#instantbird log on 03 14 2012

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04:02:57 <instant-buildbot> build #426 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/426
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04:11:35 <skeledrew> flo: how do i enable verbose logging?
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06:05:40 <instant-buildbot> build #512 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/512
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06:52:46 <instant-buildbot> build #416 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/416
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10:24:53 <clokep> skeledrew: purple.debug.loglevel (the values are at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/modules/imXPCOMUtils.jsm#57 )
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10:46:38 <flo> hello :)
10:47:10 <clokep> Good morning flo!
10:48:59 <clokep> Interesting....(from devel@...pidgin...) "markdoliner 02:52 Anybody want to test 2.10.2 tarballs? https://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin/files/Pidgin/2.10.2/"
10:50:38 <flo> my scrollback only starts with "I still don't understand the fascination with combining IM and e-mail, though", what the discussion there about Thunderbird?
10:51:12 <clokep> Uhhh le tme check my logs.
10:51:35 <flo> ah, my logs from the previous days has it
10:51:55 <clokep> You have it all? :)
10:53:52 <clokep> for anyone curious (since I hade made the pastebin already....) http://pastebin.instantbird.com/19209
10:54:05 <flo> clokep: yes, I have it all
10:54:42 <flo> "that's a bit less scary than suddenly having libpurple thrust upon a whole new class of users" :-D
10:55:07 <clokep> Hah, well at least in that case they'd have real testers and infrastructure all of a sudden. ;)
10:55:27 <flo> but it wouldn't be possible to hide the crashiness ;)
10:56:12 <clokep> flo: Can I convince you to review a bug today or are you still full up of Tb stuff? :)
10:56:27 <clokep> bug 1291 if you have time please!
10:56:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1291 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Source displayed in "entered the room" system messages for JS-IRC is too verbose
10:56:43 <flo> if it requires digging deep into libpurple, no :)
10:56:51 <flo> ah, this one sounds possible
10:57:14 <flo> I really want to investigate that twitter brokenness today
10:57:17 <clokep> It just affects a lot of little bits of my IRC code...
10:57:19 <clokep> Ah OK.
10:57:22 <clokep> Understood. :)
10:57:56 <clokep> I thought that was just the http.jsm being overwritten?
10:57:59 <flo> yeah, but if it's broken you'll be responsible for fixing it later anyway, so I'm not too scared of you breaking JS-IRC :-P
10:58:15 <flo> clokep: the original reporter said it's now possible to login, but only after a Thunderbird restart (!)
10:58:18 <flo> I need to investigate
10:58:31 <flo> (he's not the first one to report that strange behavior)
10:58:57 <clokep> flo: Did that restart involve an update in between? ;)
10:59:04 <flo> i don't think so
10:59:24 <flo> as the other reporter for the same issue was bwinton with his local debug build
11:00:58 <clokep> Right.
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11:17:14 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 1234 on bug 1291.
11:17:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1291 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Source displayed in "entered the room" system messages for JS-IRC is too verbose
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11:44:15 <clokep_work> Thanks flo. :)
11:49:46 <flo> clokep_work: thanks for fixing it! :)
11:52:00 <clokep_work> No problem. Sorry it wasn't in for the string freeze in TB. :(
11:52:58 <flo> clokep_work: I don't see any string change in there
11:56:46 <clokep_work> Uhhh....there is one. :(
11:56:48 <clokep_work> It's not in the patch...
11:57:14 <clokep_work> Line 205 of ircBase: |let src = aMessage.source ? _("message.source", aMessage.source) : "";|
11:57:54 <flo> so I should have r-'ed? ;)
11:58:26 <flo> I can't reproduce that twitter issue
12:02:02 <clokep_work> Yes. :(
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12:04:55 <Yoric> Mmmhh...
12:05:01 <Yoric> I can't launch today's nightly :/
12:12:24 <clokep_work> Yoric: Is there an error? :)
12:12:37 <Yoric> Nope.
12:12:44 <Yoric> Just the update never terminates.
12:14:20 <Yoric> I'm on Mac, btw.
12:19:01 <clokep_work> Did you kill the updater and relaunch?
12:19:25 <Yoric> I did from the UI.
12:19:30 <Yoric> I haven't tried from the cli.
12:19:35 <Yoric> (UI being the Mac task manager)
12:20:31 <Yoric> kill -9 won't do a thing :/
12:24:51 * clokep_work doesn't know anything about Macs. :( Sorry.
