#instantbird log on 02 17 2012

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00:11:38 <clokep> flo: Yes the author that continued after he was no longer a mozilla contractor.
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00:22:22 <clokep> aleth: Snapping sounds like an addon, yes.
00:22:34 <clokep> And Mic: That's fancy. :P
01:08:07 <clokep> I have to agree w/ the comment on bug 134, but Idk what a better solution is. :-/
01:08:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Forums on site
01:08:11 <clokep> Unless we moderate the mailing list.
01:08:32 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1276 filed by dodobird@mailinator.com.
01:08:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1276 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Skype like contact + conversation window option
01:09:38 <aleth> It's true, but with the current volume of questions the best option is probably #instantbird. Forums get spammed too...
01:10:05 <clokep> Unfortunately IRC is hard for a lot of people.
01:11:06 <clokep> Mook_as: Sounds like someone wants your extension ^ ^ (bug 1276)
01:11:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1276 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Skype like contact + conversation window option
01:11:40 <Mook_as> yep!
01:11:58 <aleth> clokep: There was the idea of a "visit #instantbird# menu entry in Help...
01:12:04 <clokep> Right.
01:12:08 <Mook_as> and having it (and working IRC), and persistent channels in the buddy list or something, etc. would get me to replace chatzilla :p
01:12:10 <clokep> But hopefully it would connect, etc. etc.
01:12:20 <clokep> :)
01:12:26 <clokep> I'm working on IRC garbage right now.
01:12:28 <aleth> true.
01:12:35 <clokep> Mook_as: Does ChatZilla just have a box for encodings btw?
01:12:40 <clokep> (Like the same as Pidgin.)
01:12:55 <aleth> It's a shame nobody replied to coment 3 in bug 700 at the time
01:12:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=700 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Buddy list font size
01:13:03 <aleth> Will do so now
01:14:54 <Mook_as> clokep: I don't understand the question - but it has http://i.minus.com/ibagudniXKRYjo.PNG
01:15:17 <clokep> Mook_as: That answered it, thank you. :)
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01:26:41 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 417 to WONTFIX.
01:26:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=417 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Conversation content and "large fonts" on Windows
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01:30:34 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 923 to INVALID.
01:30:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=923 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, The fonts are not reset to default size.
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01:36:29 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1102 to INVALID.
01:36:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1102 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Configure when a conversation is placed on hold or closed
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01:40:56 <aleth> What to do with bug 1173?
01:41:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1173 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Input method doesn't work in the typing area
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01:44:19 <clokep> aleth: Leave it I think.
01:48:58 <clokep> I think I have the encodings kind of figured out in IRC. Going to put up a new patch...
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01:53:32 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review? for attachment 1166 on bug 507.
01:53:33 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1176 on bug 507.
01:53:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Implement IRC in JavaScript
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01:56:31 <clokep> :)
02:46:34 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1277 filed by dodobird@mailinator.com.
02:46:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1277 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Possible method of making webcam compatibility?
02:49:46 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1277 to DUPLICATE of bug 568.
02:49:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1277 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Possible method of making webcam compatibility?
02:49:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Audio/Video Support
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03:41:08 <instant-buildbot> build #398 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/398
03:44:24 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1278 filed by dodobird@mailinator.com.
03:44:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1278 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Improved design and interface
03:45:09 <clokep> Who wants to mark that as INVALID? :P
03:45:48 <Mook> I guess I can try?
03:46:09 <clokep> Haha. Only if you want to be nice about it.
03:46:16 * clokep isn't in a nice mood. ;)
03:48:48 <instantbot> mook.moz+bugs.instantbird@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1278 to INVALID.
03:48:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1278 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Improved design and interface
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03:59:26 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1279 filed by dodobird@mailinator.com.
03:59:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1279 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Multiple conversation history file type options
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04:12:55 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1280 filed by dodobird@mailinator.com.
04:12:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1280 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Account tabs
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05:19:55 <instant-buildbot> build #484 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/484
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06:52:39 <instant-buildbot> build #390 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/390
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10:11:49 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1280 to WONTFIX.
10:11:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1280 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Account tabs
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10:42:59 <Mic> Hello!
10:49:27 <flo> hey :)
10:49:41 <flo> massive amount of unread bugmail today :-S
10:52:59 <aleth> On the plus side, the unconfirmed bug list is half as long as it was...
