#instantbird log on 01 17 2012

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00:13:45 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1123 on bug 1178.
00:13:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1178 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Regression: renamed contacts disappear from list
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00:27:52 <aleth> and I thought "formatAutoResponce" was a typo ;)  http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/modules/imThemes.jsm#376
00:28:24 <Mook_as> it is! it's just a shared typo ;)
00:29:56 <clokep> Hmmm?
00:30:04 <clokep> Is that causing an issue or just looking over random code?
00:30:27 <aleth> no issue, it's consistent... just something I stumbled over
00:30:29 <clokep> Typos should still be fixed though. :)
00:34:49 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1124 on bug 1135.
00:34:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1135 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Log date is not translated
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11:34:06 <clokep> Bah, every time there's something in the nightly build I really want...the partial update fails. Very annoying.
11:36:35 <flo> clokep: keep a copy of your previous nightly
11:36:51 <flo> We (Even and me) suspect the current windows nightly has a completely broken libpurple
11:37:05 <clokep> Ah, OK.
11:37:20 <flo> I would still like to know if you can reproduce
11:37:25 <flo> but be prepared to revert ;)
11:37:49 <clokep> Alright. :) I'll try in a few minutes.
11:37:59 <flo> and then we will disable the auto-update ^^
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11:57:05 <flo> ok, I think the update is disabled
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13:03:31 <clokep_work> flo: So is the plan to just back out the changes in that one file or?
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13:24:42 <flo> clokep_work: I don't think we have a plan yet :)
13:24:59 <flo> but we can either back-out (and get back hundreds of warnings)
13:25:24 <flo> or add #undef statements before the defines when we are on MSVC10
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13:46:35 <Even_> flo: I vote for the undef statements
13:46:40 <Even_> flo: seems nicer :)
13:46:58 * flo will only accept votes in the form of patches :-P
13:47:16 <flo> (but yeah, it seems nicer)
13:47:33 <Even_> I'm happy you've got the same feeling there ;)
13:47:53 <Even_> Though, as a quick fix, backing out will cut it.
13:48:20 <Even_> Better to have working nightlies than to upload every day broken ones :)
14:21:03 <flo> I agree. My plan is to attempt to do something correct, and if when I'm about to go to bed we have nothing ready to commit, then just back out...
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16:41:47 <clokep_work> flo: Sounds like a good plan. :)
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17:54:48 <iLobster> Greetings
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17:58:51 <iLobster> Do anyone have problems with connection to ICQ with last nightly?
17:59:21 <Mook_as> greetings, crustacean. I don't recall any issues, but nor did I specifically check that it succeeded.
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18:18:15 <osmano807> Does anyone know why it is giving this error when I try to compile the instantbird? http://pastebin.instantbird.com/9021
18:19:43 <flo> where did you get the source code from?
18:20:10 * Mook_as wonders if it's to do with make -j
18:20:25 <flo> Mook_as: on linux make -j isn't an issue
18:20:49 <Mook_as> oh, I meant "missing dependencies", not "it likes to crash randomly" :p
18:20:54 <flo> (and a path starting with /home/ feels like linux to me)
18:21:12 * Mook_as guesses archlinux?
18:22:12 <osmano807> flo: http://instantbird.com/downloads/1.1/instantbird-1.1.src.tgz
18:22:18 <osmano807> Mook_as: yes
18:22:58 <flo> have you configured anything special in the mozconfig file?
18:25:30 <osmano807> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/9022
18:25:54 <osmano807> flo: That's it, I see nothing wrong.
18:26:17 <flo> ac_add_options --with-libxul-sdk=/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-9.0.1  is obviously wrong
18:26:29 <Mook_as> hmm, my 1.1 is using gecko 7, at least
18:26:58 <flo> if you want to use gecko 9.0.1, you need to use the source code of the current nightlies
18:27:07 <flo> (from https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/)
18:27:36 <osmano807> flo: Oh, right.
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21:17:49 <Segaja> hi, i get this error during make: make[5]: *** No rule to make target `_xpidlgen/imICommandsService.h', needed by `export'.  Stop.
