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00:10:49 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 00:10:49 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 00:37:08 --> smurfsmurf has joined #instantbird 00:38:05 <smurfsmurf> Hello! I have what I am sure is a pretty simple question. I cannot figure out in 1.1 how to either A) Change the sound that is played on a new message, or B) make it so that the sound is played only on the first message received. Any ideas on how to do these 2 things? 00:42:54 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 00:47:52 <clokep> smurfsmurf: I don't think either of those are possible currently. 00:48:01 <clokep> They could be done easily with extensions. 00:55:39 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: gone) 01:01:09 <smurfsmurf> :( 01:01:18 <smurfsmurf> thats sad. doesnt look like an extension exists yet either 01:02:15 <clokep> No. I don't think so. 01:02:22 <clokep> There's one to remove the sounds. ;) 01:02:34 <clokep> I don't think I've heard anyone requesting just playing it the first time though. 01:02:37 <clokep> Perhaps you could file bugs? 01:03:16 <aleth> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/306 ? 01:04:19 <clokep> aleth: Doesn't do that. (And is 1.2 only btw!) 01:12:37 <smurfsmurf> yeah, playing the sound only on the first message received is fairly basic, every IM app I've used has that as an option 01:13:01 <smurfsmurf> makes sense too when you think about it, to me I use sounds for alerts. I don't need a sound for every incoming and outgoing message 01:14:36 <clokep> I've never seen that option before, but OK. 01:14:44 <clokep> Yes, so please file a bug. ;) 01:17:12 <-- BYK has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 01:17:15 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 01:32:50 <Adamodell> I really prefer the "only play sounds when unfocused" style options 01:34:09 <clokep> The way sounds are done is very extensible. 01:34:17 <Adamodell> and I don't think there's one of those either in Instantbird 01:34:32 <Adamodell> while some of the more user specific features would make sense as a plugin, some of these would probably be best integrated right into it 01:34:46 <Adamodell> I'm not really in a hurry for such a feature anyway 01:34:56 <Adamodell> you get used to the behavior after a while and don't even think about it 01:54:09 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout) 02:01:13 * jwir3 is now known as jwir3|away 02:03:37 <-- smurfsmurf has quit (Quit: ) 02:23:15 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 02:29:37 <-- wesj has quit (Input/output error) 02:36:13 <-- Adamodell has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 02:50:56 <instant-buildbot> build #467 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/467 03:21:03 --> Mautematico has joined #instantbird 04:01:50 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 04:02:11 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 04:02:15 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 04:11:08 <-- Mautematico has quit (Ping timeout) 04:13:52 <-- pvagner has quit (Ping timeout) 04:37:06 <-- skeledrew has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 04:37:18 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 04:55:42 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 05:06:01 <instant-buildbot> build #558 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/558 06:02:51 <instant-buildbot> build #455 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/455 06:08:39 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 06:16:31 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 07:28:36 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:48:26 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 07:57:08 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 08:01:49 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:01:49 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 08:05:28 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 08:08:52 <Mic> Hello! 08:28:09 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 08:28:09 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 08:35:59 <Mic> Ah, HTML is awesome :) 08:36:38 <Mic> I wanted to print a Forbes article and the print preview sucked. Adding a column-count:2 and width: 100% fixed that :) 08:45:23 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 08:52:05 <-- NmN has quit (Ping timeout) 08:55:24 <aleth> Mic: The Clearly add-on is also often useful for that kind of thing 08:59:11 <Mic> omg: http://mathiasbynens.be/notes/javascript-identifiers 09:01:15 <aleth> A whole new arena for obfuscated code... 09:02:17 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird 09:03:42 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 09:08:05 <aleth> Mic: So I guess we could use this for a variable for incoming messages ;) http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4e8/index.htm 09:11:08 <Mic> Well, that also means we don't need to use i and ii,.. in nested loops anymore :P 09:11:26 <Mic> i,ï,î, .. 