#instantbird log on 03 15 2012

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00:56:20 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1253 on bug 1291.
00:56:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1291 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Source displayed in "entered the room" system messages for JS-IRC is too verbose
00:57:51 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1253 on bug 1291.
00:57:52 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1254 on bug 1291.
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03:48:20 <instant-buildbot> build #427 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/427
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05:42:17 <instant-buildbot> build #513 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/513
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06:52:54 <instant-buildbot> build #417 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/417
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09:55:22 <FeuerFliege> hi flo
09:55:31 <FeuerFliege> hi everyone
09:55:31 <flo> hello :)
09:56:07 <FeuerFliege> I noticed that TB-Daily comes now with a chat function.
09:57:08 <flo> how do you feel about it? :)
09:59:05 <FeuerFliege> It works, but I haven’t tested it much yet. But I would like to have chat-sidebar, and more chat-protocols included.
10:02:01 <FeuerFliege> I like how the account settings and options are included to the standard TB menus
10:05:55 <flo> the integration between the chat features and the rest of the application should be better in the future
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10:25:13 <clokep> Hello. :)
10:25:38 <flo> hello clokep  :)
10:25:43 <flo> I was looking at your new patch
10:25:50 <flo> is that message.source localizable string really needed?
10:26:15 <clokep> I'm not sure. :)
10:26:25 <clokep> You'r emuch more an expert on localizability.
10:30:11 <flo> what's the change in the command.mode string?
10:31:00 <clokep> Unrelated. :(
10:31:08 <clokep> Sorry. I have a ton of changes to my IRC code right now...
10:31:18 <clokep> I need to get better at making patches. I'm working on it!
10:31:24 <clokep> Was researching in mq a bit. :)
10:32:23 <flo> how frequent is it that we don't know anything at all about the new participant?
10:32:38 <flo> (I'm wondering if we could get away with fixing this without any string change)
10:32:49 <clokep> AFAIK? Essentially never.
10:34:31 <clokep> I tried to do it without string changes, but couldn't come up with a seemingly acceptable way.
10:34:53 <clokep> If we were to hard code the source to be " [<source>]" or "" if it doesn't exist...that would work I think.
10:35:23 <flo> well, without string change it would display [] in the conversation when we know nothing
10:35:25 <flo> is it acceptable?
10:36:52 <flo> I'm confused on how we are going to maintain chat/ in both comm-central and our repository in the next few weeks :(
10:37:11 <flo> I also noticed this morning that the new situation completely changes our situation for l10n
10:37:18 <clokep> Well comm-central is easy right? It can accept string changes...
10:37:26 <clokep> comm-aurora is the hard one...
10:37:28 <flo> as all of chat/ will already be translated for Thunderbird by the time we send our strings to our Instantbird translators
10:38:11 <flo> but that only works if we take strings that are already in comm-<whatever corresponds> when we release
10:39:21 <clokep> Right. :-/
10:39:52 <clokep> Unless we only ever release from comm-<whatever one has l20n done? beta?>
10:40:16 <flo> so yeah... I'm generally confused by this topic; all I know is I would like someone else to think about all of this for me/us :-D
10:40:27 <flo> l20n??
10:40:40 <flo> is it landing soon?
10:44:53 <clokep> l10n, sorry. :)
10:45:03 <clokep> I hope l20n lands soon and gets rid of the crappy API surrounding l10n.
10:45:21 <clokep> flo: I'm OK with essentialy just inserting blank [] if there is no source.
10:45:30 <flo> the last drafts of l20n I saw were scary
10:45:33 <clokep> I don't have time to update that patch though.
10:46:10 <flo> no emergency :)
10:47:15 <clokep> Well actually...I might...
10:47:24 <clokep> It's early still...should only be a few lines of changes.
10:48:12 <flo> I don't know if that change is really a good idea
10:48:20 <flo> (but we could land it immediately)
10:48:31 <flo> (without having to think about the implications of changing strings)
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10:53:10 <clokep> flo: Is those changes http://pastebin.instantbird.com/19521
10:53:39 <clokep> We could always make the strings suck less later if we wanted to.
