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09:30:31 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 1325 on bug 1370.
09:30:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1370 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Fix clokep's lack of reading comments and his stupid usage of normalizedChatBuddy getter
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10:19:18 <flo> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/ yesterday was our best update ping count in 2012
10:20:23 <flo> (2196)
10:21:51 <clokep> flo: Any idea for a better comment for getNormalizedChatBuddyName or whatever it is? :-/
10:22:11 <flo> for the idl file?
10:22:15 <clokep> Yes.
10:22:51 <flo> ah, there's already a comment actually
10:22:59 <clokep> Yeah, and it actually seems half ways decent.
10:23:08 <flo> clokep: so you just need to write the other half
10:24:03 <clokep> Yes...
10:24:22 <flo> was didn't you understand when reading it first? Find it, and then explain it :)
10:26:39 <clokep> flo: I think I just assumed that it said "normalized" so it was to be used in some equality sense.
10:26:50 <clokep> I have a feeling I grabbed it from jsProtoHelper, not the idl. :(
10:27:12 <flo> but jsProtoHelper doesn't normalize for that getter :)
10:28:46 <clokep> Yes, who knows what I thought. :P It's probably been in that code for years.
10:29:34 <flo> that method has been added to the interface relatively recently
10:29:57 <flo> when I discovered that it was a shame we couldn't start private conversations with XMPP MUC buddies but Pidgin could
10:30:14 <flo> and that regressed again soon after that fix, as I don't think the current JS-XMPP code supports that correctly
10:31:10 <clokep> Oh...hmmm...well I have no idea of my thinking then. :(
10:32:53 <flo> clokep: I think what was confusing you is that you had absolutely no idea of why that method could be needed
10:33:01 <flo> so maybe the comment should mention the XMPP example
10:35:14 <clokep> Perhaps.
10:35:36 <clokep> That's probably what it was. I still don't fully understand why XMPP needs it (something with being able to use a different nick in MUCs?)
10:36:00 <flo> clokep: my nick in the devel XMPP MUC is "f.queze"
10:36:15 <flo> clokep: you obviously can't start an XMPP conversation with "f.queze"
10:36:23 <clokep> Right.
10:36:55 <flo> so that method will convert "f.queze" to "devel@conference.pidgin.im/f.queze", which makes some sense outside of the context of that specific conversation
10:37:53 <clokep> I see.
10:44:10 <clokep> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/27386 is what I came up w/.
10:45:13 <flo> " This is generally used if" hmm, no, it's used to start private conversations by double clicking on a nick in a chat room.
10:45:32 <flo> I think you meant "this needs to have a behavior that isn't what jsProtoHelper does" ;)
10:45:50 <clokep> No, what I meant is that it maps from a chat room name to a network name.
10:48:37 <clokep> You could probably replace that last sentence w/ an example...
10:50:11 <clokep> I need to go. Perhaps Mic or aleth will have a better explanation for that. ;)
10:50:12 <flo> What about this?
10:50:12 <flo> The nickname of a chat buddy may be valid only in the context of this conversation (typically the case for XMPP MUCs). This method converts it into a username that's usable outside of the context of this conversation, for example to start a private conversation.
10:50:12 <flo> Normalized chat buddy names don't have to be unique, so if the nicknames used for the participants of the conversation are valid outside of the conversation (typically the case for IRC), the recommended implementation is to just return the nick unchanged.
10:50:41 <clokep> Yes, that's much better.
10:50:58 <clokep> Verbose. ;) But very clear about what it's doing.
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11:23:37 <Mic> Hello!
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11:48:09 <clokep_work> Is bio down?
11:48:29 <clokep_work> Bah it works now.
11:48:30 <clokep_work> Weird.
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11:48:51 <clokep_work> And now I'm getting unable to connect again...(o_O)
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12:00:46 <Mic> Great :)
12:00:59 <flo> Mic: hello :)
12:01:10 * Mic just installed Omegle without a restart and actually used it :)
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12:03:06 <clokep_work> Congrats Mic. :)
12:03:20 <Mic> Uninstalling doesn't work yet :(
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12:13:21 <flo> Mic: are there specific issues with uninstalling?