09:12:54 <-- Even2 has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 09:15:46 --> Even2 has joined #instantbird 09:31:16 <Mic> aleth: the add-on sounds nice 09:32:36 --> flo has joined #instantbird 09:32:36 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:34:48 <flo> I've installed DOM inspector in my default profile to be able to check what's going on the next time I see these aContactB is null errors 09:35:28 <flo> I don't know who maintains that add-on, but the overlay is on blist.xul instead of the file containing all the menus, which means that on Mac the "DOM inspector" menu item is only available when the blist is focused :( 09:36:15 <aleth> Clearly hasn't been tested on OSX then... 09:36:22 <aleth> When does that error arise? 09:37:30 <flo> aleth: some contact elements aren't correctly removed from the blist, they are hidden, but something remains, and that something causes trouble when trying to find a position to add another contact element 09:42:46 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 09:42:56 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 09:42:57 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 10:12:02 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:12:02 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:20:23 <clokep> Good morning. :) 10:22:23 <Mic> Good morning, clokep 10:24:12 <-- jb1 has quit (Ping timeout) 10:24:24 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 10:34:27 * clokep is confused at why his test is passing. :-S 10:51:42 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 10:53:24 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:01:06 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 11:13:51 <-- Even2 has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:17:36 --> Even2 has joined #instantbird 11:26:25 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:26:25 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 11:43:37 <-- Even2 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 11:44:58 --> jb has joined #instantbird 11:54:47 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout) 12:04:07 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird 12:12:52 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 12:16:35 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 12:17:26 <-- sonny has quit (Client exited) 12:23:20 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 12:26:44 <clokep_work> flo: Was there ever a public announcement for IM in TB? 12:28:23 --> Even2 has joined #instantbird 12:28:28 <-- Even2 has quit (Quit: Even2) 12:28:34 --> Even2 has joined #instantbird 12:43:19 <flo> clokep_work: not sure, why? 12:43:32 <flo> http://www.rumblingedge.com/2012/03/13/instant-messaging-in-thunderbird-just-got-landed-should-appear-in-tomorrows-nightlies/ is probably the most public there has been 12:43:45 <clokep_work> flo: Because I'm writing a blog post in between doing other things. 12:44:32 <-- NmN has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 12:44:37 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 13:07:16 --> jb has joined #instantbird 13:10:18 <clokep_work> Would anyone like to look over this? http://blog.instantbird.org/?p=280&preview=true (Idk if that link works. :-S) 13:11:52 <clokep_work> It does not seem to...but http://pastebin.instantbird.com/29475 does. ;) 13:12:32 <flo> clokep_work: the link works only when logged in to wordpress 13:14:53 <clokep_work> flo: Right, so I figured you could view it...but I don't think like aleth has an account. 13:15:18 <flo> if he doesn't, someone should help him have one 13:15:30 <flo> I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to draft blog posts 13:16:00 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 13:17:13 <flo> clokep_work: you missed a space between "Code." and "You" 13:18:06 <flo> "natural" doesn't seem the right word to describe an algorithm 13:18:41 <flo> "to show when you last viewed a conversation." -> "to show which messages arrived since you last viewed a conversation" 13:20:09 <flo> I'm afraid I still don't know why my vCard code doesn't work :( 13:20:24 <flo> "you â the user â wants it" want or wants? 13:21:05 <flo> "it looks like this feature will appear in Thunderbird 14." more likely 15. 13:24:54 <clokep_work> Thanks. :) 13:25:03 <clokep_work> Does it seem like I covered the relevant points from the last 1.5 - 2 months? 