#instantbird log on 01 16 2012

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01:46:37 <Hydrohs> I'm having issues running Instantbird on Debian and I'm wondering if anyone could help me out.
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12:43:05 <Mic> flo, http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/yesterday#m335 : I guess it's for commenting on something that only someone should see.
12:43:22 <Mic> If you'd send a private message, you'd lose the context
12:45:09 <flo> Mic: yeah... But it isn't implemented by any of the prpls we ship, and our UI doesn't do anything with that flag ;)
12:47:59 <Mic> instant-buildbot is noisy as it seems. The online logs are hard to skim when builds are started .. :S
12:49:29 <flo> I would prefer if it only announced when build are finished/failed
12:49:44 <flo> the "build started" information doesn't seem very valuable to me
12:51:18 <Mic> I need to go again. I guess I won't be at the weekly meeting once again. Sorry for that.
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13:52:53 <flo> great comment: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mailnews/db/gloda/modules/facet.js#480 :)
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14:57:29 <clokep> Good morning/day! :)
15:00:09 <flo> Hello clokep :)
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15:06:21 <clokep> instantbot: uuid
15:06:22 <instantbot> 27da0cfc-9cc5-4a84-9931-699b26a36f07 (/msg instantbot cid for CID form)
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15:58:08 <clokep> Bleh so I'm looking at this purple_request_field_image or whatever it is...but I'm not entirely sure what format the data is in.
16:00:08 <clokep> I think it's just the raw bytes, but I'm unsure (and unsure what to do with that.)
16:00:35 <flo> I would try to create a data: url
16:01:09 <clokep> Alright.
16:01:20 <clokep> Other issue: I really have no way to test this. :X
16:04:13 <flo> create a QQ account? :-P
16:04:40 <clokep> Yeah...I need to write some more code first. :P
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16:50:36 <clokep> So bugs like bug 987...should that be closed as "WONTFIX"?
16:50:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=987 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Expand all contacts to show second line
16:53:40 <flo> yes
16:54:21 <flo> (although I would like us to display the 2-lines-version automatically in some case, but that's extremely unlikely to happen in that bug :))
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17:04:44 <flo> clokep: meeting time?
17:05:03 <clokep> flo: Sure. Had no concept of time today. :)
17:05:34 <flo> I've just finished fixing the thing I've been working on Friday and today for Thunderbird :)
17:07:09 <clokep> Was this the async databasing stuff?
17:07:15 <clokep> (Or if not, what was it? :))
17:07:24 <clokep>  / how is that going in general?
17:07:37 <flo> no, I'm not convinced yet that we need to do anything about that
17:08:22 <flo> searching IM conversations with gloda, displaying the results, and being able to reopen a conversation that is listed as a search result. :)
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17:09:03 <clokep> Ah, very nice. :)
17:09:15 <flo> another way to say it: fulltext indexing works (it has worked for a while already, but now we can see the results)
17:09:22 <flo> I'll produce another try server build soon
17:10:11 <clokep> Awesome, seems like it's coming along well.
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17:11:28 <flo> I thought during the week-end of which parts of that system we will want to borrow for Instantbird. I don't think we will want gloda.
17:12:15 <Even1> lol
17:12:24 <Even1> From what I heard, I second that :)
17:12:28 <clokep> Too heavy? Too complicated?
17:12:34 <clokep> Just not done well?
17:12:35 <Even1> Both ?
17:12:37 <Even1> :P
17:12:39 <flo> crazy
17:12:52 <Even1> Ah, no the three of them :)
17:12:55 <Even1> *now
17:13:21 <Even1> Crazy... lol, I love this description
17:13:43 <clokep> Well, I guess that's slightly unfortunate though.
17:13:51 <Even1> But at least, does it performs well in simulating a working research system?
17:13:52 <flo> there are lots of abstractions, but not where they would actually be needed. It's excessively difficult to understand what all that code does.
17:14:08 <clokep> Sounds like another library we use. ;)
17:14:14 <Even1> lol
17:14:39 <flo> not really.
17:14:54 <Even1> Well, p...e is somehow different.
17:15:14 <flo> on libpurple it's usually easy to figure out what will happen when you call a function.
17:15:20 <flo> (if this is the library you had in mind)
17:15:23 <Even1> (crash)
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17:15:25 <clokep> That's good that you got it working though. :) Have you gotten much feedback outside of the bug? (On general usage, not necessarily reviews.)
17:15:37 <Even1> :P
17:15:44 <Even1> THAT was mean ^^
17:15:48 <flo> clokep: some enthusiasm, but no detailed feedback
17:16:14 <clokep> Good.
17:16:22 <Even1> Yeah; that's cool.
17:16:28 <flo> I guess I wrote that feedback myself
17:16:35 <Even1> It's still something to have people on the way to linking it.