12:13:34 <flo> do you need to change things in the core for that,
12:13:35 <flo> ?
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12:22:52 <Mic> I think I know too little about unregistering components, that's all ;)
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12:26:20 <flo> Mic: I was imagining another problem: if you have an account of a protocol plugin, the account still needs to exist after removing the plugin, so you need a way to somehow replace the protocol plugin with an instance of the unknown protocol plugin at run time
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12:27:07 <Mic> "  //  Replace the protocol of the account with UnknownProtocol? flo hinted something like that?"
12:27:16 <Mic> Seems you said that before ;)
12:27:19 <Mic> Thanks again!
12:27:38 <flo> uh, you had that comment in your code already?
12:28:37 <clokep_work> Once we figure out how to do that...we should probably add something to jsProtoHelper that's just like "register this protocol!" "unregister this protocol!"
12:28:56 <Mic> clokep_work: absolutely.
12:29:18 <clokep_work> (And they must be named that too.)
12:30:46 <clokep_work> If someone gets bored, bug 1306 needs to be reviewed.
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12:30:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1306 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Joining a password protected IRC channel via password set in autojoin doesn't work from Feb 28 night
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12:36:30 <flo> clokep_work: you requested it from aleth so I haven't commented in the bug, but I looked at the patch this morning, and it seems OK to me :)
12:36:47 <flo> (assuming you have tested it and it works)
12:36:50 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/27408
12:37:00 <clokep_work> flo: I did test it. :)
12:37:08 <clokep_work> I'll wait for aleth to check it over as he's seen most of the IRC code now it seems. :P
12:37:40 <Mic> Here's what I currently have. The code runs without errors but Omegle still appears in Components.classes
12:38:17 <flo> Mic: aren't the manifest files read by the add-on manager for bootstraped add-ons these days?
12:38:22 <Mic> And the account still connects and works fine after uninstalling the extension
12:38:37 <clokep_work> flo: Since Moz10, yes.
12:38:40 <Mic> Not for components, last time I checked
12:38:57 <flo> Mic: is there a bug on file on BMO for that?
12:40:31 * Mic is looking for one..
12:44:42 <Mic> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=632945
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12:49:49 <clokep_work> Well that's disappointing. :(
12:51:06 <flo> should we argue against that WONTFIX?
12:52:02 <clokep_work> Perhaps.
12:52:26 <clokep_work> If it's easy enough to encapsulate stuff in a simple function call for us then I'd rather just do that.
12:52:36 <clokep_work> Instead of waiting for them to fix somethign they don't care for
12:52:52 <flo> have I suggested waiting?
12:53:11 <flo> we can patch the mozilla toolkit too if it makes sense
12:53:23 <clokep_work> True!
12:53:33 <flo> it seems that initial report was heavily oriented toward binary XPCOM components
12:53:54 <flo> and so it seems the wontfix is mostly replying to that
12:54:20 <clokep_work> Yes, it does. You think filing a new bug with support for just JS Components might do better? Than yes, I think it's worth trying.
12:54:45 <flo> I think it may do better if there's a patch attached ;)
12:55:15 <clokep_work> :)
12:55:16 <flo> we are mostly concerned with categories, aren't we?
12:55:35 <clokep_work> I don't know much about the component registration process.
12:55:41 <flo> is it easy (or even possible) to undo that automatically for uninstall though?
12:56:12 <flo> I'm afraid adding an entry in the category manager just overwrites the previous value :-/
12:58:40 <flo> the problem seems similar to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675372
12:58:49 <flo> not wontfix, but collecting dust, and probably for a long time :-S
12:59:10 <flo> ah no, I misread the date, it was *yesterday* :-)
12:59:25 <flo> timestamps are just so user unfriendly ;)
12:59:59 <flo> + it was yesterday PDT, so probably today...
13:09:07 <clokep_work> flo: That was last year sometime? Not yesterday...
13:09:09 <clokep_work> :-S
13:09:30 <flo> clokep_work: we are no longer in 2012?
13:10:12 <flo> the only reply I've received to my "chat/ ownership and commit requirements" email was from gerv
13:10:16 <clokep_work> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675372 is from 2011-07-29
13:10:31 <flo> I'm trying to count which % of our code is now part of Thunderbird
13:11:10 <clokep_work> Ah, I see.
