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00:20:24 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 00:32:17 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 00:53:54 <-- mmkmou has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 01:06:17 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 01:52:34 --> waynenguyen_1 has joined #instantbird 02:06:14 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 02:23:09 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 02:54:52 <instant-buildbot> build #442 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/442 03:26:44 <-- NmN has quit (Ping timeout) 04:02:45 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 04:47:42 <instant-buildbot> build #526 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/526 05:15:43 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 05:57:58 <-- NmN has quit (Ping timeout) 06:02:27 <instant-buildbot> build #430 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/430 06:18:51 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 07:11:41 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:21:45 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 07:32:35 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 07:40:09 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 07:40:32 --> FeuerFliege_TB has joined #instantbird 08:03:06 <-- wesj has quit (Ping timeout) 08:03:25 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 08:05:47 --> jb has joined #instantbird 08:06:32 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 08:06:32 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 08:16:32 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 08:16:49 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 08:25:33 <-- Evep has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 08:25:43 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:25:44 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 08:46:28 --> BYK has joined #instantbird 08:49:33 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:49:33 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 08:49:46 <Mic> Hello. 08:58:48 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 09:21:10 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 09:21:17 --> Even has joined #instantbird 09:21:17 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:26:32 <BYK> hi Mic 09:27:57 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 09:40:16 --> flo has joined #instantbird 09:40:16 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:40:54 <flo> hello :) 09:41:03 <flo> so it seems we will skip libpurple 2.10.2 ;) 09:43:31 <EionRobb> slowpokes 09:43:46 <EionRobb> :) 09:48:36 <BYK> flo: Any thoughts on integrating t.co resolving for Twitter? 09:48:47 <flo> BYK: we already do it 09:49:04 <BYK> flo: I'm using the nightly and don't see it? :( 09:49:05 <flo> except if something has changed recently on the twitter side 09:49:06 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 09:49:18 <BYK> flo: Ah sorry, I see it sometimes 09:49:26 <BYK> I guess it doesn't work for twitpic or ismilar things 09:49:39 <flo> BYK: it doesn't work for tweats coming from the search API which is a piece of crap 09:49:47 <flo> BYK: you said t.co 09:49:47 <BYK> flo: Any thoughts about embedding inline image viewing for picture services used in twitter? :D :P 09:50:08 <BYK> flo: Yeah, I saw a t.co address which resolved into a twitpic url 09:50:36 <BYK> 12:23:53 - pijava: yok bu ulkenin topraginda suyunda bi bokluk var, uluslararasi sirket pfizer bile buraya gelince 'erkeklige' sarilmis http://t.co/fqbLRlL2 09:50:48 <BYK> the text is in turkish thought the url is not resolved 09:50:53 <flo> usually for "Any thoughts about <whatever>? :P" the answer is "no :P" 09:51:28 <BYK> flo: That's good, because I have the intention :D 09:51:36 <flo> because a question finishing with ":P" rarely deserves any thoughts 09:52:06 <BYK> flo: Ah, that was because I asked two things in a row where the first one was already implemented. 09:53:36 * flo wonders if anybody has any thoughts about fixing the bugs in https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=sw%3A1.2&list_id=809 09:54:24 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:54:24 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 09:54:38 <BYK> flo: I'll be on bug 958 once I finish the translations 09:54:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show last messages (history) in new chat windows 09:54:44 <BYK> flo: Boy, you do have a large FAQ 09:56:30 <flo> I think I could have some use for an add-on removing "flo: " from the beginning of each of BYK's message :) 09:57:13 <BYK> Haha :D Sorry about that. I jsut want to make sure your window flashes when I say something specifically to you ;) 09:57:30 <flo> my window never flashes; I'm on Mac. 09:57:36 <BYK> Duh! :D 09:57:53 <BYK> Alright though, I'll stop that 09:58:06 <flo> thanks :) 10:00:28 <BYK> About bug 1046, what about not showing the account manager at all and notify the user via the built-in notification system? 