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#instantbird 08:49:24 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 08:55:27 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 09:02:57 <-- NmN has quit (Ping timeout) 09:03:26 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 09:08:58 --> NmN1 has joined #instantbird 09:09:29 <-- NmN has quit (Ping timeout) 09:10:41 <-- NmN1 has quit (Ping timeout) 09:10:52 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 09:13:52 <-- NmN has quit (Connection reset by peer) 09:14:15 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 09:19:09 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 09:22:11 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 09:23:39 --> flo has joined #instantbird 09:23:39 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:30:31 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 1325 on bug 1370. 09:30:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1370 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Fix clokep's lack of reading comments and his stupid usage of normalizedChatBuddy getter 09:30:58 <-- NmN has quit (Ping timeout) 09:32:18 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 09:38:43 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 09:40:54 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 09:42:46 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 09:43:59 <-- NmN has quit (Ping timeout) 09:44:22 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 09:52:15 --> NmN1 has joined #instantbird 09:52:42 <-- NmN has quit (Ping timeout) 09:54:20 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 10:03:15 <-- EionRobb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 10:08:08 <-- NmN1 has quit (Ping timeout) 10:17:32 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:17:33 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:19:18 <flo> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/ yesterday was our best update ping count in 2012 10:20:23 <flo> (2196) 10:21:51 <clokep> flo: Any idea for a better comment for getNormalizedChatBuddyName or whatever it is? :-/ 10:22:11 <flo> for the idl file? 10:22:15 <clokep> Yes. 10:22:51 <flo> ah, there's already a comment actually 10:22:59 <clokep> Yeah, and it actually seems half ways decent. 10:23:08 <flo> clokep: so you just need to write the other half 10:24:03 <clokep> Yes... 10:24:22 <flo> was didn't you understand when reading it first? Find it, and then explain it :) 10:26:39 <clokep> flo: I think I just assumed that it said "normalized" so it was to be used in some equality sense. 10:26:50 <clokep> I have a feeling I grabbed it from jsProtoHelper, not the idl. :( 10:27:12 <flo> but jsProtoHelper doesn't normalize for that getter :) 10:28:46 <clokep> Yes, who knows what I thought. :P It's probably been in that code for years. 10:29:34 <flo> that method has been added to the interface relatively recently 10:29:57 <flo> when I discovered that it was a shame we couldn't start private conversations with XMPP MUC buddies but Pidgin could 10:30:14 <flo> and that regressed again soon after that fix, as I don't think the current JS-XMPP code supports that correctly 10:31:10 <clokep> Oh...hmmm...well I have no idea of my thinking then. :( 10:32:53 <flo> clokep: I think what was confusing you is that you had absolutely no idea of why that method could be needed 10:33:01 <flo> so maybe the comment should mention the XMPP example 10:35:14 <clokep> Perhaps. 10:35:36 <clokep> That's probably what it was. I still don't fully understand why XMPP needs it (something with being able to use a different nick in MUCs?) 10:36:00 <flo> clokep: my nick in the devel XMPP MUC is "f.queze" 10:36:15 <flo> clokep: you obviously can't start an XMPP conversation with "f.queze" 10:36:23 <clokep> Right. 10:36:55 <flo> so that method will convert "f.queze" to "devel@conference.pidgin.im/f.queze", which makes some sense outside of the context of that specific conversation 10:37:53 <clokep> I see. 10:44:10 <clokep> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/27386 is what I came up w/. 10:45:13 <flo> " This is generally used if" hmm, no, it's used to start private conversations by double clicking on a nick in a chat room. 10:45:32 <flo> I think you meant "this needs to have a behavior that isn't what jsProtoHelper does" ;) 10:45:50 <clokep> No, what I meant is that it maps from a chat room name to a network name. 10:48:37 <clokep> You could probably replace that last sentence w/ an example... 10:50:11 <clokep> I need to go. Perhaps Mic or aleth will have a better explanation for that. ;) 10:50:12 <flo> What about this? 10:50:12 <flo> The nickname of a chat buddy may be valid only in the context of this conversation (typically the case for XMPP MUCs). This method converts it into a username that's usable outside of the context of this conversation, for example to start a private conversation. 10:50:12 <flo> Normalized chat buddy names don't have to be unique, so if the nicknames used for the participants of the conversation are valid outside of the conversation (typically the case for IRC), the recommended implementation is to just return the nick unchanged. 10:50:41 <clokep> Yes, that's much better. 10:50:58 <clokep> Verbose. ;) But very clear about what it's doing. 10:52:26 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:07:34 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 11:07:34 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 11:23:37 <Mic> Hello! 