#instantbird log on 05 06 2012

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03:00:55 <instant-buildbot> build #487 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/487
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04:52:25 <instant-buildbot> build #581 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/581
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06:02:49 <instant-buildbot> build #474 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/474
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06:06:52 <clokep> aleth: Usually when we  want to call something like that we do "<object that is the prototype>.<method name>" instead of using the __proto__ form.
06:07:01 <clokep> In case someone  changes the proto on us. :)
06:17:21 <Kaishi> watching Gaulzi
06:17:23 <Kaishi> on twitchtv
06:17:29 <Kaishi> he's kicking ass, as usual
06:17:39 <Kaishi> and dicking around wiht my tablet
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06:17:50 <Kaishi> oops
06:17:53 <Kaishi> hah!
06:18:08 <Kaishi> I take it all back! (wrong room!)
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08:32:06 <flo> hello :)
08:32:25 <flo> clokep: I tend to hesitate too sometimes between feedback+ and feedback-
08:33:30 <flo> I think the meaning of "feedback?" is "is the approach I'm taking for this patch worth following, or should I start over with another approach / let someone else do it if the other approach isn't within my reach?"
08:34:20 <flo> so feedback should probably be +'ed except when we mean "stop wasting time on this, it won't fly anyway"
08:34:50 <flo> but I find it hard to "+" a patch when I add a comment listing several reasons why it isn't acceptable as is, so I tend to just remove the flag after I've commented in the bug
08:41:35 <flo> here is a screenshot with wnayes' latest patch: http://i.imgur.com/YUfOz.png
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09:11:56 <Mic> Good morning
09:12:12 <flo> the patch looks quite good, so I guess it will be time to start writing detailed review comments with all the coding style nits
09:12:14 <flo> Mic: hello :)
09:14:11 <flo> I tend to no longer be interested in reading all the bugmail about IRC bugs these days. aleth and clokep seem to be doing a great job of discussing all the technical details of these patches, so I don't really see the point of looking until they are done.
09:15:39 <Mic> Should the "Show all available protocols" look like this or is there just an icon/label missing?
09:17:02 <Mic> The icons and the descriptive labels look "inviting" :)
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09:21:20 <aleth> Hi :)
09:21:33 <Mic> Hi aleth
09:23:47 <aleth> I agree with Mic, the "Show all available protocols" should have the same overall size as the other list entries. And it could have some kind of border-top to offset it? One could try centering the text in the space to "offset" it even more, but I am not sure if that would be an improvement, needs experimentation...
09:24:41 <aleth> Otherwise it looks like it's going to be ready soon :)
09:24:43 <Mic> aleth: I was rather thinking of using a placeholder icon, a "Other protocols" caption and something like "My protocol is not listed here, please show me others" as description.
09:26:23 <aleth> I'm not sure, if you give it an icon it'll look like a protocol visually.
09:26:46 <Mic> It won't;)
09:27:18 <aleth> But that's all experimentation - I just think it needs separating from the others somehow, and it will look better if it's the same size overall.
09:28:46 <aleth> I'm generally not a big fan of icons-for-everything, they often carry no information and are just there because someone had a table entry to fill.
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10:10:06 <Mic> aleth: like this: http://imgur.com/6oy58
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11:22:38 <flo> shouldn't the icon look like a "+" or something conveying the meaning of "more"?
11:22:44 <flo> I'm not sure we really need an icon
11:23:09 <flo> I don't think aleth's suggestion of centering would help. Keeping things aligned is good.
11:23:16 <flo> I agree that it needs to have the same height as the other items
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11:35:01 <Mic1> A plus could be good, too
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12:56:39 <aleth> Mic: I'm not sure about the icon either, though the + idea is interesting. I still think a subtle dotted top border would be good for that item.
12:57:55 <aleth> I tend to agree with wnayes that "Show all protocols" is more concise, but maybe one should ask some users...
