flo> is that an indication of a nice meeting, or that it's likely to last too long or to steal you your lunch pause?
15:50:59 <flo> "it also refers to GTalk? Poor review last time I guess." yeah... although I suspect we were all pressured at the time to land quickly before the Tb13 string freeze
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16:51:12 <Mic|web> bye
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17:07:42 <clokep_work> flo: It refers to it being more casual...and then I didn't have to make myself lunch today. ;)
17:08:05 <flo> :)
17:09:44 <flo> clokep_work: have you seen http://mikeconley.ca/blog/2012/05/07/a-slight-redirection/?
17:10:12 <clokep_work> flo: Yes. :)
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17:15:38 <clokep_work> Didn't want to gloat over it too much. ;)
17:18:38 <flo> I don't read pmo very frequently these days, so I may miss some posts
17:20:22 <clokep_work> Ah, I see.
17:20:41 <clokep_work> I have some heavy duty filters on mine, but I like Mike's blog so Thunderbird marks it as "important" for me. :)
17:20:56 <clokep_work> I mark pretty much 50% of it as read without even viewing the titles though.
17:21:19 <flo> maybe I should try to use an RSS reader again
17:21:37 <clokep_work> I find Thunderbird works fairly well. :)
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18:04:14 <FeuerFli1> hi
18:07:26 <FeuerFli1> is Instantbir^WChat available in Earlybird, too?
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18:11:04 <clokep_work> FeuerFli1: What?
18:13:59 <FeuerFli1> Does Earlybird have the Instantbird-Chat-Feature or is it still only in the Thunderbird nightlies?
18:14:02 <Mook_as> I think that's the nightlies for tbird
18:14:12 <FeuerFli1> aurora-channel
18:14:19 <Mook_as> or maybe aurora-equivalent. ah, right, there you go :)
18:17:47 <clokep_work> It's in aurora if not beta.
18:17:55 <clokep_work> (It's disabled in beta, if it's in it.)
18:18:41 <clokep_work> comm-beta on MXR has the chat/ folder, so...
18:19:47 <FeuerFli1> clokep_work: thx, i stopped using TB nightlies since it messed up my IMAP-accounts several weeks ago.
18:20:17 <clokep_work> Oh? Weird. I haven't had issues.
18:20:27 <clokep_work> Well...not in a few years. ;)
18:21:13 <clokep_work> But yeah, if you're on aurora you should have access to it.
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18:42:41 <Curlificated> Hi, I'm trying to setup IRC on Earlybird on Mac but I can't get the chat window to appear?
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18:49:58 <clokep_work> Curlificated: You'll probably want to ask in #maildev...but, did you create an account? It connect properly?
18:51:05 <Curlificated> I've created the account, can't tell if it's connected though
18:51:13 <Curlificated> It's working fine in ubuntu & windows
18:51:48 <clokep_work> Does the account manager say it's connected? :)
18:52:27 <Curlificated> How do I open it without getting the chat tab up?
18:53:05 <Curlificated> Ahh got it... yeah it's connected
18:53:55 <Curlificated> Atleast it's saying it use, though I'm using the same nick on another computer
18:53:56 <clokep_work> OK, I don't think the chat tab appears without you joining any chats, have you joined any?
18:54:05 <clokep_work> They can't both be connected w/ the same nick. :(
18:54:12 <Curlificated> Aye I know
18:54:50 <clokep_work> Do you see anything crazy going on in the error console?
18:54:55 <clokep_work> (Tools > Error console)
18:56:36 <Curlificated> A bunch of errors from imImconingServer.js
18:56:44 <Curlificated> Why can't I copy from that window? >.>
18:57:36 <clokep_work> Right click > Copy
18:58:00 <Curlificated> Wow I'm being a bit slow >.>
18:58:02 <Curlificated> Timestamp: 09/05/2012 17:36:14
18:58:02 <Curlificated> Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED) [nsIPrefBranch.getCharPref]"  nsresult: "0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED)"  location: "JS frame :: resource:///components/imIncomingServer.js :: <TOP_LEVEL> :: line 175"  data: no]
18:58:02 <Curlificated> Source File: resource:///components/imIncomingServer.js
18:58:03 <Curlificated> Line: 175
18:58:41 <clokep_work> Please use things like pastebin for multiple stuff: http://pastebin.instantbird.org works.