11:38:43 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:38:44 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 11:48:09 <clokep_work> Is bio down? 11:48:29 <clokep_work> Bah it works now. 11:48:30 <clokep_work> Weird. 11:48:34 --> jb has joined #instantbird 11:48:51 <clokep_work> And now I'm getting unable to connect again...(o_O) 11:53:19 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 12:00:46 <Mic> Great :) 12:00:59 <flo> Mic: hello :) 12:01:10 * Mic just installed Omegle without a restart and actually used it :) 12:02:26 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:02:26 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 12:03:06 <clokep_work> Congrats Mic. :) 12:03:20 <Mic> Uninstalling doesn't work yet :( 12:08:22 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 12:13:21 <flo> Mic: are there specific issues with uninstalling? 12:13:34 <flo> do you need to change things in the core for that, 12:13:35 <flo> ? 12:20:51 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 12:22:52 <Mic> I think I know too little about unregistering components, that's all ;) 12:24:57 --> jb has joined #instantbird 12:25:18 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 12:25:47 --> jb has joined #instantbird 12:26:20 <flo> Mic: I was imagining another problem: if you have an account of a protocol plugin, the account still needs to exist after removing the plugin, so you need a way to somehow replace the protocol plugin with an instance of the unknown protocol plugin at run time 12:26:47 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 12:27:07 <Mic> " // Replace the protocol of the account with UnknownProtocol? flo hinted something like that?" 12:27:16 <Mic> Seems you said that before ;) 12:27:19 <Mic> Thanks again! 12:27:38 <flo> uh, you had that comment in your code already? 12:28:37 <clokep_work> Once we figure out how to do that...we should probably add something to jsProtoHelper that's just like "register this protocol!" "unregister this protocol!" 12:28:56 <Mic> clokep_work: absolutely. 12:29:18 <clokep_work> (And they must be named that too.) 12:30:46 <clokep_work> If someone gets bored, bug 1306 needs to be reviewed. 12:30:48 --> jb has joined #instantbird 12:30:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1306 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Joining a password protected IRC channel via password set in autojoin doesn't work from Feb 28 night 12:32:31 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 12:33:19 --> jb has joined #instantbird 12:36:30 <flo> clokep_work: you requested it from aleth so I haven't commented in the bug, but I looked at the patch this morning, and it seems OK to me :) 12:36:47 <flo> (assuming you have tested it and it works) 12:36:50 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/27408 12:37:00 <clokep_work> flo: I did test it. :) 12:37:08 <clokep_work> I'll wait for aleth to check it over as he's seen most of the IRC code now it seems. :P 12:37:40 <Mic> Here's what I currently have. The code runs without errors but Omegle still appears in Components.classes 12:38:17 <flo> Mic: aren't the manifest files read by the add-on manager for bootstraped add-ons these days? 12:38:22 <Mic> And the account still connects and works fine after uninstalling the extension 12:38:37 <clokep_work> flo: Since Moz10, yes. 12:38:40 <Mic> Not for components, last time I checked 12:38:57 <flo> Mic: is there a bug on file on BMO for that? 12:40:31 * Mic is looking for one.. 12:44:42 <Mic> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=632945 12:45:32 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:45:41 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 12:49:49 <clokep_work> Well that's disappointing. :( 12:51:06 <flo> should we argue against that WONTFIX? 12:52:02 <clokep_work> Perhaps. 12:52:26 <clokep_work> If it's easy enough to encapsulate stuff in a simple function call for us then I'd rather just do that. 12:52:36 <clokep_work> Instead of waiting for them to fix somethign they don't care for 12:52:52 <flo> have I suggested waiting? 12:53:11 <flo> we can patch the mozilla toolkit too if it makes sense 12:53:23 <clokep_work> True! 12:53:33 <flo> it seems that initial report was heavily oriented toward binary XPCOM components 12:53:54 <flo> and so it seems the wontfix is mostly replying to that 12:54:20 <clokep_work> Yes, it does. You think filing a new bug with support for just JS Components might do better? Than yes, I think it's worth trying. 12:54:45 <flo> I think it may do better if there's a patch attached ;) 12:55:15 <clokep_work> :) 12:55:16 <flo> we are mostly concerned with categories, aren't we? 12:55:35 <clokep_work> I don't know much about the component registration process. 12:55:41 <flo> is it easy (or even possible) to undo that automatically for uninstall though? 12:56:12 <flo> I'm afraid adding an entry in the category manager just overwrites the previous value :-/ 12:58:40 <flo> the problem seems similar to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675372 12:58:49 <flo> not wontfix, but collecting dust, and probably for a long time :-S 12:59:10 <flo> ah no, I misread the date, it was *yesterday* :-) 12:59:25 <flo> timestamps are just so user unfriendly ;) 12:59:59 <flo> + it was yesterday PDT, so probably today... 13:09:07 <clokep_work> flo: That was last year sometime? Not yesterday... 13:09:09 <clokep_work> :-S 13:09:30 <flo> clokep_work: we are no longer in 2012? 