10:00:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1046 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Account window shows up on disconnect/reconnect 10:00:52 <BYK> And if the user clicks on the notification, then the maanger windows is shown? 10:01:07 <flo> the notification is shown for 5 seconds 10:01:18 <flo> I expect most people's coffee breaks to take longer 10:03:10 <BYK> Do we have an option for persistent notifications? OR may be we can change the dock/window icon to something that shows the status like a broken connection or spinning arrows to show that we are trying to reconnect? 10:03:49 <BYK> I know Windows 7 has support for such things and Mac probably does too but I'm not sure about the Linux world, especially for KDE 10:04:45 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 10:05:01 <-- waynenguyen_1 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 10:21:00 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:21:01 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:21:28 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 10:27:52 <-- instant-buildbot has quit (Quit: buildmaster reconfigured: bot disconnecting) 10:27:59 --> instant-buildbot has joined #instantbird 10:27:59 * ChanServ sets mode +v instant-buildbot 10:31:33 <flo> clokep: hello :) 10:31:40 <clokep> Hello fl. 10:32:17 <flo> when I try to send a message in an IRC conversation of a disconnected account, there's no user-visible feedback that it failed + the message appears in the conversation 10:32:31 <clokep> Oh? Hmmm... 10:32:48 <flo> in the error console I see "Warning: Failed to convert PRIVMSG NickServ :test from Unicode to UTF-8. Source File: file:///.../components/irc.js Line: 772 10:32:51 <clokep> Well we no longer check if you're in the room, but I think we check if you're offline before trying to send...but I doubt we throw an error message. 10:33:04 <flo> followed by Error: Socket error: TypeError: this._socket is null 10:33:08 <flo> I think we can do better! :) 10:33:15 <clokep> I agree. 10:33:27 <flo> I tried that in a nickserv conversation 10:33:31 <flo> (in Thunderbird!) 10:34:47 <FeuerFliege_TB> hi 10:35:48 <flo> FeuerFliege_TB: hello :) 10:37:12 <clokep> Alright. 10:37:23 <clokep> Yeah we should be able to do better fairly easily. :P Mind filing a bug? 10:37:54 <flo> I'm alreading filing it :) 10:38:35 <flo> oh, you are default cc for the irc component 10:38:47 <flo> aren't you a global watcher anyway? 10:39:17 <clokep> Yes. 10:39:28 <clokep> It seemed ot make sense though... 10:40:06 <flo> I don't mind it. Just doesn't seem very useful :) 10:40:20 <clokep> Draws my attention when I read the emails. ;) 10:40:24 <flo> except if you have different email settings when you are cc'ed or just watcher (not sure if it's possible) 10:42:37 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1353 filed by florian@instantbird.org. 10:42:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1353 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, No user feedback when sending a message in a conversation of an offline account 10:44:27 <clokep> There might be a header for it I'm not sure. 10:45:02 <flo> you could definitely filter for emails containing "you are receiving this email because you are in the CC list" 10:45:19 <clokep> Yeah. 10:45:25 <clokep> Unfortunately I think I'm CCed on like every Instantbird bug. ;) 10:46:05 <clokep> So for that bug...I'm not sure if it should be fixed in IRC code or like JsProto code or where. :-/ 10:49:43 <flo> socket.jsm? 10:49:58 <flo> well, the crappy errors messages I have in the console come from irc.js 10:50:18 <clokep> Maybe, I think it's hard to write a general message in socket.jsm because some protocols don't show a message in the conversation until it's received back from the server. 10:50:29 <clokep> But crappy protocols show it immediately with no notification of delievery... 