#instantbird log on 04 13 2012

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00:01:01 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/9562d0640b13 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1373 - CTCP ERRMSG is handled poorly, r=fqueze.
00:01:02 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b9b845b38806 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1305 - /mode messages don't work on JS-IRC, r=fqueze.
00:01:03 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/15406843dd0d - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1372 - QUIT command with no message causes an error, r=fqueze.
00:01:04 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/bd43e9c70bc3 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1306 - Joining a password protected IRC channel via password set in autojoin doesn't work with JS-IRC, r=aleth.
00:01:05 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/81717e6f64bd - aleth - Bug 1321 - Display name is lower case for IRC DMs, r=clokep,fqueze.
00:01:06 <Mook_as> going to start #closedwebapps instead? :p
00:01:07 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/79b70d96f53a - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1326 - Stop trying to send the action command if an empty message is given, r=aleth.
00:01:08 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3d7c0b70b6a1 - aleth - Bug 860 - Add reading position marker line to conversation, r=fqueze.
00:01:23 <aleth> Did you miss the section scroll one or are you waiting on that one?
00:01:27 <clokep> Tomorrow's nightly will be a whole new application. ;)
00:01:52 <aleth> Tomorrows 1.2-wanted list will be a whole lot shorter too :)
00:02:51 <clokep> Yup!
00:03:26 <flo> Mook_as: #openxulapps! ;)
00:03:43 <Mook_as> oh, #redheadedstepchild
00:04:06 <flo> aleth: I need to be less tired to understand that one + I want to spend some time trying it/playing with it
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00:04:49 <flo> good night!
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00:05:54 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1373 to FIXED.
00:05:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1373 min, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, CTCP ERRMSG is handled poorly
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00:06:45 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1305 to FIXED.
00:06:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1305 nor, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, /mode messages don't work on JS-IRC
00:07:25 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1372 to FIXED.
00:07:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1372 tri, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, QUIT command with no message causes an error.
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00:08:26 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1306 to FIXED.
00:08:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1306 nor, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Joining a password protected IRC channel via password set in autojoin doesn't work from Feb 28 night
00:09:47 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1321 to FIXED.
00:09:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1321 min, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Display name is lower case for IRC DMs
00:10:28 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1326 to FIXED.
00:10:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1326 min, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, " ERRMSG action :Unhandled CTCP command " from some users with empty /me on IRC
00:11:34 <aleth> Quite a lot of closing there too... ;) Thanks
00:11:39 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 860 to FIXED.
00:11:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=860 nor, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Add reading position marker line to conversations
00:12:18 <clokep> Looks like all the known regressions from bug 507 are fixed. :)
00:12:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507 enh, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Implement IRC in JavaScript
00:12:30 <aleth> \ o /
00:12:41 <aleth> Well, almost
00:13:02 <aleth> There's that vexing 401 error message :-/
00:13:37 <clokep> Ah, yes. :(
00:13:42 <clokep> What bug is that? It should block 507.
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00:14:19 <aleth> 1366, 1353
00:14:23 <gkw> clokep: hi
00:14:34 <clokep> Hello gkw.
00:14:43 <gkw> clokep: thanks for landing https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1306, i look forward to tomorrow's Instantbird nightly
00:14:50 <instantbot> Bug 1306 nor, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Joining a password protected IRC channel via password set in autojoin doesn't work from Feb 28 night
00:14:54 <gkw> clokep: when will it land on TB?
00:15:17 <clokep> gkw: When we resync the trees. :-/ There's been some emailing back and forth about how to do that, but no real solution yet.
00:15:30 <gkw> clokep: is there a bug for that?
00:15:48 <clokep> No.
00:16:02 <clokep> Are you on Thunderbird Daily builds?
00:16:31 <gkw> clokep: i'm using Instantbird standalone
00:16:39 <gkw> clokep: for IRC
00:17:04 <gkw> clokep: i may consider moving IRC to TB but only when this bug is fixed in TB's Instantbird code
00:17:31 <clokep> Ah, OK. Well...depending what version of Thunderbird you run (Daily, Earlybird, Beta or release) it might be a while. :)
00:18:10 <gkw> clokep: i'm using TB Daily. :)
00:18:29 <clokep> Haha, OK! :) Hopefully in the next couple of weeks. :-X
00:20:04 <clokep> aleth: Were you looking at handling channel modes? If not I might look at it after I finish ironing...
00:20:46 <aleth> No, I was just asking because of the bug closing.
00:22:01 <clokep> OK! :)
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00:25:34 <aleth> Whoa, bugspam!
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00:26:58 <instant-buildbot> build #241 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/241
00:28:15 <clokep> :)
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00:50:46 <clokep> Uhh...are these two lines the same? http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/conv.xml#107 and 108? :-S
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01:48:17 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1341 on bug 318.