13:11:12 <flo> clokep_work: but the patch is from 2 days ago, and the author unassigned himself yesterday.
13:11:20 <clokep_work> Ah....OK. :)
13:11:36 <clokep_work> Would you like me to reply? Prompt them a bit maybe? :p
13:11:39 <flo> is ohloh providing some useful per-folder line of code count?
13:12:46 <clokep_work> No.
13:12:49 <clokep_work> Not that I could find.
13:12:58 <clokep_work> (Thunderbird is also all messed up on ohloh it seems.)
13:13:24 <Mic> I added Omegle as I have it now as example on bug 766 if someone wants to try/have a look.
13:13:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make protocol extensions restartless
13:13:29 <flo> the "Commit Volume" chart on https://www.ohloh.net/p/instantbird/analyses/latest shows that aleth is taking over the project ;)
13:13:35 <Mic> bye
13:13:44 <flo> Mic: thanks! :)
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13:25:04 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/27419
13:25:27 <flo> (I included the commands in the pastebin so that you can spot file extensions that I may have missed)
13:25:44 <flo>    41163 instantbird-specific lines of code, 17163 in chat/
13:26:49 <clokep_work> flo: *.in or *.manifest?
13:27:39 <clokep_work> Also seems to be a cuple of HTML files.
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13:27:43 <clokep_work> And maybe a mk file or two.
13:28:29 <flo> 262021 lines in libpurple, and 462680 for libpurple+glib+libxml2
13:29:38 <flo> do you expect many real lines of code there?
13:29:49 <flo> aren't .in files mostly makefiles?
13:30:02 <flo> ah, some preprocessed js components maybe
13:32:19 <clokep_work> Yes, I know in the purple code .in has some real lines of code.
13:32:27 <flo> adding .in and .manifest doesn't improve the shared/ib-specific ratio
13:32:31 <clokep_work> OK.
13:32:51 <clokep_work> So pretty much...chat is about 20% of Instantbird code (ignoring libpurple stuff)?
13:34:29 <flo> 17163/(41163+17163)*100 = 29.4%
13:35:19 <clokep_work> Ah, yeah I forgot to add them. :-D
13:35:43 <flo> so I can conclude that's a third? ;)
13:38:45 <clokep_work> Yes!
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15:09:46 <Mic|web> Radium: you're being disconnected with reason "Max SendQ exceeded" all the time, can you fix that somehow?
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15:10:29 <Mic|web> I'll take that as ... yes? :P
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15:17:20 <flo> Mic|web: is that a known bug of Ib 1.1, or of early 1.2a1pre nightlies?
15:18:00 <Mic|web> Maybe.. I wanted to figure out his client but he disconnects to quickly :(
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15:19:12 <flo> bug 1269
15:19:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Frequent Max SendQ exceeded" disconnects
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15:21:54 <Mic|web> bye
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15:32:57 <logiclord> how long does instantbird 1.1 build takes ?
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15:33:10 <logiclord> on core2Duo4GB ram ?
15:33:11 <flo> logiclord: why would you build an old version? :)
15:33:16 <flo> logiclord: which OS?
15:33:21 <logiclord> ubuntu
15:33:35 <flo> I would guess 30-40minutes
15:34:29 <logiclord> flo :  my laptop is facing heating issue with mercurial :(  needs servicing I guess
15:34:53 <flo> heating issues with mercurial, before even starting the compile? :-S
15:36:16 <logiclord> flo : It shut down when I try to check out  mozilla release 
15:36:43 <flo> sounds like a problem, yes :-/
15:36:53 <flo> bye
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15:38:46 <logiclord> 1.1 seems to be latest available in ftp http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/
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16:05:34 <logiclord> I have successfully built what to run in ../obj-instantbird/mozilla/dist/bin ?
16:06:55 <aleth> logiclord: To get the latest version, check out the code from the hg repo. The command should be something like |hg clone http://hg.instantbird.org/| (check the command, I haven't tried it myself)
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16:08:16 <logiclord> aleth: I have done that. I am waiting for python client.py checkout command to finish so I thought I could built already downloaded 1.1 
16:08:30 <aleth> Ah, sorry, I didn't read all the logs
16:08:54 <logiclord> and now I have built 1.1 but I am not able to figure out how/what to run ?
