#instantbird log on 02 11 2012

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00:03:09 <aleth> Do you get that many?
00:03:47 <clv> Aleth: OK, so I'll make IB my only Twitter client as soon as DM is implemented....
00:05:54 <aleth> clv: If you file a bug/enhancement request on the IB bugzilla, you will get an email when it is implemented.
00:06:44 <clv> Aleth: OK thanks, will do it later..
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03:45:15 <instant-buildbot> build #392 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/392
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05:17:43 <instant-buildbot> build #478 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/478
05:18:58 <clokep> DMs aren't implemented for Twitter, right.
05:19:04 <clokep> And we should get all tweets up to the limit. :)
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06:52:10 <instant-buildbot> build #384 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/384
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13:03:59 <go8765> Hello. Can i find isq contacks with instandbird? or i need to know isq number - to add contakt /
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13:29:51 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 574 to INVALID.
13:29:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Enhance UI with IRC features
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13:57:31 <Mic> aleth: I think there are a few other tracking bugs that might not have a clear goal if you'd like to clean them up
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14:01:51 <Mic> In a way I found them convenient as tool to group somehow related bugs (to not have to collect them again and again) but if flo likes his bugs with defined goals, so be it ;)
14:04:13 <Mic> flo: will 1.2 ship with Gecko 9 or are we going to see an update before, now that Fx10 is out?
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14:12:15 <aleth> Mic: I agree sometimes they can be convenient (like that add-on handling one), but that one was just confusing
14:13:32 <aleth> Hmm
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14:14:00 <Mic> Indeed it was, I wish Bugzilla had a nice way to add a bug to one of your bug lists/saved searchs
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14:19:02 <aleth> NickServ doesn't like me very much...
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14:20:29 <aleth> That's better :)
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14:23:57 <Mic> aleth: what did you try? Using mode +h when you were already here?
14:24:31 <Mic> You can use "/msg chanserv halfop #instantbird aleth" instead, that works. Mode +h doesn't if you're not half-op yet.
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14:25:13 <aleth> Mic: No, it was just that NickServ wanted a password, not just access list (there is a setting for that)
14:26:15 <aleth> Sorted now.
14:30:30 <clokep> See why I wnat these thing sto be handled automaticaly? ;)
14:31:20 <aleth> clokep: Absolutely!
14:31:31 <aleth> If NickServs are standardized enough for that...
14:31:51 <clokep> There's a few different ones I think.
14:33:47 <clokep> Anope is a common one.
14:33:52 <clokep> Which I think both freenode and moznet use.
14:35:02 <Mic> clokep: if you merge another IRC contact with one of your own registered ones in the contact list, could it group them on the server automatically? ;)
14:35:19 <clokep> Mic: That would be neat.
14:35:41 <Mic> Most likely more trouble than worth, though :S
14:35:43 <Mic> bbl
14:35:49 <Mic> -trouble +work
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14:37:31 <clokep> Probably...also, we shouldn't encourage people adding themselves to their buddy list. ;)
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14:39:52 <aleth> clokep: Oh, something came up yesterday evening, how to get a list of those one follows on twitter. Maybe one could just add those as participants on connect? 
14:41:51 <clokep> aleth: There's abug for that.
14:42:07 <aleth> OK.
14:42:20 <clokep> bug 1039
14:42:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1039 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add followed people to the buddy list
14:43:24 <clokep> Interested in working on it? ;)
14:43:33 <aleth> Might there not be too many for the buddy list? I was thinking of the nicklist
14:43:47 <clokep> Ah, that might be a separate bug...
14:43:50 <clokep> Ah snow!
14:43:51 <aleth> Ah, bug 1038
14:43:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1038 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add followed people to the participants timeline
14:44:07 <clokep> Hahah. :) I'm guessing I created those at the same time?
14:44:26 <aleth> Looks like it ;)
14:44:41 <aleth> not that long ago actually...
14:44:57 <clokep> I don't think we were positive we wanted that or not.
14:45:15 <clokep> I think flo likes that idea, I'm not a huge fan since they're not really "in" the conversation...although they really are, since anything you blast out they can see.