21:19:18 <Mook_as> Segaja: what's your .mozconfig like? (use a pastebin, please)
21:19:56 <Segaja> where is it located?
21:20:42 <Mook_as> err, ignore that, then - how are you building instantbird?
21:21:08 <Segaja> hang on. can't i just download an archive, extract it and run it?
21:21:32 <flo> usually, yes :)
21:21:41 <Segaja> ok, so my question is irrelevant
21:21:43 <Mook_as> yes, but then you shouldn't have messages from make ;)
21:21:43 <Segaja> i have it running
21:21:45 <Segaja> sorry
21:21:54 <Segaja> right, archlinux installer tries to build it
21:22:07 <Segaja> but as usually i don't use archlinux repos for mozilla products
21:22:37 <Mook_as> fwiw, you're the second arch guy today with that error :)
21:22:51 <Mook_as> (it appears they're using mozilla 9.0.1 with instantbird 1.1, which isn't going to work...)
21:23:19 <Segaja> ok
21:23:23 <flo> is there any way to send them feedback to tell them what they are doing is wrong?
21:23:48 <Mook_as> I think so; let me see what I can dig up
21:23:59 <Segaja> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=19350
21:24:17 <Segaja> already done by someone
21:24:23 <Mook_as> nice, the error is on that page too ;)
21:24:40 <Segaja> that is the page for the archlinux package of instantbird
21:25:03 <Segaja> the only dep is xulrunner >= 7.0
21:25:08 <Segaja> according to their file
21:25:16 <Mook_as> right, where it should be = 7.0 instead
21:25:34 <Mook_as> (because mozilla is awesome about backwards compatibility)
21:25:45 <Segaja> wright it as comment
21:25:50 <Mook_as> do you know how to file bugs against that package?
21:25:54 <Mook_as> (because I don't)
21:26:23 <Mook_as> oh, their bugzilla-ish-thing is https://bugs.archlinux.org/proj2?tasks=all&project=2&toggleadvanced=1
21:26:45 <Segaja> https://bugs.archlinux.org
21:26:56 <Segaja> under the AUR category
21:27:17 <Segaja> instantbird is provided as an AUR package in archlin ux
21:28:01 <Segaja> or try to contact the maintainer of the package
21:28:12 <Segaja> btw. how stable are the instantbird nightlies?
21:28:23 <flo> emailing the maintainer sounds like the easiest way
21:29:13 <flo> Segaja: they tend to work pretty well :). They break maybe once or twice a year (in which case you need to download the previous or next version yourself)
21:29:56 <Segaja> okay
21:30:08 <Segaja> hm, what does "Error: SSL Handshake Failed" mean?
21:30:42 <flo> the most frequent cause is that you are connecting to an XMPP server with a self signed certificate
21:30:55 <flo> (or signed by CACert, which is more or less the same thing)
21:31:20 <Segaja> that is true
21:31:32 <Segaja> other clients (like pidgin) ask if i want to accept it anyway
21:31:40 <Segaja> is there some way to tell instantbird to do that?
21:32:02 <flo> you can import the certificate from the advanced tab of the preferences dialog
21:32:52 <Segaja> uhm...
21:33:23 <Segaja> could you be a bit less cryptic? ;)
21:34:32 <flo> hmm, it may be called options on linux rather than preferences
21:35:19 <Segaja> i'm in prefs and advanced
21:35:24 <flo> anyway, from the menu of the contact list, open the window where you can change preferences/options. Then, select the last tab ("Advanced"), then the last sub-tab ("Encryption") 
21:35:26 <Segaja> and then "encryption"
21:35:32 <flo> "View certificates"
21:35:40 <Segaja> ok
21:36:02 <flo> "Authorities" 
21:36:07 <flo> "Import"
21:36:18 <Segaja> ok, small problem
21:36:19 <flo> and then you give it whatever certificate your server needs
21:36:23 <Segaja> where do i get the cert file?
21:36:35 <flo> I don't know
21:36:45 <flo> you haven't told me what you server uses to sign :-P
21:36:48 <flo> *your
21:37:10 <Segaja> no idea.
