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placed better. 14:17:53 <flo> bug 219 also sounds like a not very useful meta bug 14:17:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [meta] Enhance the conversation window 14:18:48 <clokep> I agree. 14:19:58 <flo> I'm not sure we have an open bug for the "Send button" idea described there though 14:20:06 <aleth> Quick, close it before someone implements a "send" button 14:20:25 * clokep dislikes having a "send" button. :-/ 14:21:17 <flo> the difficult part with the send button idea is showing it only when it could be valuable (= people using only the mouse, for example after a copy/paste; or people who haven't discovered the <enter> key binding yet) 14:21:26 <aleth> The Venn diagram of "users who need a send button" and "users who are able to discover IB" should be pretty empty 14:22:06 <aleth> Has anyone ever asked for one? 14:22:12 <clokep> Show it only when there is text in the input box and the mouse is over the input box? 14:23:17 <flo> I suspect it would still annoy me :-/ 14:23:25 <flo> I frequently have the mouse over the input box 14:23:59 <flo> do we have a bug for the "get rid of the conversation window status bar" yet? :) 14:24:00 <aleth> Wouldn't something like showing "Press Enter to send message" e.g. in the status bar IF there is text entered AND a certain time has elapsed (user is puzzled) be better? 14:24:09 <clokep> flo: Isn't it used by Twitter? 14:24:20 <aleth> flo: Now that I like :) 14:24:48 <aleth> I wonder if the FF floating statusbar has a straightforward interface... it could replace it 14:25:47 <flo> I think we will do like Firefox for the hovered links 14:26:41 <flo> for twitter replies, the idea I want to try is to make the (default) message themes fade out all messages but the one we are replying to 14:27:02 <flo> and for the character count, it would be nice to put it in a corner of the input box 14:27:12 <clokep> So have like an "interacting with type styling. 14:27:57 <flo> the "typing" is a little bit challenging, but a bubble at the bottom of the conversation containing "... is typing" could be nice 14:28:07 <flo> it would be replaced with the real message when it arrives 14:28:29 <clokep> What if they stop typing and don't send a message 14:28:49 <flo> we just hide it (and it horribly jumps) 14:28:57 <clokep> Alright. 14:28:58 <aleth> It should be less than an actual bubble... could be just text 14:29:02 * clokep was referring to the horrible jump. 14:29:06 <aleth> Otherwise you'll constantly read it and be disappointing 14:29:15 <flo> if we are clever enough, we can animate that to shrink... 14:30:01 <flo> aleth: I thought it could be themed like a system message bubble, but with small circles instead of the queue that normal message bubbles have 14:30:13 <flo> like in comics when a character is thinking 14:30:37 <aleth> Hehe, nice idea :) 14:32:26 --> Nicolas has joined #instantbird 14:32:36 <flo> all of these ideas were discussed this week with Blake in the context of Thunderbird's UI, but I think they can benefit Instantbird too if they work nicely :) 14:33:13 <aleth> What will TB use for its message styles? 14:33:31 <flo> a Tb-specific default message theme 14:34:05 <clokep> Blake doesn't like Bubbles, right? :P 14:34:53 <aleth> But will it be the same engine? 14:35:13 <flo> andreas will be in charge of creating the Tb theme 14:35:32 <flo> aleth: same engine? Thunderbird is Mozilla-based, yes :-P 14:36:03 <aleth> I meant the whole adium-style stuff ;) 14:36:37 <flo> yeah 14:36:52 <aleth> I suspect TB will have great search from the start 14:36:57 <flo> that won't make much sense for Tb as the theme selector UI won't be exposed but... don't tell them ;) 14:37:07 <aleth> ok ;) 14:37:51 <flo> "great search"? :-S 14:38:15 <aleth> Well, they have timeline displays etc for emails afaik? 14:38:31 <flo> do you find that user friendly? 14:38:32 <Nicolas> hello =) 14:38:39 <clokep> Hello Nicolas. 14:38:58 <flo> clokep: both Blake and Jb find Bubbles too colorful for Thunderbird 14:38:58 <aleth> flo: It could be nicer, but at least it's global in scope. 14:39:02 <Nicolas> i have decompress my file omni.jar and now when i launch instantbird i have this error "Registering XPCOM component purplexpcom failed." 14:39:24 <clokep> Nicolas: Did you merge the manifest files? 14:39:55 <clokep> You need to merge chrome.manifest from omni.jar and chrome.manifest that isn't in omni.jar. 14:40:03 <flo> clokep: which file needs to be edited exactly? I couldn't remember to explain Nicolas what he needed to do 14:40:14 <clokep> flo ^ chrome.manifest 14:40:20 <aleth> Nicolas: chrome.manifest 14:40:25 <flo> clokep: isn't there just one line to uncomment so that one includes the other? 14:40:41 <aleth> No, you have to manually concatenate them 14:40:51 <flo> just an inclusion of binary.manifest and interfaces.manifest, or something like that? 14:40:52 <clokep> No. 14:41:00 <flo> I don't remember doing that :-S 14:41:05 <clokep> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/12556 is the merged one. 14:41:16 <clokep> Nicolas: ^ is what your chrome.manifest should look like. 14:42:07 * clokep wonders why you're unpacking omni.jar... 14:42:34 <Nicolas> my chrome.manifest -->manifest components/interfaces.manifest 14:42:35 <Nicolas> manifest components/components.manifest 14:42:37 <Nicolas> manifest chrome/nonlocalized.manifest 14:42:38 <Nicolas> manifest chrome/localized.manifest 14:42:50 <flo> clokep: Nicolas is "our" student from the Evry university. 