13:28:15 <aleth> Hi :) Do you want to add 'JS-IRC will allow some interesting improvements in the future' or something like that? 13:29:12 <aleth> Maybe it makes no sense without listing them... 13:30:38 <flo> clokep_work: it does! 13:31:07 <flo> clokep_work: although I really think some of the improvements mentioned in one line deserve full blog posts 13:32:25 <aleth> Hmm, XMPP vCard support is misleading as for the user, it's not XMPP, it's gtalk and fb only 13:32:39 <flo> +fb won't support that 13:32:45 <aleth> Nice summary :) 13:32:46 <flo> maybe drop that point? :) 13:33:54 <clokep_work> You just want to be modest. ;) 13:33:55 <clokep_work> But OK. 13:35:38 <clokep_work> aleth: Would you be interested in doing a blog post on the tab completion behavior you've improved at all? :) 13:38:44 <aleth> clokep_work: I could do that, but I'm not sure we decided it's completely final yet? 13:39:22 <flo> aleth: I read your last sentence as meaning "now is a great time to send us some feedback" 13:39:55 <aleth> Feedback is always good ;) 13:40:16 <aleth> I meant mainly the last two patches, where we weren't totally sure the ping one would not get in the way 13:40:55 <flo> I think this (http://jnd.org/dn.mss/natural_user_interfaces_are_not_natural.html) is what I was implicitly referring to when I said that "natural" isn't a word to qualify an algorithm, although I'm not sure, as that article is long and I haven't read it again today 13:41:23 <flo> aleth: is it in your way? 13:42:53 <aleth> No... but I don't think I've used it at all in fact. Just coincidence of how the nicks work out... 13:43:27 <clokep_work> flo: I changed it so the algorithm is "smarter". 13:43:36 <flo> :) 13:43:42 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 13:43:53 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 13:45:38 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 13:51:53 <-- pvagner has quit (Ping timeout) 13:53:42 <clokep_work> aleth: Yeah, we don't know if they'll stick, but it's good to tell people that, tell them to test it, say we want there feedback. :-D 13:53:49 <clokep_work> Plus it shows the amount of thought / care we put into things. ;) 13:55:01 <aleth> Oh, I didn't mean take them off your list :) Just possibly to early for a "feature post". Atm the feedback is best of the kind "this doesn't work as I expected" before you tell people what to expect, I guess 13:55:28 <flo> anyway, it shows activity 13:56:48 <flo> aleth: "the too early for a feature post" trap is terrible. It's too early to write a feature blog post until the feature is old enough that you no longer notice it and don't have any enthusiasm about it any more; at this point it's way to late to write a feature post that shares the enthusiasm we had about that feature when it landed 13:57:28 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org : 13:57:29 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/2012/04/status-update-april-17-2012/ - Status Update: April 17, 2012 13:57:31 <aleth> Hmm, good point. 13:58:02 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 13:58:21 <flo> it's the bad (but probably quite real) reason why I've never blogged on many of Instantbird's feature 14:04:17 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 14:04:20 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 14:05:07 <flo> clokep_work: thanks for that blog post, by the way! :) 14:08:59 <clokep_work> flo: It was about time we had another one. :) 14:09:30 <flo> sure. But it doesn't happen without someone actually writing it ;) 14:13:20 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 14:16:08 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 14:40:51 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 14:55:49 * bear-afk is now known as bear 15:04:52 --> myk has joined #instantbird 15:06:03 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 15:09:31 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 15:09:49 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:21:04 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 15:27:39 <-- NmN has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 15:28:21 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 15:34:00 * bear is now known as bear-afk 15:36:20 * jwir3|away is now known as jwir3 15:53:37 <-- myk has quit (Input/output error) 15:58:07 <-- mmkmou has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:58:15 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 16:02:24 * clokep_work feels like he needs to read over bug 1380 again now... 16:02:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1380 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unread ruler confusing when coming back to conversation with no new messages 16:03:48 --> myk has joined #instantbird 16:03:54 <aleth> Well, we have some time to think about it, at least until the current remaining ruler patches land... 16:05:13 <aleth> Yay, my restore-from-sync-when-zapping-places FF bug is getting some initial attention at least :) 16:08:51 <flo> which bug is that? 16:09:25 <aleth> bug 745706 16:10:10 <aleth> The main consequence of history loss is that the awesome bar is suddenly a lot less awesome ;) 16:11:20 <flo> "getting some initial attention at least :)" and it seems to be attention from the right people :) 16:11:28 <aleth> yes ;) 16:11:39 <flo> "(New to Bugzilla)" have you started playing with our bugzilla before Mozilla's? 16:11:57 <aleth> No 16:13:06 <aleth> Hmm, maybe I used a different email address previously 16:16:19 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 1357 on bug 412. 16:16:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, [Accessibility] Add accessible text for the status icons and other purely graphical info 16:18:01 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird.org for attachment 1297 on bug 1123. 