13:10:12 <flo> the only reply I've received to my "chat/ ownership and commit requirements" email was from gerv 13:10:16 <clokep_work> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675372 is from 2011-07-29 13:10:31 <flo> I'm trying to count which % of our code is now part of Thunderbird 13:11:10 <clokep_work> Ah, I see. 13:11:12 <flo> clokep_work: but the patch is from 2 days ago, and the author unassigned himself yesterday. 13:11:20 <clokep_work> Ah....OK. :) 13:11:36 <clokep_work> Would you like me to reply? Prompt them a bit maybe? :p 13:11:39 <flo> is ohloh providing some useful per-folder line of code count? 13:12:46 <clokep_work> No. 13:12:49 <clokep_work> Not that I could find. 13:12:58 <clokep_work> (Thunderbird is also all messed up on ohloh it seems.) 13:13:24 <Mic> I added Omegle as I have it now as example on bug 766 if someone wants to try/have a look. 13:13:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make protocol extensions restartless 13:13:29 <flo> the "Commit Volume" chart on https://www.ohloh.net/p/instantbird/analyses/latest shows that aleth is taking over the project ;) 13:13:35 <Mic> bye 13:13:44 <flo> Mic: thanks! :) 13:13:48 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:25:04 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/27419 13:25:27 <flo> (I included the commands in the pastebin so that you can spot file extensions that I may have missed) 13:25:44 <flo> 41163 instantbird-specific lines of code, 17163 in chat/ 13:26:49 <clokep_work> flo: *.in or *.manifest? 13:27:39 <clokep_work> Also seems to be a cuple of HTML files. 13:27:40 * bear-afk is now known as bear 13:27:43 <clokep_work> And maybe a mk file or two. 13:28:29 <flo> 262021 lines in libpurple, and 462680 for libpurple+glib+libxml2 13:29:38 <flo> do you expect many real lines of code there? 13:29:49 <flo> aren't .in files mostly makefiles? 13:30:02 <flo> ah, some preprocessed js components maybe 13:32:19 <clokep_work> Yes, I know in the purple code .in has some real lines of code. 13:32:27 <flo> adding .in and .manifest doesn't improve the shared/ib-specific ratio 13:32:31 <clokep_work> OK. 13:32:51 <clokep_work> So pretty much...chat is about 20% of Instantbird code (ignoring libpurple stuff)? 13:34:29 <flo> 17163/(41163+17163)*100 = 29.4% 13:35:19 <clokep_work> Ah, yeah I forgot to add them. :-D 13:35:43 <flo> so I can conclude that's a third? ;) 13:38:45 <clokep_work> Yes! 13:42:43 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 13:44:23 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout) 13:48:36 --> jb has joined #instantbird 13:50:28 * bear is now known as bear|buildduty 14:05:54 <-- pvagner has quit (Ping timeout) 14:17:10 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 14:29:34 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 14:29:34 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 14:43:21 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 14:50:46 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 14:54:37 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 14:54:37 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 14:54:57 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 14:54:57 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 14:55:08 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 14:55:08 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 14:55:39 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 14:56:33 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 14:56:33 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 14:56:59 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 14:56:59 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 14:57:12 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 14:57:12 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 14:58:44 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 14:58:44 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 14:59:28 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 14:59:28 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 14:59:45 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 14:59:45 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:00:00 --> jc has joined #instantbird 15:00:02 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:00:02 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:00:19 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 15:00:27 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:00:27 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:02:05 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:02:05 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:02:21 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:02:21 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:02:48 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:02:48 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:03:15 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:03:15 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:04:07 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:04:07 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:04:28 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:04:28 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:04:49 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:04:49 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:05:06 --> Mic|web has joined #instantbird 15:05:27 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:05:27 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:06:10 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:06:10 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:06:43 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:06:43 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:07:19 