16:09:04 <logiclord> in obj-instantbird/mozilla/dist/bin 
16:09:20 <aleth> Sorry, can't help you there. Isn't there an instantbird script somewhere? and an instantbird-bin?
16:09:49 <logiclord> no not in mozilla/dist/bin 
16:16:40 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted review for attachment 1327 on bug 1306.
16:16:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1306 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Joining a password protected IRC channel via password set in autojoin doesn't work from Feb 28 night
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16:32:50 <Stubborn> hello there
16:33:10 <aleth> Hi Stubborn
16:34:27 <Stubborn> hey! ^^ can you please help me? I'm trying to install a new theme but unsuccesfully
16:34:45 <aleth> Which theme? and which version of Instantbird?
16:35:08 <Stubborn> DarkChat for the last version
16:35:50 <aleth> Ah, I don't know that one. You downloaded the XPI file?
16:36:20 <Stubborn> yep but once downloaded I don't know where to put it :/
16:36:25 <aleth> Open the add-on manager
16:36:30 <Stubborn> ok
16:36:42 <aleth> Click on the little toolbox and select "install from file"
16:37:01 <Stubborn> yeah I tried that way...no way
16:37:13 <aleth> Did you get an error message?
16:37:17 <Stubborn> it says that the file could be corrupted
16:37:18 <Stubborn> yep
16:37:27 <aleth> Oh. Let me take a look.
16:37:33 <Stubborn> thanks!
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16:39:49 <aleth> Stubborn: It works for me - I am using it now.
16:39:57 <aleth> Try downloading it again maybe?
16:40:00 <Stubborn> oh yes! got it!
16:40:16 <Stubborn> my bad, I was trying to install from file the extracted version
16:40:20 <Stubborn> :)
16:40:27 <aleth> :)
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16:40:53 <aleth> Ha, that message style does emulate an oldschool green monitor quite well...
16:42:10 <Stubborn> yep. it's a neater version of H4x0r (my theme when I was using Empathy)
16:42:49 <aleth> If you don't find any problems with it, let us know and it could be marked as no longer experimental ;)
16:43:33 <aleth> Btw you know you can use Instantbird for IRC as well?
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16:45:31 <Stubborn> uh I actually don't use IRC, I just came here hoping to find some help :P
16:46:12 <aleth> OK :D just in case you didn't know...
16:48:51 <Stubborn> ^^
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17:07:57 <myk> i'm really enjoying the new smarter nick completion feature
17:08:30 <myk> even though i had a counter-example for it yesterday (i wanted to say: "foo: bar says to do this" and had "foo: bar" completed to "foo, bar:")
17:08:44 <myk> but most of the time i really do want to say: "foo, bar: i think this"
17:08:49 <myk> so it's super-helpful!
17:08:59 <myk> kudos to the folks who filed, fixed, reviewed, and landed it!
17:15:07 <aleth> myk: Glad you like it! Thanks for the feedback, especially as we are still collecting data on whether the : -> , is helpful more times than it isn't.
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17:15:53 * Mook_as assumes pressing tab again to toggle is ridiculously hard to implement
17:16:27 <Mook_as> foo, bar, baz: -> foo, bar: baz -> foo: bar, baz -> foo, bar, baz:
17:16:56 <myk> aleth: it certainly is for me :-)
17:17:04 <clokep_work> logiclord: in objdir/mozilla/dist/bin/instantbird shold be there.
17:17:14 <myk> aleth, Mook_as: sure, that might be a useful enhancement
17:17:54 <myk> it's amazing what a difference these tiny details make in one's joy of using software
17:18:28 <aleth> myk: Yes, the ideal is to get it so you don't notice a feature any more ;)
17:19:24 <aleth> Mook_as: Interesting idea!
17:20:00 * Mook_as isn't using ib-nightly atm and can't test tab-completion behaviour for partial matches
17:20:27 <Mook_as> since that's the other thing repeated tab presses might be doing something for
17:23:22 <clokep_work> Mook_as: What I actually thought is if you press "backspace" immediately after it then it should stop the autocorrect.
