#instantbird log on 01 22 2012

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03:10:00 <instant-buildbot> build #364 of macosx-nightly-default started, including []
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06:52:15 <instant-buildbot> build #364 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/364
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11:52:19 <flo> I'm thinking that a reason why our l10n stuff is broken is that it's currently too complicated. Here is a proposal for simplification:
11:52:38 <flo> - stop importing converted libpurple l10n files when creating l10n repositories for new locales
11:53:10 <flo> - convert the l10n files for all locales when running the upgrade-libpurple.sh script, and check them into the standard code repository 
11:54:29 <flo> this way, we will no longer have to care about any of this converted libpurple files mess (it becomes fully automated), and it doesn't really complicates things for localizers as we can provide them a stable URL for where to find the converted files for their locale)
11:54:34 <flo> thoughts?
11:55:56 <flo> another simplification for us (but complicating things slightly for localizers) would be to stop doing a single en-US repository merging the files from the code repository and the website repository, but to have one en-US repository for instantbird, and one for the website
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12:45:04 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1126 on bug 1234.
12:45:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Improve keyboard navigation
14:09:08 <aleth> Even - just a heads up, I noticed there are 6 add-ons pending review that seem to have been there for ages (unless they aren't the same ones of course)
14:24:02 <flo> aleth: there are only 5 (there's a bug in the website that makes a dummy one that we can't remove from the queue)
14:24:09 <flo> 3 have been in the queue for 44 days
14:24:19 <flo> one for 31 days, and one for 2 days
14:24:35 <flo> Mic can also review add-ons now ;)
14:32:24 <aleth> ah :) seems there have been some movements then
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14:59:04 <clokep> flo: Those changes sound fine.
14:59:31 <clokep> Splitting the website & instantbird doesn't seem like too much of a big deal for localizers.
14:59:42 <clokep> Not like the code is in a shared repository. :-D
15:09:26 <aleth> Just stumbled over bug 634 - it's landed, so should be marked resolved fixed?
15:09:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Richtext formatting for outgoing messages
15:12:02 <clokep> aleth: That's not landed.
15:12:29 <clokep> Only the "dead code removal is"
15:12:30 <aleth> OK - I just noticed the last comment was a commit
15:12:33 <clokep> Not the actual fix.
15:13:48 <clokep> Alright. :)
15:14:03 <aleth> I was surprised I couldn't activate the feature ;)
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19:00:13 <Mic> A random screenshot once again: contacts with icons on the list - http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/2686/ibcontacticons.png
19:01:11 <clokep> Mic: Did you use the two line contacts for each contact?
19:02:25 <Mic> No, I modified the normal contact binding (unselected case only)
19:02:39 <clokep> Ah, OK.
19:02:57 <clokep> Looks good for people that are into that.
19:03:03 <clokep> Looks like the SKype buddie list. :P
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19:04:00 <Mic> I made it look like the FB list before I changed the look to be more instantbirdish
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19:10:06 <aleth> I bet that would be a popular add-on :)
19:10:55 <aleth> (if that's what it is becoming)
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19:13:27 <Mic> aleth: no idea. Maybe .. I certainly don't have time to do much at the moment :(
19:13:34 <Mic> bye
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19:14:07 * flo hates the people who made the Samsung printer driver installer quit (with an unreadable "dialog" message box with only a "continue" button) all opened applications before actually installing the files...
19:14:44 <clokep> Who installs drivers? :P
19:15:01 <flo> I just lost all my terminal windows, instantbird conversations, emacs buffers, etc...
19:15:23 <clokep> Yeah, that's a really bad UX. :-/
19:15:27 <flo> clokep: people who receive for free a brand new printer but have a several years old OS on their computer?
19:15:55 <clokep> flo: Ah, that would do it. I don't install drivers and just deal w/ reduced functionality usually.
19:16:31 <flo> clokep: in that case "reduced functionality" was more or less equivalent to only seeing the printer's name in the printer list, without being able to print
19:16:44 <flo> (I guess I could have told the OS that it's a generic post script printer though)
19:17:07 <aleth> Pretty grim for any program to kill all others. That's not a 'service', that's terrible UI
19:17:31 <flo> aleth: it's just a reason to send a bomb to their offices ;)
19:17:59 <flo> I also don't understand why I needed to use a CD to install their drivers. It's a network printer, and I could connect to it through http...
19:18:04 <clokep> Unfortunately a lot of programs I find like the kill other programs...
19:18:08 <flo> why isn't the driver download offered from the printer's home page?
19:18:21 <flo> clokep: I'm not on Windows though ;)
19:18:44 <clokep> Right.
19:19:04 <clokep> Strange thaat it's not on the printer itself. My HP one does that.
19:19:24 <flo> clokep: and the installer hasn't killed anything on Windows 7 (the other brand new machine where we installed it) ; actually we didn't need any installer. Just giving the OS wizard the path to the .inf file of the driver worked
19:20:18 <flo> (but I guess I shouldn't have said that I now have access to a Win7 machine :-X)
19:20:19 <clokep> I guess most peripherals are designed with market share in mind.
19:20:39 <clokep> Ah-ha!
19:20:45 <aleth> Yeah, it might not even have a driver for Linux...
19:20:56 <flo> it's my mother's new work computer though, so I can't really use it ;)
19:21:15 <flo> aleth: the box says it's compatible with Windows 2000-7 and Mac OS X 10.3-6
19:21:27 <flo> no mention of linux, and neither of OS X 10.7 :-D
19:22:33 <flo> there are lots of useless/redundant stuff on the web UI.
19:22:42 <flo> but no "download driver" that I can find
19:23:16 <clokep> On Windows you can usually just install it by giving it the IP address and it'll download the driver from the printer and install it.
19:24:10 <flo> that didn't seem to work. It attempted to download some crap from Windows update and that failed too (I've never seen it succeed on any machine/device actually :-D)
19:24:40 <clokep> Oh? I've done it on a variety of machines from Win XP - Win 7 on both work and home.
19:24:47 <flo> what worked was locating the .inf file on the CD and telling it to use that. Exactly like what worked on Windows 98
19:24:47 <clokep> Weird.
19:26:11 <clokep> If you're talking to a contact and using not the "primary" contact...and they sign off...it always uses the "primary" contact's display name, is that correct?
19:26:45 <clokep> (So I have a merged contact Foo and FooBar, I'm talking to FooBar...they sign off...it says "Foo has signed off")
19:27:41 <flo> it's not terribly wrong
19:27:59 <flo> although I can understand why it would be surprising
19:28:00 <clokep> I know it's not "wrong", but is it what we expect it to do?
19:28:36 <flo> thinking more about it, there's a bug
19:29:11 <flo> it's because it changes the preferred target before displaying the signed-off system message
19:31:01 <clokep> Ah.
19:31:04 <clokep> I'll file a bug.
19:32:45 <flo> this is probably because we (want to) avoid showing the signed-off system message if the contact is still available on another network
19:34:15 <clokep> Right.
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23:44:43 <Mook> hah, clokep would be intereseted in this (eventually): sounds like ZNC is one of those bouncer that breaks IRC. (chatzilla bug 639416; channels with ~ prefix, so ~#foo; and people in the channel prefixed by ?, so ?nick (even though the user thinks he/her nick doesn't have the ?)
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