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:07:19 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:07:51 * bear|buildduty is now known as bear-afk 15:07:54 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:07:54 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:08:25 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:08:25 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:08:49 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:08:49 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:09:00 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:09:13 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:09:24 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:09:24 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:09:35 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:09:35 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:09:45 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:09:46 <Mic|web> Radium: you're being disconnected with reason "Max SendQ exceeded" all the time, can you fix that somehow? 15:10:04 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:10:29 <Mic|web> I'll take that as ... yes? :P 15:11:22 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:11:22 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:11:35 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:11:35 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:11:46 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:11:46 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:13:01 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:13:01 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:13:11 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:13:11 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:13:24 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:13:24 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:14:37 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:14:37 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:14:47 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:14:47 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:14:59 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:14:59 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:15:08 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 15:16:14 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:16:14 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:16:26 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:16:26 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:16:39 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:16:39 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:17:20 <flo> Mic|web: is that a known bug of Ib 1.1, or of early 1.2a1pre nightlies? 15:18:00 <Mic|web> Maybe.. I wanted to figure out his client but he disconnects to quickly :( 15:18:01 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:18:01 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:18:11 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:18:11 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:18:21 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:18:21 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:19:12 <flo> bug 1269 15:19:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Frequent Max SendQ exceeded" disconnects 15:19:35 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:19:35 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:19:44 --> Radium has joined #instantbird 15:19:44 <-- Radium has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 15:21:54 <Mic|web> bye 15:21:56 <-- Mic|web has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 15:32:34 --> logiclord has joined #instantbird 15:32:57 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:32:57 <logiclord> how long does instantbird 1.1 build takes ? 15:32:58 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 15:33:10 <logiclord> on core2Duo4GB ram ? 15:33:11 <flo> logiclord: why would you build an old version? :) 15:33:16 <flo> logiclord: which OS? 15:33:21 <logiclord> ubuntu 15:33:35 <flo> I would guess 30-40minutes 15:34:29 <logiclord> flo : my laptop is facing heating issue with mercurial :( needs servicing I guess 15:34:53 <flo> heating issues with mercurial, before even starting the compile? :-S 15:36:16 <logiclord> flo : It shut down when I try to check out mozilla release 15:36:43 <flo> sounds like a problem, yes :-/ 15:36:53 <flo> bye 15:36:55 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:38:25 * jwir3|away is now known as jwir3 15:38:46 <logiclord> 1.1 seems to be latest available in ftp http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/ 15:44:42 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 15:44:42 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 15:46:26 <-- NmN has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:49:25 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 15:56:10 <-- jc has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:56:35 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:57:04 --> myk has joined #instantbird 16:00:38 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 16:01:11 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 16:05:34 <logiclord> I have successfully built what to run in ../obj-instantbird/mozilla/dist/bin ? 