17:23:28 <clokep_work> As Microsoft Word does, I believe.
17:23:36 <myk> Mook_as: perhaps i misunderstand, but it works as i expect it to
17:23:54 <clokep_work> e.g. "foo: ba" <tab> --> "foo, bar:" <backspace> --> "foo: bar"
17:24:23 <myk> Mook_as, aleth: for example, i started this message by typing: m <tab> a <tab>
17:24:42 <aleth> clokep_work: uh, really? Does backspace map to undo in Word sometimes?
17:25:19 <aleth> I've never come across that convention before, though I can see the logic :-/
17:25:34 <clokep_work> aleth: Maybe it doesn't...
17:25:37 <clokep_work> Maybe I'm just crazy.
17:25:46 <clokep_work> Ah, yes.
17:25:51 <aleth> I haven't used Word in ages.
17:26:02 <clokep_work> If you type http://instantbird.org <space> it'll autocomplete the link.
17:26:19 <clokep_work> Pressing "backspace" will remove the link (but keep the space).
17:26:20 <myk> also, kudos to the implementers of /whois! it just came in handy to find out if someone is online or not (since i don't know what channels this person typically inhabits, i couldn't go to them to look for the person)
17:26:44 <clokep_work> myk: aleth also did that. ;)
17:26:56 <myk> thanks aleth!
17:27:00 <aleth> :)
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17:29:13 <logiclord> clokep_work:  no directory named instantbird in bin :(
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17:32:30 <clokep_work> logiclord: It's not a directory...it's a file...
17:32:35 <clokep_work> Executable.
17:32:49 <logiclord> no file either
17:33:56 <logiclord> might be build issue in 1.1
17:34:00 <logiclord> :(
17:36:09 <clokep_work> Are you sure the build completed properly?
17:37:09 <logiclord> clokep_work : no. I will try again with newer version... I am still waiting for mercurial to finish for newer version
17:37:19 <clokep_work> aleth: Bug 1366, did you mean to request review?
17:37:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1366 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Inform the user when attempting to send a message to an offline nick
17:37:36 <clokep_work> (And what's the issue with the tooltip?)
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17:44:30 <clokep_work> logiclord: If you have the output of your build we could probably tell you if it worked (using pastebin or something).
17:47:26 <logiclord> clokep_work:  I ran build in terminal only... no redirection
17:47:43 <logiclord> will revert back after trying again
17:48:55 <clokep_work> Could always copy & paste from the terminal. ;)
17:50:40 <logiclord> clokep_work: not after opening laptop and performing a cleaning operation that to after sudden shutdown 
17:53:38 <clokep_work> Haha, I guess not in that case. :D
17:55:15 <logiclord> don't worry I am more stubborn then my laptop :D
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18:02:53 <clokep_work> Haha OK.
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18:23:06 <aleth> clokep_work: No, I didn't mean to request review for the patch, as hopefully someone will do a better one. I just thought I'd add it to the bug in case it came in useful after all.
18:23:22 <clokep_work> Oh OK. :) Just checking.
18:24:02 <aleth> The tooltip observer will receive the normalized nick, that's why it must store it too
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18:49:24 <clokep_work> aleth: "The tooltip observer will receive the normalized nick, that's why it must store it too" Why must what store what? Why the observer must store the normalized nick?
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18:52:16 <aleth> If this.observedUserInfo does not contain the normalized nick, then for capitalized nicks the observer will not recognize the event carrying the returned information. (It makes no sense to have this mechanism use non-normalized nicks as the correct non-normalized nick might not be available until after the call in other situations.)
18:53:01 <clokep_work> Right. Hmm...it sounds to me like that function might be trying to do two different things then.
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18:58:24 <aleth> Is there any circumstance where it is actually a problem that getnormalizedchatbuddyname returns the normalized nick?
18:58:43 <aleth> ^^ heretical question
18:59:46 <clokep_work> It's just not being used in the right wa.y
19:00:01 <clokep_work> Theoretically it will cut down on jitter if you have no whois info and they have a captialized nick.
19:00:46 <aleth> Not after that 1321 patch lands I think.
19:01:07 <aleth> But yeah, there should be a consistent expected behaviour for these methods of course.