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12:58:31 <aleth> ...though that is not easy to do ;)
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13:04:14 <clokep> Looks nice. :) I think a border might loook good to separate it, but it could also look out of place. I'd need to see it.
13:04:51 <clokep> And the IRC discussions aren't that interesting...mostly half rants about a stupid protocol. ;)
13:21:14 <Mic> No icon, with a dashed top border instead: http://imgur.com/W5GQF
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13:23:38 <flo> another idea (but I don't think it would look good) is to alternate the background colors, like in the account manager
13:23:56 <aleth> Nice :) The padding between the two lines of text in each item seems a bit big?
13:25:08 <flo> aleth: right. That seems Windows specific.
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13:27:36 <aleth> Mic: http://www.iconfinder.com/search/?q=expand may help if you want to try + icons ;)
13:27:58 <Mic> I made one myself and it didn't look good.
13:28:18 <aleth> or indeed http://www.iconfinder.com/search/?q=plus ...
13:28:47 <aleth> Actually come to think of it there may be one among the standard mozilla icons?
13:29:39 <aleth> But if it doesn't look good, forget it :)
13:30:00 <Mic> aleth: I think a plus *could* look good. Just not the ones I tried.
13:30:15 <Mic> And no icon isn't that bad either.
13:30:45 <flo> I don't think we really need an icon there
13:31:01 <flo> in a way, having no icon makes that line different :)
13:31:18 <aleth> True
13:32:30 <Mic> "another idea [...] is to alternate the background colors, like in the account manager", Windows doesn't have that but if you use "-moz-oddtreerow", that should be taken into account automatically.
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13:35:37 <aleth> The account manager has alternating backgrounds? Not on Linux...
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13:37:57 <clokep> Nor on Windows it seems.
13:38:16 <clokep> I agree that no icon is needed though. And a plus isn't realy the right thing as it doesn't "open".
13:39:18 <flo> ok, never mind then (it looks like this on Mac: http://i.imgur.com/Dwdgw.png)
13:39:23 <aleth> Do you like the italic font? Is it necessary? (I don't know)
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13:39:57 <flo> aleth: no, the italic isn't needed
13:39:57 <aleth> flo: Is that a leftover from when everything was stripy on OSX? (Aqua I think)
13:40:22 <flo> aleth: the Firefox download manager looks exactly the same as our account manager
13:40:33 <flo> I copied and adapted the css from it
13:41:29 <aleth> Aha :) 
13:42:14 <aleth> Looks better as the IB account manager than it does as the Downloads box...
13:42:39 <flo> they have changed the download manager very recently for Firefox ;)
13:43:20 <aleth> they keep saying that ;) has it finally landed?
13:43:44 <flo> yes
13:43:57 <flo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726444
13:44:40 <aleth> And calling the patch "Finally!" I see ;)
13:45:15 <aleth> aha, turned off with a pref atm
13:45:22 <clokep> It looks really bad IMO. :-S
13:45:51 <aleth> oh dear :(
13:46:56 <Mic> It's not very 2012 either. I mean it's not even done in HTML! ;)
13:47:11 <Mic> clokep: do you have a screenshot?
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13:47:53 <flo> clokep: it seems quite OK when I tried it in a UX nightly a few weeks ago :-S
13:48:34 <clokep> Mic: One second.
13:48:58 <aleth> I hope it's not like the one in Chrome.
13:48:58 * clokep is trying to find something to download. :P
13:49:43 <flo> s/seems/seemed/
13:50:20 <clokep> Mic: 
13:50:23 <clokep> http://imgur.com/xTSAY
13:50:30 <clokep> flo: I just don't find it useful at all.
13:50:41 <clokep> But I use Download Statusbar so...maybe that's why.
13:50:59 <Mic> Thanks.
13:51:28 <clokep> And the actual manager itself: http://imgur.com/LGSM9
13:51:52 <flo> clokep: the main advantage I see to that change is that I likely won't have the download manager window staying open for days any more
13:52:08 <flo> clokep: that second window seems to just be the (ugly) places window
13:52:12 <aleth> Never been a fan of the library design
13:52:26 <clokep> flo: Yeah getting rid of the window is a big win. :)
13:52:36 <clokep> And yes that's the horrible places window...