10:53:40 <clokep> I need to go.
10:53:43 <clokep> Bye!
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11:23:37 <Yoric> Hi
11:23:57 <Yoric> Well, I had to reinstall today's nightly, because yesterday's still wouldn
11:24:01 <Yoric> Well, I had to reinstall today's nightly, because yesterday's still wouldn't work (or update).
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11:24:51 <flo> Yoric: and today's works fine? :)
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11:25:00 <Yoric> So far, so good :)
11:26:47 <flo> :)
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11:48:09 * flo wonders why bug 1321 hasn't moved for a week
11:48:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1321 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Display name is lower case for IRC DMs
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11:58:22 <clokep_work> flo: Because my final comments weren't addressed...
11:58:37 <clokep_work> And I think aleth is having it depend on the /whois command bug kind of?
11:58:55 <clokep_work> Ah! I actually did r- it. :)
11:58:59 <clokep_work> I thought you meant I left a hanging r?.
12:00:04 <flo> yeah... wondering if yout latest comments have scared aleth, or if he thought you wanted to look more at it/patch it yourself
12:00:07 <flo> *your
12:01:05 <clokep_work> Maybe. :(
12:01:45 * flo wonders how many poeple BrowserId has discouraged from contributing to developer.mozilla.org
12:02:00 <flo> it's the third time I want to edit something and can't because I need to setup a browserid account
12:02:06 <clokep_work> :(
12:02:14 <clokep_work> I thought that was supposed to make it easier. :P
12:02:18 <flo> and I still don't understand why editing a wiki requires me to provide a valid email address that I can remember
12:03:09 <flo> + setting up the account is supposed to send me a confirmation email; which I still haven't received several minutes later.
12:03:41 <flo> maybe it will arrive during lunch...
12:04:01 <aleth> flo: It depends on getting the properly capitalized nick from somewhere, which is part of my whois patch
12:04:11 <aleth> I think I marked it as blocking for that reason
12:06:40 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 1249 on bug 1332.
12:06:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Implement /whois and /whowas commands
12:10:57 <aleth> Are they using developer.mozilla.wiki to dogfood browserid? Maybe you should give them some feedback...
12:15:10 <clokep_work> flo: If you don't remove an observer you cause a leak, right?
12:16:35 * clokep_work thinks aleth's code in bug 1332 might caues that...
12:16:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Implement /whois and /whowas commands
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12:59:22 <Mayflower> ohai o.o
12:59:53 <Mayflower> just wanted to drop in and ask if 64 bit build of ib is coming anytime soon?
13:00:42 <flo> clokep_work: depends on the situation
13:01:00 <Mayflower> mingw-w64 has been used successfully with other apps already <_<
13:01:20 <flo> Mayflower: oh, you weren't asking for linux 64bit?
13:01:38 <Mayflower> linux 64bit is trivial, afaik
13:03:16 <Mayflower> i'd build that myself if i was still using linux, but i'm using windows now and setting up build environments in this is oddly hard
13:03:49 <Even> What are you expecting from a 64bit version on Windows ?
13:04:38 <Even> I can see why a 64bits version of Ib is wanted on Linux (gtk breaks the UI style of the app if it is running in 64bits but not the app)
13:05:13 <Mayflower> I'm expecting it to skip the WoW subsystem
13:05:15 <Even> But the only interesting thing about 64bit versions is the possibility to use more than 2GB of RAM.
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13:05:46 <Even> But I don't expect any user to look forward Ib being able to get over this memory usage anyway :)
13:06:33 <Even> I understand that.
13:06:40 <Even> But what is the actual benefit of not using it ?
13:06:58 <Even> It's not like it's really hurting performances anyway...
13:07:05 <flo> I think even Firefox doesn't have official Win64 builds
13:07:14 <Even> Yeah, I don't think it has.