16:18:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1123 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Tooltips of IRC contacts don't show whois information 16:25:11 <flo> I'm really not sure about that patch. I think I will r+ but I "feel" r- without having a clear explanation for that feeling :-S 16:25:59 <clokep_work> flo: The tooltip one? 16:26:03 <clokep_work> I don't really like that patch. :( 16:26:40 <aleth> I don't either. 16:27:05 <aleth> It's a stopgap really, it brings the IRC tooltips to the level of what we have for other protocols. 16:27:50 <aleth> But tooltip redesign is a different (set of ) bugs... 16:27:54 <clokep_work> What it probably means flo is that we need to redesign that interface. ;) 16:29:12 <aleth> Also I don't like the way (for the nicklist too) the tooltip "jumps" visually even if some (possibly outdated) info is already there. 16:30:04 <aleth> It's not always noticeable thankfully. 16:30:54 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 16:31:17 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:31:26 <clokep_work> aleth: Don't you not need to normalize the name when calling requestBuddyInfo? 16:32:49 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 16:34:05 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:38:31 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 16:38:51 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:41:39 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 16:41:48 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 16:42:11 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:43:59 --> BYK has joined #instantbird 16:44:12 <-- BYK has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:44:48 --> BYK has joined #instantbird 16:48:23 <aleth> clokep_work: You don't when calling requestBuddyInfo - it doesn't matter. You do need to listen for the normalized name though. 16:50:05 <flo> would probably make more sense to expect a notification for the username you requested info for 16:51:09 <aleth> Well, no. That's what normalization is supposed to be for. You don't want to have to store whatever was passed to requestBuddyInfo, right? 16:52:12 <flo> stupid normalize function :( 16:52:59 <flo> uh, I don't even know what we are discussing, actually 16:53:03 <aleth> Yeah... I guess it was necessary 16:53:27 <flo> the normalizedName getter used in the patch seems OK 17:00:36 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:01:09 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 17:03:01 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 17:06:17 --> myk has joined #instantbird 17:10:25 <-- pvagner has quit (Ping timeout) 17:12:26 <aleth> flo: I don't understand what you mean by "duplicated code" :-/ 17:12:52 <flo> aleth: I mean that almost the same code exists at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/buddytooltip.xml#371 17:12:57 --> Mic|web has joined #instantbird 17:13:56 <aleth> Right. 17:17:43 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 17:20:47 <aleth> I think we're going round in circles a little :-/ At least it seems we discussed this before, or something like it? 17:21:34 <aleth> Maybe it just seems like it 17:23:42 <flo> about the normalize call, we have definitely discussed that (unproductively) before 17:23:58 <flo> has anybody asked you something about duplicating that code? :-S 17:24:08 <aleth> no, I wasn't referring to the duplication 17:25:50 <flo> when the observer fires, aren't all the existing info removed anyway? 17:26:05 <aleth> No, that's not how you wrote it ;) 17:26:44 <aleth> Whatever is returned is appended by appendTooltipInfo 17:27:07 <flo> I didn't expect it to be called for something that isn't a chat buddy 17:27:23 <flo> anyway, I've got to go, back later in the evening :) 17:27:24 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:28:51 <Mic|web> I wonder if I should make the string for bug 412 localizable or even somehow user-customizable (reading from a pref).. 17:28:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, [Accessibility] Add accessible text for the status icons and other purely graphical info 17:31:29 <Mic|web> Localizable should be fine, hopefully. If we get complaints, we can tweak the strings or in worst case, really make them customizable. 17:39:14 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1297 on bug 1123. 17:39:15 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1364 on bug 1123. 17:39:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1123 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Tooltips of IRC contacts don't show whois information 17:39:43 <clokep_work> Mic|web: Localizable sounds like a good idea. 17:41:21 <Mic|web> And beside that, it will change the code so much that I won't have to insert linebreaks at stupid places anymore :D 17:41:25 <-- Even2 has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:44:50 <clokep_work> The important part. ;) 17:50:16 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 17:54:06 * bear-afk is now known as bear 17:58:32 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:15:40 <Tomek> Hello :) 18:15:40 <Tomek> is it possible to have profile+history folder while dualbooting windows and linux? or would it be as easy as using -profile /path/ argument? 