19:02:00 <clokep_work> The method should be used properly so if it's used in the future it gives expected results.
19:02:21 <clokep_work> But it seems like one of the users actually /does/ want the normalized nick.
19:02:41 <aleth> Maybe there should be two methods in the interface then?
19:03:11 <clokep_work> That's what I'm wondering...
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19:03:18 * clokep_work aways flo.
19:03:23 <clokep_work> Uhh...that was fast.
19:03:29 <clokep_work> s/aways/awaits/
19:03:45 <aleth> the man who logs in faster than you can type :P
19:04:10 <aleth> clokep_work: I guess your comment on the bug is obsolete then? Or would you still like an answer to that?
19:04:45 <clokep_work> Just copy and paste your comment from above (or our conversation here) please. :)
19:04:48 <flo> I assume that means I should check the log? ;)
19:04:48 <clokep_work> Just to keep it in there.
19:05:32 <flo> clokep_work: by the way, I think you made me discover a race condition bug in Hide Auto-joins
19:05:39 <clokep_work> Woo!
19:05:55 <flo> It probably shouldn't hide chatrooms right pings...
19:06:15 <flo> as if you pinged me after the room had been hidden, that would have shown it
19:08:20 <clokep_work> Right.
19:15:33 <flo> myk: glad you like aleth's recent patches :)
19:16:12 <flo> ""foo: ba" <tab> --> "foo, bar:" <backspace> --> "foo: bar"" sounds interesting
19:17:31 <flo> but it's actually "foo: ba" <tab> --> "foo, bar: " (a space after ":"), so maybe it should be: "foo: ba" <tab> --> "foo, bar: " <backspace> --> "foo: bar "
19:17:55 <clokep_work> That sounds right to me.
19:18:41 <flo> aleth: so the user-info-received notification is fired with the normalized nick rather than the correctly capitalized username? :-S
19:19:32 <aleth> flo: Yes, that's what's used all across JS-IRC internally
19:20:22 <flo> that sounds painful :(
19:21:44 <myk> flo, clokep_work: on first thought, <tab> seems more intuitive than <backspace>, since it's what i pressed to get into the "foo, bar: " state, and my finger is right on it
19:21:46 <clokep_work> But we have no way of knowing the "correct" capitalization until we receive the info.
19:22:22 <myk> flo, clokep_work: and it doesn't do anything currently in the "foo, bar: " state, so there isn't an existing behavior that would change
19:23:17 <flo> the XMPP case is annoying too if we want to actually normalize, as if my nick is "f.queze", the normalized chat buddy name is devel@conference.pidgin.im/f.queze, but the standard normalize function replaces username@server/resource with username@server, so putting that normalized chat buddy name in the normalize method would just return the muc's name :-S
19:23:34 <myk> flo, clokep_work: i.e. "foo: ba<tab>" --> "foo, bar: " <tab> --> "foo: bar " ...
19:23:57 <clokep_work> myk: Yeah, that could make sense. I think that is what Mook_as suggested too?
19:23:57 <flo> myk: I think backspace is more discoverable, as it's what I do press to remove the bogus ":" if I didn't want it
19:24:11 * clokep_work thinks someone should file a bug. ;)
19:24:35 <myk> flo: hmm, perhaps
19:31:06 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1371 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
19:31:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1371 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fast undo for multiple nick completions
19:31:48 <clokep_work> Hopefully that makes sense...
19:35:44 <myk> clokep_work: makes sense to me!
19:45:30 <flo> yes, good summary! :)
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19:50:29 <aleth> Yes, that's very clear. No reason not to implement both keys really. :)
19:50:50 <clokep_work> aleth: All these completions only work at the beginning of the string, right?
19:50:59 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes.
19:51:05 <clokep_work> Just making sure. :)
19:52:03 <aleth> flo: Did you have a chance to look at the bug 860 patch again? I think you started reviewing it at one point...
19:52:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=860 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Add reading position marker line to conversations
19:57:29 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review? for attachment 1298 on bug 1359.
19:57:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1359 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Abstract the shared methods between ircChannel and ircConversation
20:00:21 <clokep_work> Only 570 open bugs, not bad. ;)
20:00:59 <aleth> I wonder what percentage are feature requests...