10:56:57 <flo> I would resolve bug 1173 as incomplete
10:57:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1173 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Input method doesn't work in the typing area
10:57:27 <flo> the summary is "blahblah doesn't work on Linux 64 with a 32 bit build, and building a 64 bit version failed with an error message I'm not willing to provide"
10:59:16 <flo> Mic: http://i.imgur.com/f9GbQ.png looks very nice :). I'm wondering why there are 5px of margin above the contact icon but 3px on all other sides. Is it a detail you are going to fix, or is it on purpose (to give a larger target for hovering the collapsed menu?)?
10:59:43 <Mic> flo: I'm also annoyed by this ;)
11:00:40 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1173 to INCOMPLETE.
11:00:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1173 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO INCOMPLETE, Input method doesn't work in the typing area
11:00:43 <aleth> OK then ;)
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11:28:32 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1279 to INVALID.
11:28:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1279 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Multiple conversation history file type options
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11:30:21 <flo> is bug 1275 a dup?
11:30:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Preference display issues
11:34:17 <clokep> flo: I thought it wasn't but couldn't find the other bug.
11:35:50 <flo> I'm sure someone has already mentioned it
11:35:56 <flo> but not sure if a bug was filed
11:36:26 <flo> if only I had an idea of what's causing it... :(
11:37:51 <clokep> Solar flares is my guess.
11:38:13 <flo> or of why it disappears when I put DOM inspector at it...
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11:50:26 <clokep> That's really annoying. :-/ You've seen the issue then?
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12:05:18 <Mic> Does anyone know how the double return at the end of the requireJSM method in the second code snippet is supposed to work: http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2012/02/16/using-jsm-modules-in-the-sdk/ ?
12:05:27 <flo> clokep: yeah, I've seen it almost every time I opened the pref window on Mac for about 2 years. (well, I may be exaggerating a little bit, but it's really very annoying)
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12:07:37 <flo> Mic: Add-on SDK code is expected to work? :-O
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12:41:31 <clokep_work> Mic: I'd think that's a typo, but who knows.
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12:47:14 <Mic> clokep: that's what I'd also say if not a few others had seen this code before on the bug and in the blog post and nobody asked a question about that.
12:49:45 <clokep_work> Then I have no idea. :)
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13:21:52 <flo> Mic1: lots of people seeing it doesn't guarantee anybody has actually tested it ;)
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13:30:34 <clokep_work> Could also be people just going "Oh, that's an obvious error".
13:31:37 <clokep_work> Mic: Did you ask in #jetpack?
13:32:08 <Mic> no, I asked BenB in #maildev and haven't received an answer (yet).
13:33:18 <clokep_work> Ah, OK.
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13:44:16 <clokep_work> Report back when you hear? ;)
13:44:54 <Mic> Sure.
13:51:08 <aleth> The new OSX version of ichat apparently syncs logs, including between the mobile and desktop app 
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13:56:36 <flo> aleth: and sends SMSes
13:59:01 <aleth> flo: for free?
13:59:20 <flo> through your iPhone I would guess
13:59:43 <aleth> Oh, I thought you meant it was in the desktop client too now
14:00:05 <clokep_work> It is on the desktop client too.
14:00:10 <clokep_work> I think only to iOS devices though.
14:01:44 <aleth> Was just wondering if there should be a JS-SMS ;) AIM and ICQ used to provide free SMS I think
14:02:05 <flo> aleth: weren't they only providing that for north America?
14:03:03 <flo> lots of people tend to have unlimited SMS plans on their smartphone these days. I would like an android app to store the archives of my SMSes in Instantbird's logs, and let instantbird receive SMSes / reply to them
14:03:03 <clokep_work> Yes.
14:03:04 <aleth> flo: I never tried it, but I thought ICQ was not just +1 numbers
14:03:08 <clokep_work> I think it still works though.
14:03:46 <flo> SMSes have been stupidly expensive in France until the last few years
14:04:03 <aleth> s/France/EU
14:04:28 <aleth> unless you paid for a plan...
14:04:59 <flo> I'm saying France because I don't know about the other countries. That wasn't meant to be exclusive :).
14:06:58 <clokep_work> They're expensive in the US without a plan too. ~0.15 per incoming and per outgoing message.
14:07:30 <aleth> Worst is/was when you cross a border and send SMS. Still relatively expensive.
14:07:41 <flo> clokep_work: wait. *incoming*?
14:08:02 <clokep_work> Yes.
14:08:08 <aleth> Ouch.
14:08:11 <flo> so you pay for the ads you receive???
14:08:24 <clokep_work> Ads?
14:08:35 <flo> ads, spam, whatever crap you receive through SMS
14:09:06 <clokep_work> I maybe get 1 spam thing a month...
14:09:12 <clokep_work> Probably more like 1 every 2 - 3 months.
14:09:14 <flo> that's too much if you pay for it
14:09:23 <clokep_work> But, yes. You'd pay for it.