13:52:56 <flo> why isn't that large window in a tab, by the way? :)
13:52:56 <FeuerFliege> aleth: i think it’ll be fine if they could make it an In-content-UI
13:53:03 <aleth> The download manager will be better if it now has resume/retry options ;)
13:53:22 <aleth> here's hoping...
13:53:42 <FeuerFliege> flo: That’s another bug. There was a UX-Build with many In-Content-UI features
13:53:46 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 1428 on bug 1391.
13:53:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1391 enh, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, Simplify account creation wizard
13:54:01 <clokep> flo: did you want to revie attachment 1448?
13:54:08 <clokep> s/revie/review/
13:54:49 <flo> clokep: I spent time looking at it this morning, but haven't written down anything yet
13:55:35 <flo> I guess I'll write some comments and you'll probably find more to add
13:55:58 <clokep> OK, sounds good.
14:04:52 <flo> is someone taking care of bug 1424?
14:04:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1424 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Warning: GenericConvChatPrototype _init "setting a property that has only a getter"
14:04:59 <flo> it seems as easy as adding a dummy setter in the twitter code
14:07:03 <clokep> flo: I can do it.
14:07:08 <clokep> But not right now -- I'm going biking.
14:07:17 <clokep> So if it's easier to just fix it instead of reviewing it...
14:08:15 <flo> clokep: I think having someone review all patches became mandatory now that chat/ is in Tb
14:08:47 <clokep> flo: Right.
14:30:34 <flo> I wonder where we are going to list our contributors in the code if we switch to MPL2 headers
14:32:07 <clokep> I thought the point was to not have to list them?
14:32:29 <clokep> We need to update the list before 1.2: The one in the about menu.
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14:45:50 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 1448 on bug 1391.
14:45:51 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted feedback for attachment 1448 on bug 1391.
14:45:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1391 enh, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, Simplify account creation wizard
14:46:44 <flo> clokep: the point is to not be legally required to list them. But listing them "somewhere" is still a good practice to let new contributors feel that they are part of the team
14:47:19 <flo> (it's very important for new contributors to be able to show to their friends "see, I worked on this, my name is in the about dialog / the copyrights file / ...)
14:50:01 <flo> I know my mother has looked at about:credits several times to check that my name was actually listed there. (By the way, it seems we should request the addition of key instantbird (or at least chat/) contributors to that list)
14:50:27 <clokep> Into Thunderbird? Yeah, that would probably make sense...
14:50:50 <clokep> Yes, I agree. It's good to list them somewhere. I'm just saying we could possibly just expand the list in the about dialogue instead of listing them in each file.
14:50:53 <flo> about:credits is a redirect to a webpage hosted on mozilla.org, not built into the products
14:51:16 <clokep> We need to add at least Varuna and aleth to our credits though.
14:51:29 <flo> I don't have aleth's name though ;)
14:53:16 <flo> I think we tend to update the list in the about dialog only when releasing, and only adding people who have been contributing significantly/several times.
14:53:31 <flo> the list in the code files had the advantage that we could add someone's name immediately at the first patch
14:53:46 <clokep> True, I kind of like it there.
14:53:53 <clokep> We could just put it at the end of the MPL 2 header.
14:54:06 <flo> yes, it's possible
14:54:40 <flo> I have another use case for names in file headers, but not really important at this point for Instantbird: I assume people in that list are likely to know what (some of the) the file does
14:55:14 <flo> I usually add my name in the contributors list of a Firefox/Thunderbird file only when I'm starting to have a significant understanding of it, and would be likely to be helpful if asked a question about it on IRC
14:55:51 <flo> feel free to add more review comments for wnayes' patch, but I think I wrote enough to keep him busy for a few minutes :)
14:58:03 <clokep> flo: I think Mozilla thought the hg log / blame is more useful for that, but I agree that it's useful as it quickly shows who actually has an understanding, not just people who touched the file.
