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00:13:34 <instantbot> email@example.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1125 on bug 309. 00:13:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Some system messages contain emoticons where they should not. 00:16:19 <clokep> aleth: ping 00:16:28 <aleth> hullo 00:16:53 <clokep> Do you have an example link that causes a smile for you? URLs are already special cased out in bug 207. 00:16:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207 min, --, 0.3a1, clokep, RESO FIXED, URLs should not contain Smileys 00:17:50 <flo> ahah, we had the same reaction 00:17:51 <aleth> Yes, but this only applies when a URL is linkified. 00:17:54 <flo> I asked in the bug though :) 00:18:07 <aleth> An example is anyone signing off with a http in their quit message 00:18:32 <clokep> Oh? 00:18:43 <flo> I think emoticons are desired in that place 00:18:44 <clokep> Do those get the noLinkification flag? 00:18:46 <flo> (quit messages) 00:18:52 <flo> clokep: probably 00:19:06 <aleth> Yes, and rightly so, I think 00:19:12 --> clokep_js has joined #instantbird 00:19:42 <-- clokep_js has left #instantbird (http://www.instantbird.org :)) 00:19:51 <aleth> see! ;) 00:19:57 <flo> system messages should make a distinction between what comes from Instantbird and what comes from the user at the other end 00:20:08 <-- ecaron has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 00:20:49 <clokep> Meaning that only the message from the user should be linkified/smilified? 00:20:49 <instant-buildbot> build #180 of macosx-onCommit started, including [41ba4fa613a16c065346cf56783f8bfe40e8a773] 00:20:59 <flo> clokep: yes 00:21:30 <flo> uh, powerbird wakes up and I'm still hacking (Thunderbird!), there's something wrong... :-/ 00:22:50 <clokep> :( 00:23:15 <flo> I'm trying to highlight the keywords in gloda's search results 00:23:36 <clokep> It doesn't do that automatically? 00:24:20 <flo> search something in Thunderbird, and look at what you get... 00:24:31 <flo> it just displays the first 5 lines of each message that matches the search 00:24:51 <flo> the 5 first lines of an IM conversations are almost always meaningless... 00:24:51 <clokep> As far as I can tell only Yahoo and XMPP use NO_LINKIFY: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/search?string=NO_LINKIFY 00:24:57 <flo> even worse for a tweeter timeline 00:25:13 <clokep> "Hey" "hai" "'sup" "nmu" "n2m" 00:25:15 <clokep> Five lines. :) 00:25:19 <flo> exactly 00:25:57 <flo> even though I don't know the exact meaning of nmu and n2m, I suspect it doesn't convey much meaning ;) 00:26:24 <clokep> "Not much, you?" "Not too much." 00:27:18 <clokep> Ah, I lied. The part/join/quit messages are no linkified too. 00:27:27 <clokep> That'd be fixed if I move that code into Instantbird. 00:29:37 <aleth> powerbird? 00:29:45 <clokep> It's the Mac buildbot machine. 00:29:56 <flo> Mook_as: do you happen to know if there's a way to guess how many bytes an unicode charater uses from the value charCodeAt returns? 00:31:03 <Mook_as> hmm. no, I don't. (it'd involve looking at the unicode spec, I think - there are a few ranges that should be followed by another, exactly like MBCS) 00:31:31 <Mook_as> at least, that's what I seem to recall, anyway... 00:31:44 <Mook_as> (never had to deal with non-BMP characters myself, mostly because I can't read them...) 00:31:59 <flo> :( 00:33:18 * clokep idly wonders where package-manifest.in is... 00:33:38 <flo> clokep: never where you would expect it 00:33:50 <flo> but usually it hides itself in instantbird/installer/ 00:34:00 <clokep> Bha yeah, find just found it for me. 00:34:38 * Mook_as wonders why clokep would ever use find, instead of http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/find?string=package-manifest.in 00:35:04 <clokep> I actually have that as a bookmarklet, so...yeah. :) 00:35:34 <aleth> all roads lead to rome? ;) 00:35:36 <flo> Mook_as: find is useful for things that aren't commited yet ;) 00:36:24 <Mook_as> true. I wonder what the hg equivalent of `git ls-files -- '**/package-manifest.in'` is. 00:36:59 <clokep> hg locate probably. 00:37:30 <clokep> Yup 00:37:35 <clokep> hg locate */package-manifest.in 00:37:48 <clokep> (There's also an hg grep if anyone is curious.) 00:42:43 <flo> unicode makes my head hurt :( 00:43:10 <flo> my patch almost works 00:43:26 <flo> except some unicode characters that some tweeter have fun using break it :( 00:43:31 <clokep> I dislike character sets in general. 