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12:44:47 <flo> Yoric: usually for me when kill -9 doesn't work on Mac, it's because the OS has a CrashReporter process attached to the process I'm trying to kill
12:46:13 <Yoric> Can't find any process that looks like a crash reporter.
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13:54:19 <clokep_work> Hmm...idea: track is someone pings you and show that in the participant list (a ! icon), and handle if they unping you / if you pong them.
13:54:53 <flo> "if they unping you"?
13:55:01 <flo> how do you know that?
13:58:20 <clokep_work> If they say "unping clokep"
13:58:25 * clokep_work has seen it done. ;)
14:01:21 <flo> clokep_work: I saw more often "never mind"
14:01:37 <clokep_work> Yeah that would work too. :(
14:01:37 <flo> or some abbreviated form of it
14:01:45 <clokep_work> nvr md? :P
14:01:53 <clokep_work> Maybe I'll make an extension out of it...
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15:50:40 <flo> someone is requesting on #frenchmoz that we make the channel names clickable in the whois tooltip
15:50:52 <flo> the idea sounds like a valid request (even though it's a bit difficult to do :-/
15:53:33 <clokep_work> flo: We have a bug somewhere about tooltips being interactive.
15:53:43 <flo> right
15:53:50 <flo> but I don't think it mentions this specific case
15:54:04 <clokep_work> Probably not.
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16:02:44 <Mic|web> hehe, "Channel names are clickable now .. with one issue: the tooltip disappears as soon as you move your mouse"? :P
16:04:30 <flo> Mic|web: we just need someone to spend time to make the tooltip not disappear if you are moving the mouse in the direction of the tooltip, and while you are hovering the tooltip
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16:50:16 <clokep_work> We also want those tooltips redesigned so...lots of work to do there. :P
16:52:26 * clokep_work dislikes how Thunderbird people seem to want to make terminology specific to protocols.
16:52:30 <clokep_work> We try really hard not to do that in our code. :(
16:58:16 <clokep_work> (Well mostly fl o has tried really hard to do that...but I agree with it. :))
17:08:20 <Mic|web> clokep_work: I haven't followed this closely .. does this affect us (i.e. they want the label in .. Account Wizard changed and so on)?
17:09:09 <clokep_work> Mic|web: No UI would affect Instantbird.
17:09:19 <clokep_work> I meant that they want "Add contact" ot be called something different for IRC...
17:10:26 <Mic|web> i.e. special-casing IRC / label it depending on the protocol in general?
17:12:02 <clokep_work> Yeah stuff like that.
17:12:04 <clokep_work> That's just an example.
17:12:18 <clokep_work> And when I say "they want to" I meant it was just suggested by someone in #maildev, not that it'll happen. :)
17:13:57 <Mic|web> Ah, clickable channel names (in Mibbit, here) are really nice :)
17:14:05 <Mic|web> I guess I know why I noticed that today :D
17:19:08 <clokep_work> Yes they do. :)
17:19:15 <clokep_work> We have a bug about adding them into chat windows I think?
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17:19:29 <clokep_work> That would be fairly easy in the IRC code...but we'd sitll need to be able to handle them. :-/
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17:27:57 <Mic|web> Ah, do you mean inserting them as irc:// links +  having an appropriate handler?
17:32:29 <clokep_work> That's what would probably make the most sense to me...
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17:34:24 <Mic|web> "Yes, but ..." (let me look up the "but";)
17:36:48 <clokep_work> ....but then you have to have an irc link handler. :P
17:37:27 <Mic|web> The but is that we only allow http(s)/ftp and mailto as schemes. I think it's wise to have a whitelist there (since we can't know if the protocol plugin or remote user crafted the link at the moment).
17:41:34 * Mic|web thinks bug 131 is invalid. The idea is absolutely horrifying ;)
17:41:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, no Emoticons in Buddy List
17:43:53 <clokep_work> Ah, yeah. But thtat's easy enough to fix I think. :)
17:45:13 <Mic|web> I think having emoticons shown as images in status messages (in the tooltip) would be OK.
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17:51:18 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1335 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
17:51:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1335 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show smilies as images in status messages in the tooltip
17:54:01 <clokep_work> Makes sense
17:56:11 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com set the Resolution field on bug 131 to INVALID.