20:01:15 <clokep_work> I'd say at least half.
20:02:50 <aleth> Only 39 unconfirmed though ;)
20:04:29 <aleth> Bug 1056 looks like the XMPP version of the one you just fixed
20:04:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1056 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, xmpp autojoin chat room with a password are not supported by the current auto-join feature.
20:05:33 <clokep_work> Was that ever supported?
20:05:52 <aleth> No idea.
20:06:05 <clokep_work> Yeah no, that's a libpurple bug.
20:06:16 * clokep_work hates the whole auto-join thing.
20:06:29 <aleth> Auto-join considered harmful.
20:07:05 <clokep_work> Nah, I just hate the way we have it implemented as a list people type in instead of a nsISimpleEnumerator of ConvChatRoomFields. ;)
20:07:15 <clokep_work> imIConvChatRoomFields rather.
20:07:27 <clokep_work> Or maybe it's imIConvChatRoomFieldValues? Who knows. :(
20:08:09 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 641 to WORKSFORME.
20:08:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Failing to apply update immediately because "Instantbird is still running", before: "instantbird Aut
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20:09:00 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes, which also leads to the problem of the user being unsure of how to list multiple autojoins (what's the separator?)
20:09:37 <clokep_work> Yes.
20:10:15 <aleth> bug 755, is that a resolved incomplete or worksforme?
20:10:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, can't find libraries on Fedora 14
20:11:50 <aleth> bug 414 is old and I don't understand it - is that still current?
20:11:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, --enable-purple-plugins doesn't work
20:12:07 <clokep_work> 414 is still current.
20:12:19 <aleth> Is it confirmed then?
20:12:22 <clokep_work> aleth: INCOMPLETE
20:12:34 <clokep_work> aleth: It's..."We don't really care, but we wouldn't mind if someone made it compatible" I think...?
20:12:41 <clokep_work> (The INCOMPELTE was for 755)
20:12:54 <clokep_work> Well unless you're on Fedora 14 and it works for you. :)
20:13:48 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 755 to INCOMPLETE.
20:13:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO INCOMPLETE, can't find libraries on Fedora 14
20:23:15 <Mook_as> sounds like that bug is "you need 32 bit gtk-x11 libraries"
20:23:25 <aleth> Mook_as: Pretty much.
20:25:09 <flo> 414 is wontfix but no one dared writing it, because at the time it was filed it didn't feel wontfix
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21:02:03 <Mic> aleth: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=severity%3Aenh
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21:03:49 <aleth> Aha :) So, clokep was right, about half (plus the ones that should be marked enh and aren't I guess)
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21:35:30 <clokep> Do we have a bug that buddy requests don't say what account they're for?
21:39:02 <flo> not filed
21:39:35 <flo> I think we have a general agreement that the buddy requests suck, both before and after the recent changes to them
21:40:13 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 414 to WONTFIX.
21:40:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, --enable-purple-plugins doesn't work
21:40:34 <clokep> Yes. :) But those meta ideas don't help! You need actionable issues. ;)
21:41:00 <flo> yeah... you also need someone willing to take action
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21:41:23 <clokep> We need interns...they do all the garbage work. ;)
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21:42:02 <flo> we need a company for that ;)
21:42:40 <flo> there used to be a plan to do that, but I don't think anybody is still believing in it
21:44:44 * clokep thought interns were free. :P
21:45:27 <flo> clokep: you still need to pay for the office from which they work
21:45:38 <clokep> Ah, true.
21:47:45 <flo> and they aren't really free any more, you have to pay them at least 360euros/month I think
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21:48:09 <clokep> Yeah, I was joking. I just know we consider them "free" since they're a lot less than our full time employees.
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21:49:09 <flo> they used to be free in France ;)
21:51:56 <clokep> Hah.
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21:53:30 <Mic> Is there a way to prevent adding Omegle-contacts to the contact list?
21:54:00 <flo> if you add one, we should use it for facebook chat too
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21:58:21 <aleth> Only logging in and out... sorry
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22:00:01 <clokep> Ah OK. :(
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22:38:52 <Mic> nn
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23:28:32 <flo> Good night
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