01:48:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Check if topic on IRC channels is editable and make UI respond accordingly
01:51:10 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1342 on bug 1305.
01:51:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1305 nor, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, /mode messages don't work on JS-IRC
01:51:31 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 1305.
01:53:31 <clokep> I hate finding bugs right after something is checked in. :(
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02:06:31 <instant-buildbot> build #209 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/209
02:10:01 <instant-buildbot> build #230 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/230
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05:44:29 <instant-buildbot> build #462 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/462
06:03:05 <instant-buildbot> build #451 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/451
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07:30:45 <Mic> Good morning
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07:50:46 <Mic> instantbot: ping
07:50:48 <instantbot> Mic: pong
07:52:25 <Mic> instantbot: test2
07:52:28 <instantbot> Mic: Sorry, I've no idea what 'test2' might be.
07:52:47 <Mic> hmm, IRC commands and opening new conversations seem to be broken in todays nightly :(
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08:21:18 <Mic> aleth: the unread ruler is niiice :)
08:22:52 <Mic> One thing thing that surprised me was that it didn't appear between context and content messages when restoring a conversation from hold.
08:23:20 <Mic> Maybe conext messages just don't look different enough at the moment (and that's why I looked for the line?)
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08:32:03 <aleth> Oh no, I have caused some IRC error messages :(
08:34:09 <aleth> and some breakage :(
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08:47:51 <aleth> This is the obvious fix http://pastebin.instantbird.com/28007
08:47:57 <aleth> Please check it in!
08:48:04 <aleth> Sorry :S
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08:49:09 <aleth> Mic: Yes, that was intentional, that it doesn't appear above context messages.
08:53:35 <Mic> I guess it's a bit late but why did you style the background with a gradient here? http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3d7c0b70b6a1#l5.7
08:54:03 <Mic> Shouldn't border colors have been good enough for that?
08:55:21 <aleth> You'd need different border colours for top and bottom? But yeah, there might well be a better way to do it, I don't really know my way around CSS.
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08:56:20 <Mic> I can change that if it's wanted
08:56:35 <Mic> The dashed red line looks nice too, btw :)
08:56:55 <Mic> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/border-top-color btw
08:57:06 <flo> hello :)
08:57:16 <Mic> Hi flo!
08:57:18 <aleth> Might be worth doing, maybe with the message style CSS improvement patch you were working on?
08:57:24 <aleth> Hi :)
08:57:59 <aleth> Mic: Ha, I had no idea you could set different colours there.
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08:58:49 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/28007 feels like a patch hasn't been really tested :-/
08:59:47 <aleth> flo: I'm using that pastebin now, but yeah, that was a last minute change that never got tested for some reason :(
08:59:50 <flo> if you are in the mind of tweaking CSS, all the border rules at http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3d7c0b70b6a1#l2.11 could probably be combined into a single rule
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09:01:05 <flo> I hope nobody will try to send me private IRC messages today :-/
09:02:19 <aleth> Is it worth triggering a rebuild?
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09:02:42 <flo> all the builders are offline anyway :(
09:02:52 <flo> but maybe we should stop the update
09:03:27 <aleth> Probably.
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09:05:47 <aleth> That shouldn't have slipped through :(
09:07:05 <flo> yeah, automated test, ...
09:07:07 <flo> *tests
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09:09:43 <flo> updates disabled
09:10:49 <aleth> Sorry about that. I thought I had tested the final changes...
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09:11:55 <flo> aleth: mistakes happen, it's ok... (+ the reviewer has half the responsibility ;))
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09:13:00 <aleth> At least the unread ruler is working :) modulo some CSS efficiency tuning ;)
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09:34:31 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1374 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
09:34:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1374 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Allow message styles to react to switching to a tab with unread messages
09:41:31 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ff06c4e90002 - aleth - Bug 1321 - Follow-up to 81717e6f64bd to fix some bustage when opening a private IRC conversation, r=fqueze.
09:41:40 <Mic> Good idea, even though I don't like the attribute-name
09:41:41 <Mic> bbl
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09:42:26 <aleth> Mic: I agree, if you have a better one please add it!
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09:53:58 <aleth> Wiki updated https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Message_Styles:Differences_with_Adium
09:54:47 <flo> aleth: thanks! :)
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10:20:28 <clokep> :( Yes, that's half (if not more) my fault aleth. I should have caught that.
10:21:11 <flo> I r+'ed it too, so if it's half the fault of 3 people, there's something strange ;)
10:21:54 <flo> those aurora approvals and landing are such a waste of time :(
10:23:38 * clokep feels like he needs to file an ib bug about upgrading to Moz 12, just so he can link to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740502
10:24:18 <flo> that's the charset one?