13:07:36 <Mayflower> firefox doesn't have them mostly because flash and such don't have stable 64 bit build yet either, iirc
13:08:08 <Mayflower> and they have a need to stay compatible with that
13:08:12 <flo> Mayflower: and also because there's no clearly identified benefit of having it
13:09:29 <Mayflower> it also removes the need to have both 64bit and 32bit libraries on the system
13:09:47 <Even> Mayflower: that would be true but they are already there anyway...
13:10:18 <Mayflower> on windows that's true, but on linux you can get rid of them
13:10:31 <Mayflower> or even not have them in the first place
13:10:42 <Even> Yeah.
13:10:44 <flo> Mayflower: you said you aren't interested in Linux. Try to stay consistent in what you request ;)
13:10:55 <Even> That's why I told earlier that a 64bit version on Linux is sensitive.
13:11:01 <Even> We don't agree about Windows here.
13:11:43 <Even> We are likely to go for a 64bit version on Linux in the future. There is some talk about it here and there.
13:12:10 <Even> The main reason it's not done already is only we don't look forward the work it represents to maintain support right now.
13:12:33 <Even> The difference is that with Windows we can't even fathom the reason why we should do it.
13:12:39 <Mayflower> well, I want to be rid of anything that uses wow64, no point in having same libraries loaded twice into memory just because some apps refuse to move to 64bit
13:12:49 <Even> wow32 you mean.
13:13:08 <Even> Well, I hope you be successful in your noble quest.
13:13:14 <flo> Mayflower: sounds like installing another OS is the way to go if wow is really what you want to get rid of.
13:13:17 <Mayflower> wow32 runs 16bit apps
13:13:28 <Even> But I doubt it will come anytime soon. And mind me, it's not Ib that's going to be the latecomer there.
13:13:48 <Even> I believe we're only going to wait until there is a clear objective in achieving it :)
13:14:01 <Mayflower> see, wow64 -> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa384249(v=vs.85).aspx
13:14:04 <Even> (and until it's fully supported by Mozilla too ^^)
13:15:32 <Mayflower> so your answer effectively is: it's not we who are blocking this change, it's the other guys
13:15:39 <Mayflower> :p
13:16:26 <Even> Nop.
13:16:51 <Even> It's that there is no clear movement on going forward to 64bits support and 32bit support is embbed in Windows 64 anyway.
13:16:53 <flo> Mayflower: my answer is "it would cost a lot of time, effort and even money to support it, for no identified benefit."
13:17:02 <Even> And some Windows 64 tools still depends on 32bits pieces.
13:17:09 <Even> So it won't be removed anytime soon.
13:17:34 <Even> Tanks, it summarize well ;)
13:17:35 <flo> we may have to worry about Windows 8's metro interface before Win64 ;)
13:17:49 <Even> lol, I agree with that
13:17:58 <Even> Stupid metro interface :(
13:18:25 <flo> or in short term, I may have to worry about renewing the ib.org ssl cert :(
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13:18:54 <Even> This is an usual issue ^^
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13:19:06 <Even> The new thing is to apply it on two servers :)
13:20:00 <Even> About 64bits versions, I remember we talked about doing this at least on Mac.
13:20:19 <flo> Even: 3 servers
13:20:24 <Even> Is there any timeframe for this ? I believe we are missing on the hardware count there aren't we ?
13:20:33 <Even> flo: ow, yes
13:20:44 <flo> Even: we need to buy a new mac build machine for that, yes :(
13:20:52 <Even> flo: if you still intend to support the url mapping we have on yours
13:21:05 <flo> Even: we have blog.ib.org on mine
13:21:12 <flo> or does that not use ssl at all?
13:21:15 <Even> flo: does this even need SSL ?