17:16:42 <Even1> *liking
17:16:45 <flo> as I emailed last week a list of at least a dozen of points that UX-wise aren't right in the current prototypes
17:17:40 <clokep> Alright.
17:18:01 <flo> so, let's bring the topic back to Instantbird :)
17:18:10 <clokep> So two of the last win32 nightlies failed in the hg pull it seems?
17:18:30 <Even1> Yeah :-/
17:18:32 <flo> Even1: have you had a chance to look at what happened on the Windows slave?
17:18:38 <Even1> Yeah. I had.
17:18:44 <clokep> I think #developers says something having issues pulling over non-SSL I'm not sure if that's related?
17:18:44 <Even1> And I don't have a clue.
17:18:48 <Even1> Might just need to be restarted...
17:19:06 <Even1> I tried to clone it manually and it just fails the same way.
17:19:09 <flo> have you got a message like "abort: 00changelog.i@c005213082eb: unknown parent!"?
17:19:10 <Even1> So it's not even buildbot related.
17:19:23 <Even1> That would have been the most obvious reason though...
17:19:24 <Even1> So sad :)
17:19:40 <Even1> nop
17:19:51 <Even1> The only error message is already in the log.
17:20:05 <Even1> premature EOF chunk
17:20:08 <Even1> *reading chunk
17:20:15 <Even1> and bam
17:20:20 <flo> (I'm asking because that message is a known issue, hg.mozilla.org is broken using HTTP today, the recommanded workaround is to pull from ssh, which obviously doesn't help people without commit access)
17:20:29 <Even1> ok
17:20:32 <Even1> so this is it :)
17:20:37 <Even1> but it's not only today
17:20:41 <Even1> was the salme yesterday :P
17:20:47 <flo> yeah...
17:20:50 <Even1> I thought might be mozilla related
17:20:53 <Even1> I see...
17:21:19 <flo> the mozilla bug is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718186
17:21:51 <clokep> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5868475/building-mozilla-abort-premature-eof-reading-chunk-error suggests it's a network issue.
17:22:37 <clokep> Although I see somewhere else it says to run hg verify and ensure there's no errors.
17:23:10 <flo> yes, it seems like the error I get when attempting to clone mozilla-central which has become too large these days. Usually retrying several times (up to 5-6 times) "solves" it :-S
17:23:30 <flo> downloading the bundle and unpacking would help
17:23:48 <flo> Even1: but do you know why the cache repository was removed by buildbot in the first place?
17:25:06 <Even1> nop
17:25:23 <Even1> I couldn't find where it was for starters.
17:26:02 <Even1> it was there... update OK, compiile failed
17:26:12 <Even1> and then... it tried to clone it right away according to the log
17:26:18 <Even1> no abvious reason for this
17:26:22 <Even1> *obvious
17:26:33 <Even1> THis is very disturbing to me.
17:27:03 <flo> :(
17:27:22 <flo> it seems with the buildbot upgrade we lose on one side what we won on the other :-(
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17:27:57 <deOmega1> clokep, thank you for the input.
17:28:10 <clokep> deOmega1: Did that work?
17:28:17 <deOmega1> yes
17:28:23 <clokep> flo: What issue is this? It has to reclone the repository every time?
17:28:27 <clokep> deOmega1: Great! :)
17:28:32 <Even1> doesn't seem to be related with the upgrade at all
17:28:48 <Even1> it worked for 3 whole days without a single problem
17:28:52 <flo> last week we discussed a possible 1.2 by the end of the month
17:29:00 <flo> here are our notes: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/instantbird-1-2-plan
17:29:12 <deOmega1> I have done userchrome in firefox before, but  could not understand why i was having any issue.  Thanks
17:29:22 <flo> Even1: it seemed to have happened when I pushed a change to client.py
17:29:29 <flo> Even1: but of course that may be completely unrelated
17:30:05 <flo> there hasn't been a lot of progress on the points listed there
17:30:12 <Even1> flo: about a possible release, I want to add that if the bug when exiting on Win7 SP1 is not fixed, it's not a good idea to release this.
17:30:17 <Even1> It's obviously new.
17:30:18 <flo> I spent some time on my review queue, but it's nowhere near empty
17:30:20 <clokep> deOmega1: Yup, no problem. :) Glad you said you created a text file or else I would've had no idea!
17:30:25 <Even1> There is no issue with a build from two months ago.
17:30:37 <flo> Even1: it's been in 1.0 and 1.1 already, hasn't it?
17:30:45 <Even1> Nop.
17:30:48 <Even1> It's new.
17:30:50 <clokep> Even1: Which bug when existing on Windows 7?
17:31:16 <Even1> It crashes when you close Ib.
17:31:21 <flo> http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/query/query?product=Instantbird&version=ALL%3AALL&date=&range_value=1&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query=&build_id=&process_type=all&do_query=1
17:31:26 <Even1> On recent nightlies.