10:25:24 <clokep> Yes
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10:29:14 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1339 on bug 1357.
10:29:15 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1344 on bug 1357.
10:29:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1357 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, NEW, Add unread ruler to section scroll
10:31:15 * aleth is confused about whether maximal or minimal describes it better :-/
10:34:57 * clokep shrugs.
10:36:18 <clokep> Just make sure its clear.
10:36:40 <flo> it's not ;). That code is never clear :(
10:37:01 * clokep stays away from UI code. ;)
10:37:07 <flo> it's as difficult to understand as the magic textbox code :(
10:37:40 <flo> (although I think after 2 or 3 rewrites the textbox code got relatively reasonable)
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10:39:47 <iLobster> Greetings
10:39:50 <clokep> I'd say "Sounds like parts of the IRC code!"
10:40:03 <clokep> But...yeah it's fairly readable compared to the libpurple code I think. :)
10:40:28 <iLobster> Anyone using ICQ in Instantbird?
10:40:40 <flo> iLobster: I would assume you do ;).
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10:41:28 <clokep> Define "using" :P
10:41:32 <flo> so if I want a private IRC conversation I have to use Thunderbird, right?
10:41:33 <clokep> I have an account and I connect....
10:41:45 <clokep> Probably.
10:42:03 <clokep> Ah-ha! I see we now have Even 1 again instead of the imposter Eveo!
10:42:48 <aleth> ^^ and a bug in Show Nick
10:42:51 <flo> if the space was meant to not ping, that seems like a failure ;)
10:42:54 <iLobster> clokep: hmm... sending and recieving messages via ICQ protocol?
10:43:14 <aleth> ah, there was a space, sorry 
10:43:44 <clokep> flo: Yeah well I assume he ignores pings to even. :)
10:43:46 <Mic> clokep: I use ICQ
10:43:51 <clokep> iLobster: I don't really use it, no.
10:44:07 <flo> iLobster: I also have an ICQ account (just to check that it can still connect), but I've never known anybody in real life using one, so I never exchange messages or see online contacts with it
10:44:18 <iLobster> i'm asking becouse there is problem with it (ICQ) for me
10:44:53 * clokep is having a problem w/ AIM on occasion...
10:46:10 <flo> aleth: there's still a i-- in that patch
10:46:30 <iLobster> when i stay logged to ICQ account for some time (hour or few hours) and try to send message to another ICQ user i see that message is sended but that user not recieve my message
10:46:34 <flo> and the let section = comment could have applied for the scrollToPreviousSection case too
10:46:42 <clokep> Same behavior I'm seeing...
10:46:47 <flo> but that doesn't feel like it's worth attaching another diff now
10:46:59 <aleth> flo: I might as well
10:47:01 <flo> I'll try it anyway
10:47:20 <flo> aleth: what does "+          // Must be greater than this.clientHeight / 2 (i.e. in the bottom half)." mean?
10:47:22 <aleth> The let section = ... was purely a style thing, right? It doesn
10:47:31 <aleth> t actually add any efficiency?
10:47:43 <flo> it's just removing some duplication
10:48:17 <flo> but yeah, I would hope the JIT compiler does that optimization automatically
10:48:29 <iLobster> and when i try to reconnect to ICQ account after this problem without restarting Instantbird i can not connect to ICQ again
10:48:37 <flo> and even if it doesn't, that doesn't mater, it's not like if that code was going to be executed dozens of times in a loop :)
10:49:14 <aleth> flo: It means that the section scroll code implicitly assumes that its value is greater than this.clientHeight / 2. This invisible dividing line so to speak has to be in the bottom half of the client window
10:50:05 <flo> I'm still confused
10:50:13 <flo> what "must be greater"?
10:50:13 <clokep> iLobster: Yes, I'm seeing similar issues with AIM...which probably means it's a problem in the oscar code. :(
10:50:20 * clokep needs to go to work though.
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10:50:44 <aleth> flo: this._maximalSectionOffset
10:51:37 <flo> ah, did you mean "The 3/4 constant is arbitrary, but that value has to be greater than 1/2." ?
10:51:45 <aleth> Yes! 
10:52:05 <flo> :)
10:52:32 <flo> ok, then that comment was really confusing
10:53:34 <aleth> Changed.
10:53:37 <iLobster> clockep: but other IMs work without such issues (at least trillian, qip, miranda)
10:54:17 <iLobster> *clokep
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11:26:43 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1344 on bug 1357.
11:26:44 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1345 on bug 1357.
11:26:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1357 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, NEW, Add unread ruler to section scroll
11:27:12 <clokep_work> iLobster: Right, as I said. It sounds like there's an issue with the oscar code. We have a bug open...one second.