16:06:55 <aleth> logiclord: To get the latest version, check out the code from the hg repo. The command should be something like |hg clone http://hg.instantbird.org/| (check the command, I haven't tried it myself) 16:07:52 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:08:16 <logiclord> aleth: I have done that. I am waiting for python client.py checkout command to finish so I thought I could built already downloaded 1.1 16:08:30 <aleth> Ah, sorry, I didn't read all the logs 16:08:54 <logiclord> and now I have built 1.1 but I am not able to figure out how/what to run ? 16:09:04 <logiclord> in obj-instantbird/mozilla/dist/bin 16:09:20 <aleth> Sorry, can't help you there. Isn't there an instantbird script somewhere? and an instantbird-bin? 16:09:49 <logiclord> no not in mozilla/dist/bin 16:16:40 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted review for attachment 1327 on bug 1306. 16:16:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1306 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Joining a password protected IRC channel via password set in autojoin doesn't work from Feb 28 night 16:20:04 <-- NmN has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 16:30:27 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 16:32:15 --> Stubborn has joined #instantbird 16:32:50 <Stubborn> hello there 16:33:10 <aleth> Hi Stubborn 16:34:27 <Stubborn> hey! ^^ can you please help me? I'm trying to install a new theme but unsuccesfully 16:34:45 <aleth> Which theme? and which version of Instantbird? 16:35:08 <Stubborn> DarkChat for the last version 16:35:50 <aleth> Ah, I don't know that one. You downloaded the XPI file? 16:36:20 <Stubborn> yep but once downloaded I don't know where to put it :/ 16:36:25 <aleth> Open the add-on manager 16:36:30 <Stubborn> ok 16:36:42 <aleth> Click on the little toolbox and select "install from file" 16:37:01 <Stubborn> yeah I tried that way...no way 16:37:13 <aleth> Did you get an error message? 16:37:17 <Stubborn> it says that the file could be corrupted 16:37:18 <Stubborn> yep 16:37:27 <aleth> Oh. Let me take a look. 16:37:33 <Stubborn> thanks! 16:38:46 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:38:56 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 16:38:56 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 16:39:49 <aleth> Stubborn: It works for me - I am using it now. 16:39:57 <aleth> Try downloading it again maybe? 16:40:00 <Stubborn> oh yes! got it! 16:40:16 <Stubborn> my bad, I was trying to install from file the extracted version 16:40:20 <Stubborn> :) 16:40:27 <aleth> :) 16:40:33 --> BYK has joined #instantbird 16:40:53 <aleth> Ha, that message style does emulate an oldschool green monitor quite well... 16:42:10 <Stubborn> yep. it's a neater version of H4x0r (my theme when I was using Empathy) 16:42:49 <aleth> If you don't find any problems with it, let us know and it could be marked as no longer experimental ;) 16:43:33 <aleth> Btw you know you can use Instantbird for IRC as well? 16:44:15 * bear-afk is now known as bear|buildduty 16:45:31 <Stubborn> uh I actually don't use IRC, I just came here hoping to find some help :P 16:46:12 <aleth> OK :D just in case you didn't know... 16:48:51 <Stubborn> ^^ 16:54:27 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 16:55:02 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 16:55:15 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 16:55:59 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 16:56:27 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 17:02:14 <-- Stubborn has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 17:07:57 <myk> i'm really enjoying the new smarter nick completion feature 17:08:30 <myk> even though i had a counter-example for it yesterday (i wanted to say: "foo: bar says to do this" and had "foo: bar" completed to "foo, bar:") 17:08:44 <myk> but most of the time i really do want to say: "foo, bar: i think this" 17:08:49 <myk> so it's super-helpful! 17:08:59 <myk> kudos to the folks who filed, fixed, reviewed, and landed it! 17:15:07 <aleth> myk: Glad you like it! Thanks for the feedback, especially as we are still collecting data on whether the : -> , is helpful more times than it isn't. 17:15:23 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 17:15:23 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 17:15:53 * Mook_as assumes pressing tab again to toggle is ridiculously hard to implement 17:16:27 <Mook_as> foo, bar, baz: -> foo, bar: baz -> foo: bar, baz -> foo, bar, baz: 17:16:56 <myk> aleth: it certainly is for me :-) 17:17:04 <clokep_work> logiclord: in objdir/mozilla/dist/bin/instantbird shold be there. 17:17:14 <myk> aleth, Mook_as: sure, that might be a useful enhancement 17:17:54 <myk> it's amazing what a difference these tiny details make in one's joy of using software 17:18:28 <aleth> myk: Yes, the ideal is to get it so you don't notice a feature any more ;) 17:19:24 <aleth> Mook_as: Interesting idea! 17:20:00 * Mook_as isn't using ib-nightly atm and can't test tab-completion behaviour for partial matches 17:20:27 <Mook_as> since that's the other thing repeated tab presses might be doing something for 17:23:22 <clokep_work> Mook_as: What I actually thought is if you press "backspace" immediately after it then it should stop the autocorrect. 17:23:28 <clokep_work> As Microsoft Word does, I believe. 17:23:36 <myk> Mook_as: perhaps i misunderstand, but it works as i expect it to 17:23:54 <clokep_work> e.g. "foo: ba" <tab> --> "foo, bar:" <backspace> --> "foo: bar" 17:24:23 <myk> Mook_as, aleth: for example, i started this message by typing: m <tab> a <tab> 17:24:42 <aleth> clokep_work: uh, really? Does backspace map to undo in Word sometimes? 17:25:19 <aleth> I've never come across that convention before, though I can see the logic :-/ 17:25:34 <clokep_work> aleth: Maybe it doesn't... 17:25:37 <clokep_work> Maybe I'm just crazy. 