11:04:05 <-- clokep has quit (Input/output error) 11:05:49 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 11:09:21 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 11:14:20 <Mic> oh, cool :) 11:14:35 <Mic> You can close windows from the Aero preview with a middle click. That's nice :) 11:15:25 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:42:51 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 11:42:51 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 11:47:06 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:47:06 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 12:04:21 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:17:05 <-- FeuerFliege_TB has quit (Quit: FeuerFliege_TB) 12:17:25 --> FeuerFliege_TB has joined #instantbird 12:18:24 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:18:25 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 12:19:17 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 12:26:50 --> Evep has joined #instantbird 12:27:08 <-- Even has quit (Ping timeout) 12:39:58 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 12:40:07 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 12:47:23 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 12:52:22 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:55:24 <-- lewellyn has quit (Ping timeout) 13:00:23 <-- FeuerFliege_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 13:40:23 <-- BYK has quit (Quit: Cheers!) 13:54:47 --> FeuerFliege_TB has joined #instantbird 14:02:03 <-- FeuerFliege_TB has quit (Quit: FeuerFliege_TB) 14:02:40 <-- pvagner has quit (Ping timeout) 14:12:13 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 14:17:38 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 14:17:41 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 14:18:29 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 14:18:30 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 14:19:44 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 14:33:08 --> logiclord has joined #instantbird 14:35:28 <Mic> Hello logiclord :) 14:35:37 <logiclord> Hi Mic 14:38:27 <logiclord> Mic I added iChat and kopete as well :) .... currently messing up with xpcom :-/ 14:45:05 <Mic> Yes, I saw that. 14:45:26 <-- sonny has quit (Client exited) 14:45:30 <Mic> "Need to access windows registry for clients like Google talk" -> was that a permission problem or were you just wondering how to do that? 14:49:02 <logiclord> Mic We can access registry in windows but just a confirmation about the privileges that we will need 14:49:14 <logiclord> I have a sample code as well ;) 14:49:24 <Mic> OK, good :) 14:49:36 <flo> I don't see why you would need additional privileges for reading 14:50:14 <Mic> Is your concern about accessing the registry without telling the user? 14:50:22 <logiclord> Mic : yes 14:50:32 <Mic> I don't think it's better/worse than scanning the harddisk for other clients. 14:50:45 <logiclord> flo : I need to access certain files in linux systems which may require root access 14:51:16 <flo> I meant reading in the registry :) 14:51:56 <logiclord> flo : no nothing special is required for reading from windows registry 14:52:17 <logiclord> I added that just to pin point that we are going to access it 14:52:20 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 14:52:31 <-- sonny has quit (Client exited) 14:52:36 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 14:52:53 <logiclord> Mic yes we just need to give path to read from 14:53:02 --> jc has joined #instantbird 14:53:08 <Mic> In my opinion it's OK already to do it if the user agreed that we should look for other clients/things to import 14:53:31 <Mic> If it's looking in the registry or the appdata folder is just details then imo 14:53:54 <logiclord> Mic okay we can remove it 14:54:19 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:54:29 <Mic> bbl 14:55:31 <logiclord> I was going through developers docs at mozilla and everything seems to be related to or using something else :-/ 14:57:01 <flo> what do you mean? 14:59:29 <logiclord> there are broken links in wiki e.g. http://www.ondrejd.info/projects/xpcomviewer/ at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/How_to_Build_an_XPCOM_Component_in_Javascript 15:01:19 <logiclord> similar minor issue.. don't worry I am on it :) 15:04:25 <flo> developer.mozilla.org has lots of good content, but also lots of outdated content ;) 15:07:03 <logiclord> flo : I think we need XUL and XPCOM ... XUL for ui stuff and XPCOM for architecture deisgn and flexibility 15:07:33 <flo> right. I think each importer should be an XPCOM component 15:08:02 <logiclord> so I need to standardize interfaces ? 