00:44:01 <clokep> Some of my Twitter friend's characters don't always show up actually. 00:44:07 <clokep> But I checked and they don't work on the website either. 00:44:15 <clokep> So I assumed they're using some broken clien.t 00:44:29 <flo> or maybe just a different font? 00:44:49 <clokep> Ah, that's possible too I guess. 00:46:12 <flo> debugging thunderbird would be so much easier if there wasn't jquery in there causing dozens of warnings... 00:47:16 <aleth> Why do they need jquery? 00:47:49 <flo> probably a reason I wouldn't agree with 00:48:38 <flo> so it seems â¦ (code 8230) uses 3 bytes 00:59:44 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 01:00:04 <aleth> flo: re "system messages should make a distinction between what comes from Instantbird and what comes from the user at the other end" - I'm not sure I entirely agree. If a user wants to say something, he should use a normal message. 01:04:19 <flo> aleth: so you wouldn't allow emoticons in status messages? in kick messages? 01:07:51 <flo> wow, this time it (seems to) work(s) very well! 01:08:40 <flo> time to remove all the dumps, indent correctly, file a bug, attach a patch and then go to bed!! 01:10:49 <aleth> flo: Either that or at least not allow them in places where they wouldn't be allowed in normal messages (links etc). My point of view is that system messages should not distract me, visually or otherwise. 01:11:35 <flo> aleth: my point is that if the system message contains something the user has typed, it's a system message + a regular message combined in a single line 01:12:47 <aleth> flo: True, but a quit message isn't really something the user has "just" typed, addresed to me, it's just like a sig in an email. I don't want it jarring me. I can see a good argument for why kicks would be different 01:13:00 <aleth> Btw congrats on the working patch! Are we going to see a gloda-less variant of this in IB eventually too? 01:13:36 <flo> the part I'm hacking on is very specific to gloda's result view 01:13:56 <flo> but the knowledge I'm acquiring will be very useful when implementing a simpler version for Instantbird :) 01:15:11 * aleth thinks better search would be awesome 01:16:42 <aleth> But I suppose I could also follow suggestion #1 and remove :/ from the TB Aero smiley theme... Just doesn't really solve the problem. 01:17:08 <flo> I wouldn't allow such a smiley in the default theme 01:18:11 <aleth> Unfortunately what is in smiley themes is not really decided by us... (apart from the default that is) 01:18:50 <aleth> Btw I am not sure but I thought the TB Aero set was in fact the default for TB on Windows Aero... 01:19:55 <flo> probably not the case 01:20:21 <flo> "Unfortunately what is in smiley themes is not really decided by us..." except we review add-ons to get them out of the sandbox ;) 01:20:36 <instant-buildbot> build #180 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/180 01:20:41 <flo> if we decide that a list of some things shouldn't be there, then can become a reason for something to stay in the sandbox 01:21:33 <aleth> Indeed this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=515499 doesn't contain the mappings. 01:22:30 <aleth> (if that's where the add-on author got it from) 01:23:24 <-- Even has quit (Ping timeout) 01:25:16 --> Even has joined #instantbird 01:25:16 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 01:35:20 <flo> I skipped the "file a bug" step, as https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=518597 looks like what I wanted to file :) 01:41:17 <flo> Good evening/night! :) 01:41:29 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 01:41:40 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 01:45:11 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 01:46:15 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 22.214.171.124/20101203074205]) 02:27:30 <-- EionRobb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 02:32:34 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 03:10:01 <instant-buildbot> build #361 of macosx-nightly-default started, including  03:26:42 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 03:42:01 --> Mautematico has joined #instantbird 03:56:26 <-- Mautematico has quit (Ping timeout) 03:59:28 --> Mautematico has joined #instantbird 04:33:51 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 04:34:26 