#instantbird log on 04 18 2012

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03:00:58 <instant-buildbot> build #468 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/468
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08:17:26 <Mic> pvagner: hi! I've got a question: are the modes of a user (operator/half-op/voice/..) accessible on the participant list of IRC channels?
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08:19:20 <Mic> We have icons on the list items, maybe we need a descriptive label too (like for bug 412)?
08:19:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, [Accessibility] Add accessible text for the status icons and other purely graphical info
08:21:00 <pvagner> Mic: I think they are not.
08:21:26 <pvagner> Mic: actually I even did not know something like this is there.
08:21:30 <Mic> Even is currently operator, aleth if half-op, instantbot has voice if that helps with checking
08:21:47 <Mic> d'oh, seems I pinged a lot of people right now :S
08:22:11 <Even> Actually yes, you did :P
08:22:19 <pvagner> Mic: I don't know whether I'm too old-fashioned but I would suggest labelling the images using classic text style indicators such as @ + and others signs.
08:22:19 <Even> But I don't really mind :)
08:22:49 <Mic> Getting pinged for every "even" said in a channel sounds annoying in general. It's not such an uncommon word after all.
08:23:17 <Even> Sure enough ^^
08:23:46 <Even> You forgot to say you're half op yourself ^^
08:23:52 <Mic> We wanted tooltips on these icons, pvagner. Would that help too or would it be too verbose
08:24:49 <Mic> (too verbose if they're actually read out like "operator" each time you select a participant, I meant)
08:25:06 <Mic> I know, I only wanted to give an example for each mode.
08:26:07 <Even> yeah, but you chose someone else when you could have chosen yourself. That's nice ^^. But in this case aleth is absent so it makes his icon grayed. Less useful :)
08:31:22 <Mic> OK, I'll file a bug abotu participants and see that it gets fixed.
08:33:42 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1384 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
08:33:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1384 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make modes of participants accessible since they are only displayed as icons at the moment
08:43:14 <pvagner> Mic: another issue I've discovered. A few days ago I've manually copied slovak localization into the installed nightly. And status names are never localized.e.g. contact list item includes word available. on the main window toolbar where there is image showing my current status it's saying available, away etc. Is this a instantbird bug or a bug with slovak locale? in the menu status is displayed correctly.
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10:04:54 <flo> bah, it seems gmail has finally removed the old usable theme and forced the "update" to the new one :(
10:05:14 <flo> I guess they are providing intensive for fixing Thunderbird to make it usable ;).
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10:30:51 <clokep> Hello!
10:31:50 <clokep> Mic: WOuld you be interested in reviewing bug 1074 for aleth? I never seem to get around to it. :(
10:31:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1074 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Default message styles lack context message support
10:31:59 <clokep> (Plus I htink you know a lot more about message themes than me...)
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10:39:05 <flo> clokep: I think what we mostly need to do is try the themes with these changes to see if they feel good or not
10:39:56 <flo> especially theming the context messages in blue for the Simple theme seemed a little surprising when looking at the patch
10:42:53 <Mic> clokep: ok
10:42:55 <Mic> bye
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10:48:17 <clokep> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=RESOLVED%20resolution%3Afixed%20milestone%3A1.2&list_id=1144 is impressive...
10:50:57 <clokep> Bah it includes things from 0.1.2 :(
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10:55:27 <flo> "Update libpurple up to 2.4.2" :)
10:55:53 <clokep> Yeah that's the one that gave it away. :)
10:56:19 <flo> there are only 21 for 0.1.2: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=RESOLVED%20resolution%3Afixed%20milestone:0.1.2&list_id=1152
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11:43:01 <ig0rk0> hi
11:43:33 <ig0rk0> does anyone have icq account? Want to test autorisation fix
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14:52:13 <Mic|web> Hello
14:56:56 <clokep_work> Howdy
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15:50:24 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1367 on bug 1071.
15:50:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071 enh, --, ---, nobody, ASSI, Improve look of contact drop target
16:00:15 <clokep_work> Mic|web: That looks great. :)
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16:16:49 <aleth> nice :) 
16:16:57 <aleth> I wonder why the font is slanted and not italic?
16:17:28 <aleth> Maybe that's just the font...
16:18:37 <aleth> Looks like it from the code
16:18:41 <Mic|web> No idea. I just set the font-style to italic.
