#instantbird log on 01 28 2012

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01:20:39 <instant-buildbot> build #182 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/182
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04:06:54 <instant-buildbot> build #379 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/379
05:36:34 <instant-buildbot> build #464 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/464
06:53:20 <instant-buildbot> build #370 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/370
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09:24:34 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 1250 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
09:24:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250 blo, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Crash when opening a conversation: Crash Report [@ notify_conv ]
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09:31:11 <Mic> flo, Even: tonight's Windows build crashes for me. Can someone confirm and disable updates if necessary?
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10:09:13 <flo> hmm, has Even disabled it already?
10:09:26 <Tomek> bug 869 seems fixed on latest nightly... while on 1.1 it still appeared. Using openSUSE 12.1
10:09:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=869 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Contacts window forgets screen position when closed
10:09:32 <flo> my Windows nightly in my Win7 VM is on 20120126 and says there's no update
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10:15:28 <flo> I'm surprised to find that Win7 looks almost useable :-S
10:15:58 <flo> Mic: I downloaded the latest windows nightly by hand in my Win7 VM and it doesn't crash (at least when opening a Gtalk conversation and some IRC channels)
10:19:51 <flo> the tooltips look way better on Win7 than on Mac OS X / Linux
10:21:35 <Even1> 11:15:28 - flo: I'm surprised to find that Win7 looks almost useable :-S ==> nooooo, don't say that, it's so unlike you that it's almost scarry :)
10:21:42 <flo> the conversation window's theming could benefit from significant improvements but isn't awful (except the participants list which is currently awful on Windows/Linux)
10:21:53 <flo> Even1: yeah, I'm scared :(
10:22:07 <flo> Even1: I said *almost* though ;)
10:22:08 <Even1> lol
10:22:16 <flo> the terminal is still terrible :(
10:22:24 <Even1> Yeah, it was the little thing that made it possible. but still !
10:22:45 <Even1> Yeah, the terminal is the same as always : a complete failure :P
10:23:04 <Even1> It never was updated though it is understandable.
10:23:35 <flo> If I had nothing better to do, I should spend a week on Windows 7 to make the Instantbird theme look really good there :)
10:23:48 <Even1> I can sense why they never did (compatibility reasons) but I never understood why they didn't at least add a new one alongside the old one.
10:23:52 <Even1> Then you could choose...
10:24:08 <flo> Even1: I think they have a new differently crappy one
10:24:24 <Even1> And well, they can obviously change the default one and just add a parameter to set it back to the old one for companies that still have very old fashioned applciations needing the old term :P
10:24:51 <Even1> flo: yeah, they do have something called PowerShell if I'm right.
10:24:57 <Even1> It's somehow beter and not better :)
10:25:00 <Even1> :P
10:25:21 <Even1> I've never really understood who would like a term with an object oriented syntax embbed in it...
10:26:32 <Even1> (that's obviously not quite what you would call minimalistic, which makes commands a lot longer than they should be)
10:27:11 <Even1> (but I believe that someday I'll have to look into it because I don't see much good ways of scripting under Windows other than PS, because batch is really a mess)
10:27:48 <Even1> Oh, and I want to report something else : I hereby confirm another time if needed : git is really something you don't want to use !
10:27:52 <Even1> So SLOW !
10:28:17 * flo has opened IE to see how their tabs look, and is very scared to see the "stop" button can't stop the load of http://<crap>.msn.com/<crap> :(
10:28:54 <Even1> I'm trying to update phpmyadmin on your CB account and... the repository is 100MB or so. It took 5 minutes to dl all the files in it. During the last 10 minutes it's "resolving deltas"...
10:29:03 <flo> Even1: can you reproduce Mic's crash, by the way?
10:29:09 <Even1> Yeah.
10:29:18 <Even1> I posted something on the bug about that I believe.
10:29:27 <Even1> This bug is confirmed. Does not happen with a GTalk window. Looks purple related.
10:29:29 <flo> ah, I should read my bugmail before asking questions :-D
10:29:38 <flo> so what are the steps to reproduce?
10:29:38 <Even1> Means, I got the bug, but not using a GTalk contact :)
10:30:06 <Even1> Connect any account with purple as a backend (!= GTalk), open a window with this contact, a boom !
10:30:10 <Even1> *and boom !
10:30:51 <flo> doesn't crash for me
10:30:56 <flo> I tried IRC and AIM
10:31:04 <Even1> Ow, Windows only :)
10:31:16 <Even1> and you need the version from today
10:31:16 <flo> I tried on my Win7 VM
10:31:26 <Even1> You might not be able to update since I deactivated the update :)à
10:31:29 <flo> (and it's the reason why I've been talking about Win7 ;))
10:31:36 <flo> read the scrollback ;)
10:31:42 <flo> I downloaded it by hand ;)
10:31:42 <Even1> Yeah I saw this.
10:31:54 <Even1> Well, it does crash.
10:31:57 <Even1> That's a fact :P
10:32:06 <flo> I know that, as we have received crash reports
10:32:13 <flo> but without steps to reproduce... :(
10:32:20 <Even1> I didn't do anything to get it to crash...