15:01:58 <flo> especially knowing who wrote the initial file is useful to know who I can blame for how crappy a file looks ;)
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15:06:47 <clokep> Hahah. Fair enough. :)
15:07:55 <flo> that specific part isn't useful to me for Instantbird, as I'm either the original author or reviewer, so finding who to blame rarely helps me
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18:43:54 <Nimbus> hello there
18:44:02 <meh> hello
18:44:33 <Nimbus> is anyone having trouble with fb chat on the latest version of instantbird?
18:46:22 <wnayes> hmm, I just connected my account now that you mention it, and it seems to keep disconnecting.
18:47:07 <Nimbus> I got a "resource conflict" after a whole afternoon of connecting/disconnecting
18:47:56 <wnayes> I'm having "Error: server closed the connection" it seems. Hopefully it is temporary :(
18:49:11 <Nimbus> hopefully :/ well, at least I'm not the only one :P
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18:56:13 <clokep> Nimbus: I remember someone complaining about issues in #pidgin yesterday, so maybe Facebook is having issues?
18:56:51 <clokep> Yes, there are reports of it having issues on Facebook's site.
18:56:58 <clokep> Hopefully it'll clear up soon. :)
19:03:54 <Nimbus> let's wait then :)
19:05:14 <aleth> Nimbus: By the way, you know you can connect to IRC with Instantbird too? You don't need mibbit ;)
19:06:31 <Nimbus> yep but I don't know what to write in the "user" field :P
19:06:41 <Nimbus> (I'm a total noob about IRC)
19:06:54 <aleth> Just the nickname you want to use :)
19:07:11 <clokep> The same thing you write for Mibbit? :P
19:08:36 <Nimbus> actually I don't know how I made it till here XD
19:09:04 <aleth> Try now if you like, we can talk you through it if you get stuck 
19:10:48 <Nimbus> I tried just now but it didn't worked, said there's any account with the name I entered. Actually I've never registered an IRC account (and again: I don't know how I made this thing work :P)
19:11:23 <aleth> Did you go to Tools -> Accounts and click on "New Account"?
19:11:29 <Nimbus> yep
19:11:33 <aleth> Then pick IRC
19:11:36 <Nimbus> done
19:11:44 <aleth> For your username, put Nimbus
19:11:55 <aleth> For server, put irc.mozilla.org
19:13:00 <aleth> (then click Next)
19:13:36 <clokep> If you already have an account like this set up for Instantbird it'll tell you there's already an account and you can just go click connect on it. :)
19:14:24 <Nimbus> it's connected but it says that my username isn't registered 
19:14:34 <aleth> That's fine.
19:14:34 <clokep> "it"?
19:14:56 <Nimbus> @Clokep: the account
19:15:01 <aleth> Try "Join chat"
19:15:11 <clokep> What says that? NickServ when you connect?
19:15:16 <Nimbus> hold on a moment, maybe I got it
19:15:19 <aleth> (File menu)
19:15:25 <clokep> That doesn't matter, you don't need to be registered to use IRC.
19:15:30 <aleth> and join #instantbird ... lets see if that works
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19:16:42 <Nimbus> uh yay that was me 
19:17:00 <aleth> you left quickly :P
19:17:25 <Nimbus> haha I couldn't see anything on instantbird so I thought "well maybe I should restart it"
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19:17:41 <Lalae> and here I am!
19:17:46 <aleth> :)
19:18:07 <aleth> It would be great if you could tell us exactly which steps you found confusing and where it went wrong when you tried the first time
19:18:23 <aleth> Then maybe we can improve it ;)
19:18:53 <Lalae> oh it's just that I don't us IRC very often...actually quite never, so I didn't know what to do
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19:19:15 <clokep> IRC is kind of confusing. :(
19:19:29 <aleth> Still... maybe we could make it easy enough to use for newbies too :P
19:19:52 <clokep> aleth: At least we don't ask for real name or username anymore. ;)
19:20:52 <aleth> Lalae: Btw are you the other guy  who asked for DarkChat to be fixed?