17:31:29 <flo> at the top  we still have a Mac crasher
17:31:36 <flo> we could push a fix for that!
17:31:44 <Even1> It started since files were move around in the repository or around this timeframe.
17:31:51 <Even1> *moved
17:32:21 <Even1> I don't believe we can release such a regression.
17:32:27 <flo> Even1: it's more likely to be when Gecko was updated, isn't it?
17:32:37 <Even1> Would looks like this.
17:32:38 <clokep> Ah, OK. Yes, that's the crasher that I'm getting. (Although I'm not the only one anymore, it seems.)
17:32:43 <Even1> But I'm pretty sure it's not.
17:32:50 <flo> Even1: can you reproduce it 100% of the time? If so, please find a regression range :)
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17:33:03 <clokep> flo: I can reproduce as well.
17:33:11 <Even1> I can not do it 100% of the time, but I'm close.
17:33:13 <flo> clokep: which crash are you talking about?
17:33:22 <clokep> flo: The one Even1 just linked to?
17:33:24 <Even1> The only issue is that I don't really want to try out a lot of nightlies :)
17:33:31 <clokep> Oops, the one YOU just linked to.
17:33:35 <Even1> ^^
17:33:45 <Even1> It's not new on me.
17:33:51 <flo> clokep: I linked to the whole crash list...
17:33:56 <Even1> It has been doing this for at least a month :)
17:34:14 <Even1> hmm, might not be a whole month in fact
17:34:14 <clokep> flo: Blah, the top Windows crasher.
17:34:16 <Even1> considering...
17:34:19 <flo> Even1: if you are the only one having it AND you don't want to find more information about it, then we can decide it doesn't exist :-P
17:34:30 <Even1> I'm not. That's a sure thing.
17:34:32 <clokep> Probably top because I restart Instantbird daily. ;)
17:34:37 <Even1> I have this one on at least 3 computers.
17:34:40 <Even1> Totally different ones.
17:34:59 <Even1> Yeah, me too :)
17:35:11 <Even1> And if clokep has it too, looks like it makes 2 people now :P
17:35:31 <Even1> (I restart it 2 to 3 times daily, that makes a huge amount of reports too :P)
17:35:37 <flo> clokep: the top crash on that list is Mac-only and Mozilla developer claim to have fixed it with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704866#c6 which we could backport
17:35:54 <Even1> That would be cool to try it out yeah.
17:35:56 * clokep is talking about http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/list?product=Instantbird&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query=&date=&range_value=1&range_unit=weeks&process_type=all&plugin_field=&plugin_query_type=&plugin_query=&do_query=1&signature=purple_connection_get_state
17:36:06 <flo> Even1: I've no idea of how you can decide it's the same crash if you haven't compared the stacks
17:36:23 <clokep> flo: I did specify the top WINDOWS crasher.
17:36:29 <Even1> If he gets this each time he restarts, it the same :)
17:36:44 <Even1> Would be such a coincidence if not...
17:37:01 <clokep> Anyway, I'll look into if I can find a regression range for it.
17:37:12 <flo> Even1: is yours also in purpleAccountBuddy::GetCanSendMessage?
17:37:24 <Even1> I suggest you start by before and after XUL update and before and after file reoganization.
17:37:28 <flo> Even1: clokep has been crashing at shutdown for 6 months...
17:37:31 <Even1> Those are the two most obious choices.
17:37:34 <Even1> But I don't think it's XUL.
17:37:36 <Even1> Fx is fine.
17:37:47 <clokep> Ah, no. I haven't been crashing that long.
17:38:04 <flo> 5 and a half then? :-D
17:38:05 <clokep> I've been crashing for a month maybe.
17:38:13 <Even1> The same as me then !
17:38:31 <clokep> Yeah I don't think it's been six months. :)
17:38:47 <Even1> Yeah, flo is trying to turn me into a fool there :)
17:39:13 <clokep> Looks like it started on December 22nd...but I was away on business before that so didn't use my laptop for a week.
17:39:13 <flo> clokep: you were definitely the only one crashing with that stack when we discussed it in https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1017 (filed in september)
17:39:17 <instantbot> Bug 1017 cri, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Shutdown crash [@ purple_blist_node_set_ui_data ]
17:40:00 <clokep> I think that's a different crash than what I'm getting now.
17:40:19 <Even1> Yeah, me too :)
17:40:28 <Even1> I beleive there is a new one, more consistent...
17:40:46 <flo> clokep: it looks the same to me. In both cases some JS code is holding a reference to a purpleAccountBuddy after libpurple has been uninitialized
17:41:22 <Even1> But maybe in the first case it was only somehow a race bug, so a rare one.
17:41:28 <Even1> While now it's generalized.
17:41:33 <Even1> For some reason.