18:15:52 <Tomek> to have single* 18:16:27 <Mic|web> clokep_work: *ping*, you've done this already, if I'm not mistaken? 18:17:37 <clokep_work> Mic|web: Yes. I have. 18:18:01 <clokep_work> Tomek: It should work fine as long as you give -profile /path/ (Or even easier run it with -ProfileManager and then set up your default profile to be the correct path). 18:18:07 <clokep_work> If you have no binary extension that'll work fine. 18:18:24 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:19:40 <Tomek> what is precisely binary extension? i guess i have none, I just have some manually added addons not shown in addon manager 18:22:28 <Tomek> ...also my history is broken on windows since I tried nightly once there, I can see history only for new contacts, for those present while it got bugged history is inaccessible (even if new messages were sent) 18:22:55 <clokep_work> Tomek: I doubt you have any binary extensions. 18:22:55 <Tomek> losing histry isnt bothering me too much, can I just delete it manually? 18:23:02 <clokep_work> You can delete history manually. 18:23:11 <clokep_work> We changed the format in the nightlies, so that's why it isn't working when you wnet back. 18:23:13 <Tomek> ok, thanks a lot :) 18:27:33 <clokep_work> Tomek: Although...is it still producing broken history? 18:27:38 <clokep_work> Sounds like a pref might have been flipped then. 18:29:33 <Tomek> well, from that moment till now, new conversations with "old" contacts are inaccessible (nothing happens if I try show logs) 18:29:47 <Tomek> but I didnt try the deleting yet, must reboot 18:30:07 <clokep_work> OK 18:30:49 <Tomek> but I guess I will use the new unbroken linux history in the end :) 18:31:18 <clokep_work> You could just switch ot nightlies. ;) 18:32:11 <Tomek> well, in nightlies, contact list was a bit broken when I tried last time (a week ago?) 18:32:47 <Tomek> it wasnt using full vertical space and two scrollbar appeared (linux), is it known issue? 18:32:59 <Tomek> I have no screens though 18:35:04 <clokep_work> Tomek: No, that's not a known issue! 18:35:06 <clokep_work> Please file a bug. 18:35:23 <Tomek> I will asap 18:35:45 <Tomek> if it will be reproduceable 18:38:03 <Mic|web> Tomek: when was that? 18:38:49 <Tomek> about a week ago I guess, but I remember it appearing much earlier too 18:40:15 <Tomek> also contacts were a bit cut off (covered by white) on the lower side, as far as I remember... noticeable with letters like g, y, ... 18:40:34 <clokep_work> Please file ubgs on all these issues. :-/ 18:40:41 <clokep_work> Linux has a lot of variations. :( 18:40:50 <aleth> Screenshots would be helpful too. 18:40:59 <Tomek> I use openSUSE 12.1 with Gnome 3.2 18:41:15 <aleth> This could be interesting, I don't think anyone has tested the nightlies on gnome 3 18:41:28 <Tomek> Gnome 3 is not well tested I guess :-P 18:41:30 <aleth> So any feedback would help! 18:41:33 <Mic|web> I think I saw the bottom of contacts being cut off when trying different default font-sizes on Windows. Maybe something similar? 18:42:06 <aleth> Tomek: By the way, does the nightly tray icon look OK on gnome 3? That would also be good to know. 18:42:20 <Tomek> well, I just noticed it (cut contacts) on IB 1.1 here on linux... 18:42:42 <Tomek> it does :) 18:43:01 <aleth> On the latest nightly? Good :) 18:43:45 <Tomek> once happened taht the text wasn't clickable, just the icon, but I gess it was gnome bug not IB (it was while using live version) 18:44:06 <Tomek> and just once, even other time on live it was ok 18:44:21 <Tomek> not the latest, but i will try it :) 18:44:30 <aleth> Thanks! 18:45:22 <Tomek> Ill try immediatelly, just have to backup my profile ;) :-D 18:47:59 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 18:48:38 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 18:50:06 <Mic|web> bye 18:50:23 <-- Mic|web has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 18:51:00 * jwir3 is now known as jwir3|lunch 19:11:11 <-- BYK has quit (Ping timeout) 19:11:12 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 19:11:47 <Tomek> hi :) so, on latest nightly it seems the scrollbar issue is fixed 19:12:55 <Tomek> however, contacts are stil cut, so should I file that? isn't there somewhere a bug for it already? 19:13:03 <aleth> Better file it with screenshots 19:13:18 <-- jb1 has quit (Ping timeout) 19:13:19 <Tomek> sure 19:13:24 <aleth> Thanks! 19:13:59 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 19:17:42 <Tomek> and got another one, the close cross on the conversation tabs are also cut off, here just lower half is present... 19:17:44 --> BYK has joined #instantbird 19:17:57 <aleth> How strange :-/ 19:18:41 <aleth> And IB 1.1 doesn't have this problem? 