11:28:07 <clokep_work> bug 1361
11:28:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1361 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, AIM buddy is not receiving my messages
11:45:23 <clokep_work> At this rate we'll clean out that bug list fast! ;)
11:46:02 * Mic benchmarked ++i vs i++ in for loops and there's no difference.
11:46:22 <aleth> It would be disappointing if there was.
11:48:05 <Mic> Now we know that it is really only coding style nits ;)
11:48:51 <clokep_work> Mic: I had a long argument about work about this a couple of days ago. :(
11:50:32 <Mic> clokep_work: with what result?
11:50:47 <Mic> (and/or why)
11:51:10 <clokep_work> With the result that I'll keep using ++i when it's appropriate to and no one else will. ;)
11:51:55 <clokep_work> Why? Because I had cleaned up some code and changed some incrementing stuff to use prefixed ++, and someone wasn't happy with that. And then was arguing that all known compilers optimize that anyway.
11:52:07 * clokep_work doesn't like to have a compiler optimize when you can do it yourself easily enough.
11:59:47 <Mic> Can you use /me again? It's missing your name in this last bubble for me and unfortunately I cleared my error console already :(
12:00:23 * clokep_work wooo
12:01:01 * clokep_work points his finger at aleth. ;)
12:01:09 <clokep_work> Although I have no idea, it's possible I broke something too. :(
12:01:24 * aleth tests this
12:01:48 <aleth> I don't see anything wrong?
12:02:13 <clokep_work> Ah, well maybe Mic has a crazy patch going on then.
12:02:13 <aleth> But then I am on an IB which has patched this morning's breakage
12:02:41 <aleth> Just "/me" works well now.
12:02:57 <aleth> You get the help message as expected.
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12:04:03 <Mic> ah, it's there now where it (as I think?) wasn't before?! Am I going mad now or is something very strange going on?
12:04:16 <Mic> I closed the conversation in the meantime though..
12:07:11 <clokep_work> Mic: I have a feeling you're going crazy, yes. ;)
12:07:24 <clokep_work> aleth: Btw Mibbit is becoming unusable for me...the tab complete behavior is awful.
12:08:42 <aleth> Heh :)
12:09:00 <aleth> Didn't you say you only needed to set up a ssh tunnel to use IB?
12:11:09 <clokep_work> Yes. I need to install a VM on my old laptop first.
12:15:44 <aleth> And then you have to keep it running all day?
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12:16:31 <Keso> hi
12:16:37 <clokep_work> Yeah, that doesn't bother me much though.
12:16:55 <clokep_work> Hello Keso.
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12:32:36 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1375 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
12:32:37 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from benediktp@ymail.com  for attachment 1346 on bug 1375.
12:32:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1375 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Followup: Unread ruler CSS improvements
12:35:26 <flo> aleth: is a difference of margin of 1px really enough to center the ruler between the 2 bubbles?
12:37:22 <aleth> flo: It appears so to me. But it won't always be perfect because the Bubbles code adds a dynamically adjusted space underneath as time passes.
12:38:14 <flo> ah, yes, it seems difficult to have something perfect in that case :-/
12:40:07 <aleth> This change at least gets it right if the next message follows more or less immediately, I think.
12:42:50 <flo> what happens when there was more than 5 minutes?
12:43:08 <flo> is the "5 minutes X seconds" text before or after the ruler?
12:43:17 <aleth> You'll get that after the ruler.
12:43:26 <clokep_work> (Which makes sense, right?)
12:43:58 <Mic> bye
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12:57:40 <flo> random idea (maybe stupid): an add-on watching what appears in the error console, and displaying in the status bar of the conversation window the error count and the first line of the newest JS error
13:00:20 <clokep_work> I thought of something similar (well I was thinking, for IRC, to just actually send me a message whenever an error occurs).
13:01:15 * flo looks at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742235 again and already wants to close that tab :(
13:02:21 <aleth> Didn't you outsource the TB message style to someone else?
13:02:48 <flo> right
13:03:10 <flo> but if chat is unusable (for any reason), I'm the one who gets blamed for it ;)
13:03:12 <clokep_work> But it's still the user facing bit of all of the code, so you want it to look good
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13:03:30 <aleth> Sure.
13:05:53 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(benediktp@ymail.com ) for attachment 1346 on bug 1375.
13:05:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1375 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Followup: Unread ruler CSS improvements
13:07:34 <clokep_work> flo: I'm surprised there aren't more "OMGZ IRC doesn't look like a terminal ahhhhhhh!" bugs...