18:58:57 <Curlificated> Sure sorry
18:59:57 <clokep_work> Looks to me that the account wasn't created properly or something...but I'm not familiar with how our code integrates into Thunderbird. :( You'd need to ask flo once he's back.
19:00:09 <clokep_work> (Or it's possible someone in #maildev would know, but I kind of doubt it.)
19:00:50 <Curlificated> Mmm I tried creating it again with different usernames etc but it's still not working
19:00:55 <Curlificated> Thanks anyways
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19:08:43 <clokep_work> Your welcome. If you chill out in here I think flo will be back eventually and will read the scrollback. :)
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20:17:36 <FeuerFli1> meh, i don‘t get twitter working in earlybird
20:17:48 <FeuerFli1> facebook works fine
20:18:33 <FeuerFli1> i ment “m e h” as an expression not username :-$
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20:20:18 <clokep_work> Are there errors?
20:21:46 <FeuerFliege> Zeitstempel: 09.05.2012 22:21:07
20:21:46 <FeuerFliege> Fehler: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIFile.create]"  nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame :: resource:///components/logger.js :: createIfNotExists :: line 68"  data: no]
20:21:47 <FeuerFliege> Quelldatei: resource:///components/logger.js
20:21:48 <FeuerFliege> Zeile: 68
20:21:58 <FeuerFliege> but i dont think that’s related.
20:22:16 <clokep_work> Please use somethign like pastebin when pasting long statements.
20:22:23 <clokep_work> No that doesn't sound related.
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20:24:12 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work: was longer than it looked 
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20:26:21 <Mic> FeuerFliege: is there a message in the account manager?
20:27:23 <Mic> When I set up a Twitter account I found it super-easy to confuse things with the authentification dialog iirc :(
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20:35:53 <go8765>  is anyway to miss in|out members in instanbird?
20:36:06 <go8765> *  mean - dont show it
20:36:43 <FeuerFliege> Mic: the dialog doesn’t open at all
20:37:47 <Mic> FeuerFliege: hmm, sorry, I think I can't help then :(
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20:38:49 <Mic> go8765: Hello, what do you mean with in/out members?
20:38:50 <FireFly|Earlybird> man, Earlybird needs the bubble theme ^^
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20:39:02 <Mic> People joining or leaving a conversation?
20:39:14 <FireFly|Earlybird> Mic: I think he wants to mute the server messages
20:39:19 <go8765> Mic - this: 23:38:29 - BYK1 [Instantbir@50487813.178CAC59.A9DB0981.IP] вошёл в комнату.
20:39:28 <go8765> yes
20:39:30 <Mic> FireFly|Earlybird: I think it had it initially until someone decided that they need a different them
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20:40:10 <Mic> go8765: no, it's not possible (yet?). I'm quite sure we have a request for hiding them in our bugtracker.
20:40:13 <Mic> Let me find it.
20:40:59 <go8765> ok. thanks for answer
20:41:54 <go8765> and i have some pb with history browsind. when i try to open it from context menu when cklick on tub - it dont open
20:42:01 <Mic> Bug 440, if you have an account in our Bugzilla, you can add yourself to be notified of things happening there (well... what they currently don't do;)
20:42:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, MUC option: Hide events
20:42:04 <go8765> s anyway to see history?
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20:42:52 <go8765> Mic: ok. thanks
20:43:57 <Mic> Is the "Show Logs" item in the menu disabled (grey) or enabled (black) ? (grey/black are the default colors on Windows at least, might vary depending on your theme settings)
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20:47:08 <FeuerFliege> Mic: I found  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735688 which covers my problem. But restarting doesn’t help.
20:48:02 <go8765> Mic http://storage8.static.itmages.com/i/12/0510/h_1336596470_4867339_5178e5ac55.png
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20:49:11 <Mic> Looks like the other menu items to me, might be enabled?
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20:49:19 <flo> does it really make sense for someone who I don't know at all to start an email to me with "how are you, hope you are fine. i am fine too."?
20:49:36 <flo> when I read that first line, I almost clicked the "report spam" button
20:49:57 <flo> but the next paragraph actually asks a (stupid) question about a Firefox add-on of which I'm the author
20:50:00 <Mook_as> only if English isn't one of the languages they're proficient in, I think
20:50:20 <flo> Mook_as: he's from Germany apparently
20:50:42 <Mic> go8765: can you go to the error console and see if there's errors reported?