17:25:46 <clokep_work> Ah, yes. 17:25:51 <aleth> I haven't used Word in ages. 17:26:02 <clokep_work> If you type http://instantbird.org <space> it'll autocomplete the link. 17:26:19 <clokep_work> Pressing "backspace" will remove the link (but keep the space). 17:26:20 <myk> also, kudos to the implementers of /whois! it just came in handy to find out if someone is online or not (since i don't know what channels this person typically inhabits, i couldn't go to them to look for the person) 17:26:44 <clokep_work> myk: aleth also did that. ;) 17:26:56 <myk> thanks aleth! 17:27:00 <aleth> :) 17:28:22 * jwir3 is now known as jwir3|lunch 17:29:13 <logiclord> clokep_work: no directory named instantbird in bin :( 17:29:52 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:30:06 --> myk has joined #instantbird 17:32:30 <clokep_work> logiclord: It's not a directory...it's a file... 17:32:35 <clokep_work> Executable. 17:32:49 <logiclord> no file either 17:33:56 <logiclord> might be build issue in 1.1 17:34:00 <logiclord> :( 17:36:09 <clokep_work> Are you sure the build completed properly? 17:37:09 <logiclord> clokep_work : no. I will try again with newer version... I am still waiting for mercurial to finish for newer version 17:37:19 <clokep_work> aleth: Bug 1366, did you mean to request review? 17:37:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1366 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Inform the user when attempting to send a message to an offline nick 17:37:36 <clokep_work> (And what's the issue with the tooltip?) 17:39:06 <-- igorko has quit (Ping timeout) 17:44:30 <clokep_work> logiclord: If you have the output of your build we could probably tell you if it worked (using pastebin or something). 17:47:26 <logiclord> clokep_work: I ran build in terminal only... no redirection 17:47:43 <logiclord> will revert back after trying again 17:48:55 <clokep_work> Could always copy & paste from the terminal. ;) 17:50:40 <logiclord> clokep_work: not after opening laptop and performing a cleaning operation that to after sudden shutdown 17:53:38 <clokep_work> Haha, I guess not in that case. :D 17:55:15 <logiclord> don't worry I am more stubborn then my laptop :D 17:59:15 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:59:18 --> myk has joined #instantbird 18:02:53 <clokep_work> Haha OK. 18:07:02 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 18:22:34 <-- logiclord has left #instantbird () 18:23:06 <aleth> clokep_work: No, I didn't mean to request review for the patch, as hopefully someone will do a better one. I just thought I'd add it to the bug in case it came in useful after all. 18:23:22 <clokep_work> Oh OK. :) Just checking. 18:24:02 <aleth> The tooltip observer will receive the normalized nick, that's why it must store it too 18:33:23 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 18:40:18 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 18:48:47 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 18:49:24 <clokep_work> aleth: "The tooltip observer will receive the normalized nick, that's why it must store it too" Why must what store what? Why the observer must store the normalized nick? 18:49:53 * jwir3|lunch is now known as jwir3 18:52:16 <aleth> If this.observedUserInfo does not contain the normalized nick, then for capitalized nicks the observer will not recognize the event carrying the returned information. (It makes no sense to have this mechanism use non-normalized nicks as the correct non-normalized nick might not be available until after the call in other situations.) 18:53:01 <clokep_work> Right. Hmm...it sounds to me like that function might be trying to do two different things then. 18:53:16 <-- mmkmou has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:58:24 <aleth> Is there any circumstance where it is actually a problem that getnormalizedchatbuddyname returns the normalized nick? 18:58:43 <aleth> ^^ heretical question 18:59:46 <clokep_work> It's just not being used in the right wa.y 19:00:01 <clokep_work> Theoretically it will cut down on jitter if you have no whois info and they have a captialized nick. 19:00:46 <aleth> Not after that 1321 patch lands I think. 19:01:07 <aleth> But yeah, there should be a consistent expected behaviour for these methods of course. 19:02:00 <clokep_work> The method should be used properly so if it's used in the future it gives expected results. 19:02:21 <clokep_work> But it seems like one of the users actually /does/ want the normalized nick. 19:02:41 <aleth> Maybe there should be two methods in the interface then? 19:03:11 <clokep_work> That's what I'm wondering... 19:03:16 --> flo has joined #instantbird 19:03:16 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:03:18 * clokep_work aways flo. 19:03:23 <clokep_work> Uhh...that was fast. 19:03:29 <clokep_work> s/aways/awaits/ 19:03:45 <aleth> the man who logs in faster than you can type :P 19:04:10 <aleth> clokep_work: I guess your comment on the bug is obsolete then? Or would you still like an answer to that? 19:04:45 <clokep_work> Just copy and paste your comment from above (or our conversation here) please. :) 19:04:48 <flo> I assume that means I should check the log? ;) 19:04:48 <clokep_work> Just to keep it in there. 19:05:32 <flo> clokep_work: by the way, I think you made me discover a race condition bug in Hide Auto-joins 19:05:39 <clokep_work> Woo! 19:05:55 <flo> It probably shouldn't hide chatrooms right pings... 19:06:15 <flo> as if you pinged me after the room had been hidden, that would have shown it 19:08:20 <clokep_work> Right. 