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 04:52:06 <-- Mautematico has quit (Connection reset by peer) 04:52:36 --> Mautematico has joined #instantbird 05:34:12 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 6.0/20110811165603]) 05:46:01 <-- Mautematico has quit (Ping timeout) 05:51:04 --> Mautematico has joined #instantbird 06:52:14 <instant-buildbot> build #361 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/361 07:05:02 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:36:02 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 07:48:17 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:57:30 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 08:08:31 <instant-buildbot> build #455 of win32-nightly-default started, including  08:08:40 <instant-buildbot> build #370 of linux-nightly-default started, including  08:22:24 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 08:26:00 <-- Mautematico has quit (Client exited) 08:41:53 <instant-buildbot> build #370 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/370 08:46:07 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 08:51:01 --> MadWookiee has joined #instantbird 09:17:32 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 09:20:24 --> jb has joined #instantbird 09:25:33 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 09:38:49 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 09:54:02 <instant-buildbot> build #455 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/455 10:29:06 --> flo has joined #instantbird 10:29:07 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 10:30:31 <flo> hello :) 10:52:49 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 11:10:37 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 11:10:37 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 11:15:34 <Segaja> clokep: ok 11:39:35 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 12:32:01 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 12:41:06 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:41:06 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 12:41:25 <Mic> Hi! 12:41:33 <Mic> Is there a way to set a quit-message for IRC btw? 12:41:56 <Mic> *a default quit-message 12:47:18 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 13:16:32 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 14:14:27 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org set the Resolution field on bug 1239 to INVALID. 14:14:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1239 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, When contact have diacritical mark as first letter, contact are not shown 14:15:36 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 14:17:20 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 14:18:34 <-- MadWookiee has quit (Ping timeout) 14:22:53 --> MadWookiee has joined #instantbird 14:33:40 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 14:33:40 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 14:35:35 <flo> clokep: hello :) 14:36:10 <clokep> Hello flo. 14:36:16 * clokep will be in and out today: serving jury duty. 14:37:36 * flo is looking at the password manager stuff 14:38:04 * clokep assumed they were going to make you do that before Thunderbird. ;) 14:38:41 <flo> bah, being paid to do it isn't a bad thing ;) 14:39:03 <clokep> :) People can stop complaining about plaintext passwords! Yay. 14:39:37 <flo> I'm confident people who love complaining will quickly secure another favorite complaint topic :) 14:40:18 <flo> a patch in bug 102699, cool! :) 14:40:29 <flo> too bad we also need the hiddenWindow hack for the sounds 14:41:23 <clokep> !!! I've been waiting for that bug to be fixed for years. 14:41:38 <flo> it's a bug blocking instantbird ;) 14:42:08 <Mitch> clokep: Plaintext passwords are great. Ask Sony. 14:42:13 <flo> and it seems bug 357725 is also getting fixed ;) 14:43:04 <clokep> I need to teach auto-link that if a bug is over like 50000 it's a Mozilla bug... 14:43:08 <-- MadWookiee has quit (Ping timeout) 14:43:18 <Mitch> IT'S OVER 9000!!! 14:44:17 <flo> Mitch: you have a pet bug in the 9*** range? 