16:20:11 <aleth> "if you are using Italic on a font that doesn’t have its own true Italic version of the font, it will automatically use the Oblique version" I guess
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16:47:15 <Mic|web> aleth: icons in (context) menus are common on Linux (e.g. on Gnome) if I recall correctly?
16:48:50 <aleth> It's not unusual. Not necessary either, though I think it might have been standard at some point. It may depend on some system config setting.
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16:49:51 <aleth> What I've seen often are standard icons (save, print, etc)
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16:58:57 <Mic|web> This was about bug 595 btw.
16:59:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595 nor, --, ---, tymerkaev, ASSI, Icons in menus on Linux
16:59:39 <clokep_work> Not to post something entirely unrelated to Instantbird...but if you want to teach someone quicksort: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywWBy6J5gz8 ;)
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17:16:00 <aleth> Mic|web:  The only place I can think of where context menu icons would actually be really useful would be in the tray context menu for quicker visual recognition of Available/Unavailble/Offline
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17:17:44 <Mic|web> Last time I used Gnome the icons weren't placed on items "where they are useful" but like .. everywhere! scnr ;)
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17:49:26 <igorko> hey. Does anyone want to test ICQ autorization?
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17:51:12 <igorko> instantbot: what's up
17:51:15 <instantbot> igorko: Sorry, I've no idea what 'up' might be.
17:51:16 <instantbot> igorko: I wanna be a billionaire so fricking bad. Buy all of the things I never had...
17:51:55 <igorko> the same good instantbot :)
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19:14:08 <aleth> Mic: I think the default is now to "icons off" (unless an app insists) even in gnome...
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19:29:19 <aleth> flo: the problem wasn't the laptop cable after all? ;)
19:43:43 <flo> aleth: which problem?
19:44:04 <aleth> flo: I thought you had been disconnected again
19:45:14 <flo> aleth: I had to reboot my cell phone to have an internet access again; don't know why :-S
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21:07:52 <flo> it sucks that connection issues and mishandled sockets are only possible to experience when the internet connection sucks, that is when it's impossible to debug anything :(
21:08:05 <flo> I had to restart Instantbird for it to accept to connect to gtalk again :(
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22:23:15 <clokep> Can anyone think of a better way to do this: |aStr.split(/\s+/).filter(function(s) s.length)|
22:23:25 <clokep> Attempting to split on any space, but not include empty strings?
22:24:11 <clokep> Ah, .trim().split(/\s+/) works too....
22:25:59 <Mook_as> fwiw, .filter(Boolean) is nice too
22:26:10 <Mook_as> (but trim+split is clearer)
22:26:16 <clokep> Yes, I thought so too. :)
22:26:31 <clokep> So a space at the end is called a "trailing space" what's space at the beginning? :P
22:26:39 <Mook_as> leading space?
22:26:47 <adev> indent? ;)
22:27:34 <clokep> Leading is what I was looking for. :)
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22:33:58 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1369 on bug 1378.
22:34:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1378 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Avoid sending empty nicks when changing modes with tab complete
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22:56:02 <adev> clokep: Could you use the same user input sanitizer for all/most IRC commands? Save yourself some time...
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22:56:16 <clokep> adev: It does now...?
22:57:21 <adev> Yeah...
22:57:41 <adev> I guess that's the annoying thing, it's never quite the same beyond a certain point...
22:58:55 <adev> Btw, if you filter by s.length you can drop the regex for " "?
22:59:17 <adev> replace the regex with " " I mean
22:59:39 <clokep> adev: Did you see the patch I posted?
22:59:58 <adev> I thought I was looking at it :-/
23:00:16 <adev> this -> |function splitInput(aString) aString.split(/\s+/).filter(function(s) s.length);|
23:00:17 <clokep> Bah. :(
23:00:23 <clokep> Yes, that wasn't what I wanted.
23:02:36 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1369 on bug 1378.
23:02:37 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1370 on bug 1378.
23:02:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1378 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Avoid sending empty nicks when changing modes with tab complete
23:03:43 <adev> Isn't it frustrating how tiny nitty patches can suck up time :P
23:03:49 <clokep> Yes. :-/
23:04:56 <clokep> adev: Does that one make more sense at all?
23:05:07 <adev> Yes
23:15:43 <clokep> Review it if you want. ;)
23:19:17 <adev> might as well
23:19:19 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted review for attachment 1370 on bug 1378.