15:15:45 <flo> all importers will expose the same xpcom interface to the core 15:20:01 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 15:27:09 <Mic> bye 15:27:11 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:38:26 --> `Kaishi has joined #instantbird 15:39:04 <-- Kaishi has quit (Ping timeout) 15:48:54 <-- NmN has quit (Ping timeout) 15:50:01 --> myk has joined #instantbird 15:50:40 --> pvagner has joined #instantbird 15:50:47 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 15:54:35 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 15:55:45 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 15:57:54 * jwir3|away is now known as jwir3 16:00:32 <-- Evep has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:08:26 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:10:45 <-- jc has quit (Ping timeout) 16:11:37 --> metap0d43 has joined #instantbird 16:11:55 <metap0d43> Hello? 16:12:35 --> jc has joined #instantbird 16:12:55 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 16:12:58 <-- wesj has quit (Quit: wesj) 16:13:01 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 16:14:10 <metap0d43> I downloaded InstantBird for windows and I am really enjoying it. I am confused with IRC though. I have made it auto-connect to some channels when I log-in... but isn't there a way to have irc channels appear in the contact list? 16:14:22 <metap0d43> if I close the irc window I have no easy way to get back into a chat 16:14:43 <metap0d43> unless I go to File -> Join Chat... and go back into all of them manually 16:19:02 <clokep_work> metap0d43: What version of Instantbird are you using? 16:19:43 <clokep_work> You can't add chats to the buddy list, but you can "put them on hold" to the buddy list once they're opened. 16:21:07 <-- pvagner has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:22:45 <metap0d43> clokep_work: Isn't there a way to make it so if I minimize windows they go on hold? 16:24:16 <clokep_work> If you x out of them they should. 16:24:20 <clokep_work> What version are you using? 16:24:55 <metap0d43> version 1.1 16:25:06 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 16:25:07 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 16:25:15 <metap0d43> if I x out yes, it's just a habit of mine to naturally minimize a window or select conversations from the list 16:26:08 <clokep_work> Do you have each chat in a different window? 16:26:22 <metap0d43> no they are tabbed 16:27:10 <clokep_work> OK, so...you're saying when you minimize the window you want all of your chat rooms to go into the buddy list? 16:27:14 <clokep_work> Isn't that what happens when you close it? 16:27:21 <clokep_work> I don't see how that has anything to do with minimizing. :-/ 16:28:36 <Mic> metap0d43: Escape minimizes the conversation window to the taskbar if that's good enough for you? 16:28:48 <Mic> i.e. the 'ESC'-key 16:34:42 <metap0d43> i use escape : P 16:34:45 <metap0d43> the behavior seems weird 16:36:01 <Mic> Why do you think it weird and what would you have expected? 16:38:20 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout) 16:38:20 <-- NmN has quit (Ping timeout) 16:38:32 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 16:38:32 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 16:40:24 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 16:40:41 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 16:42:15 <metap0d43> Most (technically) all other clients I've used provide access to the chat rooms in the buddy list 16:42:25 <metap0d43> escape normally closes the window, exiting it 16:42:48 <metap0d43> i essentially have to press the X or alt+f4 to put the conversations into the buddy list on hold 16:42:49 <metap0d43> actually 16:42:56 <metap0d43> every single thing is done differently 16:43:26 <metap0d43> also if I add chatroom #xyz and check "Join bla bla on connect" 16:43:31 <metap0d43> there is no option to later remove it 16:43:39 <metap0d43> not a big deal just an annoyance 16:47:11 <clokep_work> metap0d43: That's in the account settings. There's a list of auto-joined channels. 16:47:53 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:47:54 <metap0d43> Ah well I stand corrected there 16:48:00 <metap0d43> This is just going to take some getting used to 16:48:24 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 16:48:27 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 16:50:10 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 16:50:58 <-- metap0d43 has quit (Client exited) 16:51:15 --> metap0d43 has joined #instantbird 16:53:02 <clokep_work> Ctrl+w also puts them on hold metap0d43. 