10:32:36 <Even1> I updated and it crashed right away because it opened an IRC channel right of the bat :)
10:33:20 <Even1> Crashed 100% of the time when opening a conversation window with a contact not on GTalk.
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10:41:23 <Mic> Even1: I think the next version of MMC (4.0 then) is supposed to be based on Powershell which would allow to script any administrative tasks
10:42:50 <Mic> No idea how far that evolved (or at all?), .. it's quite long that I read about that.
10:48:48 <Even1> Since the 1st version there was a subsequent release (2.0), or so I believe.
10:48:54 <Even1> But I've never really looked into this too.
10:49:08 <Even1> I lready know that some people told me it's quite OK once you got into this.
10:49:38 <Even1> But that it's not precisely what you would call easy at first :)
10:49:46 <Even1> *I only know
10:49:47 <Even1> sry
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10:51:33 <Mic> Yes, I've tried to do something with it and it didn't seem easy.
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11:14:39 <Mic> How do the tooltips look on Mac btw? I couldn't find a screenshot with one on it
11:15:59 <flo> Mic: the keyboard shortcut to make screenshots makes them disappear, so it's probably the reason why they are rarely on screenshots ;)
11:18:10 <instantbot> raynaudquentin@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1250 to DUPLICATE of bug 551.
11:18:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250 blo, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Crash when opening a conversation: Crash Report [@ notify_conv ]
11:18:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Partial updates are failing on a regular basis
11:45:28 <Mic> On Windows you can capture tooltips on screenshots using the print-key (only, not with modifiers)
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12:07:48 <flo> Mic: I could capture them by doing a delayed screenshot of the whole screen from the command line
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12:17:41 <Mic> Nevermind, don't waste time on this
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13:55:32 <aleth> Yeah, one day I should also take the time to try to really polish the Linux conv window and tooltip theming... Problem is it's somewhat painful to do (because of the number of themes and window managers it has to look good with, and things like ugly tabs are inherited from Mozilla anyway)
14:04:41 <flo> aleth: maybe you can polish Instantbird's tabs and then convince Mozilla people to port instantbird's awesome tab to the awesome Firefox? :)
14:04:48 <flo> (just kidding ;))
14:06:11 <aleth> flo: At least Thunderbird might get awesome tabs that way ;)
14:06:24 <flo> really?
14:06:28 <clokep> At least they've finally adopted a real tabbed interface.
14:06:34 <flo> I thought that worked only on Mac ;)
14:09:11 <aleth> I don't use TB so I'm not sure how far it goes, but I heard a while back Canonical had delegated someone to improve the TB theming for ubuntu. Not sure how much of that will feed back into mozilla in general... they might just implement it as an add-on or something like they do for FF currently.
14:09:48 <clokep> It's a bit of both aleth.
14:10:27 <clokep> Some of the changes are real code changes to make it fit into Ubuntu better (like being able to use the Ubuntu address book), other stuff is theme changes: some in the core, some in an extension.
14:10:30 <clokep> I believe. :)
14:10:31 <aleth> (Screenshot of TB in ubuntu 11.10 http://origin.static.arstechnica.com/u1110/tb1.png)
14:10:34 * clokep idles in #maildev. ;)
14:11:25 <flo> I tend to be in #maildev too these days ;)
14:11:48 <aleth> clokep: Right, will have to see how much makes it across to me on KDE ;)  Ubuntu always spends a fair bit of time on unity/global menu/messaging menu integration, which doesn't travel.
14:11:49 <clokep> Yes, well your doppelganger: florian. :P
14:12:07 <clokep> I thought everyone used Unity now! ;)
14:12:22 <flo> aleth: I thought you were referring to the tab polish I made on Thunderbird Mac. I took inspiration in Instantbird's css and fixed the Thunderbird tabs until they had the same appaerance ;)
14:12:49 <flo> clokep: some people actually use unity?
14:13:01 * clokep *someone* must.
14:13:11 <clokep> Add a "thinks" in there.
14:13:41 <aleth> flo: No... I'd never seen that! Must take a look at IB/OSX screenshots sometime
14:14:37 <flo> aleth: it was in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712938
14:15:19 <aleth> Very nice :)
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19:11:56 <clokep> Just crashed with http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/76cdb434-02ec-4d6c-83be-1a3b52120128 :(
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22:40:44 <clokep> instantbot: Hi.
22:40:45 <instantbot> salut clokep
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23:16:04 <aleth> Hadn't heard of this one before http://getbuzzbird.com/bb/screenshots/
23:16:09 <aleth> Also based on mozilla
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23:43:08 <flo> aleth: isn't it dead?
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23:49:11 <flo> if we believe it may still have a significant user base (if it has ever had one?), maybe we should reach out to the author, to see if he knows about Instantbird/likes us/could blog about us to recommend people who want a Mozilla-based twitter client to switch to Instantbird which is actively maintained.
23:54:58 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 1017.
23:55:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1017 cri, --, 1.2, florian, REOP, Shutdown crash [@ purple_blist_node_set_ui_data ]