13:08:19 <flo> clokep_work: :)
13:08:51 <clokep_work> Now...why people feel IRC needs to look like a terminal I'll never understand I'm afriad. :(
13:09:19 <Keso> clokep_work: it's old school who are using irc
13:09:51 <flo> clokep_work: if you fix all the reasons to complain of French people, they will complain about the lack of reasons for complaining, so don't worry too much ;)
13:09:52 <Mic> aleth: is there a new attachment coming? I'm currently looking at 1346.
13:09:59 <Keso> clokep_work: and for me, bubbles and similar frames etc is just waste of space
13:10:36 <aleth> Mic: yes, but if you have any comments please add them
13:10:52 <clokep_work> Keso: Those aren't valid reasons.
13:10:52 <Mic> OK, give me two minutes then
13:11:03 <clokep_work> "Bubbles is a waste of space" doesn't mean it needs to look like a shitty terminal.
13:11:28 <clokep_work> (Yes, I agree it takes up more space, but you can still make it look /nice/.)
13:12:09 <Keso> clokep_work: I'm using simple theme in instantbird and it's just enough for me, but I came from unix terminal env :)
13:12:12 <aleth> Mic: I'm going to add a clause to the JS so that it doesn't add a time bubble margin after an unread ruler.
13:13:07 <flo> aleth: will it be able to add it back when removing the ruler?
13:15:33 <aleth> flo: No. That would be the drawback, and it's why I'm not sure about the change yet.
13:19:48 <clokep_work> I don't think it's necessary to not add one.
13:20:03 <aleth> I think there may be a solution anyway.
13:20:31 <clokep_work> Keso: Yes, using the simple theme is fine. I'm talking about people actually asking for terminal themes. And it doesn't matter if you come from a Unix terminal environment IMO. I used DOS for years before windows, but I don't prefer that over a nice visualization.
13:22:17 <Keso> clokep_work: maybe I don't know what's "terminal theme" because over the years terminals are no longer green on dark
13:22:18 <aleth> I suspect it might go with how some people just associate a "pro" look with a certain amount of impenetrable UI (liking cryptic counters like {0: 14|4} where you have to know what that means...)
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13:27:45 <clokep_work> Keso: Fixed width font, usually two colors that differ greatly (black on white, white on black, etc.), using text markers instead of icons, things like that.
13:27:53 <clokep_work> Simple != terminal.
13:29:12 * flo should create a terminal theme :-P
13:29:27 <flo> clokep_work: did you know that I wanted to have one in the default set originally? :-D
13:29:30 * clokep_work bonks flo.
13:29:41 <Mic> We should show the channel name like this "#instantbird [+ntr]", so people know at a glance what modes are that.
13:29:58 <Mic> That's important. It is known! ;)
13:30:07 <Keso> clokep_work: well, simple theme is just like that, only setup fixed with font
13:30:37 <flo> Keso: right, Simple with a fixed width font is almost a terminal theme
13:31:19 <clokep_work> Keso: So what actually annoys me is not that someone wants to use that...but that they want to use it /only/ for IRC.
13:31:25 <clokep_work> Does that difference make sense?
13:31:48 <aleth> flo: and there is this style, that someone asked me about https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/126 yesterday ;)
13:32:30 <Keso> clokep_work: aha, that's what I don't understand, because I\m using one client for all IM to have equal look & feel for all of them. If I don't want same look&feel I can use another client
13:32:40 <aleth> flo: It's just people not on nightlies can't set the font.
13:32:58 <clokep_work> Keso: Yeah, sorry. I wasn't clear about that. Exactly though -- they're all just messages, who cares where they come from?
13:34:42 <clokep_work> If I compile something with -UsomeDefinedConstant, will that propagate to things I #include?
13:35:12 <flo> clokep_work: right, "use it /only/ for IRC." is stupid ;)
13:36:35 <flo> clokep_work: I don't know -U, sorry :-/
13:37:24 <aleth> me
13:38:00 <clokep_work> flo: It's undefine.
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13:42:39 <flo> I wonder what we need to edit to make the section titles in http://blog.instantbird.org/2011/06/introducing-time-bubbles/ not so ridiculously small
13:52:28 <clokep_work> Bah we should put up another blog post too. :(
13:55:08 <flo> that doesn't look exactly right: http://i.imgur.com/Se5Lh.png :(
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13:56:26 <clokep_work> How does that normally look? The time is centered between the two?
13:56:34 <flo> yes
13:56:40 * clokep_work wonders if the hr should be /behind/ the text.
13:56:40 <aleth> flo: Yes :( I'll take a look at the margin issue when I get a chance. 
13:57:00 <clokep_work> I.e. it would be "------------------- 9 minutes, 37 seconds -----------------"
13:57:10 <flo> that could be nice :)
13:57:20 * aleth dislikes lines split by text
13:57:29 <aleth> It won't work well when there are system messages too 
13:57:48 <flo> system messages are in real bubbles, so I don't see how that's relevant
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13:58:33 <aleth> Maybe.