13:21:21 <flo> I don't know
13:21:23 <flo> :)
13:21:28 <Even> flo: I don't believe it is needed
13:21:53 <Even> flo: If I'm right, we used it to map old update url for old versions of Instantbird to the new styled urls
13:22:14 <flo> that cert has expired a long time ago
13:22:29 <Even> flo: then there is no need to put any cert on your serv now
13:22:33 <Even> flo: that makes 2 :)
13:22:48 <flo> the reason we had it was to show the "over capacity" page for AIO at the time of the 1.0 release
13:23:18 <flo> hmm, apparently the current cert expires in 2 months
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13:29:42 <aleth> clokep_work: I don't think what I did differs from the tooltip case. Maybe if you closed the conversation before whois returned from the server, is that what you were thinking of?
13:33:40 <Mayflower> is xmpp authorization broken btw? it seemed like i didn't get authorization request of any kind when i was supposed to.
13:38:36 <Mayflower> and i haven't seen any way to open irc server "chat", which may be a problem if i connect to a server without any channels on auto-join and close the server window (which hopefully opened) without disconnecting. <_<
13:39:46 <Mayflower> not seeing anything related in bugzilla and my searching is not giving any good results
13:41:04 <flo> I don't see how that would be a problem
13:41:41 <Mayflower> connecting to irc server and not being able to join channels there after connecting isn't a problem?
13:41:57 <flo> File -> Join Chat
13:42:10 <Mayflower> oh
13:43:06 <Mayflower> hmm. guess that's it.. other related problem to that was my hope that the missing /whois would be shown there, but iirc it wasn't, so it doesn't matter then >_>
13:43:42 <flo> Mayflower: hover someone in the participant list for the whois
13:43:52 <flo> it will appear in a tooltip
13:44:52 <Mayflower> i can't hover over people who aren't on the channel i am in. e.g. if someone opens a query with me without being on same channel as i
13:45:30 <Mayflower> and /whowas probably doesn't work any better
13:46:56 <Mayflower> also, hunting for the channel they're in is not particularly fun either even if they are in one i'm in myself
13:47:11 <flo> aleth is working on a patch for that
13:49:45 <Mayflower> i guess this was my other problem, but with both accounts being xmpp https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805
13:49:50 <instantbot> Bug 805 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Missing authorization request when being added (for Yahoo Messenger account)
13:50:09 <clokep_work> aleth: What I was thinking is if we never receive any response from the server (or if we got a nosuchnick error)
13:53:43 <Mayflower> i guess js-irc will solve the /whois problem indirectly..
13:55:09 * clokep_work is confused by that...
13:55:49 <Mayflower> I have no idea. I guess it depends where the problem actually is.
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14:02:36 <aleth> clokep_work: If you get a nosuchnick error there is no problem, because you also get an ENDOFWHOIS (according to RFC). If the server never responds, well...
14:05:13 <clokep_work> OK. :)
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14:05:21 <clokep_work> I hope you're enjoying reading those RFCs btw. :)
14:05:46 <clokep_work> If the server never responds you're pretty much screwed, yeah.
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14:25:07 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1338 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
14:25:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1338 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Connect button is disabled after an account spends more than half a second in the disconnecting stat
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15:21:15 <aleth> Would it be a good idea if we did a WHOWAS automatically whenever WHOIS fails?
15:25:11 <aleth> Hmm, maybe not, so it is discoverable when someone is offline.
15:27:36 <clokep_work> aleth: I thought the same thing originally (only have one command which is /whois...if it fails, run /whowas.)
15:27:52 <clokep_work> I think it'd be nice to, but I think it needs a bit more thought then what's in that bug. :)
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15:31:06 <Even> clokep_work: that sounds great, but following this idea, it would be important to notice the user that it switched from one command to the other too
15:31:15 <Even> no need to write "whowas was called"
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15:31:20 <Even> that wouldn't even help a lot of people
15:31:36 <clokep_work> Even: I'm confused...is it important or is it not? I feel like you said both things there.