19:19:04 <Tomek> I didn't notice, will look at it... 19:19:31 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:20:18 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 19:20:34 <Tomek> its ok on 1.1 19:20:48 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 19:21:07 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 19:21:09 <aleth> It's odd because there have been no changes to that I think 19:21:32 <aleth> Anyway, thanks for discovering those bugs before we release 1.2 ;) 19:21:41 <Tomek> hmm it seems to be just temporary, ok at nightly too now... 19:21:49 <aleth> The tray icon is OK? 19:22:01 <Tomek> yes 19:22:06 <aleth> Good. 19:22:28 <Tomek> at firts start, It the text part was unclickable as I mentioned before, but now it is just ok 19:22:54 <Tomek> I'll try deleting profile and trying again... 19:23:03 <clokep_work> aleth: There was a big change. ;) 19:23:07 <clokep_work> We're on Mozilla 11 now. 19:24:00 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1351 to FIXED. 19:24:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1351 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Tray icon missing after moz11 update 19:24:07 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:24:29 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes, but you'd expect them to improve things like that, not make them worse ;) 19:25:45 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 19:26:40 <clokep_work> Yes, you'd think... 19:26:52 <Tomek> well, the tray icon isn't absolutely ok... but that's something I've seen also with other programs 19:27:12 <aleth> Gah. And I just resolved it :-/ 19:27:28 <aleth> Could you add a screenshot to that bug above? (bug 1351) 19:27:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1351 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Tray icon missing after moz11 update 19:27:33 <Tomek> context menu is partially hidden behind the icon with text in tray 19:27:53 <Tomek> it isn't readable (quit), but still clickable.. 19:27:57 <aleth> Strange 19:28:43 <Tomek> I have seen it somewhere else too, but all gnome native programs are ok with it, the context menu is just a bit pulled up 19:29:17 <aleth> IB is a gtk app though, so fairly gnome-native ;-/ 19:29:53 <Tomek> and rhythmbox for example has entirely gnome3-like dark context menu, but I guess it's just speciall case 19:30:29 <Tomek> banshee has that similar to IB, just not hidden behind, it's a bit higher placed 19:30:40 <Tomek> still talking about the tray context menu 19:30:50 <aleth> It's possible rhythmbox is built against gnome 3 libraries 19:30:55 <aleth> I really don't know 19:31:07 <Tomek> it's not important for sure 19:31:32 <aleth> Still, screenshots would be very useful. Since this hasn't got anything to do with the icon itself, maybe it should be a new bug after all 19:31:42 <aleth> ^^ just so we can track it 19:32:20 <Tomek> but I think that context menu placement would be hard one... 19:32:31 <Tomek> I have no idea what could affect it :-D 19:32:58 <Tomek> I was suprised when I noticed that some programs are ok with it and some are problematic 19:33:27 <clokep_work> Tomek: I'm pretty sure we like place it manually somehow in the mintrayr code... 19:33:53 <aleth> And we place it over the tray. And maybe gnome 3 doesn't allow that 19:34:18 * aleth mutters something about tray icons 19:34:18 <Tomek> possibly, I've seen none context menu over it 19:35:00 <clokep_work> aleth: Understanding my opinion on tray icons now? 19:36:52 <-- BYK has quit (Ping timeout) 19:38:14 * jwir3|lunch is now known as jwir3 19:38:27 <Tomek> hmm strange... I cant make screenshots with the banshee tray context menu up :-D 19:38:45 <Tomek> I will take it with mobile phone :-P 19:38:48 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 19:39:52 <aleth> One more thing: When you right-click on the IB tray icon, does a corner of the context menu appear *exactly* where you click or not? 19:40:57 <aleth> (I mean, obviously you can't see the corner, because it's hidden, but...) 19:41:34 <clokep_work> Wondering if we position it based on click? 19:41:44 <aleth> We do, I think. 19:41:59 <aleth> (haven't checked though) 19:43:27 --> BYK has joined #instantbird 19:46:07 <Tomek> everywhere the context menu seems to be under the pointer, but in tray there is not enough place... 19:46:35 <Tomek> could altering this cause problems somewhere else? 19:46:45 <aleth> Tomek: I mean, click once with the mouse pushing against the top of the tray bar, and a second time at the bottom of the tray bar, is there a difference? 19:46:59 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:47:25 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 19:47:40 <Tomek> oh... I just accidentaly quit while trying 19:48:37 <Tomek> cecond click on the tray while context menu is open causes quit cauce it is just under it and the tray is clickable through 19:48:49 <Tomek> nothing changes, still in the corner 19:49:09 <aleth> Oh, I didn't mean the second click while the context menu is already open, sorry 19:49:16 <Tomek> well, I managed once 19:49:33 <Tomek> that it was all placed higher 19:49:42 <aleth> Click once, then make the context menu go away, then try again with the mouse pointing further down 19:50:01 <aleth> OK, so the positioning of the context menu does depend on where you click to make it appear 19:50:04 <Tomek> when clicked on the top pixels of the _icon_ 19:50:22 <aleth> Sure. You just can't see the bit of it covered by the tray. 19:50:32 <Tomek> but just few pixels down and it is again in the corner 19:50:59 <aleth> I'm not sure I am picturing it right... Hard to tell 19:51:35 <Tomek> when clicking the text, all is the same, on the top half of the icon, it seems to be depending on the cursor position 19:51:45 <Tomek> will make more screens :-D 19:51:49 <aleth> OK. That makes sense. :) 19:52:09 <aleth> well, at least I hope it does... 19:53:01 <clokep_work> Can you file a new bug for this actually? It doesn't seem related... 