17:05:14 <-- mmkmou has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:05:28 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 17:08:25 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 17:08:28 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 17:09:24 <-- `Kaishi has quit (Ping timeout) 17:12:48 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 17:14:01 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 17:34:22 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 17:46:18 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 17:47:38 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:47:38 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 17:51:42 <-- wesj has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:51:46 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 17:51:46 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 17:52:51 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 17:57:27 <-- jc has quit (Ping timeout) 18:04:57 * aleth will fix 1321 once dependencies land 18:05:03 --> b3rnd has joined #instantbird 18:05:20 <aleth> (that was re flos question) 18:06:31 <-- logiclord has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 18:10:18 <-- b3rnd has left #instantbird () 18:22:32 <-- myk has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:32:21 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:32:30 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 18:32:30 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 18:32:53 --> myk has joined #instantbird 18:38:22 <-- metap0d43 has quit (Client exited) 18:46:33 <-- jwir3 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:46:50 --> jwir3 has joined #instantbird 18:47:12 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout) 18:48:46 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 18:50:15 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 18:51:08 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 18:51:08 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 19:24:38 --> flo has joined #instantbird 19:24:39 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:25:34 <flo> so it seems we have another user think Escape should put on hold rather than minimize ;) 19:25:41 <flo> *thinking 19:27:29 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 19:31:25 <clokep_work> flo: From #maildev earlier: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/21809 19:32:52 <flo> clokep_work: thanks :) 19:34:51 <clokep_work> Do you know if they log btw? 19:38:19 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 19:40:30 <flo> I don't think they do 19:41:10 <flo> are you thinking that instantbot should spend some time over there? :) 19:42:46 <clokep_work> I'm wondering if something should. :P 19:42:51 <clokep_work> But I don't really want to read all those logs. ;) 19:43:15 <flo> I don't want to read them either 19:43:30 <clokep_work> And having them will tempt me. :P 19:43:52 <flo> I may want to see if there was a reply within an hour or two after I said something just before having to go though 19:50:49 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 19:55:46 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 19:57:31 <-- mmkmou has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:02:37 <-- sonny has quit (Client exited) 20:05:16 <clokep_work> So you want a secretary to keep messages for you? ;) 20:07:46 <flo> isn't that instantbot's job description? 20:07:58 <clokep_work> People should just use memoserv. ;) 20:10:30 <-- skeledrew has quit (Client exited) 20:10:43 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 20:10:57 <-- skeledrew has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:14:17 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 20:15:55 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 20:21:12 <-- NmN has quit (Connection timed out) 20:21:29 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 20:29:03 <clokep_work> flo: Does Pidgin even do half the things mentioned in that email? 20:29:33 <flo> he said he loves Pidgin so much that he uses Gmail all the time ;) 20:30:36 <clokep_work> True. :) 20:32:07 <flo> but yes, Pidgin does all of that 20:32:17 <flo> you can disable individual sounds (I think) 20:32:41 <clokep_work> I think we can disable outgoing sounds only in nightlies. 20:32:45 <Mook_as> sound schemes! :D 20:32:48 <flo> you can use an ugly popup that's part of the stupid toolbar above the textbox to insert a smiley 20:33:04 <flo> and you can display previous messages with a poor plugin that does what it can to parse the stupid logs 20:33:08 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: If I see someone say InstantBird instead of Instantbird again...I'm going to go hunt that person down and...!) 20:33:16 --> jc has joined #instantbird 20:33:48 <flo> "I think we can disable outgoing sounds only in nightlies." if you go play with about config, or install an add-on 20:33:54 <aleth> Mic had a nice smiley-inserter-addon in the works ;) 20:34:42 <flo> Mic has a lot of nice but unfinished add-on/WIP patches ;) 20:35:34 <flo> Mook_as: yeah, but I think what we