19:15:33 <flo> myk: glad you like aleth's recent patches :) 19:16:12 <flo> ""foo: ba" <tab> --> "foo, bar:" <backspace> --> "foo: bar"" sounds interesting 19:17:31 <flo> but it's actually "foo: ba" <tab> --> "foo, bar: " (a space after ":"), so maybe it should be: "foo: ba" <tab> --> "foo, bar: " <backspace> --> "foo: bar " 19:17:55 <clokep_work> That sounds right to me. 19:18:41 <flo> aleth: so the user-info-received notification is fired with the normalized nick rather than the correctly capitalized username? :-S 19:19:32 <aleth> flo: Yes, that's what's used all across JS-IRC internally 19:20:22 <flo> that sounds painful :( 19:21:44 <myk> flo, clokep_work: on first thought, <tab> seems more intuitive than <backspace>, since it's what i pressed to get into the "foo, bar: " state, and my finger is right on it 19:21:46 <clokep_work> But we have no way of knowing the "correct" capitalization until we receive the info. 19:22:22 <myk> flo, clokep_work: and it doesn't do anything currently in the "foo, bar: " state, so there isn't an existing behavior that would change 19:23:17 <flo> the XMPP case is annoying too if we want to actually normalize, as if my nick is "f.queze", the normalized chat buddy name is devel@conference.pidgin.im/f.queze, but the standard normalize function replaces username@server/resource with username@server, so putting that normalized chat buddy name in the normalize method would just return the muc's name :-S 19:23:34 <myk> flo, clokep_work: i.e. "foo: ba<tab>" --> "foo, bar: " <tab> --> "foo: bar " ... 19:23:57 <clokep_work> myk: Yeah, that could make sense. I think that is what Mook_as suggested too? 19:23:57 <flo> myk: I think backspace is more discoverable, as it's what I do press to remove the bogus ":" if I didn't want it 19:24:11 * clokep_work thinks someone should file a bug. ;) 19:24:35 <myk> flo: hmm, perhaps 19:31:06 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1371 filed by clokep@gmail.com. 19:31:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1371 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fast undo for multiple nick completions 19:31:48 <clokep_work> Hopefully that makes sense... 19:35:44 <myk> clokep_work: makes sense to me! 19:45:30 <flo> yes, good summary! :) 19:46:37 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 19:50:29 <aleth> Yes, that's very clear. No reason not to implement both keys really. :) 19:50:50 <clokep_work> aleth: All these completions only work at the beginning of the string, right? 19:50:59 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes. 19:51:05 <clokep_work> Just making sure. :) 19:52:03 <aleth> flo: Did you have a chance to look at the bug 860 patch again? I think you started reviewing it at one point... 19:52:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=860 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Add reading position marker line to conversations 19:57:29 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review? for attachment 1298 on bug 1359. 19:57:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1359 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Abstract the shared methods between ircChannel and ircConversation 20:00:21 <clokep_work> Only 570 open bugs, not bad. ;) 20:00:59 <aleth> I wonder what percentage are feature requests... 20:01:15 <clokep_work> I'd say at least half. 20:02:50 <aleth> Only 39 unconfirmed though ;) 20:04:29 <aleth> Bug 1056 looks like the XMPP version of the one you just fixed 20:04:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1056 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, xmpp autojoin chat room with a password are not supported by the current auto-join feature. 20:05:33 <clokep_work> Was that ever supported? 20:05:52 <aleth> No idea. 20:06:05 <clokep_work> Yeah no, that's a libpurple bug. 20:06:16 * clokep_work hates the whole auto-join thing. 20:06:29 <aleth> Auto-join considered harmful. 20:07:05 <clokep_work> Nah, I just hate the way we have it implemented as a list people type in instead of a nsISimpleEnumerator of ConvChatRoomFields. ;) 20:07:15 <clokep_work> imIConvChatRoomFields rather. 20:07:27 <clokep_work> Or maybe it's imIConvChatRoomFieldValues? Who knows. :( 20:08:09 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 641 to WORKSFORME. 20:08:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Failing to apply update immediately because "Instantbird is still running", before: "instantbird Aut 20:08:33 * gerard-majax_ is now known as gerard-majax 20:09:00 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes, which also leads to the problem of the user being unsure of how to list multiple autojoins (what's the separator?) 20:09:37 <clokep_work> Yes. 20:10:15 <aleth> bug 755, is that a resolved incomplete or worksforme? 20:10:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, can't find libraries on Fedora 14 20:11:50 <aleth> bug 414 is old and I don't understand it - is that still current? 20:11:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, --enable-purple-plugins doesn't work 20:12:07 <clokep_work> 414 is still current. 20:12:19 <aleth> Is it confirmed then? 20:12:22 <clokep_work> aleth: INCOMPLETE 20:12:34 <clokep_work> aleth: It's..."We don't really care, but we wouldn't mind if someone made it compatible" I think...? 20:12:41 <clokep_work> (The INCOMPELTE was for 755) 20:12:54 <clokep_work> Well unless you're on Fedora 14 and it works for you. :) 20:13:48 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 755 to INCOMPLETE. 