14:43:02 <clokep> Ah. :) Nice to meet you. 14:43:06 --> Yvan_ has joined #instantbird 14:43:12 <aleth> Nicolas: That's because on unpacking omni.jar you overwrote the existing file. 14:43:26 <clokep> (Which has just the first line, the binary.manifest.) 14:43:32 <clokep> So you should be able to just add that back. 14:44:58 <flo> clokep: so after unpacking you just need to uncomment 2 lines at the top of components/components.manifest, right? 14:45:32 <clokep> flo: Maybe. I've never done that. I just merge the two chrome.manifest files. 14:45:47 <clokep> I haven't really done it in a while though as I just build now. 14:45:53 * flo thinks we should document that on the wiki 14:46:17 <flo> yeah, it's exactly the reason why I couldn't explain it clearly: I usually just build :) 14:46:24 <aleth> flo: As far as I recall, there is nothing that is commented out there 14:46:40 <flo> the last time I've done this unpacking thing was to test a fix on Windows I think 14:46:56 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1264 filed by clokep@gmail.com. 14:46:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1264 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add a "Send" button. 14:47:16 <flo> aleth: that file looks like this in omni.jar!/components/ of my nightly: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/12558 14:47:37 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 219 to INVALID. 14:47:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, [meta] Enhance the conversation window 14:50:55 <clokep> Unfortunately that doesn't actually close a bug. ;) Just replaces one. 14:51:18 <aleth> flo: I think if you uncomment those you will get duplication warnings. But I'm not sure. 14:51:21 <Nicolas> i have uncomment 2 line at the top of componentsmanifest and it's good thanks =) 14:51:37 <flo> cool :) 14:51:41 <aleth> Oh well ;) 14:51:43 <flo> Nicolas: sorry for the confusing answers :) 14:52:01 <aleth> Sorry... 14:52:18 * clokep isn't sorry. :P 14:52:20 <Nicolas> no probleme =) 14:52:21 <aleth> clokep:You can always close the send button one wontfix ;) 14:53:50 <aleth> Maybe rename it "Find a way to help novice users to send messages"? 14:54:21 <-- Yvan_ has left #instantbird () 14:54:22 <clokep> I'd prefer something like "Add a discoverable way to send messages" 14:54:28 <clokep> But feel free to rename it if you'd like. :P 14:54:56 <-- Nicolas has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243]) 14:55:37 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 1168 on bug 1261. 14:55:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1261 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, "Paper Sheets": use media queries for conditional CSS instead of JS 14:56:02 <flo> I'm not sure if I should r- or just fix before committing the changes in such a case. 14:56:24 <clokep> flo: Also note that Mic doesn't have a build env. :-/ 14:57:02 <flo> clokep: but used hg export for the patch, which produced a nice file that already includes an author and a commit message 14:57:13 <clokep> Ah, OK. :) 14:57:19 <flo> very nice, but having to edit the changes before committing defeats the benefit of that 14:57:59 <flo> (as I would need to apply it with hg import --no-commit) 14:58:52 <clokep> Right. 14:59:34 <flo> hmm, I guess I would still need to do it to add r= in the commit message :-S 15:10:59 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 1167 on bug 1259. 15:11:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1259 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Replace JS animation code in messagestyle themes by CSS 15:11:13 * flo doesn't seem to be in the mood of editing patches himself ;) 15:11:56 <flo> but I guess it's better to r- almost r+ patches with clear instructions of what needs to be changed rather than letting them collect dust until I have time to test and edit them 15:13:03 <clokep> Any sort of review is good. :) 15:13:18 <flo> aleth: how does JS-IRC relates to the error in bug 1214 comment 2? 15:13:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1214 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, this.target is undefined (IRC DMs) 15:14:07 <aleth> Merely that I assume JS-IRC will replace the libpurple IRC DM code soon? 15:14:19 <aleth> Which may or may not fix that bug. 15:14:39 <flo> this sounds like "opening an IM conversation from someone not in your buddy list causes an error" 15:14:50 <flo> it doesn't seem like IRC-specific to me 15:15:00 <aleth> Right. 15:15:45 <aleth> I didn't realize that. 15:16:28 <aleth> I assumed libpurple was not setting some expected attribute 15:16:58 <clokep> I couldn't reproduce that bug with /msg nickserv help 15:18:12 <flo> could be related to an add-on 15:18:15 <aleth> I can't reproduce it that way either. 15:18:31 <flo> NickServ killer seemed like a good candidate to me 15:18:43 <aleth> It could be that some additional step is missing. 15:18:48 <flo> yeah 15:19:06 <aleth> I've seen the error in non-NickServ DMs 15:21:17 <aleth> What they have in common, as I said in the bug, is that they are initiated by someone else 15:21:32 <clokep> I wonder if it's http://hg.instantbird.org/addons/file/23a6c11f2b6c/nickservkiller/bootstrap.js#l57 ? 15:21:56 <clokep> If a subject doesn't have target for some reason from somewhere? 15:23:04 <flo> the only good reason I remember for not having a target is "the conversation is already closed" 16:05:13 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 16:20:36 --> go8765 has joined #instantbird 16:47:30 <-- go8765 has quit (Ping timeout) 16:50:36 --> go8765 has joined #instantbird 16:52:45 <-- go8765 has quit (Ping timeout) 16:55:04 --> go8765 has joined #instantbird 17:06:56 <-- go8765 has quit (Ping timeout) 17:10:07 --> go8765 has joined #instantbird 17:17:03 <-- go8765 has quit (Ping timeout) 17:20:59 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 17:23:38 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 17:23:39 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 17:25:23 --> go8765 has joined #instantbird 17:29:23 <-- go8765 has quit (Ping timeout) 17:47:42 --> go8765 has joined #instantbird 17:47:47 <go8765> hm... in irc contaks i see 5 different small icons between nicksg(without icon, wit white star, with yellow star, ets...). what they means? 17:48:23 <clokep> go8765: gold start is channel op, silver star is half op. 17:48:27 <clokep> No icon is no status. 17:48:40 <clokep> There's a house for founder, and a sound wave icon thingy for voice. 17:49:16 <go8765> clokep: ok. thanks for answers) 17:49:30 <clokep> You're welcome! :) 17:49:52 <go8765> ...but what mean bright yellow and not so bright yellow& 17:50:01 <go8765> *? 17:50:13 <go8765> *ÑеÑÐºÑ Ñ ÑÑÑÑ 17:50:27 <go8765> *yellow stars i mean 17:50:45 <clokep> Is the "not so bright yellow" next to someone w/ a greyed out name? 17:52:20 <go8765> hm... its mean away i think... 17:52:50 <clokep> It means they haven't participated yet in the coversation. 17:52:52 <go8765> becouse only your and my nicks now - colored ;) 17:53:13 <clokep> Once people talk their names are colored, yes. 17:53:29 <go8765> okay. thanks) 17:55:18 * go8765 now know how universe made :) 17:57:59 <go8765> is anyway to sshow lag in instandbird? 17:58:21 <clokep> Uhhh...I don't think so right now. 17:58:30 <clokep> You mean lag to the server, right? 18:00:44 <aleth> go8765: or did you mean Show logs? 18:03:32 <go8765> lag of the server ) 18:09:34 <-- go8765 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:14:56 --> go8765 has joined #instantbird 18:17:17 <-- go8765 has quit (Ping timeout) 19:02:52 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 19:05:38 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Miranda IM! 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Was replied JUST to me. 21:26:36 <clokep> The way we have our mailing lists set up is non-ideal. :-/ 21:29:10 <flo> yeah, all configuration options have a problem :( 21:30:33 <aleth> The spam makes them appear a bit defunct... why doesn't Google filter it? 21:31:00 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 21:31:35 <aleth> I thought they were good at that kind of thing... 21:31:50 <clokep> Do no evil. ;) 21:37:36 <flo> the spam filter is annoying on the mailing list :( 21:37:51 <flo> messages that are detected as spam there tend to go to /dev/null 21:37:59 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 21:38:22 <flo> as I receive a spam report every few days saying that I need to moderate them; but gmail puts that report in the spam folder of my gmail account... 21:47:18 <aleth> People can always come here instead :) 21:47:54 <aleth> After all, they have an IRC client installed ;) 22:02:39 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 22:04:55 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 22:14:52 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 22:46:46 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 22:48:26 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 22:50:25 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 22:50:31 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 22:52:13 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 22:52:35 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 23:02:10 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 1.1.19/2010030105]) 23:03:19 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:03:19 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 23:20:13 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:30:26 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 23:32:09 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 23:41:00 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 23:43:05 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 23:44:21 --> Mautematico has joined #instantbird 23:45:25 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 23:49:19 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 23:50:13 <-- Mautematico has quit (Connection reset by peer)