21:37:15 <Segaja> the server is jabber.bigpoint.net
21:37:28 <Mook_as> what port is it again?
21:37:32 <Segaja> 5222
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21:39:33 * clokep_work wonders if Even has any ideas about the issue with running Instantbird on Xubuntu that was posted today...
21:39:42 <clokep_work> What's with all the *nix people trying Instantbird today, aynway? :P
21:40:00 <Segaja> clokep_work: dunno, but i'm one of them
21:40:04 <flo> clokep_work: failing to try Instantbird ;)
21:40:06 <Segaja> and failed with the archlinux AUR package
21:40:43 <Segaja> flo: if i connect to the account with pidgin and accept the cert, can i somehow extract it from pidgin to import it in instantbird?
21:40:48 <flo> clokep_work: he most likely misses the 32bit version of a libpurple dependency
21:40:59 <flo> Segaja: I don't think so.
21:41:06 <Segaja> hm...
21:41:32 <Segaja> why doesn't instantbird offer such a dialog to accept an unstrusted cert?
21:41:32 <flo> the last resort solution is to completely turn of SSL certificate checking, but it's not terribly secure
21:41:46 <clokep_work> Segaja: Cause we haven't written one yet.
21:41:53 <Segaja> fair enough
21:41:57 <flo> Segaja: because it's surprisingly difficult to do and we haven't finished that in time for the 1.1 release
21:42:28 <Segaja> ok, to turn the check of i need to uncheck the SSL 3.0 element in Encrypt?
21:42:35 <flo> there's no UI for it
21:42:49 <flo> Advanced->General->Config Editor
21:42:49 <Segaja> ah ok
21:43:11 <flo> and then search for purple.ssl.check_certificates
21:43:17 <flo> set it to false
21:43:32 <Segaja> works
21:43:35 <Segaja> thanks
21:43:57 <flo> but it's terribly unsecure ;)
21:44:55 <Segaja> i know, but now i can work on the way to get the cert
21:45:02 <Segaja> any suggestions for that?
21:45:24 <flo> clokep_work: if that Xubuntu user could just download a 64bit version, that would probably work without any problem. I don't remember if we have build a 64bit 1.1 though
21:45:37 <clokep_work> I don't think we do flo.
21:45:44 <flo> ask the server admin?
21:46:09 <clokep_work> Doesn't seem like we do: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.1/
21:46:39 <flo> 1.0 is old enough that I don't have any idea of what was different then, so I can probably claim that a point release can't be that important and he should use 1.0 64 bit? :-D
21:46:43 <Segaja> so, any addons i should be aware of?
21:47:20 * clokep_work wonders why http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.0/ isn't show on http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/
21:47:49 <clokep_work> Segaja: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/
21:49:13 <flo> clokep_work: fixed
21:49:16 <Segaja> hm, none of the recommended strike me as need to have
21:49:39 <clokep_work> Segaja: Depends on your needs.
21:49:47 <clokep_work> Maybe if you said what it's missing for you...?
21:49:52 <Segaja> i want to use instantbird for xmpp at the moment
21:49:55 <flo> Segaja: if there was something everybody needs to have and that we could guess you need without knowing anything about your usage patterns, it would be there by default
21:50:14 <Segaja> clokep_work: at the moment i don't miss anything :)
21:50:33 <flo> Segaja: i'm jealous! :-P
21:50:48 <Segaja> except of the SSL cert accept dialog :P
21:55:25 <flo> clokep_work: haven't I already commented that the indent in chat/protocols/irc/Makefile.in mixes tabs and spaces?
21:57:03 <flo> uh, the only localized string used for indicating connection progress is "Sending the QUIT message"?
21:59:04 <flo> how are "Connection reset." and "Socket closed unexpectedly." different from a user point of view? Aren't they both technical garbage? What about something like "Lost connection with server" for both? (the technical detail can go to the error console, right?)
22:00:48 <flo> when is defaultAway=I am away from my computer. used? Can't it use the (default) value from messenger.status.defaultIdleAwayMessage?