19:21:14 <Lalae> yep! and I'm a girl ;)
19:21:32 <clokep> Message theme?
19:21:32 <aleth> oops :D
19:21:45 <aleth> I hope it's working better for you now!
19:21:50 <Lalae> (anyway, the only thing that I found confusing was entering the server...I just entered irc.freenode.net as I didn't know I had to change it)
19:22:01 <Lalae> it's a-m-a-z-i-n-g! love it!
19:22:16 <aleth> Glad to hear it :)
19:22:42 <clokep> Lalae: Ah, we've talked about having a list of like preset servers so there would be Mozilla (moznet) and it just sets everything up properly with the server & port.
19:22:56 <clokep> But we haven't given too much thought to it yet I guess.
19:22:59 <aleth> Anyway, if your issues are all fixed, you could update your review ;) #hint
19:23:04 <clokep> And it's a lot of effort to compile a list and keep it up to date. :(
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19:23:51 <Lalae> @aleth: I was thinking bout it ^^
19:24:23 <Lalae> do you know what's the font used in the screenshot? I can't find it in my list, it's pretty nice indeed
19:24:23 <aleth> IRC is a bit confusing, there are different networks (mozilla, freenode, ...) and you have to know which one the channel you'd like to join is on.
19:24:32 <aleth> Hmm, let me check
19:25:01 <aleth> I think that was Monaco
19:26:02 <aleth> uh, I may still have the link for that one
19:26:07 <aleth> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/129604/Monaco_Linux-Powerline.otf
19:26:45 <Lalae> thanks
19:29:18 <aleth> Did you find it confusing that the account wizard asked you for a password?
19:32:44 <Lalae> not so much. as I said, the most confusing thing was the server one, well at least for me. Maybe an IRC frequent user won't find it confusing ;)
19:33:23 <clokep> Well you have it figured out now, so you can come hang out all the time. :P
19:33:30 <aleth> Did you get a hint "and server" in the username box? Was that the confusing thing?
19:33:41 <aleth> (Sorry to bug you, just trying to see if we could improve things)
19:35:16 <Lalae> no problem. it was pre-compiled with the freenode server
19:35:36 <aleth> Ah, so it would have been easier if the server field was blank?
19:35:42 <aleth> That would be an easy fix ;)
19:35:54 <Lalae> for my experience yes
19:36:04 <aleth> OK, thanks :)
19:36:42 <Lalae> not knowing there were multiple servers I just entered that one supposing I'd have found you there (once joined the channel of course)
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19:37:09 <clokep> Yeah we default IRC to freenode and XMPP to jabber.org I think.
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19:38:31 <aleth> Yes, based on this I wonder whether having a default isn't more confusing than helpful. Maybe we could display a hint instead (light grey "for example: chat.freenode.org" or something like that)
19:38:56 <Lalae> yes that could be helpful
19:41:21 <Lalae> imho it depends whether the person setting up the account knows how IRC works or not. 
19:42:20 <aleth> Sure, but defaults shouldn't get in the way if we can help it. After all a wizard is supposed to guide you a bit ;)
19:42:58 <clokep> aleth: I think IRC and XMPP need another page which let you choose a network or configure your own.
19:44:38 <aleth> That would be even better...
19:45:22 <clokep> Thanks for the feedback Lalae. :)
19:45:26 <clokep> Every bit helps...
19:45:30 <Lalae> clokep: I just re-read the conversation, you were asking "message theme"...uh, maybe wasn't clear what I meant in my review?
19:45:40 <Lalae> you're welcome :)
19:45:46 <clokep> What review?
19:45:57 <Lalae> the one about DarkChat 
19:45:59 <clokep> I was asking what DarkChat was.