14:45:13 <flo> apparently the older bugs that I'm interested in (if I look at what I'm cc'd to) are 11824, 12460 and 14328 (DNS SRV!) 14:49:05 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 14:49:28 <clokep> Mine is apparently 118665, much newer. :P 14:50:23 <clokep> Oh I lied, I have a bunch of thunderbird one's I've voted for < 100k. 14:51:56 <flo> oh, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590996 is still not fixed (and we still have the patch in our own repository) 14:52:20 <flo> it may not be needed any more now that we have changed our windows buildbot slave configuration 14:57:47 <-- Tonnes has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]) 15:01:41 <flo> the password manager interfaces are a mess :( 15:02:34 <flo> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/netwerk/base/public/nsIAuthPrompt.idl#42 when reading only the documentation, I wouldn't have expected the behavior with the SAVE_PASSWORD_FOR_SESSION constant to be only throw Cr.NS_ERROR_NOT_IMPLEMENTED 15:04:29 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 15:07:27 <clokep> Gonna also kill bug 257 that mean? ;) 15:07:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't necessarily save passwords / add prompt for password 15:07:53 <flo> maybe 15:08:04 <flo> I'm not sure of what I exactly want to do 15:08:20 <clokep> That's actually a blocker for me using it at work I believe. 15:09:00 <flo> really? 15:09:20 <flo> wouldn't saving the passwords in the password manager and having a master password work better for a machine you don't own? 15:09:22 <clokep> Yeah, can't have my password saved. 15:09:42 <clokep> : shrugs: I don't make the policies. ;) 15:10:22 <flo> is anybody going to see the difference if you still need to enter a password to login? 15:10:42 <clokep> No. 15:11:16 <flo> so the policies may not matter then ;) 15:11:34 <clokep> I like my job though. ;) 15:22:10 <flo> do they have a policy on maximizing the efficiency of key loggers? :) 15:22:55 <clokep> They have a policy on not having key loggers. ;) 15:23:05 <flo> seriously? 15:23:21 <clokep> No, probably not. But that would count as "malware" of some sort I'm sure. 15:23:35 <flo> would IE also count then? :) 15:23:59 <clokep> Ah, well. Ironically that's the preferred browser. 15:35:26 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 15:51:58 <Mitch> Use IE6 for maximum malware compatibility. 15:52:58 --> Draighth has joined #instantbird 15:55:38 <flo> clokep: would the "auto-login" feature still make sense for accounts that don't have a password stored in the password manager? That would cause one modal dialog per auto-logged account :( 15:56:51 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 15:56:51 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 15:58:01 <clokep_work> flo: I was thiking that too, perhaps we could put a notification somewhere (on the contact list?) 15:58:09 <clokep_work> That the user can click and log into each account when they have time. 15:58:15 <clokep_work> (Thunderbird just pops up one after another btw.) 15:58:48 <flo> so Thunderbird already pops up one modal dialog per account? 15:59:07 <Mitch> Create a bizarre combination of notification queues with forms. 15:59:18 <flo> I suspect this poor UI is the reason why I've been reluctant to address bug 257 15:59:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't necessarily save passwords / add prompt for password 16:02:36 <clokep_work> flo: Yes, they do. 16:02:44 <clokep_work> I'd suggest some other form of notification. :P 16:03:05 <flo> I would suggest a master password 16:03:38 <flo> hmm, maybe popup the account manager with a password textbox before each connect button 16:07:37 <clokep_work> That works too. 16:07:44 <clokep_work> Master password is a separate UI issue I think. 16:08:31 <flo> clokep_work: are you allowed to store your passwords in the cloud, with something like Firefox Sync? :) 16:08:52 <flo> typing a sync password that would get all the accounts (including their passwords) at once would be nice 16:09:03 <Mitch> Put a master password textbox before the Connect All button. :P 16:12:21 --> MadWookiee has joined #instantbird 16:20:12 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 16:22:22 <clokep_work> flo: No. 16:22:38 <clokep_work> But really that's just a corporate issue. I don't think corporations are our main consumers. ;) 16:22:59 <clokep_work> I think putting the password box next to the connect button for accounts that don't have it saved is a good idea. 16:23:30 <clokep_work> For the master password...when you open the account manager, if there's a master password, just overlay the entire account manager with a deck that asks you for the master password and then "unlocks" the account manager. 