17:41:40 <flo> it's possible there's a more common situation leading to the same bug
17:41:40 <clokep> flo: Alright, how confident are you in that patch then?
17:41:48 <Even1> And happens every damn shutdown/restart
17:42:24 <flo> could it be JS-XMPP?
17:42:37 <flo> scratch that (that's stupid :))
17:42:54 <Even1> (though, I say "every damn", it's slighly untrue, I think you need to have at least opened the conversation window, or need to have had some kind of activity for it to crash, I tried to open/close right away and in this case it does not crash)
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17:44:21 <clokep> I can't reproduce at all on my dev profile. 
17:44:25 <flo> this is what we have when looking at the data for the last 4 weeks instead of only one: http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/query/query?product=Instantbird&version=ALL%3AALL&date=&range_value=4&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query=&build_id=&process_type=all&do_query=1
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17:44:38 <flo> the #1 is Mac only, we have a patch we can try.
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17:45:14 <flo> #2 is unfortunately impossible to diagnose (absolutely no data in the reports)
17:45:46 <flo> #3 is bug 1089. I don't have any good idea of what to do about it :(.
17:45:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1089 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Crash [@ ssl_nss_handshake_cb]
17:46:14 <Mook_as> well, 2) has _some_ info; picking one at random, http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/765954f6-d08c-466f-930a-1a52d2120116
17:46:18 <flo> #4 is something we can work on (it's what we have just discussed)
17:46:19 <Mook_as> xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: Can't allocate mozilla::ReentrantMonitor: file e:\bb-slave\win32\obj-instantbird\mozilla\dist\include\mozilla/ReentrantMonitor.h, line 81)
17:46:31 <flo> Mook_as: so that's OOM?
17:46:42 <Mook_as> that particular one, at least
17:46:49 <flo> #5 is the same as #3
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17:48:07 <flo> #6 is on 7SP1 only, I'm almost sure it's a stack like that that Even1 gave me the last time he complained in private, and it happens also with Instantbird 1.0 and 1.1. (whereas #4 is only on nightlies)
17:48:45 <flo> #7 is the MSN prpl that sucks.
17:48:50 <Even1> I used Instantbird 1.1 on this same computer and no.
17:48:57 <Even1> I can tell you, it does not happen.
17:49:05 <Even1> At least, it's not consistent.
17:49:06 <flo> Even1: look at about:crashes and give links to your stacks ;)
17:49:10 <Even1> I never experienced it.
17:49:20 <flo> Even1: it's possible you are hit by 2 different shutdown crashes ;)
17:49:27 <Even1> Maybe...
17:49:35 <Even1> That would explain this mess :)
17:49:39 <Mook_as> other random samples in #2 seem to be "crashreporter can't decide what thread crashed so it just gave nothing instead of what it can"
17:49:41 <Even1> *also* explain
17:49:56 <flo> Mook_as: so #2 is "random mess" then?
17:49:58 <Even1> What's the best way to get about:crashes ?
17:50:02 <Mook_as> flo: yep!
17:50:07 <flo> openDialog("about:crashes") in the error console
17:50:07 <clokep> Even1: openDialog("about:crashes")
17:50:15 <Even1> ok
17:50:18 <Even1> was going for this one anyway :P
17:51:01 <Even1> ...
17:51:06 <flo> also, note that the stacks for #6 are all unreadable. I think that's a soccoro bug that Mozilla has fixed
17:51:06 <Even1> clicking on a crash opens it in Ibb :(
17:51:12 <Even1> That's not very practical :D
17:51:21 <flo> Even1: it's great to see your latest crash :)
17:51:22 <Even1> Can't get the stupid link :P
17:51:40 <Even1> http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/cdd02b80-a06d-4252-8d6c-1adf82120116
17:51:42 <flo> (but it's still a bug)
17:51:49 <Even1> That's my last stack
17:52:08 <flo> Even1: that's an instance of #16
17:52:22 <Even1> #6 you mean
17:52:28 <flo> no, 16
17:52:42 <Even1> don't get it...
17:53:10 <flo> Even1: which has been reported a total of 6 times
17:53:32 <Even1> Oh yeah...
17:53:43 <flo> always on recent nightlies (as it in the MSVC2010 CRT), but once on Vista SP2
17:53:55 <Even1> And there are 3 other stacks that are reported as "pending" even if they are older
17:54:09 <Even1> I suppose they never were reported properly :(
17:54:32 <flo> hmm, the real crasher here is purpleAccountBuddy::GetDisplayName
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17:55:05 <Even1> Looks like it yeah.
17:55:08 <flo> so it could be a variation from #4
17:55:16 <Even1> But why even call that on shutdown?
17:55:17 <Even1> Strange...
17:55:28 <flo> Even1: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1017
17:55:32 <instantbot> Bug 1017 cri, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Shutdown crash [@ purple_blist_node_set_ui_data ]
17:56:05 <flo> I'll mark that bug as blocking 1.2, as it's most likely the first step in fixing that mess anyway
17:56:20 <Even1> If this is so, then 1017 is now very active since recently.