19:46:06 <Lalae> ahn XD
19:46:15 <Lalae> it's a message theme, yes
19:46:33 <aleth> clokep: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/126
19:47:03 <clokep> Interesting...
19:47:03 <Mic> Click on a irc://irc.mozilla.org/#instantbird link -> (No account configured for this server, please choose a user name to create one ->) #instantbird tab opens.
19:47:07 <Mic> That would be nice..
19:47:25 <clokep> Mic: And if you have multiple accounts it asks to choose one?
19:48:09 <Mic> Ah, good point ;)
19:48:11 <aleth> Oh, can you register IB to open links like that?
19:48:26 <clokep> Yes.
19:48:31 <clokep> We just don't have code to handle them.
19:48:36 <Mic> aleth: you can register links for that but we wouldn't handle them yet
19:48:53 <clokep> There's also a few different ways to do IRC links btw. ;)
19:49:07 <clokep> bug 516
19:49:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Register protocol handlers for IM protocols
19:49:56 <clokep> Ah that bug actually has a lot of good information if someone wanted to start handling that...
19:57:17 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1426 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
19:57:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1426 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, IRC Account wizard somewhat confusing for users new to IRC
19:57:35 <Lalae> since you guys are so kind, can you please enlighten me about how the nicknames stuff work? I mean, why are so many colors, wha the stars mean and what's that wi-fi look alike symbol?
19:59:16 <clokep> Gold star is a channel operator, a silver star is a channel half-operator and instantbot has "voice" status.
19:59:32 <clokep> An operator is an administrator of sorts (they can boot people, change the topic, things like that).
19:59:39 <clokep> And a half-op can do some of those things, but not everything. :)
19:59:43 <Lalae> ok
20:00:11 <Lalae> and what about colors?
20:00:12 <clokep> The colors match the message theme (if it supports it, I guess). So you can quickly tell the difference between people talking and match them with the participants list.
20:00:24 <clokep> If they're gray, that means they haven't spoken (they're "inactive").
20:00:39 <aleth> clokep: They will only be gray if she is using a nightly ;)
20:00:48 <clokep> aleth: Right. :)
20:01:37 <Lalae> actually they're pink, blue, red, orange, green...with no specific order
20:02:13 <Lalae> aleth, you're fucsia! and clokep red just like me
20:02:29 <clokep> Lalae: Yes, they're not supposed to be ordered.
20:02:45 <clokep> It wouldn't make sense to have two nicks that are almost the same be the same color! It's supposed to help you tell them apart!
20:02:56 <aleth> If you use a message style which is more "colourful" the messages will have the same colour as the sender in some way
20:03:38 <Lalae> oh I think DarkChat has this possibility too ;)
20:03:52 <aleth> I don't remember :-/
20:03:54 <Lalae> I just liked it most with the green/orange style
20:04:11 <Lalae> it works with msn so I think it'd work with IRC too
20:04:18 <Lalae> I'll give it a try, hold on :D
20:04:25 <aleth> Anyway, there are lots of small improvements coming in the next version of Instantbird :)
20:04:42 <Lalae> nice!
20:05:03 <aleth> (like that the nicks in the participant list only get coloured once they say something)
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20:06:16 <Lalae> ok it works for msn but not for IRC
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20:06:53 <aleth> I guess it doesn't really fit with a message style that's meant to look like an oldschool monochrome monitor ;)
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20:07:31 <Lalae> :P
20:08:02 <Lalae> that's why I disabled it 
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20:46:26 <Mic> There's the request to include an explanation for the icon into the participant's tooltip: bug 960
20:46:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=960 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show description of rank in conferences in tooltips
20:52:39 <aleth> Maybe there should be a tooltip redesign tag? There seem to be a bunch of tooltip ideas filed...
20:55:59 <Mic> aleth: I have one more! Everytime I look at an IRC tooltip I think "Why aren't 'Connected from' and 'Connected to' placed next to each other?" ;)
20:56:34 <aleth> Yeah...
20:57:26 <Mic> Is that even possible or are the fields in random order?