13:59:04 <aleth> They don't count as "new unread messages"
13:59:56 <clokep_work> Could be interesting to see how it looks, if it isn't an absurd amount of work.
14:00:41 <aleth> I do the margins first and then maybe...
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14:04:28 <aleth> The combination of no auto-reconnect for chatrooms and no error message on sending into the void is not ideal.
14:05:15 <clokep_work> :(
14:05:24 <clokep_work> I know. I'll look at that soon.
14:22:50 <aleth> next
14:23:01 <aleth> oops
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14:42:12 <clokep_work> flo: Are you having fun doing the same commits over and over again? :P
14:43:00 <flo> are you saying that because of the 2 newer approval-comm-aurora+ emails?
14:43:10 <flo> or because of the check-ins I've already done this afternoon? :-P
14:44:28 <flo> I'm reading the xmpp specs around vcards and avatar
14:46:29 <flo> I'm seeing Error: aContactB is undefined Source File: chrome://instantbird/content/group.xml  Line: 225 errors again :(
14:47:25 <clokep_work> flo: The emails. :)
14:47:37 <clokep_work> Btw I still randomly see errors about aContactA / aContactB not existing. :(
14:47:47 <clokep_work> And the title of private conversations still seems wrong to me...
14:48:03 <clokep_work> I should file these bugs. :(
14:48:08 <clokep_work> I just never have STR...
14:50:47 <flo> which private conversations?
14:50:53 <flo> it's hard to have a private IRC conversation today ;)
14:51:42 <clokep_work> flo: Any conversation I have with a contact w/ multiple merged contacts & I'm talking to not the "preferred" contact (the "preferred" contact's name is always shown).
14:52:03 <clokep_work> (To test, you can make a contact out of my gtalk and IRC if you want...I can sign into gtalk if need be.)
14:52:25 <flo> ah, that kind of "wrong" :(
14:54:10 <clokep_work> I can almost /swear/ it wasn't that way in 1.1.
14:54:13 <clokep_work> But I don't remember. :(
14:54:31 <flo> with "almost" there's no real risk of being wrong ;)
14:54:38 <clokep_work> (By the way, you wanted to release more often? When I set up SSH I'm going to use release builds at work...so I'll bug you when there's features I want. :P)
14:55:12 <flo> you really mean you are going to use 1.1? :-D
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14:56:02 <clokep_work> Yup.
14:56:15 <flo> seems like a strange idea
14:56:25 <flo> but I guess that will make *you* release more often :-P
14:56:32 <clokep_work> :P
14:56:47 <clokep_work> Well I'll probably get bored of it after like 3 days and go "dammit" and download the nightly. ;)
14:57:39 <flo> it's very difficult to keep using a version that contains bugs we know we have fixed ourselves ;)
14:59:54 <clokep_work> Probably. :)
14:59:58 <clokep_work> I guess I should file a bug on that issue...
15:00:12 <flo> "release more often" :)
15:01:32 <clokep_work> Not that issue. :P
15:02:58 <flo> another way to phrase it could be "trunk/nightlies should never be in a state that requires more than a week of work before it's releasable"
15:04:36 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1376 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
15:04:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1376 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tab text is wrong for a merge contact
15:04:43 <clokep_work> Yes. :( Which wasn't true when we landed XMPP or IRC I think.
15:05:35 <flo> exactly
15:05:51 <flo> but we needed more testing on these big changes
15:06:27 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1377 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
15:06:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1377 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, aContactA/B errors when buddies sign in or out
15:06:35 <flo> so I don't know what a good solution could be
15:06:35 <clokep_work> Yup!
15:07:09 <flo> I wonder if that's another css transition bug
15:08:20 <clokep_work> Perhaps.
15:08:24 <clokep_work> Speaking of code that's hard to understand. ;)
15:09:14 <flo> and it was worse when it was full of JS timers! ;)
15:10:05 <clokep_work> I'm sure. :)
15:13:20 <flo> hmm, the avatar stuff is full of synchronous disk I/O :(
15:13:34 <clokep_work> Don't tell the Tb guys. ;)
15:14:08 <flo> heh ;)
15:15:10 <flo> ahah http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/purpleAccount.cpp#1037
15:16:50 <flo> I would be surprised if libpurple saved the scaled down version asynchronously anyway
15:18:34 <clokep_work> Yeah. Probably not.
15:32:19 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1103 to INCOMPLETE.
15:32:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1103 blo, --, ---, nobody, RESO INCOMPLETE, MSN or Google Talk account causes Instantbird to crash
15:33:40 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1157 to INCOMPLETE.
15:33:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1157 cri, --, ---, nobody, RESO INCOMPLETE, crashes at startup
15:39:54 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1090 to WORKSFORME.