16:23:41 <flo> clokep_work: why do they care how you store/remember/enter your passwords for things that aren't corporate accounts 16:23:42 <flo> ? 16:24:01 <-- Draighth has left #instantbird () 16:24:30 <clokep_work> Nooooo. I meant I can't store my password for the Microsoft Office Communicator account. :) 16:53:35 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 17:00:22 <flo> clokep_work: that's only one account 17:00:33 <flo> not going to cause a cascade of password prompts 17:30:43 <clokep_work> flo: Yes, I agree. That isn't a big deal. 17:31:11 <flo> I'm trying to decide how we are going to migrate existing passwords 17:31:29 <flo> should we remove them from the preference file? 17:31:53 <flo> (it's basically what we discussed without finding a really good solution in the bug iirc) 17:37:39 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 17:41:04 <clokep_work> I think they should be removed, yes. 17:41:31 <flo> that means someone trying a nightly can't go back to the current release 17:41:40 <clokep_work> (The only other thing I think is reasonable is leave them for now, then remove them next version.) 17:45:36 <flo> all the imIAccount.ERROR_MISSING_PASSWORD logic is broken if we become able to prompt for a password :-S 17:47:28 <clokep_work> :-/ 17:47:49 <clokep_work> I mean they don't need to be done at the same time, for now it could just force you to store them in the password manager. 17:54:11 <flo> so no password prompt in case it's missing? 17:54:11 <flo> hmm 17:57:47 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 18:00:38 <flo> so, I assume when we delete an account we also want to remove its password from the password manager. 18:00:55 <clokep_work> Probably. 18:01:07 <flo> to do that, we need to be able to decrypt the username. So deleting an account will prompt for the master password :-S 18:01:26 <clokep_work> (Unless they've already authenticated for the session, right?) 18:01:38 <flo> sure 18:06:30 <Mook_as> assuming they have a master password set up, just look for accounts that no longer exist the next time it's entered? 18:07:58 <flo> I guess another solution would be to put the username in the httpRealm field instead of the username field, so that it doesn't get encrypted 18:09:02 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 18:19:58 <-- MadWookiee has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 18:30:40 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 18:31:47 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 18:43:40 <-- Tomek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 18:48:58 --> Mautematico has joined #instantbird 18:50:43 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:58:56 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 19:21:16 <-- mmkmou has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 19:22:57 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 19:25:55 <instantbot> email@example.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1125 on bug 309. 19:26:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Some system messages contain emoticons where they should not. 19:48:56 --> flo has joined #instantbird 19:48:56 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:52:43 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:09:12 --> Maniro has joined #instantbird 20:10:33 <Maniro> I have a couple suggestions for InstantBird that I ran into trying it out today. 20:11:03 <clokep_work> Maniro: Go ahead (or check bugzilla.instantbird.org) 20:11:07 <EionRobb> is file transfers one of them? 20:11:12 <Maniro> no 20:11:42 <EionRobb> it should be ;) 20:12:05 <Maniro> 1) Have a provide feedback option in the Help options - having a feedback dialog boxes for crashes is great but what about other errors or issues? Maybe even have an option to submit errors from the errorlog with feedback would be great too. 20:13:34 <Maniro> 2) The XMPP server I am trying to connect to doesn't have a proper SSL certificate (I think it is from GoDaddy and they didn't install the entire chain) but I couldn't totally disable SSL nor would it give me the option to trust the certificate anyway. It would just give SSL Handshake Failed message over and over 20:14:32 <Maniro> 3) In the properties of the account, I couldn't edit all the settings for the account -> primarily login name and domain I was trying to get to. I had to delete and remake the account. I found that particularly annoying. 