20:58:37 <aleth> Some are always present and in an order we fix, the rest are in the order the server sends them
21:00:40 <Mic> clokep: if it's possible to re-order these fields I'd file a (silly;) enhancement request for it.
21:02:57 <clokep> Mic: Yes, we do that for tiwtter. please file abug.
21:03:08 <Mic> OK.
21:03:10 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1427 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
21:03:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1427 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show "Connected to" and "Connected from" in IRC tooltips next to each other
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21:34:15 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com set the Resolution field on bug 431 to WORKSFORME.
21:34:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=431 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Yahoo: cannot login when special chars in password
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21:41:22 <clokep> Lalae: I'm told that the Facebook servers should be all stable and working now.
21:41:41 <Lalae> yes it works now :)
21:42:46 <Lalae> I really hoped it was a FB issue and not an IB one 'cause I like IB pretty much and I didn't want to find an alternative XD
21:43:46 <clokep> I'm glad to hear that! :) Please let us know if you have other issues / questions. We've filed a few bugs based on your comments. ;)
21:44:41 <Lalae> sure! I've seen them ^^
21:45:15 <Lalae> when will the new version be released?
21:47:25 <clokep> "soon" is the best answer I can give. :(
21:47:31 <clokep> We'd like to do it within the next few weeks.
21:47:38 <clokep> You're using Instantbird 1.1, right?
21:48:09 <clokep> But yeah, I hope within a month. :) It's got a lot of new features.
21:48:34 <Lalae> can't wait to see them! Yes I'm using the 1.1 one
21:50:07 <clokep> :) Hopefully we'll blog about some of them. I mean I kind of talk about stuff in the status updates, but don't do it justice.
21:50:17 <clokep> I think aleth is part way through a blog post though? ;)
21:50:29 <clokep> (Yes, a not so subtle hint...)
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22:05:05 <flo> I haven't seen any JS-IRC quit message with the version number yet
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22:06:08 <flo> the confusion about using freenode instead of mozilla to come in #instantbird seems to me like we should have some presence in irc.freenode.net#instantbird (if only to have a bot telling people to go to moznet instead)
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22:06:48 <Mic> flo: the look of the conversation input box on OSX breaks if we set "moz-appearance: none." if I'm not mistaken?
22:07:39 <flo> I don't really remember, but that's likely
22:08:36 <clokep> flo: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today/#m25
22:10:02 <flo> :)
22:10:17 <flo> maybe I haven't noticed because it looked normal :)
22:11:11 <clokep> Perhaps. :) Could take a few days for people to update to it too.
22:17:47 <flo> have you looked at wnayes' latest comment in the bug?
22:18:00 <flo> is there any benefit to the {s,g}etUserData methods?
22:18:11 <flo> (compared to just setting a JS property on the DOM node)
22:18:29 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1451 on bug 713.
22:18:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Text box missing left and right padding
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22:22:16 <flo> Mic: have you tried this patch with both the Windows Vista+ (aero?) and the Windows Classic themes?
22:22:40 <Mic> Aero Only.
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22:28:34 <Mic> It's "fixing" the padding also with the classic theme.
22:29:20 <Mic> And I don't like the wide gap between border and caret though... maybe I should have WONTFIXed it right away? ;)
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22:34:01 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 1451 on bug 713.
22:34:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Text box missing left and right padding
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22:42:48 <flo> Mic: or just added -moz-padding-start/end with a few pixels?
22:49:53 <Mic> Yes, I meant tweaking the paddings but using padding-left/right or -moz-padding-start/end shouldn't make a difference if the values are the same on both sides, should it?
22:51:46 <flo> right
22:54:00 <Mic> Someone's having quite a lot of messages in his conversations: bug 1140 :o
22:54:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1140 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Ctrl+F search in a conversation window with a long backlog hangs Instantbird
22:56:30 <Mic> Good night
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23:24:42 <flo> Good night :)
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23:52:50 <Lalae> Good night everybody :)
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