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15:31:49 <clokep_work> (And no, I wouldn't tell them...you'd just say "so-and-so WAS..." instead of "IS"
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15:32:12 <Even> but maybe something like "<user> is not connected anymore, last time <user> was seen, its whois was : <whois>"
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15:32:53 <Even> sry, I was still finishing my thought
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15:32:59 <Even> but you answered before the end :)
15:33:23 <Even> the but [...] is going right after the "no need to write" stuff :)
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15:53:09 <DGMurdockIII> hi
15:54:35 <clokep_work> Even: Yes, I agree 100%. :)
15:56:11 <Even> ^^
15:57:11 <clokep_work> Someone should file a bug...before Mic comes in and steals it.
15:58:15 <flo> bah https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735688 sucks :(
15:58:28 <flo> I just reproduced it twice in a row and can't reproduce it any more :(
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16:04:17 <clokep_work> :-/ Yes that bug seemed really confusing when I read it.
16:04:28 <clokep_work> And I thought I used to get a lot of bugspam. :P
16:05:15 <flo> you used to get a lot of bugspam?
16:05:27 <flo> I would expect you to be getting more now ;)
16:06:55 <clokep_work> Exactly...I thought I /used/ to...but now I *really* do.
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16:08:42 <flo> if things are now like you thought they were, maybe it's an improvement? :)
16:11:10 <clokep_work> Haha. Yes, it's fine. :) Needed to shut off getting mail for ccs though in the IM component.
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16:21:28 <clokep_work> flo: For https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735998 I'm thinking we should handle that in jsProtoHelper?
16:21:51 <flo> why?
16:22:16 <clokep_work> Is it not something other protocols could run into?
16:22:31 <flo> I don't know where that comes from
16:22:37 <clokep_work> (Isn't it escaped in there for display in the conversation.)
16:22:41 <clokep_work> Ah, OK.
16:22:45 <clokep_work> Maybe I misunderstood the issue.
16:22:45 <flo> apparently we set the topic at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/twitter/twitter.js#204
16:22:56 <clokep_work> There's a few places we set it, yeah.
16:23:04 <flo> is that data we receive from twitter HTML escaped or not?
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16:23:20 <clokep_work> I think it has HTML entities in it.
16:23:38 <clokep_work> I'll hopefully check it out soon.
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17:05:31 <DGMurdockIII> do any of you get on second life
17:07:29 <clokep_work> I do not, I can't speak for others.
17:07:42 <clokep_work> Don't they have some chat protocol though? :P
17:07:43 <Mook_as> I think I'd need to get a first life before that
17:07:55 <flo> sounds like a good plan
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17:08:30 <DGMurdockIII> clokep_work: yes
17:09:34 <DGMurdockIII> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin-sl/
17:10:41 * clokep_work wants a zero-th life first.
17:10:53 <clokep_work> We do start counting at 0 around here, right? :P
17:11:11 <flo> oh come on :-P
17:13:48 <DGMurdockIII> i want a a way to chat with my friends on seconds life 
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17:14:27 <DGMurdockIII> with out having to be loged in to full feature client
17:14:37 <DGMurdockIII> there sourcer code is open source
17:14:53 <DGMurdockIII> therwe are some third party client that are text only
17:15:07 <Mook_as> DGMurdockIII: luckily, so is instantbird's source code. have fun!
17:16:03 <DGMurdockIII> i now that whi im looking to see if someone has made sothing to make this alot ease so it alot easer to implement
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17:17:26 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.slitechat.org/llchatlib
17:22:00 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Nice. :)
17:22:17 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: It's not too difficult to add a protocol, you could either try compiling that libpurple one you found or make one from scratch.
17:22:27 <clokep_work> If the protocol is sane (say...JSON based :-D) it would be really easy.