17:56:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, no Emoticons in Buddy List
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17:59:54 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1336 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
17:59:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1336 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tooltips: make channel names in 'whois'-tooltip clickable
18:00:27 <Mic|web> Yes, that's how I get my bug count: by filing other people's bugs ;)
18:01:57 <clokep_work> :)
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18:03:10 <clokep_work> FYI: Pidgin (thus libpurple...) 2.10.2 was released: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ChangeLog
18:04:12 <clokep_work> Mic|web: Want to file that one too? :P
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18:22:41 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1337 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
18:22:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1337 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Update libpurple up to 2.10.2
18:24:20 <clokep_work> Mic|web: Lame bug for 1337.
18:24:56 <Mic|web> ;)
18:38:07 <Mic|web> bye
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20:37:38 <flo> "16:58:16 <clokep_work> (Well mostly fl o has tried really hard to do that...but I agree with it. :))" I think that's a concept we inherited from libpurple
20:38:00 <flo> another way to say it is "one of the libpurple things that I agreed with from the beginning"
20:39:05 <flo> and unless it's bwinton who says it and seems to really want it (= I can't make him think otherwise), it's not gonna happen :)
20:40:15 <clokep_work> I think it was protz. So you're good.
20:41:43 <flo> I saw sid0 saying that before I left
20:41:48 <flo> was it discussed again while I was offline?
20:42:08 <clokep_work> Ah, no.
20:42:15 <clokep_work> That was it. :)
20:42:34 <clokep_work> (What else would you call someone you talk to on IRC though? :P It's not like AIM where the often used term is "buddy"...)
20:42:45 <flo> I agreed with him that the Add Contact dialog sucks ;)
20:43:05 <flo> well, we also (ab)use it for twitter...
20:45:03 <clokep_work> I like to think of it was creative reuse of UI. :)
20:45:14 <clokep_work> Like the join chat dialog for Twitter.
20:48:56 <flo> however creative it was, it's not easy to discover ;)
20:49:04 <clokep_work> I know. :-/
20:49:10 <clokep_work> Twitter still needs quite a bit of work I have to say.
20:49:15 <clokep_work> I hope to get back to it sometime soon!
20:51:05 <flo> I wonder if Omegle is in working conditions
20:54:05 <flo> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=sw%3A1.2&list_id=745 doesn't seem to be getting shorter :-S
20:54:49 <clokep_work> A bunch are regressions from IRC. :-/
20:55:56 <flo> which mozilla release removed the XPCOM proxies?
20:56:10 <flo> that update will be painful (will need to rewrite purpleSocket.cpp)
20:56:24 <clokep_work> Moz12 I think.
20:56:26 <clokep_work> Maybe 11.
20:56:29 <clokep_work> It wasn't 10.
20:56:36 <clokep_work> (Which I think we could update to, btw...)
20:56:43 <flo> I know it wasn't 10 :)
20:57:30 <clokep_work> I think it was 12.
20:57:43 <flo> moz12
20:57:50 <flo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675221
20:58:07 <flo> uh, my bug list shows above "	remove the SSL thread (nsSSLThread) "
20:58:12 <flo> seems like interesting reading
20:59:20 <clokep_work> That affect us somehow..?
20:59:25 <clokep_work> Or just for the purpleSocket stuff?
21:05:12 <flo> I don't know, I didn't understand much of that bug
21:05:27 <flo> but if it could help fix bug 1089, that would be lovely ;)
21:05:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1089 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Crash [@ ssl_nss_handshake_cb]
21:10:53 <clokep_work> Ah-ha! :)
21:10:59 <clokep_work> Fixing crashers is good. :-D
21:11:07 <clokep_work> You thinking about updating Instantbird's Mozilla soon?
21:11:14 <clokep_work> Or just idly wondering about proxies. ;)
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21:19:17 <flo> just wondering how painful the week-ends where I can't take my AMI as a good excuse for being offline will be
21:28:39 <clokep_work> Ah, sounds like fun.
21:36:45 <flo> the difficult part (if we pretend that xpcom proxy change doesn't exist) is always the PPC build...
21:37:53 <clokep_work> Ah, right. I always forget about that. :-/
21:39:20 <clokep_work> Bah should have left a longnnngggg time ago....
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21:53:15 <flo> well, there's no reason for you to remember that, it's a stupid requirement that we keep imposing on ourselves just because we haven't bought a newer mac to put as a build slave
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22:11:36 <flo> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/instant-messaging-comes-to-thunderbird-13-speed-dial-to-firefox-13/ :)
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23:43:16 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 1303.
23:43:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1303 nor, --, 1.2, clokep, REOP, IRC contacts don't get their status updated
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