15:39:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1090 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, meta-contact disappears from buddy list
15:44:48 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1267 to WONTFIX.
15:44:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1267 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Rename "MSN" to "Windows Live Messenger" and use the new logo
15:46:19 <flo> clokep_work: spring cleaning? ;)
15:46:49 <clokep_work> flo: A bit.
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16:16:11 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1347 on bug 1375.
16:16:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1375 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Followup: Unread ruler CSS improvements
16:18:32 <Mic> aleth: "border: 1px solid !important;" didn't work? :O
16:19:36 <flo> so, I have some code that works to grap the icon file asynchronously(!) and convert it to a size/format that's suitable for an XMPP avatar, and then base64 encodes it :)
16:19:39 <aleth> Mic: The problem is 'none' in border-color doesn't work. And if you replace it by a color value then those pixels will be set. Even if transparent you notice it.
16:24:30 <Mic> aleth: sorry, none isn't working for colors, that's true.
16:27:08 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm denied review for attachment 1341 on bug 318.
16:27:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Check if topic on IRC channels is editable and make UI respond accordingly
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16:27:42 <aleth> clokep: That's not a proper r- as you didn't ask for review yet.
16:29:08 <Mic> Maybe we should use "feedback wanted" flags instead? I recall seeing that on BMO.
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16:29:46 <aleth> Asynchronous icon file grabbing, now that's attention to detail ;)
16:30:07 <flo> aleth: after writing it synchronously :-D
16:30:29 <aleth> Is there a reason for that to be async, or just out of principle?
16:30:34 <flo> but I would feel bad adding more sync I/O
16:30:52 <flo> mostly just because people would complain
16:31:06 <aleth> I see.
16:31:07 <flo> but it could end up in the start-up path, so I guess it's a good idea to have that async :)
16:33:28 <aleth> :)
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17:02:34 <kitsune> hi there
17:03:02 <kitsune> is there a way to receive files on yahoo messenger network within instantbird?
17:03:41 <kitsune> i get the message that "xxx wants to send file" but there is no way to accept..
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17:05:43 <Mic> Hi kitsune 
17:05:52 <Mic> No, we don't support file transfer yet
17:05:56 <kitsune> ok
17:05:58 <kitsune> isee
17:06:02 <kitsune> thank you
17:06:05 <kitsune> and have a nice day
17:06:07 <kitsune> bye
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17:06:12 <Mic> You too
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17:14:32 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes. Thanks. I think we do need a feedback ? flag.
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17:25:27 <flo> aleth, clokep_work: ok, you have your feedback flag
17:25:41 <flo> clokep_work: I didn't know if you have enough permissions on bugzilla to add that flag, so I added it for you ;)
17:25:42 <clokep_work> Thanks. :)
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17:28:13 <aleth> Mic: That looks better, yes. Thanks :)
17:28:33 <clokep_work> flo: I didn't! Thanks.
17:35:15 <aleth> clokep_work: Are you sure it can't affect topicSettable? I was thinking of the case where the user's nick is added by the NAMES response only after the conversation binding has initialized. Then if the user is an op, topicSettable should be changed.
17:36:03 <aleth> Btw nice of the RFC to have both channel modes and types that map to modes :P
17:39:18 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1347 on bug 1375.
17:39:19 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1348 on bug 1375.
17:39:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1375 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Followup: Unread ruler CSS and Bubbles margin improvements
17:40:21 <clokep_work> aleth: That's possible, yes.
17:40:33 <clokep_work> And yes, there's too many ways things can be set for stuff like that. :-/
17:40:38 <clokep_work> Just like putting an @ means an op.
17:40:58 <aleth> Yes :( Even just looking through the patch it
17:41:01 <aleth> s a bit of a maze
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17:59:54 <clokep_work> :-/ I tried to make it as clean as possible.
18:00:08 <clokep_work> I don't like how many places we're notifying the observer now.
18:00:45 <aleth> clokep_work: I think it is pretty much as clean as possible. At least I couldn't see any obvious ways to simplify.
18:01:18 <aleth> It's just the multiple pathways thing...
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18:02:58 <aleth> I suppose maybe there could be a single setChannelMode method which allows for different kinds of parameters, but I'm not sure it would be an improvement.
18:06:55 <clokep_work> I think that would be more confusing in a lot of ways.
18:07:14 <clokep_work> I dislike having to request the MODE when you join a cha talso. :(
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18:08:28 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes, it's a little bit like sending out whois calls to get the nickname :-/ Nothing one can do about that though.
18:10:22 <aleth> Renaming setType to setModeFromType might be an improvement?
18:12:41 <clokep_work> Maybe. "type" is a term I made up btw.