20:51:06 <go8765> Mic: where i could find it?
20:51:27 <go8765> or you mean - run instandbrd from commang n console?
20:51:27 <Mic> Contact list -> Tools menu -> Error console
20:51:30 <Mic> You can use http://pastebin.instantbird.com/ to copy them there or take a screenshot of it
20:51:52 <Mic> (if anything is in there)
20:53:08 <go8765> http://storage2.static.itmages.com/i/12/0510/h_1336596774_8205179_f3364c32ba.png
20:54:24 <Mic> Which version of Instantbird are you using by the way?
20:55:39 <flo> bah, asking for hiding the join/part messages after switching to the "Simple" theme :(
20:56:04 <go8765> http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/12/0510/h_1336596954_7456854_b90bd15dc5.png
20:56:12 <flo> FireFly|Earlybird: what about using Instantbird if you really want the Bubbles theme? ;)
20:56:42 <go8765> Mic: stable
20:56:46 <go8765> 1.1
20:57:02 <go8765> версия 1.1 (20111014141115)
20:57:03 <FireFly|Earlybird> flo: I do use both
20:58:42 <flo> FireFly|Earlybird: as someone said before, it used to have the Bubbles theme, until it was decided that it didn't "look like Thunderbird" and was "too colorful"
21:00:17 <flo> Mook_as: by the way, the real question in the email is "i use your addon for firefox quite often. i like it very much, i wonder as you are developing addons for firefox, can you simply develop the same for chrome as it is missing as a addon for this browser, that would be very cool, if not this would be very sad for me and propably for other chrome users because this nice tool is still missing."
21:00:33 <Mook_as> haha
21:01:02 * Mook_as still gets AMO reviews for an addon that hasn't worked since... Gecko 1.8.x?
21:01:23 <flo> :)
21:01:33 <Mook_as> (mostly people wanting it to work)
21:01:39 <flo> I created that add-on in 2004
21:02:04 <aleth> go8765: is it possible you are trying to view logs created with Instantbird 1.2 with Instantbird 1.1?
21:02:25 <flo> aleth: that seems likely. Does that cause some brokenness, or are they just not listed?
21:02:32 <FeuerFliege> Mook_as: “Good news! Our automated tests did not detect any compatibility issues …”
21:02:44 <FeuerFliege> Mook_as: I get those, too.
21:03:05 <flo> FeuerFliege: if only they could stop sending that for each add-on, but instead send one email with the list of all the add-ons that passed their tests...
21:03:07 <Mook_as> FeuerFliege: no, this one has binary components, so it's never auto-bumped (and can't build these days anyway). it's actual user reviews.
21:03:38 <go8765> aleth: so it i ttry this with 1.2 all be work?
21:03:44 <Mook_as> (it's the tray stuff; dunno why they haven't moved to one of the actually-working equivalents...)
21:04:12 <flo> Mook_as: is there a clear indication in the description of what the currently working equivalents are?
21:04:15 <aleth> go8765: I don't know, but try it ;)
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21:04:34 <Mic> :/
21:04:34 <Mook_as> flo: that would require me to know what my AMO login is ;)
21:05:02 <aleth> flo: It seems to throw an error when parsing the filename (see the last line in his screenshot)
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21:05:37 <flo> Mook_as: ah, yes, that's difficult
21:05:56 <flo> Mook_as: and may become even more difficult once they use browserid for it
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21:06:38 <Mook_as> yeah, I'm thinking of getting a browserid account once a _non-browserid.org_ server supports it
21:06:54 <Mook_as> last I checked, the this-is-how-you-implement-a-server docs are impossible to sue
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21:06:57 <Mook_as> s/sue/use/
21:07:14 <flo> Mic: what are all these error messages from buddystatus, by the way? :)
21:07:15 <Mook_as> (it may have gotten better since, I haven't looked)
21:07:34 <go8765> with b eta - it work . thanks. now i can see logs)
21:07:45 <aleth> good :)
21:07:46 <Mic> go8765: great!
21:08:24 <flo> Mook_as: I've never managed to log into MDC since it uses browserid, so I don't feel guilty any more about not fixing the mistakes I notice in the documentation :-P
21:08:55 <Mook_as> hah, I just never bothered trying to get an account, and thus also never tried to fix docs :p
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21:09:25 <go8765> and yesterday bug fix) very fast :)
21:09:58 <flo> Mook_as: I tried 2 or 3 times, then gave up.