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18:32:52 <myk> if i "/query nick" i now get a new nick tab, but i can't enter anything into it
18:33:06 <myk> and if i subsequently "/query nick message" i get another tab into which i'm able to type
18:37:26 <clokep_work> myk: Well you only asked for it to be brought up! Not that you wanted to type in it too. :P
18:37:41 <clokep_work> (I'm pretty sure I checked that when I tested the patch...but I'l try it again tonight. :))
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18:40:45 <myk> clokep_work: the error message i get when i try is:
18:40:45 <myk> Error: IRC parameters cannot have spaces: clokep_work 
18:40:45 <myk> Source File: jar:file:///Applications/Instantbird.app/Contents/MacOS/omni.jar!/components/irc.js
18:40:45 <myk> Line: 737
18:40:46 <myk> Source Code:
18:40:46 <myk> irc
18:40:57 <myk> and then:
18:40:58 <myk> Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "'[JavaScript Error: "aStr is null" {file: "jar:file:///Applications/Instantbird.app/Contents/MacOS/omni.jar!/components/irc.js" line: 575}]' when calling method: [prplIConversation::sendMsg]"  nsresult: "0x80570021 (NS_ERROR_XPC_JAVASCRIPT_ERROR_WITH_DETAILS)"  location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///Applications/Instantbird.app/Contents/MacOS/omni.jar!/components/imConversations.js :: <TOP_L
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18:50:43 <clokep_work> Hmmm....the exact message you typed in was "/query clokep_work"?
18:55:52 <myk> clokep_work: "/query clokep_work "
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18:55:58 <myk> clokep_work: note the extra space at the end
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18:56:07 <myk> clokep_work: it's because i used nick completion to complete the nick
18:56:08 <clokep_work> Yeah, I think we're not handling that right now. That's the issue.
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18:57:11 <aleth> Oh dear, I think I tested that, but it was with the trim() version of the patch :(
18:57:33 <aleth> And so it worked of course.
18:59:08 <clokep_work> It should be fairly easy to fix (a check of in sep == .length)
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18:59:37 <aleth> Or just a trim() in the "no message" casse.
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19:03:06 <clokep_work> Yes, just make sure it's going into that case first. :)
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19:42:50 <DGMurdockIII> clokep_work:  http://forums.unrealircd.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4390
19:44:00 <DGMurdockIII> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459#section-4.5
19:45:32 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: ....?
19:45:36 <clokep_work> What is this in reference to?
19:46:00 <DGMurdockIII> query 
19:46:10 <clokep_work> What...?
19:46:38 <Mook_as> he's just being himself ;)
19:46:53 <clokep_work> That RFC is out of date, 2812 is the updated one.
19:46:58 <clokep_work> I'm not sure what the other link is.
19:47:10 <clokep_work> We were discussing using the /query command in Instantbird, which has nothing to do with the spec.
19:47:23 <clokep_work> There's not query command in IRC IIRC.
19:47:38 <clokep_work> (If there was /query would certainly be a bad name for a command. :-D)
19:48:21 <DGMurdockIII> yeah the /query in instantbird in irc dose all it dose it open a new blank chat window with the person
19:49:33 <clokep_work> Yes, it's an alias for /msg.
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20:00:22 <flo> Mook_as: ;)
20:01:01 <flo> ah, that's almost 15 minutes later. It seemed to be happening almost now in the log :-/
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20:18:05 <flo> oh, DGMurdockIII wasn't using his usual crappy irc client :)
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20:46:32 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1255 on bug 1328.
20:46:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1328 min, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, /msg <nick> should open an empty conversation tab
20:47:03 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 1328.
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21:04:58 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 1252 on bug 1332.
21:05:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Implement /whois and /whowas commands
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21:45:06 <clokep> aleth: How do you make your patches? I can never apply them.
21:45:22 <aleth> clokep: umm, git diff?
21:45:50 <clokep> aleth: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=1255 doesn't have the top level directory so it fails to apply.
21:46:09 <Mook_as> -p1 ?
21:46:31 <clokep> Mook_as: ???
21:46:48 <Mook_as> oh, I'm crazy
21:47:25 <Mook_as> it's just that the git repo was in https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/default/instantbird for some reason, huh
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21:48:25 <clokep> There's probably a way to force it to a directory, but I don't know how to...