17:56:29 <Even1> And it's not a very blocking bug.
17:56:34 <Even1> *now
17:56:53 <Even1> Yeah, I believe you're right anyway.
17:56:57 <flo> done
17:57:04 <Even1> Otherwise, we might want to try a debug build to get some more info.
17:57:05 <flo> we won't forget :)
17:57:09 <Even1> It's not like it's hard to reproduce.
17:57:18 <flo> Even1: I don't think you need a debug build
17:57:30 <flo> just running on a machine with VS2010 installed would be enough
17:57:37 <Even1> Yeah, that too :)
17:57:40 <flo> (and download the symbols)
17:57:48 <Even1> Yeah...
17:57:58 <flo> but a debug build could be nice, as I suspect the root cause is a memory leak somewhere :)
17:58:00 <Even1> But it would also need to deactivate breakpad.
17:58:05 <Even1> Or it would get in the way...
17:58:12 <Even1> I have 2010 on this computer.
17:58:14 <flo> but I've fixed all the memory leaks I was aware of on my Mac debug build
17:58:17 <Even1> It does not even ask me to debug...
17:59:12 <flo> crasher #8 seems like a poor driver on Vista SP2
18:00:45 <flo> #9 also looks like a shutdown crash on 7SP1 and 8 (didn't know we had at least one user on a windows 8 preview)
18:01:23 <Even1> ^^
18:01:27 <Even1> Why not ? :P
18:01:33 <Even1> (it's not me though...)
18:01:49 <Even1> (could have been, I downloaded it, and never got any further :D)
18:02:23 <Even1> Now that the beta i on its way, no need to go that far :)
18:02:30 <Even1> Might try out the beta ^^
18:02:50 <Even1> I have something I really want to check for my company
18:03:04 <Even1> (some profile related thing :P)
18:04:31 <flo> by the way, if you guys (especially clokep Even1) could take the habit of adding a comment with your nick (and someway for you to identify on which machine/profile you were at the time of the crash) on each crash report you send, it would simplify things :)
18:05:03 <clokep> flo: Will do from now on. :) In the email field or the comment field or?
18:05:15 <flo> the email field is useless
18:05:35 <flo> (we can't see the content without querying for that report specifically on the database by hand)
18:05:47 <clokep> I always identify myself via the extensions I have installed. :-D
18:05:55 <flo> that takes longer
18:05:59 <clokep> Yeah.
18:06:14 <flo> you can also include the last action you performed, etc...
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18:06:18 <flo> if it's likely related
18:06:18 <Even1> flo: might try to think about it, but you know me... it's hard for me to recall those kind of things ^^
18:06:59 <Even1> Well, I'm moving from office A to office B :)
18:07:00 <Even1> See you soon :)
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18:08:59 <clokep> Are we done with crashers? Talk about Facebook for a second?
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18:10:17 <flo> the crashers further down the list seem to be variations of crashers  we have already discussed, or just libpurple's unstability
18:10:40 <flo> (or Mozilla's instability...)
18:10:59 <clokep> Alright.
18:11:02 <flo> sure, go ahead :)
18:11:32 <clokep> So they have their new "Facebook XMPP Developer Relations".
18:12:00 <clokep> I'm not sure how much they'll be listening to feedback vs. just telling people what changes they made.
18:12:12 <clokep> (I saw you were in it flo, but not sure if you've been reading it at all.)
18:12:38 <clokep> But anyway, important things: They want to go to fully SSL (either STARTTLS or just SSL) and they want to only support X-FACEBOOK-PLATFORM auth.
18:12:55 <clokep> So one good thing and one bad thing. :-D
18:13:03 <flo> "they want to only support X-FACEBOOK-PLATFORM auth" uh, when have they added that??
18:13:40 <clokep> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/8885
18:13:48 <clokep> It's the top post in there right now.
18:14:00 <flo> yeah, they added that very recently
18:14:33 <clokep> Yes. (I changed my notifications to get emails for that group by the way.)
18:17:03 <flo> clokep: do you know if we can post publicly things that are said in that group?
18:17:22 <clokep> flo: I've seen it done in the pidgin room, but I guess we probably shouldn't.
18:17:33 <clokep> (Or maybe it was the adium one?)
18:17:46 <clokep> We could always ask about that as well. :)
18:18:04 <flo> have you seen the third comment on that post?
18:18:36 <clokep> Yes, that they really only care bout mobile apps.
18:18:56 <flo> that they plan to stop using XMPP for them!
18:19:17 <flo> and that they are the important consumer of the API currently
18:19:18 <clokep> They plan on switching to MQTT, yes. Which I just looked up briefly.