22:02:12 <flo> does "Character Set Encoding" mean anything? (I think we frequently see "character set" or "encoding" or (rarely) "character encoding")
22:02:44 <flo> options.defaultEncoding=UTF-8 what is a localized supposed to do with that string?
22:03:11 <flo> what's options.username=Username and options.realname=Real name ?
22:03:43 <Segaja> so many questions and no answers
22:04:11 <aleth> Segaja: I think they are mostly rhetorical questions ;)
22:04:32 <Mook_as> right, darn, I forgot about looking at that patch.
22:04:44 <flo> Segaja: I suspect some answers will come in the form of a new patch when clokep will no longer be at work and I'll be asleep ;)
22:04:45 <Segaja> i would think so too
22:04:57 <Segaja> also i concure about the close message
22:05:40 <flo> the close message? :-S
22:06:04 <Segaja> the quit stuff i mean
22:06:21 <Segaja> with lost connection and socket closed unexptedly
22:07:26 <flo> clokep_work: when using %1$S in %2$S the localizable string, I think it's clearer to also use %1$S in the localization note, rather than "first %S"
22:08:42 <flo> ctcp.version=%1$S is using %2$S. should we add some quotes around %2$S ?
22:08:54 <clokep_work> flo: You did, but I didn't upload a new patch yet.
22:09:02 <flo> ok :)
22:09:52 <flo> clokep_work: don't forget to add irc.js (and probably a manifest file) in package-manifest.in :)
22:10:52 <flo> |command.ctcp=%S &lt;nick&gt; &lt;msg&gt;: Sends ctcp msg to nick.| as ctcp is an acronym, should we write CTCP?
22:10:58 <clokep_work> I'm going home though, will read later.
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22:11:51 <flo> "Send a command to the ChanServ." shouldn't that be "to ChanServ" (as it's a nick) or "to the channel server"?
22:13:03 <Segaja> i would keep the word "ChanServ" in it
22:14:08 <flo> (same comment applies for {Memo,Nick,Oper}Serv of course)
22:14:43 <flo> why does the list command cause some servers to disconnect the user?
22:15:07 <Segaja> because the output can be very long
22:15:19 <Segaja> and you get disconnected for flooding
22:16:46 <flo> it's not possible to part with a message without specifying the channel name? That seems... strange :-S
22:17:13 <Segaja> wouldn't that be a quit?
22:17:29 <flo> Segaja: isn't the server flooding you in that case? It doesn't make much sense to be disconnected for things that are being sent to you
22:17:38 <Segaja> hm, i think i can part the current channel with a message without adding the name in the command
22:18:07 <Segaja> flo: don't know about the flooding, but it was my first idea
22:18:25 <flo> Segaja: it was my first idea too ;). But it doesn't really make sense
22:18:35 <Segaja> well the irssi help says so too
22:19:13 <Segaja> can't you add the channel name to the part command if it is not given?
22:19:53 <flo> "Send CTCP VERSION request to a user." is too technical for the average user (you can argue that average users don't use commands though :))
22:21:57 <Segaja> well CTCP is some very technical command
22:22:00 <flo> why are there 2 separate whois/whowas commands? Can't they be merged into a single /who command? (maybe in a follow up though, as I don't know how easy the detection would be)
22:22:04 <Segaja> i don't think an average user will use it
22:22:24 <Segaja> whois gives you information about a current user
22:22:33 <Segaja> whowas about a user that was online but isn't anymore
22:23:05 <flo> Segaja: I know that.
22:23:23 <flo> Segaja: I'm reviewing https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=1115&action=diff and suggesting simplifications.
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22:23:51 <Segaja> /who is a different command all together
22:23:54 <Segaja> at least in irssi
22:24:20 <flo> "the second parameter is the source of the user who joined" that's nonsense to me (so probably to localizers too).
22:24:28 <Mautematico> Hi
22:24:37 <flo> Segaja: oh right, /who is used to find users that match a pattern, right?