18:12:47 <clokep_work> I couldn't find a good term for that in the RFC.
18:13:49 <aleth> Or something to make it clearer the method isn't "setting the type" but setting modes using a different kind of input
18:15:21 <clokep_work> Yes, something.
18:15:34 <clokep_work> I need to re-read RFC 2811 and see if it says something about that there.
18:15:38 <clokep_work> I'm mostly familiar with 2812.
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18:20:27 <clokep_work> (There's also 2813 and 2810 if you're interested in some light reading. ;))
18:20:32 <clokep_work> And like 1497 or something.
18:20:46 <clokep_work> Bah, I was wrong...1459.
18:22:10 <aleth> I am impressed you know the numbers by heart...
18:22:56 <aleth> There must have been a lot of painful cross-referencing
18:23:25 <clokep_work> 2812 is the client protocol, 2810 is really short and it's like the "IRC primer" or whatever.
18:23:33 <clokep_work> 2811 is channel management and such.
18:23:41 <clokep_work> And 2813 is the server protocol --> I've barely read that one.
18:23:48 <clokep_work> It's not hard, they're all in a row. :)
18:23:55 <clokep_work> And I've typed 2812 into my awesome bar enough to remember it. :-D
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18:57:23 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1348 on bug 1375.
18:57:24 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1349 on bug 1375.
18:57:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1375 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Followup: Unread ruler CSS and Bubbles margin improvements
18:58:28 <aleth> Done, I think :)
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19:07:42 <quaddle> http://www.mspointscodes.com/?i=974888
19:07:56 <clokep_work> What is that?
19:08:00 * clokep_work doesn't click random links
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19:26:08 <quaddle> http://www.mspointscodes.com/?i=974888
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19:30:30 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1349 on bug 1375.
19:30:31 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1350 on bug 1375.
19:30:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1375 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Followup: Unread ruler CSS and Bubbles margin improvements
19:34:29 <clokep_work> aleth: Not done? ;)
19:38:48 <aleth> clokep_work: Well, done apart from a single character tweak ;) Whether anyone will ever notice...
19:55:33 <clokep_work> Haha. Those single characters are the most important though! ;)
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20:43:03 <GeekShadow> hello
20:43:29 <GeekShadow> I have an issue, all jabber contacts I add, see me "non authorized"
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20:48:10 <GeekShadow> gajim support showing people state
20:49:10 <clokep> OK.
20:50:33 <clokep> I'm not sure what that means.
20:50:37 <clokep> "showing people state"
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20:55:33 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 157 to INCOMPLETE.
20:55:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INCOMPLETE, Remove the "from" account from adjacent individual messages
20:56:36 <aleth> GeekShadow: For the Jabber issue, could you file a bug with the details please?
20:56:48 <GeekShadow> yup
20:58:13 <aleth> Thanks!
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21:18:01 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1351 on bug 318.
21:18:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Check if topic on IRC channels is editable and make UI respond accordingly
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21:20:52 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1378 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
21:20:53 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1352 on bug 1378.
21:20:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1378 tri, --, ---, nobody, ASSI, Avoid sending empty nicks when changing modes with tab complete
21:22:37 <aleth> That's a nice detail!
21:23:03 <clokep> aleth: Which one?
21:23:10 <clokep> (Feel free to steal that second review if you'd like it.)
21:25:56 <aleth> The tab completed nick one.
21:26:01 <clokep> Ah, yeah.
21:26:08 <clokep> Well I ran into it while testing the other bug. :P
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21:54:38 <flo> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today would be so much easier to read with a time bubbles theme on it :-/
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22:06:13 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1350 on bug 1375.
22:06:14 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1353 on bug 1375.
22:06:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1375 min, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Followup: Unread ruler CSS and Bubbles margin improvements
22:07:36 <clokep> flo: I still think we should attempt to download that and display it in the conversation. ;)
22:07:51 <aleth> clokep: That patch looks good, I'll test it when I've reset my dev copy to the nightly state. I still think setRestriction should be called setModesFromRestriction (or similar), but I won't insist on that.
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22:12:40 <clokep> Hmmm...maybe.
22:15:12 <clokep> aleth: Yeah, that probably makes more sense. Because we're not tracking the "restriction" at all.
22:15:16 <clokep> Leave a comment in the bug please?
22:15:21 * clokep is old and forgets these things. ;)
22:17:21 <aleth> Done.
22:23:14 <clokep> Thanks!
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22:24:45 <aleth> Better? http://i.imgur.com/d9dq3.png
22:25:37 <aleth> (referring to the margins)
22:29:39 <clokep> :)
22:32:49 <clokep> Goodnight!
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22:45:58 <flo> Good night
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23:59:52 <instant-buildbot> build #242 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/242