18:19:20 <flo> that's scary
18:19:42 <clokep> Yes. :-/
18:20:40 <flo> but they just say "considering for 2012", there's no clear timeframe
18:20:53 <flo> I guess we will have an advance notice if they decide to move forward
18:21:25 <clokep> Yes, hopefully they'll give enough notice for us to get a release out. :)
18:21:36 <flo> the list of bugs with 1.2 in the whiteboard: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=sw%3A1.2&list_id=312
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18:23:01 <flo> are you going to take 1218 (escaping twitter search API calls) and 1113 (starting the twitter timeline from the last read tweet, rather than the last received)
18:23:03 <flo> ?
18:23:18 <clokep> Probably. I've had some ideas about how to do 1113.
18:23:42 <flo> this is what we have discussed last week: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/instantbird-1-2-plan
18:24:01 <flo> (ah, I already pasted that an hour ago :))
18:24:25 <flo> I made some progress on the review queue but still have a lot of work there
18:24:35 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 987 to WONTFIX.
18:24:35 <clokep> Yup! :)
18:24:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=987 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Expand all contacts to show second line
18:24:48 <flo> I saw you started some work on QQ
18:25:09 <clokep> A little bit, yes.
18:25:40 <clokep> My plan was to use one of the unused spot of PurpleRequestUIOps to make an actual "request_captcha" method and then use that instead in QQ.
18:25:59 <clokep> Does that seem reasonable?
18:26:42 <flo> yes
18:27:09 <flo> using an unused spot or not doesn't really matter for Instantbird as we don't respect the binary compatibility rules of libpurple plugins anyway
18:27:31 <clokep> Right, I figured it'd make sense to use an unused spot anyway. :)
18:32:14 <clokep> If we're not going to use JS-XMPP for GTalk we don't need bug 1231 -- facebook doesn't support formatting.
18:32:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1231 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, 'Display Formatting of incoming messages', not implemented in JS-XMPP
18:33:11 <flo> right
18:33:19 <flo> I still have some hope of finishing/fixing JS-XMPP
18:33:25 <flo> as that can be "Thunderbird work" ;)
18:33:38 <clokep> :)
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18:38:10 <flo> I'll be offline for an hour or two.
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18:39:09 <deOmega1> hi, i have this issue where if i maximize  my chat window on my screen,   the background on some of these themes get really bad
18:39:27 <deOmega1> any idea what  aspect in teh message style I should be looking at to address that?
18:40:47 <deOmega1> my goal this year is to learn some html and css,.. and that will be when things slow up around summer.. may even take a summer class.
18:41:25 <clokep> deOmega1: I'm not sure what part of the message themes that is, sorry. :(
18:41:29 <clokep> flo or aleth or mic would know.
18:42:04 <deOmega1> Thanks clokep
18:42:22 <clokep> But it's probably somewhere in https://wiki.instantbird.org/Files_used_by_Instantbird_in_message_styles deOmega1. :)
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18:42:40 <clokep> It's probably in header.html then.
18:43:59 <clokep> (And that's great! HTML/CSS isn't too bad, probably the first "programming" I did.)
18:44:29 <deOmega1> by the way, one of the reasons i did not question that file css file we discussed earlier showing .txt, is because in the addon tutorial i have been exploring.. that i what the file  is like.. but maybe i am not at the point where i nee  to convert it :)
18:44:36 <deOmega1> OK, thank you very much
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18:45:17 <clokep> Yeah, you should always just use .css, that way your text editor will pick it up as the right language. :)
18:45:30 <clokep> (I mean it /is/ just a text file, so it doesn't really matter...but still...)
18:46:11 <deOmega1> that is a very nice link, thank you.   man, there is so much information.. links leading to links
18:46:15 <deOmega1> thanks for this one
18:46:48 <deOmega1> by teh way, how do you   go about making the new file if the  contect menu in wiondows really only offer you the option to make atext file
18:47:03 <deOmega1> you  basically did what i did? make teh text file then convert it?
18:47:42 <clokep> I always show file extensions so I make a new textfile and delete the filename & extension and type whatever I want.
18:47:47 <deOmega1> man, VERY VERY nice link
18:48:02 <deOmega1> ah, ok.  thanks
18:48:19 <clokep> But I usually make my files via Komodo.
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18:48:47 <deOmega1> ok
18:49:05 <clokep> So if you make them from Notepad++ you could probably do that too.
18:50:22 <deOmega1> u know, i am using 27 inch monitors, i wonder if i will have teh same problem on a smaller monitor.  I will test that next
18:50:38 <clokep> It's probably just tiling the background poorly.
18:54:03 * clokep has a patch for bug 1218.
18:54:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1218 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Search API queries need some escaping
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18:56:57 <Mook_as> a screenshot might help.
18:57:06 <Mook_as> that MQTT spec is whack; "All data values are in big-endian order", but their "Remaining Length" header field encoding appears to have little-endian semantics...
18:58:10 <clokep> Haven't you realized by now that all specs are whack? :P
18:58:16 <clokep> That's what I've come to realize. :-D
18:58:45 <clokep> If they were to drop XMPP, hopefully they'd allow MQTT at least.
18:58:57 <clokep> But we're just making things up at this point. :-D
19:12:22 <deOmega1> Mook_as: You were talking to me?
19:12:31 <deOmega1> re: screenshot?
19:13:02 <Mook_as> deOmega1: right
19:19:09 <deOmega1> http://i44.tinypic.com/qs85jm.jpg
19:19:28 <deOmega1> I only mad eit as wide as necessary
19:19:32 <Mook_as> ah, it's using background images and not wide enough
19:19:55 <Mook_as> changing the theme to use -moz-grandients of various sorts would fix it, I guess?
19:20:52 <deOmega1> http://i44.tinypic.com/e7l0sx.jpg
19:21:08 <deOmega1> that is the max size it stays intact
19:21:26 <clokep> Or just properly tiling it. :)
19:23:00 <deOmega1> Ok, thanks, will  explore that :)
19:24:32 <deOmega1> well, there are styles that work well... that use background images
19:25:05 <deOmega1> work is never done
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19:46:09 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 931 to FIXED.
19:46:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=931 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, Log viewer displays :0 in timestamps as emoticon
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19:48:01 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 931 from FIXED to WORKSFORME.
19:48:19 <clokep> Maybe it should actually be WONTFIX even. ;)
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19:48:48 <aleth> Yes, that's the other one I considered...
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19:52:13 <deOmega1> test
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20:14:43 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1238 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
20:14:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1238 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, No way to view logs for which no buddy or current conversation exists
20:18:54 <clokep> Hmmm...I could have sworn that we had a bug about that already but I can't find it.
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20:25:51 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1144 to WONTFIX.
20:25:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1144 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Use SQLite to save history/logs
20:28:04 <aleth> clokep: Were you thinking of bug 423? I just found it ... too late
20:28:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=423 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add "View Logs" menu item before implement new logs viewer
20:28:19 <clokep> aleth: Yes, but I'm about to close that.
20:29:34 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 423 to INVALID.
20:30:07 <clokep> Mic: Is bug 514 still an issue? I don't really understand how to reproduce.
20:30:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=514 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Findbar broken when changing logs
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20:37:05 <aleth> What happened to the student projects by the way? Anything cool in progress?
20:38:10 <clokep> I haven't heard anything more, that would've been good to ask flo during the meeting. :)
20:38:23 <aleth> I couldn't be there for the meeting :(
20:39:36 <flo> the update from libpurple 2.10.0 to 2.10.1 is super small
20:39:40 <flo>  5 files changed, 111 insertions(+), 43 deletions(-)
20:40:45 <flo> which student project?
20:40:57 <flo> JS-XMPP has landed a while ago, but you probably already know that ;)
20:41:12 <flo> oh, the students from the university of Evry?
20:41:25 <aleth> You said there would be students looking to write add-ons etc...
20:41:29 <flo> their projects start today.
20:41:37 <flo> (they received today the list of possible projects)
20:42:30 <clokep> I think one or two of the changes in 2.10.1 was stuff we gave to libpurple (Sametime changes).
20:42:35 <clokep> Ah, cool. Is that the list on fthe website?
20:42:38 <aleth> OK :) It just struck me nobody had ventured in here as far as I noticed at least...
20:43:29 <flo> clokep: ignoring the sametime changes we already have (because they are yours in the first place) is the only thing that didn't work automatically when I launched the update script
20:43:42 <clokep> Nice. :)
20:44:23 <flo> clokep: for Instantbird they have a link to the wish list on the wiki, and are instructed to contact me to discuss any idea they have / want to follow
20:44:48 <flo> for other projects, they have more specific subjects
20:45:37 <clokep> Ah, I see.
20:45:50 <flo> this is the libpurple update: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/8901
20:45:55 <flo> I guess I can just push it
20:48:11 <clokep> flo: One of those sametime changes looks weird.
20:48:21 <clokep> @@ -922,16 +922,21 @@ static PurpleGroup *group_ensure(PurpleC
20:48:29 <clokep> It's adding the same if statement twice.
20:48:58 <clokep> Besides that it doesn't look wrong, necessarily. ;)
20:52:39 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1065 to WONTFIX.
20:52:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1065 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, RESO WONTFIX, Remove unnecessary borders from message area
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21:00:35 <flo> clokep: thanks, I've reverted that sametime change. Probably caused by a diff with not enough context
21:03:27 <clokep> flo: Yeah, probably. r+ then. :)
21:04:10 <flo> indexed logs would actually be stored in SQLite
21:04:38 <flo> as it seems sqlite needs to have the full indexed text stored
21:04:49 <flo> but that bug wasn't super useful anyway :)
21:05:38 <clokep> Hmm...OK. :)
21:05:58 <clokep> I dislike bugs that have a solution without a discussion of the real problem. :(
21:07:59 <flo> clokep: the real problem in that bug was "there are hundreds of small files on my hard disk, and I've decided this is bad"
21:08:16 <clokep> Ah, yeah.