20:13:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO INCOMPLETE, can't find libraries on Fedora 14 20:23:15 <Mook_as> sounds like that bug is "you need 32 bit gtk-x11 libraries" 20:23:25 <aleth> Mook_as: Pretty much. 20:25:09 <flo> 414 is wontfix but no one dared writing it, because at the time it was filed it didn't feel wontfix 20:31:07 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 20:31:07 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 20:33:26 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Goodnight.) 20:33:35 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 20:34:20 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 20:39:39 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:57:45 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:57:54 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 20:57:54 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 21:02:03 <Mic> aleth: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=severity%3Aenh 21:03:27 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 21:03:49 <aleth> Aha :) So, clokep was right, about half (plus the ones that should be marked enh and aren't I guess) 21:05:04 <-- myk has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:07:22 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 21:13:54 --> myk has joined #instantbird 21:21:02 <-- jwir3 has quit (Input/output error) 21:21:18 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 21:30:15 <-- pvagner has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:31:42 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 21:34:35 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:34:36 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 21:35:30 <clokep> Do we have a bug that buddy requests don't say what account they're for? 21:39:02 <flo> not filed 21:39:35 <flo> I think we have a general agreement that the buddy requests suck, both before and after the recent changes to them 21:40:13 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 414 to WONTFIX. 21:40:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, --enable-purple-plugins doesn't work 21:40:34 <clokep> Yes. :) But those meta ideas don't help! You need actionable issues. ;) 21:41:00 <flo> yeah... you also need someone willing to take action 21:41:07 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:41:11 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 21:41:11 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 21:41:23 <clokep> We need interns...they do all the garbage work. ;) 21:41:59 <-- pvagner has quit (Ping timeout) 21:42:02 <flo> we need a company for that ;) 21:42:40 <flo> there used to be a plan to do that, but I don't think anybody is still believing in it 21:44:44 * clokep thought interns were free. :P 21:45:27 <flo> clokep: you still need to pay for the office from which they work 21:45:38 <clokep> Ah, true. 21:47:45 <flo> and they aren't really free any more, you have to pay them at least 360euros/month I think 21:47:51 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:47:57 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 21:47:57 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 21:48:09 <clokep> Yeah, I was joking. I just know we consider them "free" since they're a lot less than our full time employees. 21:49:09 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 21:49:09 <flo> they used to be free in France ;) 21:51:56 <clokep> Hah. 21:52:35 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:52:40 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 21:52:41 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 21:53:30 <Mic> Is there a way to prevent adding Omegle-contacts to the contact list? 21:54:00 <flo> if you add one, we should use it for facebook chat too 21:56:15 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 1.1.19/2010030105]) 21:56:51 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 21:56:57 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 21:56:57 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 21:57:38 * clokep wonders what aleth is testing. 21:58:21 <aleth> Only logging in and out... sorry 21:58:30 --> jwir3 has joined #instantbird 22:00:01 <clokep> Ah OK. :( 22:19:42 * bear|buildduty is now known as bear-afk 22:38:52 <Mic> nn 22:38:56 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:03:47 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:03:54 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 23:03:54 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 23:14:02 * jwir3 is now known as jwir3|away 23:28:32 <flo> Good night 23:28:33 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:52:00 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 23:52:24 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 23:52:24 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 23:54:26 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:54:29 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 23:54:30 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 23:55:38 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:55:43 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 23:55:43 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 23:58:14 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:58:18 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 23:58:18 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 23:59:13 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 23:59:16 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 23:59:16 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth