#instantbird log on 01 11 2012

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01:49:28 <clokep> instantbot: uuid
01:49:29 <instantbot> 5ee4e023-8440-4fa2-8648-de3668973bca (/msg instantbot cid for CID form)
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02:06:30 <clokep> instantbot: uuid
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02:07:17 <EionRobb> which type of uuid does it generate?
02:13:53 <clokep> I think it's the same type that uuidgen generates?
02:14:35 <clokep> Which I'm realizing just now I could use instead....:p
02:14:39 <clokep> I do have a shell open haha.
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10:16:21 <Even1> instant-buildbot: help
10:16:21 <instant-buildbot> Get help on what? (try 'help <foo>', or 'commands' for a command list)
10:16:36 <Even1> instant-buildbot: help commands
10:16:36 <instant-buildbot> Usage: commands - List available commands
10:16:45 <Even1> instant-buildbot: commands
10:16:46 <instant-buildbot> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, mute, notify, source, status, stop, unmute, version, watch
10:16:58 <Even1> instant-buildbot: last
10:16:58 <instant-buildbot> last build [linux-nightly-default]: 6h41m58s ago: build successful
10:16:59 <instant-buildbot> last build [linux-onCommit]: 91h23m24s ago: build successful
10:16:59 <instant-buildbot> last build [macosx-nightly-default]: 3h40m09s ago: build successful
10:16:59 <instant-buildbot> last build [macosx-onCommit]: 60h02m38s ago: build successful
10:16:59 <instant-buildbot> last build [win32-nightly-default]: 4h56m41s ago: build successful
10:16:59 <instant-buildbot> last build [win32-onCommit]: 178h33m27s ago: failed shell
10:17:38 <Even1> instant-buildbot: status
10:17:39 <instant-buildbot> linux-nightly-default: idle, last build 6h42m38s ago: build successful
10:17:39 <instant-buildbot> linux-onCommit: idle, last build 91h24m04s ago: build successful
10:17:39 <instant-buildbot> macosx-nightly-default: offline
10:17:39 <instant-buildbot> macosx-onCommit: offline
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10:17:39 <instant-buildbot> win32-onCommit: idle, last build 178h34m07s ago: failed shell
10:18:11 <Even1> Looks fun :)
10:18:49 <Even1> instant-buildbot: hello
10:18:50 <instant-buildbot> yes?
10:18:54 <Even1> :P
10:18:56 <Even1> Ok :)
10:18:58 <Even1> Ca sert à rien :D
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10:21:55 <Even1> instant-buildbot: status
10:21:55 <instant-buildbot> linux-nightly-default: idle, last build 6h46m54s ago: build successful
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10:22:28 <Even1> Do you like this flo?
10:22:39 <Even1> I recall you were looking forward something like this ^^
10:22:49 <Even1> Should also notify people about build status.
10:25:02 <flo> instant-buildbot: help dance
10:25:02 <instant-buildbot> No usage info for 'dance'
10:25:06 <flo> :-S
10:25:11 <flo> instant-buildbot: help force
10:25:12 <instant-buildbot> Usage: force build [--branch=branch] [--revision=revision] [--props=prop1=val1,prop2=val2...] <which> <reason> - Force a build
10:25:13 <Even1> lol
10:25:16 <Even1> instant-buildbot: DANCE
10:25:17 <instant-buildbot> <(^.^<)
10:25:18 <instant-buildbot> <(^.^)>
10:25:19 <instant-buildbot> (>^.^)>
10:25:19 <instant-buildbot> (7^.^)7
10:25:21 <instant-buildbot> (>^.^<)
10:25:24 <Even1> Y a pas bsoin d'unusage pour ça :P
10:25:37 <flo> Even1: you still need a translator though :-P
10:25:49 <Even1> Somehow...
10:26:03 <Even1> force is locked
10:26:08 <Even1> you should not be able to use it
10:26:41 <flo> couldn't we unlock it for operators?
10:26:41 <Even1> instant-buildbot: force build win32-nightly-default
10:26:42 <instant-buildbot> builder control is not enabled
10:26:53 <Even1> ok, this looks good :)
10:27:10 <Even1> flo: I did'nnt found any options like this, this is a shame
10:27:18 <Even1> looks like either anyone can use it or noone
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10:28:26 <Even1> would be great if you could auto voice instant-buildbot :)
10:30:34 <flo> Even1: if I kick it, will it come back?
10:35:52 <Even1> you can try ^^
10:35:55 <Even1> I really don't know
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10:36:19 <Even1> DOn't looks like it will :)
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10:37:11 <Even1> k :)
10:37:11 <flo> :)
10:37:16 <Even1> I restarted bb and here it is :)
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11:18:10 <clokep> More bots to play with?! :)
11:18:25 <clokep> (Also the name makes it sound like it'll instantly build things. ;))
11:24:00 <flo> well, it will instantly *start* building Instantbird ;)
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11:31:06 <clokep> :) It'll announce changes too I assume?
11:31:17 <guest> hey all :)
11:31:37 <clokep> Hello guest.
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11:36:59 <flo> clokep: I hope so. I guess we will know soon :)
11:40:11 <clokep> I started looking at the purple request API last night.
11:40:55 <clokep> Makes me alternate between wanting to smack people and bash my head against a wall.
11:41:26 <flo> that API is plain wrong ;)
11:41:51 <clokep> Do you have any ideas of a better one though?
11:42:02 <clokep> I find it very hard to think of a different API after just reading someone elses API. :_/
11:42:04 <flo> it lets the prpls send things to the UI that the UI can't handle in any reasonable way because the requests are generic (based on the type of data rather than on how the user is expected to behave with them)
11:42:20 <flo> clokep: just removing that API completely would be better.
11:42:27 <flo> clokep: that's the reason why Instantbird doesn't implement it. :)
11:42:49 <flo> each specific use case should have an API related to that use case
11:42:59 <flo> the prpls shouldn't request a string, but instead an invitation message
11:43:00 <flo> etc...
11:43:15 <clokep> flo: So you mean instead of something like "request_random_fields" which includes an image and a text field, it should specifically be "request_captcha"
11:43:20 <clokep> Ah OK. :)
11:44:22 <flo> it's difficult to think of a good API for the captcha situation because a captcha is a misfeature in itself.
11:44:55 <clokep> Right.
11:44:58 <flo> by the way, is there any other use case for the request image API?
11:45:11 <clokep> I don't know.
11:45:19 <flo> lxr is our friend :)
11:45:30 <clokep> I don't think it was used in other places.
11:46:43 <clokep> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/search?string=PURPLE_REQUEST_FIELD_IMAGE both gg and qq request images.
11:46:52 <clokep> gg is a "token_img"
11:47:24 <clokep> Which is also a captch athe comment says. :)
11:47:46 <flo> if it isn't used for anything else, it's a case of premature abstraction ;)
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11:48:41 <clokep> That sounds like an awful lot of stuff in libpurple.
11:49:03 <flo> and you haven't looked at gloda...
11:49:15 <clokep> Is that premature abstraction too? :P
11:49:32 <flo> lots of pointless abstractions everywhere. But the things that I really need to change are hardcoded :-P.
11:50:15 <clokep> Oh, I thought about something when I couldn't sleep the other night...do we ever plan to combine logs based on merged contacts? Was curious if that's on your todo list as near term or just something we need to do eventually?
11:50:28 <flo> well, not really hardcoded in a blocking way: the things needed for email are in the core files, mixed with the core logic, but it's possible to add more stuff as add-ons. It's extensible :)
11:50:44 <flo> what does that mean?
11:50:50 <clokep> Ah, that's good. :) I'd imagine it's very email centric.
11:51:44 <flo> when you click "Show logs" on a contact, it already shows the logs for all the buddies of that contact.
11:51:55 <clokep> Oh it does that already. :) Haha.
11:51:58 <clokep> My bad.
11:52:02 <clokep> Just realized that.
11:55:35 <flo> ok, lunch time
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12:42:05 * clokep_work is wondering if just crafting a special request.h for QQ that directly calls a prplIRequestCaptcha would be acceptable.
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12:47:22 <flo> clokep: if you are expecting to call an XPCOM API from a libpurple prpl, there's something wrong in your design ;)
12:47:50 <flo> you need either an uiop or a libpurple signal to go from libpurple to purplexpcom
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12:58:55 <clokep_work> flo: I meant registering a UI OP but only caring about it for QQ somehow (so it could be tailored to it).
13:01:41 <clokep_work> (Tailoring it so it doesn't need to implement the whole purple_request API)
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13:09:40 <go8765> why i cant find fresh .deb of instandbird?
13:13:16 <clokep_work> go8765: We don't provide .deb, if you're trying to get it from your distro, I don't think we havee any maintainers for distros right now.
13:16:10 <go8765> clokep_work: can i make .deb myselwe with archive from your site?
13:16:51 <clokep_work> "can" as in would we allow it or "can" as in "is it possible"?
13:16:57 <go8765> *myself
13:16:58 <clokep_work> I don't know the ansewr to the second one. :-D
13:18:21 <go8765> clokep_work: english is not my native. sorry for bed english ^):0
13:22:42 <clokep_work> It's OK. :) I'm unsure of your question though.
13:22:58 <clokep_work> I'm not sure it's possible to make a .deb from our archive, if it is; go ahead and do it! :)
13:23:03 <clokep_work> Even or flo would probably know more info.
13:23:42 <go8765> ok.thanks
13:24:56 <go8765> clokep_work: why when i run it - i have this message : 
13:24:58 <go8765> instantbird Could not find compatible GRE between version 2.0 and 2.0.0.*.
13:25:24 <go8765> it is becouse i use old version instandbird?
13:25:40 <clokep_work> What are you running?
13:26:22 <clokep_work> Which file?
13:27:07 <go8765> clokep_work: i run ubuntu version of instandbird from repos
13:27:22 <clokep_work> The version of Instantbird in the repo is super old.
13:27:24 <clokep_work> I think.
13:27:43 <clokep_work> You can just unpack the archive on instantbird.com and ./instantbird
13:28:16 <go8765> :) 1.03
13:29:08 <go8765> i know. thanks)
13:34:10 <clokep_work> Does that work? :)
13:35:04 <go8765> i dont download it now. only in progress
13:36:02 <go8765> how you find maintainers for distros ?
13:36:55 <clokep_work> People volunteer to do it.
13:37:05 <clokep_work> We used to have one for Ubuntu, but he got too busy.
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13:41:10 <go8765> clokep_work: if I had enough knowledge in this area, I would like to try)
13:42:17 <clokep_work> go8765: Great. :) I have no idea how involved it is. :-/
13:43:32 <go8765> but unfortunately I do not have
13:43:45 <go8765> clokep_work: what you mean in your last message?
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13:44:39 <go8765> clokep_work: you said tha you dont know is it hart to make debs?)
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13:45:49 <clokep_work> Yes.
13:46:00 <clokep_work> Or what's invovled in getting it into the Ubuntu repository.
13:47:47 <go8765> clokep_work: what os you use?
13:48:35 <clokep_work> Windows 7.
13:49:18 <go8765> :)
13:54:49 <deOmega1> good morning.  Wishing you guys at IB the best for the New Year
13:55:03 <clokep_work> You too deOmega1! Hope you had a good holiday. :)
13:55:22 <deOmega1> clokep_work: yes it was.  Thank you
13:56:30 <deOmega1> I came on to ask a question regarding a bug I filed.   Does anyone have anyone that  replies to them in  any different color font than  the default?
13:56:44 <deOmega1> If so,  has  those colore been coming through lately?
13:57:06 <deOmega1> have those colors been coming through lately?
13:59:01 <clokep_work> I think all my friends use black text. :-/ I'm not sure though.
13:59:12 <flo> deOmega1: hello (happy new year! :))
13:59:19 <flo> haven't I replied in that bug?
13:59:25 <clokep_work> What bug # is this?
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13:59:59 <deOmega1> btw, I like the do not disturb addon by flo.    Any thoughts to enhancing it to  maybe a silence mode or something like that,  to where people can still see you as available to communicate with you, but the messages are just parked in the  buddy list window until you are ready to  retrieve them?
14:00:03 <flo> bug 1231
14:00:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1231 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, 'Display Formatting of incoming messages', does not seem to work.
14:00:18 <deOmega1> flo: Thank you
14:00:20 <flo> ouch, it seems I wrote an answer and forgot to hit "save changes" :(
14:01:05 <flo> deOmega1: is that bug only with Google Talk?
14:01:17 <flo> deOmega1: or do you have the same issue with other protocols?
14:02:00 <deOmega1> You kow.. maybe it is just googletalk.  I have been moving away from the othe rprotocls and asking folks to switch to googletalk, because i get  too much spam on those
14:02:50 <deOmega1> come to think f it, the last time i signed into msn, the spam text was in pink, so I suppose it is just googletalk
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14:05:24 <deOmega1> hmm. is JS-XMPP. something new? because I used to get that sometime back over google talk
14:05:41 <deOmega1> get the color  text
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14:06:37 <clokep_work> Yes.
14:06:54 <deOmega1> ah!  Great.  Thanks
14:07:47 <deOmega1> I have two individuals that claim to  change their font color based on their moods. ha!    This is not critical of course, but just wanted to  share 
14:08:19 <flo> deOmega1: and they are upset if you talk to them while they don't have the right-color mood? :)
14:08:34 <deOmega1> haha
14:08:54 <deOmega1> naah, i  almost  never initiate messages
14:09:36 <flo> the message color wouldn't be visible until they have replied at least once anyway ;)
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14:09:59 <deOmega1> Itlol
14:10:42 <deOmega1> flo, what do you think of the idea regarding  your do not disturb addon
14:10:47 * flo is looking for a screenshot of Instantbird 0.2's buddy list
14:11:47 <flo> deOmega1: not much. That add-on was meant as a demonstration of the power of the interruption manager feature we introduced recently. I don't intend to add more feature to it. And I don't use it myself.
14:12:53 <deOmega1> OK.  I like it except I hate to  change  the status to  unavailable, because that shoudl tell folks to leave me alone really
14:13:03 <clokep_work> That's the point. :)
14:13:05 <flo> deOmega1: + it seems what you are asking would be easier to do as a completely separate add-on. Adding options makes the code mode difficult to understand
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14:13:37 <flo> *more
14:14:05 <deOmega1> ok, thank you
14:14:22 <flo> if you just want to prevent the sounds and prevent the conversations from opening, that's probably a less-than-10-lines-of-code add-on ;)
14:15:10 <flo> the only bit that isn't completely trivial in the current dnd add-on is reopening automatically the conversations when you are no longer unavailable.
14:16:11 <deOmega1> I do not mind that aspect ..  i am fine going to the buuddy list and retrieving them individually
14:16:17 <flo> wow, 0.2 feels so far away when looking at the screenshots: http://instantbird.com/press-images-0.2.html
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14:19:20 <deOmega1> ah, the addon could be something like.. private mode... no one sees a status change on their end, but   switching to that mode,  sends all new messages to the   buddy list.   
14:19:36 <deOmega1> Anyway, have agreat day.. and year guys.
14:20:58 <flo> deOmega1: what are you trying to achieve with this?
14:20:59 <clokep_work> flo: It definitely has come a long way from there. :)
14:21:23 <flo> clokep_work: looking at screenshots of 0.1.* versions is even more fun :)
14:23:15 <clokep_work> flo: Ah-ha! :) I still want to update the look of unread messages. ;) But I'm too lazy to look up the CSS.
14:23:19 <clokep_work> Bah I need to restart again.
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14:23:32 <flo> update the look of unread messages?
14:25:21 <deOmega1> flo:  I am looking for the option of having less interruptions even though  in regular chat mode.  Maybe  I am just too moody :).  
14:25:40 <flo> or interrupted too frequently
14:25:57 <flo> I'm just wondering how you will know there are new messages if you remove the interruptions while you are available
14:28:33 <deOmega1> i would check periodically or I may even do something I have not been doing.  Keeping my buddy list in  constant view.
14:29:12 <flo> wouldn't that be more annoying?
14:29:19 <flo> or wouldn't you forget some messages?
14:29:42 <flo> do you currently have sounds enabled?
14:32:08 <deOmega1> i do not have sound enabled
14:33:05 <deOmega1> I am not sure it would be more annoying.. if it is, i would just move  the window out of view
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14:34:36 <flo> deOmega1: what I wanted to do for me (and have never actually implemented) was to use the dnd add-on in combination with a "focus helper" add-on, that would set me to unavailable for 20 or 30 minutes, and then set me back to available until I tell it again that I need to focus.
14:35:01 <flo> this way, all interruptions would be grouped, so that I'm never interrupted more than once or twice an hour
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14:35:36 <deOmega1> but hard to move active conversations out of view, while other messages popping in or .. and  they can be distracting too
14:35:38 <deOmega1> hmmm
14:36:04 <deOmega1> flo: hmmm
14:37:30 <deOmega1> I have to wrap my brain around that concept
14:38:40 <deOmega1> But I do know that ANy improvement would be most welcome
14:39:36 <flo> that focus helper add-on would also put on hold all existing conversations, and hide the contacts window, so that Instantbird is actually out of view, and queuing all notifications
14:40:38 <deOmega1> but often times, my focus is with  an individual over messenger
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14:42:59 <deOmega1> would it affect the active conversation I am in?  Man, i really can only handle one at a time to be honest.
14:44:45 <flo> maybe what you are asking for is a "wait in line, please" add-on queuing conversations, and opening the next one only once you have closed the previous tab
14:46:28 <flo> I think that would typically be helpful for people handling support requests, and not able to threat more than N people at once (N depending on the multi tasking ability of the respondent and of the typing speed of the requesters)
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14:50:17 <deOmega1> That sounds  really ideal
14:50:47 <deOmega1> I am just horrible on handling multiple chats, but it is a necessary pain for me
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14:52:09 <flo> the add-on could auto-reply to people, telling them "there are currently N people waiting before you"
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14:58:04 <deOmega1> flo: haha, I know a few individuals that THAt would send crawling up the wall.. including my wife ha!
14:58:51 <flo> deOmega1: of course, that add-on may need exceptions for a few "special" people. The boss? The wife? ...
14:59:07 <deOmega1> nice
14:59:23 <deOmega1> and we can  customize the message.... like,  say   be right with you
14:59:34 <flo> or more generally, people who are known to not interrupt you during your work time without a very good reason
14:59:37 <deOmega1> yes, be right there or be right with you
14:59:56 <flo> no message is needed at all if these special contacts aren't queued
14:59:57 <deOmega1> or even one moment please
15:00:09 <deOmega1> ok
15:02:00 <deOmega1> I definitely welcome something of teh sort
15:02:17 <deOmega1> ir as simple as dnd  that does not  require me to show someone a statuschange
15:02:28 <flo> I don't have time to work on that add-on, but if you can convince something to work on it, we will help for the implementation details ;)
15:02:54 <flo> *someone
15:03:35 <deOmega1> hmm,   maybe i can try. 
15:03:56 <deOmega1> where do you think is agod place for me to learn how to make a code as simple as that?
15:04:02 <deOmega1> liek atutorial
15:04:06 <deOmega1> a tutorial
15:04:37 <deOmega1> words like making a container for the addon etc, comes to mind, and that seems  close to magical to me.
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15:05:09 <flo> the easiest way to start is probably to read similar code
15:05:14 <flo> try to understand
15:05:32 <flo> then start changing details in that code and see how that changes the result, to confirm that your understanding was right
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15:06:51 <deOmega1> when you are making an addon... as i do you  have to keep adding it to the platrofm and connect,  over and over to know if it works?
15:07:29 <flo> "keep adding it to the platrofm" hmm?
15:07:38 <deOmega1> I will use  your  DNd addon and see what it has.
15:07:49 <deOmega1> keep installing it to IB, connect, see if it c works
15:08:38 <flo> there are ways to make Instantbird use the code directly without packaging and installing it
15:08:54 <flo> so we just restart Ib each time we want to see the effect of changes
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15:11:02 <deOmega1> OK, thank you
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15:36:22 <clokep_work> You can also ask questions deOmega1 if you don't understand particular lines, etc. ;)
15:39:35 <deOmega1> clokep_work: thank you :)
15:43:48 <clokep_work> Of course.
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17:09:31 <mib_gqnl6n> ??
17:10:07 <mib_gqnl6n> what is best?  instantbird o pidgin?
17:10:25 <flo> mib_gqnl6n: http://blog.instantbird.org/2011/07/why-should-i-switch-from-pidgin/
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17:12:07 <mib_gqnl6n> great!
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17:42:55 <mib_gqnl6n> Why I can not connect to gtalk?
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17:44:43 <clokep_work> mib_gqnl6n: We would need to know moreinformation than that.
17:45:23 <diogo> I said that was occurring an problem with gtalk. Connect with jabber old SSL
17:46:22 <mib_gqnl6n> yes!, logged in that option, thanks.
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18:02:49 <mib_gqnl6n> How I can install add-ons?
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18:04:04 <mib_gqnl6n> How I can install plugins for windows version?
18:06:14 <clokep_work> mib_gqnl6n: Drag and drop from the addons.instantbird.org onto the add-ons manager.
18:06:21 <clokep_work> Or download them and then drag & drop the files.
18:06:31 <clokep_work> Or click "install addons" and browse to the file.
18:13:34 <mib_gqnl6n> excelent!
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18:19:34 <diogo> Hey flo, do you received my email to open pt-BR repo?
18:20:03 <flo> yes...
18:20:48 <clokep_work> diogo: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/120106/#m108
18:20:52 <diogo> Good!
18:21:25 <diogo> Sorry... I'll wait
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19:47:29 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1232 filed by diogo.mvieira@gmail.com.
19:47:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1232 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Google Talk (gtalk) account default configuration doesn't work
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19:52:14 <clokep_work> The link in that bug is insanely old. Fairly certain they support STARTTLS now, which is what our configuration is.
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19:57:12 <diogo> version 1.2 it's alright now? 
19:59:08 <clokep_work> Version 1.2 isn't released yet.
20:02:08 <clokep_work> Just nightly builds right now.
20:03:59 <aleth> instant-buildbot: help
20:03:59 <instant-buildbot> Get help on what? (try 'help <foo>', or 'commands' for a command list)
20:04:19 <aleth> instant-buildbot: commands
20:04:20 <instant-buildbot> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, mute, notify, source, status, stop, unmute, version, watch
20:04:25 <Mook_as> oh, there's a buildbot bot here?
20:04:29 <aleth> dance?
20:04:33 <Mook_as> instant-buildbot: status
20:04:33 <instant-buildbot> linux-nightly-default: idle, last build 16h29m44s ago: build successful
20:04:34 <instant-buildbot> linux-onCommit: idle, last build 101h11m10s ago: build successful
20:04:34 <instant-buildbot> macosx-nightly-default: offline
20:04:35 <instant-buildbot> macosx-onCommit: offline
20:04:35 <instant-buildbot> win32-nightly-default: idle, last build 14h44m27s ago: build successful
20:04:35 <instant-buildbot> win32-onCommit: idle, last build 188h21m13s ago: failed shell
20:04:47 <aleth> must be a new feature :)
20:04:50 <Mook_as> instant-buildbot: destroy aleth
20:04:50 <instant-buildbot> Something bad happened (see logs): <type 'exceptions.AttributeError'>
20:04:55 <aleth> heh
20:04:58 <Mook_as> haha
20:05:30 <clokep_work> instant-buildbot: dance
20:05:31 <instant-buildbot> <(^.^<)
20:05:32 <instant-buildbot> <(^.^)>
20:05:33 <Mook_as> buildbot ircbots... fun :D (it probably trigger builds, but let's not do that unless we have a good reason)
20:05:33 <instant-buildbot> (>^.^)>
20:05:33 <instant-buildbot> (7^.^)7
20:05:35 <instant-buildbot> (>^.^<)
20:05:51 <clokep_work> The only bad thing now is I can't type ins<tab> for instantbot. ;)
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20:08:27 <clokep_work> Oops. :(
20:08:35 <deOmega1> haha, I am not very optimistic about my ability to make that addon.  will assign some time to that curve
20:09:18 <aleth> deOmega1: you might find the MDN pages on JavaScript useful too
20:09:55 <deOmega1> aleth: MDN?
20:10:15 <deOmega1> ok found it
20:10:22 <deOmega1> googled it
20:10:30 <aleth> deOmega1: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/
20:10:50 <deOmega1> thank you
20:11:37 <aleth> deOmega1: and of course https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Creating_Extensions if you haven't seen it yet
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20:11:54 <deOmega1> ok, thank you again
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20:16:14 <aleth> Is it just me or is this partially in Russian? https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Guide
20:19:04 <Mook_as> hah, it's something cyrillic at least
20:19:34 <aleth> Wonder which moz channel that should be mentioned in
20:20:32 <aleth> It doesn't seem to be a change listed in the page history
20:20:49 <Mook_as> #devmo I think?
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20:22:43 <aleth> OK
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22:11:00 <deOmega1> in a previous discussion,  I was told how to remove status messages in a message style
22:11:20 <deOmega1> this is the content of the message style i was am using
22:11:22 <deOmega1> http://pastebin.com/Tfbqm6tM
22:12:06 <deOmega1> these were the instructions:  Just delete everything apart from the opening/closing div tags in Status.html and NextStatus.html
22:12:59 <deOmega1> the opening div tag i suppose would be  line 2?
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22:14:12 <deOmega1> so i would delete everything inclusively, line 3-9 or lines 3-13
22:16:03 <aleth> Without knowing more, I guess I would try 1-12 or 2-11
22:16:14 <deOmega1> spent some time today trying to  learn to create an extension.  God Bless you  guys.  I have a pounding headache...  jargon is really an incredible divider.
22:16:23 <aleth> Btw this file is HTML
22:17:01 <aleth> MDN also has a HTML section, but as webpages are in HTML, there are many introductions out there
22:17:05 <deOmega1> correct
22:17:27 <aleth> so for example https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML/Element/div
22:17:32 <deOmega1> on the  html aspect
22:17:41 * Tobin is now known as BinaryOutcast
22:19:08 <aleth> What you have in that file are nested div tags (ie. a <div> ... </div> that itself contains divs...)
22:20:31 <deOmega1> aleth: Thank you very much again  Ah,  makes sense, because i did one before that was not this complicated
22:22:09 <deOmega1> I am using or working on this message style... https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/29
22:22:26 <deOmega1> I lik eit a lot, because it actually  dims read messages etc etc
22:22:40 <deOmega1> seems to do a lot that IB is designed to do.
22:22:43 <aleth> Ah, one of the autoconverted ones
22:23:10 <aleth> If you end up polishing it you can submit an improved version ;)
22:23:10 <deOmega1> I had to tweak it to make the avatars bigger...
22:23:49 <deOmega1> I actually thought of doing that, but would i need  any special permission?
22:24:20 <aleth> Talk to Even when you are ready
22:24:36 <deOmega1> the only downside on this style, is that it does not have the users names anywhere in it
22:25:05 <aleth> I suspect if you want to delete status messages (rather than fold them) then you would have to make that optional (a variant)
22:25:30 <aleth> (if you wanted to submit it as an update of the style, that is)
22:25:36 <deOmega1> like in here,  i have to know that you are speaking i have to doubleclick your name ha! but i do not use it for 
22:25:41 <deOmega1> yeah, i woudl do it as a variant
22:26:09 <deOmega1> it is  then not a very godo option for multiparty chat,  but excellent in  the  regular
22:26:09 <aleth> A lot of the autoconverted styles do not support MUCs well as those have somewhat IB-specific features
22:26:35 <aleth> It would be great if you could improve the way it looks for MUCs
22:26:48 <aleth> Then ultimately it might lose the 'experimental' tag ;)
22:27:36 <deOmega1> that woud  mean just  allowing it to show the  name of the participants. 
22:27:58 <aleth> Maybe show them on hover?
22:28:03 <deOmega1> You never know, will keep working on it, becauseit is really my fav at the moment
22:28:06 <aleth> Or use the nick colours somehow?
22:28:30 <deOmega1> You really think very highly of me ha!
22:28:48 <aleth> Those are all things you can "look up" how to do by looking at other message styles
22:29:07 <deOmega1> I thought aboutthat for sure
22:29:24 <deOmega1> Will try and take my time on this
22:29:56 <deOmega1> but i  hope that  removing the things  i did in  that pastbin example i gave you, does not  turn off aany features
22:30:06 <deOmega1> besides status changes
22:30:34 <aleth> Until you understand the code, you won't know for sure
22:31:50 <aleth> But generally speaking, Status.html is the html that is inserted in the conversation window html to display a status message, so it should not affect anything beyond that (if there are no errors in it at least) 
22:32:00 <aleth> Message styles are mainly html and css, so it's not like you are learning anything that isn't useful for other things too...
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22:36:37 <deOmega1> thank you
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23:52:49 <deOmega1> hmm, not sure many would desire a message style that has no status change notifications :)
23:53:19 <deOmega1> BUt..  I have to admit I like it.  Maybe i could implement the Time bubbles code :)