14:45:42 <aleth> With twitter you are always broadcasting to everyone... I think it would be useful for autocomplete purposes
14:46:30 <aleth> But it's not really a huge issue. Will be more useful when participants get context menus
14:46:45 <aleth> Heh, that's all said in the bug already :P
14:48:16 * aleth should shut up and go add context menus or something
14:49:25 <clokep> I think you just volunteered. ;)
14:50:39 <aleth> Maybe... it won't be today :(
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19:23:43 <flo> there wasn't any snow in Toronto, but there's snow at home: http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/neige-2012-02-11.JPG :)
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19:26:54 <flo> clokep: the reason why I was interested in putting all the followees in the nicklist is to make completion work
19:27:10 <flo> bah, aleth just said the same thing a few lines later
19:30:24 <aleth> snow AND sunshine :)
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19:43:26 <flo> and a car that was happy to leave the garage for a few minutes ;)
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19:44:58 <flo> I drove it only in the yard; I needed more space in the garage to replace the rear bumper on my father's car
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19:50:10 <aleth> Maybe better since those look like proper winter tyres ;)
19:53:53 <aleth> Then again, not that much snow...
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20:54:13 * Mic doesn't like the (dis-)appearing forward button in Fx10. It's irritating how the url jumps left and right when cycling through tabs :(
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21:32:38 <flo> Mic: if you never click the "back" icon, it probably doesn't jump ;)
21:33:03 <Mic> I never click the back button. I use keyboard shortcuts instead :P
21:33:08 <flo> I wonder if it's common to have people using both the back icon and the tabs :)
21:33:25 <flo> Mic: then you can get rid of the back and forward buttons :)
21:34:35 <aleth> This is one UI improvements where I don't mind that it's missing on Linux :)
21:35:28 <aleth> Mic: There must be something you can add to userChrome...
21:36:22 <aleth> flo: The nice thing about the back button is its dropdown menu
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22:07:55 <Mic> Hiding the participant count and the splitter between conversation browser and participant list doesn't look too bad :)
22:09:14 <aleth> Mic: Are you testing my old add-on? ;)
22:09:29 <Mic> No, only a few lines in userChrome.css
22:10:46 <aleth> The splitter has functionality though...
22:10:58 <Mic> The participant list is neither resizable nor closible anymore, that's true
22:11:19 <Mic> *closable
22:11:29 <aleth> Combined with my add-on, you could still close it, but not resize it
22:12:06 <aleth> But I don't really think these are tweaks that help "most" people
22:12:23 <Mic> I can't remember if I ever close the list except for testing something..
22:13:29 <aleth> I used to, but I don't any more since the inactive=grey patch landed as it's now useful.
22:15:32 <Mic> Is there any particular reason why we're keeping the participant count?
22:15:38 <aleth> Well, it was before, but less so...
22:15:56 <Mic> It's not exactly valuable information.
22:16:51 <aleth> It's somewhat useful in channels with more people in it than fit on the screen
22:17:24 <aleth> But you have a point.
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22:30:48 * flo likes the participant count
22:31:14 <flo> (except on twitter where's it's mostly irrelevant, but that's because we abuse the MUC display for the twitter timeline...)
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22:33:04 <aleth> It'll actually be relevant on twitter once all the followers are in there ;)
22:33:23 <aleth> s/followers/followed
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22:35:45 <Mic> Was there any reason why we didn't set -moz-appearance: none on the participant list when I restyled the windows theme?
22:37:08 <Mic> brb
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22:38:56 <Mic> Testing a non-standard look for the participant list ...
22:40:51 <Mic> https://wiki.instantbird.org/images/7/78/IbParticipantList.png
22:46:24 <aleth> Can you make a splitter appear on hover?
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22:48:52 <Mic> I don't think it's possible to change a sibling element (as they are) when hovering another.
22:49:21 <Mic> hmm, maybe ... let me try
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22:54:41 <Mic> I don't think it would work to show it when hovering the list :(
22:57:02 <aleth> What if you add a splitter, but set its opacity to 0, with visibility on hover? (hackish ;) )
22:57:36 <aleth> No idea if that would even work
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23:01:32 <Mic> hehe, I found something different ;)
23:02:01 <Mic> Still there, but less obvious ..
23:02:15 <aleth> Or put list and splitter as children of an element that responds to hover?
23:04:10 <Mic> https://wiki.instantbird.org/images/5/52/IbParticipantList2.png
23:06:09 <aleth> To be honest, that might give the impression that it looks a bit broken :(
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23:27:06 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1263 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
23:27:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1263 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove participant count from MUCs
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