22:24:42 <flo> Mautematico: hello :)
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22:25:01 <Mautematico> :)
22:25:01 <Mautematico> I'm using Instantbird 1.2 and Ubuntu 11.10
22:25:03 <Segaja> flo: where is that sentence from?
22:25:24 <flo> Segaja: I'm currently looking at chat/locales/en-US/irc.properties
22:25:26 <Mautematico> But, I tink someting is wrong whit the Instantbird tray icon
22:25:48 <flo> Mautematico: Instantbird 1.2 hasn't been released yet
22:26:01 <Mautematico> I know. I'm using nigtly
22:26:44 <Segaja> flo: you mean the comment about message.join?
22:26:57 <Segaja> if so the second parameter would be the host
22:27:47 <Mautematico> I'm uploading a picture. :)
22:29:13 <Segaja> flo: am i understanding this right that you are placing the libpurple irc implementation?
22:29:35 <flo> Segaja: again, I know what the parameter contains. What I'm saying is that the comment doesn't make sense, and doesn't help someone who wouldn't know without the comment
22:30:08 <flo> Segaja: we plan to replace the libpurple irc plugin with a JavaScript easily extensible implementation
22:30:12 <Segaja> well then write that it is the host
22:30:20 <Segaja> nice
22:30:28 <Segaja> did you look at other IRC JS implementations?
22:30:58 <flo> Segaja: yes. They are crappy.
22:31:14 <flo> "They are crappy" that's a summary of course :-D
22:31:25 <Segaja> ok
22:31:32 <Segaja> i only know two
22:31:39 <Segaja> the quakenet irc client and mibbit
22:31:44 <flo> there are details on clokep's blog: http://clokep.blogspot.com/
22:31:53 <Mautematico> flo: http://i41.tinypic.com/cj9c2.png
22:31:59 <flo> Segaja: we looked mostly at ChatZilla
22:32:19 <flo> does mibbit implement the IRC protocol in JS? I thought it was purely server-side
22:32:28 <Segaja> coule be. i don't know
22:32:33 <Segaja> i only know it has irc parts
22:32:50 <flo> Mautematico: I don't see any instantbird icon there
22:32:55 <Mautematico> flo: If I click on the  space between aMSN and Dropbox icons, Instantbirds open.
22:33:03 <flo> ah
22:33:15 <Mautematico> flo:  ¡¡exactly!! The icon is NOT here.
22:33:18 <Mautematico> :)
22:34:13 <Mautematico> I think... Maybe the icon is lost. How can I "change" this?
22:40:05 <flo> I don't know :(
22:40:34 <Segaja> can't one check that the file exists for starters?
22:50:19 <Mautematico> :) tnks
22:50:34 <Mautematico> good bye, see you soon. :)
22:57:10 <flo> Segaja: why would the file not exist?
22:57:27 <Segaja> some strange bug in the packaging?
22:57:42 <Segaja> or do you create the ubuntu .deb packages yourself?
22:57:51 <Segaja> or they store it in some strange place
22:58:14 <flo> as far as I know, there's currently no deb package, so I assumed he downloaded the archive from our website
22:58:34 <flo> "currently no deb package" I meant on ubuntu.
22:58:45 <flo> err, on current versions of ubuntu.
22:58:47 <Segaja> hm ok
22:59:06 <Segaja> what format is the icon?
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23:00:36 <flo> probably png
23:01:26 <Segaja> hm, so ubuntu should be able to view this
23:01:28 <aleth> FWIW I've seen recent nightlies run on kubuntu 11.10 without any icon problems. Could be a Unity thing?
23:01:41 <flo> aleth: likely
23:01:57 <aleth> If you feel you might be missing a file, why not just reinstall Instantbird? You won't lose your configuration
23:02:15 <flo> aleth: he has left ;)
23:02:24 <Segaja> i could test it on ubuntu 11.04 with normal gnome
23:02:56 <aleth> oops ;)
23:03:03 <flo> instantbot: review clokep's patch
23:03:06 <instantbot> flo: Sorry, I've no idea what 'review clokep's patch' might be.
23:03:29 <flo> :-/ firebot had a better message for that :-(
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23:48:08 <flo> Good night
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