really need is a sound designer that understand that most sounds we play shouldn't be heard, but just give auditory feedback 20:36:03 <Mook_as> or we can default to no sounds and let crazy people add it themselves 20:38:09 <-- NmN has quit (Connection timed out) 20:38:32 --> NmN has joined #instantbird 20:40:37 <flo> in case BYK reads the log, @twitterapi has just tweeted "22:28:19 - twitterapi: The issue you may be noticing with t.co links not resolving in Tweet Entities is transient and should be resolved soon. ^TS" 20:52:13 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 20:57:18 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 20:57:26 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 21:04:59 <-- jc has quit (Ping timeout) 21:22:46 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 21:22:55 <DGMurdockIII> hi 21:23:02 <-- NmN has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 21:23:47 <DGMurdockIII> do you guys now that the instantbird nightly has been crashing when seing a im google talk 21:24:10 <DGMurdockIII> crashed again 21:24:16 <DGMurdockIII> i can send one IM 21:24:44 <DGMurdockIII> i had to use chatzilla to connect to the irc server and channel 21:29:35 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 21:36:18 <DGMurdockIII> hello 21:36:42 <DGMurdockIII> i cant send anyone IM's with out instantburd crashing 21:37:44 <DGMurdockIII> hello 21:38:14 <DGMurdockIII> i would like to know at least that this is a known problem and you are working on it 21:38:30 <DGMurdockIII> is there some way i can make it know 21:38:50 <DGMurdockIII> i have submited crash reports with info what i was doing when it crashed 21:38:57 <DGMurdockIII> i have done ever update 21:39:06 <DGMurdockIII> even the ones that where small 21:41:53 <flo> DGMurdockIII: clokep has been seeing this too since the update to Mozilla 11. 21:42:06 <flo> and probably a few other users 21:42:13 <DGMurdockIII> yeah 21:42:22 <flo> but we also have Windows users that still run Instantbird without any problem after that update 21:42:53 <DGMurdockIII> i just got the lastest nightly install 21:42:58 <DGMurdockIII> \form sight 21:43:01 <DGMurdockIII> site 21:43:07 <DGMurdockIII> and now it seem to be ok 21:43:11 <DGMurdockIII> but 21:43:16 <flo> so nobody is really working on it, because we have no idea of the cause. I suspect it's a DLL on the system that causes the problem, but I don't know which one 21:43:23 <Mic> flo: for me escape is inconvenient because it's something I need to do often. Escape to minimize it, alt+tab to get the window back. If I put a conversation on hold though, it's because I don't want to look at it for a while (and will need to use the mouse to get it back anyways). 21:43:53 <DGMurdockIII> i would look at the bug report i sent to see if there any help 21:44:29 <flo> DGMurdockIII: they are all in this list, right? http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/list?product=Instantbird&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query=&date=&range_value=3&range_unit=days&process_type=all&plugin_field=&plugin_query_type=&plugin_query=&do_query=1&signature=KERNELBASE.dll%400xb9bc 21:44:39 <Mic> I think I should try to make that into understandable sentences ;) 21:44:54 <flo> Mic: I understood what you meant 21:45:25 <flo> I just think you got used to this behavior because it's the current behavior, not because it makes sense 21:45:40 <DGMurdockIII> yep 21:45:46 <flo> I believe for most people "escape" means "get rid of this window", and doesn't necessarily imply a way to get it back 21:45:58 <Mic> I want an easy key to get the window out of the way (and I have an easy one to get it back, i.e alt+tab) 21:46:16 <flo> alt+tab should also get it out of the way 21:46:22 <flo> except if you have only the Desktop behind it 21:46:30 <flo> in which case Windows+M or D should do 21:47:27 <flo> Mic: note: on Mac the minimized windows are actually excluded from what you can focus with Command+tab 21:47:51 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 12.0/20120321033733]) 21:48:23 <Mic> So that is not more convenient than our convs on hold there :( 21:49:26 <Mic> Good night 21:49:29 <-- Mic has quit (Input/output error) 21:58:21 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 1.1.19/2010030105]) 22:05:00 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 22:19:58 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 22:19:58 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 22:32:45 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:32:46 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 22:36:38 <-- clokep has quit (Input/output error) 22:36:58 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:36:58 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 22:37:03 <-- clokep has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:37:25 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:37:25 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 22:37:28 <aleth> clokep: crashing? 