21:49:17 <Mook_as> just use `patch` ;)
21:49:27 <Mook_as> (i.e. not from hg / git)
21:49:54 <clokep> Mook_as: I can never get unified diffs to apply with patch, what's the syntax to use?
21:50:03 <Mook_as> patch -p1 -i $filename ?
21:50:27 <Mook_as> might want to use --dry-run first to check, I guess
21:50:32 <clokep> It's asking me for the file to patch.
21:50:51 <Mook_as> then you didn't start out in the right directory :p
21:51:04 <Mook_as> (I'd ^C at that point)
21:51:19 <aleth> clokep: git apply?
21:51:28 <clokep> Ah wait.
21:51:33 <aleth> But if as use hg, I don't know.
21:51:34 <clokep> No...the directory is toally wrong.
21:51:36 <aleth> oops?
21:51:40 <clokep> modules/ircCommands.jsm doesn't exist at all.
21:51:47 <aleth> But if you use hg...
21:51:47 <clokep> It's chat/protocols/irc/ircCommands.js
21:51:57 <aleth> Ah, I know what it is
21:52:02 <clokep> OK...
21:52:05 <clokep> I'll just edit the patch, it's fine.
21:52:10 <Mook_as> hehe
21:52:46 <aleth> It's because I don't have a build environment, therefore the paths correspond to not to those in the hg repo, but to those in the final build
21:52:48 <clokep> It applied aleth :P
21:52:56 <clokep> Yeah, I just got really confused. :)
21:52:58 * clokep is tired today.
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21:57:11 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1255 on bug 1328.
21:57:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1328 min, --, 1.2, aletheia2, REOP, /msg <nick> should open an empty conversation tab
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23:11:18 <aleth> clokep: Any reason you can't r+ the patch in bug 1293? It might not be a complete fix, but it improves things and it adds the whowas equivalent which was missing from the original patch
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23:11:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1293 enh, --, 1.2, clokep, REOP, Tooltip improvements for IRC
23:11:53 <aleth> Otherwise I have to put the latter into the whois patch, where it doesn't really belong
23:12:30 <clokep> aleth: Right...uhhh....let me look at it again.
23:12:35 <clokep> I'm making green beans one second.
23:13:07 <aleth> Don't let me interrupt your dinner ;)
23:13:41 <clokep> Eh, I live by myself...not a big deal...just don't want them to get too soft.
23:17:56 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1248 on bug 1293.
23:17:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1293 enh, --, 1.2, clokep, REOP, Tooltip improvements for IRC
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23:18:14 <aleth> Thanks!
23:18:18 <clokep> No problem. :)
23:18:22 <clokep> Sorry I've been terrible at reviews.
23:18:53 <aleth> Well this one wasn't a completely satisfactory fix, more like a followup...
23:19:00 <clokep> Yup.
23:20:53 <aleth> But it looks like flo has gone already, so it won't be in tomorrows nightly anyway.
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23:24:59 <clokep> Right.
23:25:17 <clokep> I'm going to try your patch with the context messages now...
23:25:42 <aleth> That one is a lot of work to test... so many permutations
23:27:17 <clokep> I know. :-/
23:29:04 <clokep> Plus I need to get context some how...
23:29:19 <aleth> That's easy... log onto #ubuntu ;)
23:29:29 <clokep> I was going to log into #test.
23:33:58 <clokep> I think the ONLY thing I miss from git when using hg is "git clean"...
23:40:23 <clokep> Bah...themes are really different when packed. :(
23:40:49 <aleth> hg purge? But I've never used hg so I can't say...
23:40:58 <clokep> Yeah it kind of does it.
23:41:05 <clokep> But you have to enable it I think...
23:41:13 <clokep> But "git clean -xdf" is awfully useful. ;)
23:41:18 <clokep> I use it constantly at work haha
23:41:19 <aleth> Yes :)
23:44:48 * clokep is confused that only half that patch got applied...
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