20:15:12 <clokep_work> 2. We know that's an issue, we'd like to be able to have it pop up and prompt you. You can totally disable SSL. But it'd be better to install the cert. 20:15:41 <clokep_work> 3. It's a different account, I'm not sure it makes sense to change the server of an account...that implies a new account. 20:15:50 <clokep_work> 1. We've discussed, but no one has written anything for. There might be a bug on file. 20:16:19 <Maniro> for 3, assume I made a typo and just wanted to correct it 20:16:38 <Maniro> it is pretty standard to be able to just edit the details 20:17:17 <clokep_work> : shrugs : Not in most clients I've used. 20:17:27 <clokep_work> I'm not sure we have a bug on that though, it'd be good to file one. :) 20:17:51 <clokep_work> (And the problem with that is the way we store account information I think. :-/) 20:18:22 <Maniro> I was lazy to check bugzilla first, sorry. I am on the way out the door so thought this would be easier 20:18:29 <Maniro> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429 <- edit username 20:18:32 <instantbot> Bug 429 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, edit username 20:18:41 <-- SM0TVI has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:20:50 <flo> Maniro: the account name or server is *not* a detail 20:21:07 <Maniro> for the SSL one, I didn't find it searching for SSL 20:21:13 <flo> I tend to agree it should be possible to change them (in the case of a typo) until the account has been connected successfully once though 20:21:37 <Maniro> That would be nice, yes 20:22:20 <flo> it's possible to turn off certificate checking from the advanced configuration editor 20:22:32 --> SM0TVI has joined #instantbird 20:23:01 <aleth> A possible way to implement that would be in the wizard: don't let the wizard quit (unless cancelled) until a successful connection has been established 20:23:02 <EionRobb> I can edit server names in thunderbird without any issues ;) 20:23:10 <EionRobb> or a 'Test Connection' button? 20:23:32 <Maniro> I got all excited to try InstantBird and was saddened when it wouldn't connect :( 20:23:36 <flo> EionRobb: there's a terrible hack for that 20:23:55 <flo> Maniro: in the preferences window, Advanced->General->Config Editor 20:24:03 <flo> then set purple.ssl.check_certificates to false 20:24:22 <flo> aleth: exactly what I had in mind ;) 20:25:21 <flo> EionRobb: by the way, I don't see how thunderbird server names are relevant in this context. It isn't an IM client (yet). 20:25:22 <aleth> Maniro: and maybe change server for one with a working SSL implementation? #probably_not_helpful 20:25:31 <Maniro> flo: That woks, thanks. 20:25:46 <-- SM0TVI has quit (Ping timeout) 20:26:01 <Maniro> aleth: I will raise a ticket with the provider but I can't up and switch that easily 20:26:08 --> SM0TVI has joined #instantbird 20:26:17 <-- SM0TVI has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:26:43 <flo> Maniro: no problem :) 20:27:33 <Mook_as> Maniro: and remember to turn it back on when it's fixed, since you're technically unsafe at the moment :) 20:28:27 --> deOmega1 has joined #instantbird 20:29:14 <deOmega1> hi, is it me or is instantbiird, Tbird and firefox very high on memory usage lately? 20:29:42 --> SM0TVI has joined #instantbird 20:30:07 <Mook_as> pfft, they don't hold a candle to komodo. (wait, I don't think that's a good thing) 20:30:09 <aleth> deOmega1: Nothing out of the ordinary here 20:30:16 <flo> deOmega1: define "very hight" 20:30:27 <flo> *high 20:31:08 <deOmega1> i have ib at like 150mb, tbird at 150 and firefox at almost 500 20:31:31 <flo> that sounds reasonable to me 20:31:41 <flo> except if it's 10 minutes after starting them 20:31:44 <aleth> FF memorey usage will depend mainly on how many tabs you have open and what is in them 20:31:58 <deOmega1> ok 20:32:08 <aleth> (and will be lower with more recent versions like Aurora) 20:32:38 <deOmega1> ok thanks. maybe i go to aurora :) 20:32:41 <aleth> Similarly with IB and the number of conversations 20:32:42 <deOmega1> thank you 20:32:48 <-- SM0TVI has quit (Quit: I view things as they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world, and my religion is to do good. -- Thomas Paine (*1737 â 1809)) 20:32:53 <flo> My Firefox currently takes 1GB (I've less than a hundred tabs though :-S), Instantbird 127MB, and my Thunderbird is dead :( 20:33:32 <aleth> Firefox Preferences -> General -> Don't load tabs until selected will also save you some memory if you are short 20:33:43 <Mook_as> well, did you at least get to murder it yourself? 