19:53:43 <aleth> Yes, it's definitely not related to anything we've had before I think. 19:53:58 <aleth> New with gnome 3, yay 19:54:26 <aleth> Who knows what it does with unity, that's gnome3 under the hood 19:56:03 <Tomek> hmm the context menu is invisible while invoked by click on the icon part and moving cursor at least a tiniest bit (so the menu item is highlighted), strange :-D but when not moving at all, i can take them 20:05:39 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 20:05:54 <-- mikk_s has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 20:13:06 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 20:14:45 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1232 to WORKSFORME. 20:14:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1232 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Google Talk (gtalk) account default configuration doesn't work 20:16:57 <clokep_work> bug 868 confuses me. :-S flo's comment seems to have nothing to do w/ the bug... 20:17:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=868 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, no way to change the spellcheck dictionary 20:18:26 --> flo has joined #instantbird 20:18:26 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 20:19:23 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 20:23:23 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:29:39 <flo> clokep_work: so you think I'm writing comments that have nothing to do with the bugs? 20:30:47 <flo> clokep_work: that bug is that you can't change the spellchecker dictionary from the textbox's context menu until you have more than one dictionary installed, so basically we would need to add an easy way to add more dictionaries from the textbox context menu 20:31:03 <clokep_work> Right...I understood that part. 20:31:10 <clokep_work> Seems like you were saying we shold make it restartless too. ;) 20:31:16 <flo> but if you are interested in changing the language for the textbox you are currently typing in; installing a dictionary and having to restart is definitely not helpful 20:31:17 <clokep_work> Which is related, but not really the same bug. 20:31:42 <clokep_work> Hmm...I see. 20:31:46 <clokep_work> So it's confirmed then? 20:31:59 <flo> because what you want is sending the damn message, after the spelling is fixed! :) 20:32:20 <clokep_work> Not from what I've seen! People just let the spelling mistakes go. :( 20:32:34 <flo> I wonder if dictionaries haven't been made restartless in recent mozillas 20:35:35 <clokep_work> I doubt it. 20:35:45 <clokep_work> l10n gets no love. 20:38:52 <flo> clokep_work: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591780 target milestone: Mozilla 10 \o/ 20:41:29 <clokep_work> Ah, nice! :) 20:44:22 <clokep_work> Looks like another bug for a rainy afternoon then? ;) 20:44:48 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:45:47 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 20:49:07 <flo> I already took care of that stupid libpurple crasher, that's enough rain for a while ;) 20:49:48 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 20:53:55 <flo> ah, bug 1347 (which seemed invalid) really looks like the mozilla bug you linked to (which is definitely valid) 20:53:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1347 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, XMPP doesn't accept proxy settings 20:54:08 <flo> the user who reported that bug is just very confused 21:07:19 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 21:11:04 <-- BYK has quit (Ping timeout) 21:14:35 --> BYK has joined #instantbird 21:14:40 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 21:14:43 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:15:26 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 21:38:28 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1382 filed by tomaskom.cz@seznam.cz. 21:38:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1382 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Linux (Gnome 3) tray context menu 21:40:30 <aleth> Thanks Tomek, that's very complete :) 21:44:40 <aleth> Looks like gnome 3 has something like ubuntu's app indicator menus now... 21:45:03 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1383 filed by tomaskom.cz@seznam.cz. 21:45:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1383 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Contacts being cut a bit from the lower side 21:48:25 <Tomek> Should I mention in comment some details about the environment, like that the tray bar is hidden and shows up only in overview or when bottom-right hot corner is triggered? or is it irrelevant? 