14:09:41 <flo> do you also pay for incoming calls?
14:10:00 <clokep_work> I mean I don't pay for my messages, I have unlimited.
14:10:28 <flo> is that the reason why calling phones (both cell phones and landing lines) in north America from France has been free for years, even though calling French cell phones was very expensive?
14:11:00 <clokep_work> I don't think I pay for incoming calls, I forget whether they go into my bank of minutes or not though.
14:12:31 <flo> I wonder what would be a good place to put the new authorization request code
14:13:23 <flo> imContacts? imAccounts? imCore?
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14:15:23 <clokep_work> I think the account should request the authorization.
14:15:33 <clokep_work> Or maybe the contact, but how can a contact you don't have request authorization? ;)
14:15:52 <flo> is something requesting to become an item in your list of contacts
14:15:58 <flo> so it's a "future" contact :)
14:16:07 <flo> but the request comes from an account
14:17:24 <flo> hmm, I guess another option is to not put anything for that in the core
14:17:42 <flo> just an xpcom interface implemented by an object used for a notification
14:18:24 <clokep_work> Like the Twitter webpage request interface?
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14:18:50 <flo> I don't remember where it's defined
14:19:19 <flo> prplIRequestBrowser
14:19:38 <flo> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/public/prplIRequest.idl#45 may be the perfect place actually :)
14:19:46 <clokep_work> Yeah, I think so!
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14:22:55 <flo> should we automatically add the buddy to our buddy list?
14:23:11 <flo> the problem with that is that we don't know the group :-/
14:23:25 <flo> and it's annoying to put up a second prompt for the group
14:24:31 <clokep_work> How is the prompt even occurring?
14:24:42 <clokep_work> Add a checkbox "Add to my buddy list", when it's ticked you have the group selector?
14:25:01 <clokep_work> Which defaults to "Let the server tell me" or something?
14:25:07 <clokep_work> (Sounds crappy UX to me. :-D)
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14:25:41 <flo> always add to the default group and let the user move it later?
14:26:04 <aleth> Having to move it manually and remember to do so sounds more annoying than being prompted
14:26:11 <flo> I wonder if google talk won't add the buddy automatically anyway
14:27:09 <aleth> OTOH maybe most users only ever have the default group?
14:27:35 * flo will file a follow up bug so that someone else can deal with that mess
14:28:04 <aleth> For now just adding it to the default group seems like a decent option, then it can always be improved later
14:28:44 <flo> I think I won't add it at all
14:28:53 <flo> I don't know if protocols do it automatically or not
14:29:03 <flo> it's pretty clear that some don't
14:29:08 <flo> (AIM, ...)
14:34:47 <flo> blist.xul still has a notification box :)
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14:35:57 <flo> do you remember seeing it used? :)
14:37:08 <Mic> Was that the one with the "I'm back"-button?
14:37:17 <flo> yes! :)
14:37:42 <flo> it disappeared in Instantbird 0.2
14:40:33 <flo> name ideas for the notifications to dispatch when there's a new request?
14:40:59 <flo> buddy-authorization-request is the best I have now, and it doesn't seem very descriptive for someone who doesn't know yet what it's about
15:20:12 <Mic> What message would you like it to carry?
15:21:16 <flo> not sure
15:21:33 <Mic> add-buddy-request-from-remote ?
15:21:59 <Mic> To tell that it is about adding a buddy (not carrying the message that it is _you_) and that someone else requested it?
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15:31:57 <flo> this is the WIP I have: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/13104
15:32:06 <flo> I still need to do the JS-XMPP part, and the fix the l10n stuff :)
15:32:17 <flo> (and remove the obsolete code)
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16:30:42 <clokep_work> flo: Looked over it briefly, I don't see any issues so far. ;)
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20:20:59 <Mic> hmm, why isn't it possible to use let/yield/.. from the error console?
20:22:40 <Mook_as> because it isn't version=1.7
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20:54:34 <clokep_work> I just run all my code in Komodo Edit.
20:54:38 <clokep_work> I have a sweet macro to run JS code Mic.
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21:20:44 <Mic> clokep_work: if I start using Komodo Edit, I'll ask again, thanks :)
21:21:59 <Mook_as> I think I'm supposed to say something here, being biased and all ;)
21:22:45 <clokep_work> Mook_as: You're probably supposed to say something about how Komodo IDE includes that functionality and I don't need to write Macros to do it or something. ;)
21:24:08 <Mic> clokep_work: mystery solved: the first of the two returns was a typo.
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21:25:41 <clokep_work> :) Good to know Mic.
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