23:19:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1378 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Avoid sending empty nicks when changing modes with tab complete
23:24:15 <clokep> bug 1305 is up for grabs too. ;)
23:24:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1305 nor, --, 1.2, clokep, REOP, /mode messages don't work on JS-IRC
23:27:10 <adev> I hope you can
23:27:19 <adev> 't set your nick to a channel name...
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23:28:45 <clokep> Hmm?
23:29:06 <instantbird> It's OK, you can't set it to #instantbird
23:30:12 <clokep> Haha, good. :)
23:30:49 * instantbird flaps wings
23:31:22 <clokep> :P
23:31:30 <clokep> It'd be really bad if you could set your nick to #instantbird...
23:31:38 <clokep> That would actually probably break spec in so many wyas.
23:32:17 <instantbird> Yes, that would have been grim
23:32:55 <instantbird> Last time I was on #ubuntu for testing I noticed there were nicks beginning with numbers... so some clients might allow all kinds of odd things
23:33:38 <clokep> That's not a client thing, that's a server thing.
23:33:56 <clokep> But yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if some servers allow that.
23:34:11 <clokep> I don't think we do any sort of testing before sending a nick though, we just do some magic when requesting a new nick.
23:35:08 * Mook_as can't remember if any servers allow non-ascii nicks
23:35:23 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted review for attachment 1342 on bug 1305.
23:35:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1305 nor, --, 1.2, clokep, REOP, /mode messages don't work on JS-IRC
23:35:49 * clokep doesn't want to think about that.
23:36:05 <clokep> Thanks instantbird!
23:36:12 <clokep> Hmm....That auto-completed to instantbot...
23:36:37 <instantbird> Hmm... because he pinged you?
23:36:48 <clokep> Perhaps.
23:37:02 <clokep> Ah, yes. You haven't pinged me at all it seems. :)
23:37:04 <clokep> I thought you did.
23:37:21 <instantbird> instantbird hasn't
23:38:45 <instantbird> It seems ʘ‿ʘ is an illegal nick
23:39:00 <instantbird> And 432 is another unhandled error message
23:40:17 <clokep> Ah, that's an interesting one...we should probably strip all non-ascii characters out and try again?
23:40:58 <instantbird> I think as long as the error message is displayed it's ok to leave it to the user
23:41:07 <clokep> Yeah, I guess.
23:41:15 <instantbird> Especially if servers vary in what is allowed.
23:42:04 <Mook_as> I think I saw a Chinese one that allowed bits of GB2312?
23:47:52 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from benediktp@ymail.com  for attachment 1371 on bug 1380.
23:47:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1380 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unread ruler confusing when coming back to conversation with no new messages
23:49:11 <clokep> That wouldn't surprise me at all.
23:49:32 <instantbird> pinging clokep so he can test that completion again
23:49:44 <clokep> Yes, that works. :)
23:50:00 <instantbird> yeah, so that was a case where it got in the way I guess...
23:50:22 <instantbird> But if I hadn't switched nicks it would have been ok
23:52:48 <clokep> Yes, probably.
23:52:55 <clokep> I'm willing to ignore that one unless it happens again?
23:53:07 <instantbird> Keep it in mind.
23:53:38 <instantbird> I've been mulling over a possible improvement for when there are multiple completions
23:53:47 <clokep> Which is?
23:54:05 <instantbird> Press tab multiple times to cycle through the options, and "preference" just determines which comes first
23:55:23 <instantbird> I am not sure it's intuitive
23:55:33 <clokep> That's fairly standard I think.
23:56:06 <clokep> So for multiple completions it would show all possibilities, complete as much as possible and pressing tab more would start to cycle through them?
23:56:33 <clokep> (I.e. i would complete instant, and show all three nicks...)
23:56:48 <instantbird> It would show the possibilities and immediately complete to the first or preferred nick
23:57:08 <clokep> Hmmm...OK.
23:57:15 <clokep> I'd suggest filing a bug for discussion. ;)
23:57:18 <instantbird> Though you could add a "pause", that's an idea.
23:57:50 <instantbird> i.e. do a partial completion first just as now. 
23:58:06 <instantbird> But then you don't subsume the "preferred nick" current behaviour
23:58:14 <clokep> You could also do a partial completion, unles there's a ping nick, in which case you auto complete to that.
23:58:34 <instantbird> That might work.
23:58:51 <instantbird> I don't know what would be best.
23:59:39 <instantbird> Actually always completing to some nick seems bad because then on a big channel, you are stuck pressing tab a zillion times when you might prefer to just add more letters