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21:10:55 <flo> I think I actually successfully got an account the third time. Just never found how I was supposed to use it to actually login
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21:11:38 <flo> I'm not sure I understand what that technology actually simplifies
21:11:38 <go8765> clokep: thks for quik patch. now beta version run good :)
21:12:06 <Mook_as> I wonder if they have stats on contributions before/after the switch
21:12:52 <flo> Mook_as: well, you know, their wiki technology is awesome too ;)
21:13:24 <clokep> go8765: I think you have to thank flo for that. :)
21:13:28 <aleth> openid has not worked properly for me recently too, so hey...
21:13:46 <Mic> Is that the moment to post an image labelled with "BrowserID is great - y u no see advantage"?
21:14:27 <flo> Mic: well, the obvious advantage is no longer feeling guilty for not fixing docs ;)
21:14:31 <Mook_as> nothing relevant seems to show up in http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/
21:14:35 <go8765> mb. okay. thanks
21:15:11 <flo> Mook_as: it may not be politically correct to make fun of the current awesome projects
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21:16:37 <aleth> they haven't called a project Mozilla Awesome yet
21:17:33 <aleth> maybe when b2g gets renamed...
21:19:06 <flo> aleth: I think "Awesome" has been renamed to "Splendid" because there was "too much awesome"
21:19:06 * clokep wonders what landed to make his Firefox run like it's in molasses.
21:19:27 <FeuerFliege> flo: there is never too much awesome
21:20:18 <FeuerFliege> “true story” – Barney Stinson
21:21:10 <aleth> flo: :)
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21:21:54 <FeuerFliege> twitter doesn’t like me in TB
21:22:02 <clokep> flo: Did you see the messages from Curlificate d earlier?
21:22:40 <flo> clokep: yes, but I don't remember what it was about :)
21:22:57 <clokep> About accounts not connecting / being unable to get the chat tab on Tb.
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21:23:15 <flo> ah, yes, it was about saying "it's still not working" without explaining what "it" was.
21:24:28 <flo> the JS error (s)he pasted is harmless iirc.
21:24:56 <clokep> Yuo
21:25:02 <FeuerFliege> It worked for Curlificated with Win and Linux but not Mac, IIRC the Chat Button doesn’t work and 
21:25:57 <FireFly_Earlybird> Mic: Yepp, the Pipe is bad in usernames.
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21:33:47 <Mic> Good night
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21:42:52 <aleth> flo: clokep has a checkin-ready IRC /mode patch afaik
21:44:01 <aleth> Oh, I see, you had asked for some changes.
21:44:11 <aleth> Never mind.
21:44:45 <clokep> aleth: Uhhh where?
21:44:50 <clokep> I'm pretty sure that patch is up to date.
21:45:02 <aleth> Yes, but it's waiting for flo's review
21:45:10 <aleth> I thought it was all r+ and ready ;)
21:45:32 <clokep> Ah, OK.
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21:56:48 * clokep is probably half way done w/ support WATCH for IRC! :)
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21:57:42 <flo> people ranting in old bugs about switching to chrome are just so annoying :(
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21:58:19 <Mook_as> especially the one about focus and npapi, where the problem is npapi...
21:58:19 <clokep> flo: Do you follow that bug about flash stealing focus?
21:58:33 <flo> clokep: no :)
21:58:39 <clokep> Mook apparently does. ;)
21:59:09 <flo> I'm just annoyed by the last 3 comments in bug 235853
22:00:01 <flo> not even sure why I still follow that bug, as I haven't needed a proxy autoconfiguration file since I've left college :-S
22:01:27 <clokep> Probably because there's some assumption that when bugs are fixed they become dead. ;)
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22:08:53 <flo> and they just added 2 more pointless comments :(
22:09:56 <flo> and another comment from someone telling them politely to stfup. Will they reply? :)
22:10:56 <clokep> They always do.
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22:16:17 <FeuerFliege> bye
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22:38:59 <flo> clokep: he did!
22:39:40 <flo> "This is my last comment, [blahblahblah] I did not intend to [spam] - I just wanted to kind of "resurrect" the spirit that once brought so many users from IE to the great and lovely fox."
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22:40:24 <clokep> Nice flo. :)
22:41:05 <EionRobb> you sure told him ;)
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23:12:21 <flo> Good night
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