20:33:52 <deOmega1> wow 1g on firefox.. but you keep firefox opened. I clore fairly often a 20:34:06 <aleth> Keeping it open doesn't make much difference these days 20:34:13 <flo> deOmega1: I keep it open about 60 days. Except if it crashes of course. 20:34:20 <deOmega1> wow 20:34:32 <deOmega1> so u never turn yoru pc off? it doesnot sleep? 20:34:47 <flo> 60 days is the average time before Mac OS X becomes so unstable/broken that I have to reboot it 20:35:04 <flo> deOmega1: I just close the screen and put the laptop in my backpack when I move... 20:36:34 <deOmega1> man. You know, I used to wonder why all this need for tabs tools in firefox... but now i see why 20:36:42 <flo> Mook_as: it's quite possible. I probably haven't rebuilt it properly (rebuilt only a few dirs to "save time") after hg updating 20:37:07 <flo> deOmega1: I wrote my own add-on for managing tabs :-D 20:37:17 <flo> purple.ssl.check_certificates 20:37:19 <flo> oops 20:37:23 <flo> https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/autoclose-tabs 20:37:48 <aleth> Sensible :) I used to use bar tab... 20:37:53 <flo> https://addons.mozilla.org/en/firefox/addon/autoclose-tabs/ 20:38:05 <-- Mook_as has quit (Ping timeout) 20:38:07 <deOmega1> I would have never understood a reason for that before now :) 20:38:36 <clokep_work> aleth: Hashtags work poorly on IRC as # is used for channel names. :P 20:39:24 <aleth> clokep_work: not sure what would constitute "working" in that instance anyway :P 20:40:24 <clokep_work> I got a nice link to some empty chat called probably_not_helpful. ;) 20:41:00 <flo> clokep_work: at least when talking in that chatroom, you have a good excuse for not being helpful :) 20:41:09 <flo> pfff 20:41:15 * flo rebuilds Thunderbird from scratch 20:41:17 <flo> :( 20:42:19 <aleth> clokep_work: Interesting... this must be some novel JS_IRC feature lowly nightly users can't see yet ;) 20:42:30 <clokep_work> aleth: No, it's mibbit. :P 20:44:04 <flo> and now I'm thinking I should consider buying a newer machine... :( 20:45:04 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 20:45:04 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 20:47:00 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 20:48:41 --> Tomek has joined #instantbird 20:52:50 --> SM0TVI has joined #instantbird 21:02:11 <-- mmkmou has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 21:02:31 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 21:18:30 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 21:23:30 <-- deOmega1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 21:23:33 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 21:34:32 --> jb has joined #instantbird 21:36:24 <-- jb has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 21:36:34 --> jb has joined #instantbird 21:40:35 --> Draighth has joined #instantbird 21:45:15 <-- jb has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 21:45:22 --> harlock has joined #instantbird 21:50:16 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 22:09:34 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Input/output error) 22:10:26 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 22:13:06 --> chrisccoulson_ has joined #instantbird 22:14:04 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 22:14:14 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 22:15:05 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 22:15:22 <-- chrisccoulson_ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 22:15:29 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 22:31:13 <flo> pfff, after building for over 100 minutes, it fails with a non sense error :( 22:50:52 <-- Draighth has left #instantbird () 22:55:38 <flo> Good night 22:55:41 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:02:18 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 1.1.19/2010030105]) 23:08:27 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 23:08:47 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 23:28:37 <-- wesj has quit (Input/output error) 23:28:53 --> wesj has joined #instantbird 23:46:47 <-- douglaswth has quit (Ping timeout) 23:46:55 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:46:55 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 23:48:24 --> douglaswth has joined #instantbird