22:37:28 <-- clokep has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:40:51 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:40:51 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 22:40:58 <clokep> aleth: Was trying an update... 22:41:05 <clokep> But still crashing, yes. :( 22:42:41 <aleth> :( 22:47:31 <flo> do you have a way to figure out where you are actually crashing? 22:54:29 <clokep> I think it's when I receive a message on IRC autojoin. 22:54:40 <clokep> I'll try in a bit. 22:55:07 <clokep> (Maybe it's from nickserv, not autojion?) 22:56:25 <flo> could it be when opening a <browser>? 22:56:43 <flo> that would seem like the perfect time to load the crappy plugins living on the system 22:58:06 <clokep> Could be... 22:58:21 <clokep> I can try that. 22:58:23 <clokep> Give me a few minutes. :) 22:58:46 <flo> try what? 22:59:04 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout) 23:00:32 <clokep> To narrow it down. ;) 23:01:57 <clokep> flo: If I send or receive an IM on GTalk it crashes. 23:02:36 <flo> so you can open a conversation window without crashing? 23:02:55 --> myk has joined #instantbird 23:02:57 <clokep> Yes. 23:03:19 <clokep> I disabled all the plug-ins in the Add-ons window and i still crash when receiving an IM. 23:03:19 <flo> can you look at a non-empty conversation? (a json log for example) 23:03:47 <clokep> Yes. 23:04:30 <flo> does it crash too when receiving a message on a libpurple-prpl? 23:04:34 <clokep> It also crashes with AIM. 23:04:37 <clokep> Was just checking that. :) 23:04:50 <flo> I was wondering if it could be socket.jsm :) 23:04:54 <clokep> It crash when I sent one, I can try receiving too. 23:05:08 <flo> but well, if it was that you shouldn't be able to connect without crashing :-S 23:05:54 <clokep> Mmhmm. 23:06:01 <clokep> Anything else to try? :-/ 23:06:05 <flo> try disabling the sounds 23:07:52 <clokep> flo: That's it. 23:07:59 <flo> :) 23:08:08 <clokep> Can send and receive messages. 23:08:43 * clokep goes to update. 23:09:12 <aleth> Sounds... that explains the DLL ;) 23:09:22 <aleth> Probably some driver? 23:09:32 <flo> quite possible 23:09:50 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:10:04 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:10:04 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 23:10:14 <clokep> Why hello there Moz11! 23:11:43 <flo> so what's the next step? 23:11:53 * clokep is search bmo. 23:11:57 <flo> look at the list of modules in the crashes and see if there's the same sound driver for all of them? 23:12:08 <clokep> That's a good idea too. 23:12:13 <flo> or look at the diff between moz10 and moz11 to see what was changed w.r.t. sounds? 23:13:13 <Mook_as> which crash is this? 23:13:32 <flo> or blog "if you are on Windows and your instantbird nightly has been crashing each time you receive a message during the last 2 days, disable sounds. We are still investigating the real cause."? 23:13:41 <flo> Mook_as: http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/list?product=Instantbird&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query=&date=&range_value=3&range_unit=days&process_type=all&plugin_field=&plugin_query_type=&plugin_query=&do_query=1&signature=KERNELBASE.dll%400xb9bc 23:16:24 <Mook_as> it looks like the reason is Module not found 23:16:31 <Mook_as> (from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8271258/delay-load-dll-exception-0xc06d007e-module-not-found-when-application-start ) 23:26:58 <flo> Mook_as: "which module?" is the interesting question ;) 23:27:37 <Mook_as> yeah. unfortunately you'd probably need to stare at a minidump to get that 23:28:19 <Mook_as> (let it crash, don't submit, grab the .dmp from crash reports, open it with windbg or visual studio) 23:31:52 <flo> I suspected https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677797 but it's been backed out 23:32:29 <flo> Mook_as: why not just open the application with visual studio to begin with, and look at the stack once it's crashed? 23:32:31 <clokep> If you need what Mook_as suggests I might be able to get it. 23:32:46 <Mook_as> flo: because sometimes I'm not as smart as you are ;) 23:33:02 <flo> and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728429 is only for moz13 23:45:53 <flo> anyway, good night! :) 23:46:15 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com)