21:08:32 <clokep> I've decided that's a WONTFIX. ;)
21:08:41 <flo> yeah...
21:08:54 <flo> I've decided that's "no value, don't bother" :-D
21:15:30 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1121 on bug 1218.
21:15:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1218 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Search API queries need some escaping
21:15:34 <clokep> Sorry to make your review queue longer flo. ;)
21:15:48 <flo> it's not your fault ;)
21:16:51 <clokep> That one is fairly minimal though. :)
21:21:11 <flo> encodeURIComponent wasn't enough?
21:21:49 <clokep> It seemed to make sense to use the same thing in both places.
21:22:12 <clokep> encodeURIComponent would be enough to handle # though.
21:23:57 <flo> moving the other function is annoying, as the OAuth code is likely going to be moved out soon
21:24:01 <flo> it's not twitter specific
21:24:24 <flo> (by the way, it's being forked for Thunderbird)
21:25:37 <clokep> What's being forked about it?
21:26:21 <flo> using it from something that isn't twitter.js
21:26:29 <clokep> I can just encodeURIComponent if you'd like.
21:26:48 <clokep> Does that involve forking it or just abstracting it and then using it in twitter as well?
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21:28:15 <flo> in the future we are likely going to abstract it so that we can use it for facebook and msn too
21:28:25 <clokep> OK.
21:28:29 <flo> (it's for the BigFiles feature that OAuth is needed for Thunderbird)
21:28:42 <clokep> Ah, yeah I figured that. :)
21:29:09 <clokep> Perhaps doXHR should take in an array of get parameters then and encode them in there?
21:29:18 <clokep> That was the other way I thought of doing it.
21:29:48 <flo> maybe...
21:30:02 <flo> do we know if only # is causing a problem or if there are other problematic characters?
21:35:02 <clokep> flo: For reference !fail on twitter.com/search doesn't get encoded.
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21:35:10 <clokep> So you're right, it should probably just do encodeURIComponent.
21:37:15 <clokep> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/8906 look better?
21:37:45 <clokep> (I'm not sure whether I should join them together first and then enocde them also?
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21:38:31 <flo> "track.split(",").map(encodeURIComponent)" seriously?
21:38:49 <clokep> ...?
21:39:49 <clokep> encodeURIComponent(track.split(",").join(" OR "))?
21:40:39 <clokep> But when I use the Twitter URL it doesn't encode the spaces.
21:42:20 <flo> encodeURIComponent(track).split(,) :-P
21:42:30 <flo> *","
21:43:07 <clokep> flo: , gets encoded into %2C
21:43:31 <flo> ah
21:43:50 <flo> sorry :-|
21:44:09 <clokep> It's OK. That's why I was avoiding doing it that way.
21:44:22 <flo> what I had in mind was basically track.replace(/#/g, "%<whatever>") so there wasn't any problem with the comma in my mind
21:44:48 <clokep> Ah, OK. :)
22:10:52 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1121 on bug 1218.
22:10:53 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1122 on bug 1218.
22:10:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1218 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Search API queries need some escaping
22:30:55 <GeekShadow> hello
22:31:15 <GeekShadow> telepathy is supporting msn/xmpp : 
22:31:18 <GeekShadow> http://blogs.fsfe.org/drdanz/?p=632
22:34:21 <clokep> OK?
22:37:06 <flo> I'm going to push the patch from bug 1017 to see if it helps you Windows users :-P
22:37:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1017 cri, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Shutdown crash [@ purple_blist_node_set_ui_data ]
22:40:54 <clokep> :)
22:42:32 <flo> I'm not sure if I should push your latest patch without trying it, or if I should wait and take the time to attempt to break it :-P
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22:47:00 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/6daa8d47806e - Florian Quèze - Backport the fix from bug 704866 (Mac top crasher when using the application menu).
22:47:01 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/80043d7ec774 - Florian Quèze - Update libpurple from version 2.10.0 to 2.10.1.
22:47:02 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/be416e3b6a3f - Florian Quèze - Bug 1017 - Avoid shutdown crash when some JS code holds a reference to a purpleAccountBuddy instance after libpurple is uninitialized.
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22:51:25 <flo> ah, we mid-aired
22:52:30 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1017 to FIXED.
22:52:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1017 cri, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Shutdown crash [@ purple_blist_node_set_ui_data ]
22:52:58 <flo> Good evening/night :)
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22:55:25 <instant-buildbot> build #210 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/210
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