21:48:58 <Tomek> because I guess not much people have experience with it yet 21:49:10 <aleth> I don't know, maybe leave it for now, and if there are questions we can ask via the bug 21:49:21 <Tomek> ok 21:50:24 <aleth> Tomek: One thing it would be interesting to try regarding the last bug: If you change the default gnome font to Sans serif or Bitstream Vera Sans (rather than the default Cantarell) and then restart the nightly, is the contact list better? 21:50:49 <aleth> Just to figure out if it's something to do with the new gnome font... 21:52:48 <Tomek> hmm none of those are installed here :-\ 21:53:15 <aleth> Oh strange. Droid Sans or Lucida grande maybe? Not even just Sans? 21:54:46 <Tomek> seems a tiny bit better, but still g and such are cut (Droid Sans) 21:55:02 <Tomek> no need to restart btw, it changed immediatelly 21:55:20 <aleth> Oh well, it was worth a try... 21:56:18 <Tomek> also all contacts are a little bit smaller with it, while I have more of them it is very noticeable that it spared some place 21:56:34 <aleth> There are often small differences between fonts 21:56:41 <aleth> Does changing the font size help? 21:56:47 <Tomek> so it scales somehow well, but not enough 21:56:53 <aleth> (just trying to narrow down the issue) 21:57:50 <Tomek> well the more I enlarge the text, the worse it is, at 15 (default is 11) half of the text is away 21:57:58 <aleth> :( 21:58:10 <aleth> And at 10 or 8, is it OK then? 21:58:34 <Tomek> with 9 and Cantarell it's ok 21:58:47 <Tomek> 10 not 21:59:08 <aleth> Seems like it is not quite getting the right vertical size... 21:59:11 <flo> on your screenshot the "Available" text of the status selector is also mis aligned 21:59:49 <flo> the root cause for these issues is that we are mixing improperly sizes that are in px and sizes that are in em (proportional to the current font size) 22:00:12 <aleth> That could be it. 22:00:35 <flo> and I'm afraid fixing that is a lot of tedious work 22:00:38 <aleth> But if that was the only cause you shouldbe able to reproduce it on OSX 22:00:45 <Tomek> seems like ALL the text (except group headers) is misaligned 22:00:54 <flo> aleth: if there's a way to change the default font size, yes 22:01:44 <flo> aleth: I think it's quite easy to reproduce on Windows with the "large fonts" setting (and I think Mic even said that earlier today) 22:02:15 <aleth> OK. Yes, I suspect that would be a lot of work to fix :( 22:02:44 <aleth> I'm just surprised it hasn't been filed before then. 22:03:47 <flo> aleth: bug 416 maybe? 22:03:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=416 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fixed size dialogs/windows and "large fonts" on Windows XP 22:04:07 <flo> ah, no 22:05:32 <flo> aleth: it's bug 935 22:05:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=935 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, User Interface Problems With Scaled DPI Settings 22:06:43 <aleth> Right, there it is... not sure if that warrants a :) or :( 22:07:09 <flo> and it already had a dup 22:08:16 <flo> aleth: does it warrant someone spending a rainy afternoon on it? ;) 22:10:07 <aleth> These things are painful... 22:10:33 <aleth> It got a bit more urgent if it affects the default gnome setup though :-/ 22:12:05 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 22:12:47 <aleth> Tomek: You are using the default gnome 3 font sizes? 22:13:04 <Tomek> yes 22:13:09 <aleth> 11 is kinda big I would have thought... 22:13:22 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1383 to DUPLICATE of bug 935. 22:13:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1383 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Contacts being cut a bit from the lower side 22:13:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=935 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, User Interface Problems With Scaled DPI Settings 22:13:27 <Tomek> also the screenshots are taken with the default ones 22:13:33 <aleth> Thanks 22:13:50 <Tomek> believe it or not, 11 seems really adequate size 22:13:59 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 22:14:44 <aleth> I'm sure they chose what goes well with the rest of the design ;) 22:15:11 <aleth> It's just larger than what has usually been the default size in the past. 22:21:26 <flo> Good night 22:21:27 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 22:22:07 <Tomek> I'm also gonna sleep... Good night and good luck :) 22:24:25 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 22:31:46 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 1.1.19/2010030105]) 22:40:18 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:40:18 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 22:52:10 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 22:56:02 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 23:11:44 <-- sonny has quit (No route to host) 23:11:44 --> sonnz has joined #instantbird 23:32:44 <-- sonnz has quit (Client exited) 23:33:47 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 23:51:41 <-- pvagner has quit (Ping timeout)