#instantbird log on 11 14 2011

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08:59:53 <Mic> hi
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10:53:00 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 995 to bug 1071.
10:53:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071 enh, --, ---, nobody, ASSI, Improve look of contact drop target
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14:04:02 <AschV> Hello.
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14:41:13 <Mic|web> Hi
14:41:20 <Mic|web> Hello AschV
14:42:09 <AschV> Hello web.
14:44:27 * Mic|web is now known as Mic
14:45:04 * Mic is now known as Mic|web
14:45:22 <Mic|web> hmm ... seems I can't remember my IRC password  ;)
14:47:31 <AschV> LoLz
14:47:40 <AschV> I am not registered in first place.
14:49:58 <Mic|web> Is there something I can help you with, btw? Or are you just curious what things are going on here? ;)
14:50:37 <AschV> Nope, just here.
14:50:51 <Mic|web> I guess you like Instantbird?
14:50:57 <AschV> Yes.
14:51:36 <Mic|web> Would you mind if I ask what you like best and what you like the least about it?
14:51:56 <Mic|web> It would help us to see how we can improve Instantbird :)
14:51:59 <AschV> Mixed bag, cannot answer that question yet.
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15:36:31 <Mic|web> Note to myself: never lxr "ToDo" again ;)
15:41:48 <clokep_work> Mic|web: Check out XXX too. ;)
15:42:02 <clokep_work> Also I love that new image you posted.
15:49:40 <Mic|web> Most of it isn't in our code though ..
15:50:52 <aleth> Mic|web: Yes, that's a nice screenshot. Is that simply the about:blank icon?
15:50:59 <Mic|web> Yes, I couldn
15:51:20 <Mic|web> I couldn't find it in Fx source though and copy/pasted it from a screenshot ;)
15:51:58 <Mic|web> The label is aligned flush left now, like the buddies. Seemed better
15:52:01 <clokep_work> Mic|web: It's probably not an actual image in the source and is pretty generated.
15:54:11 <aleth> Mic|web: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648668
15:55:15 <aleth> not that you need it now ;)
15:56:15 <Mic|web> Thanks :)
15:57:08 <aleth> Looks like it's generated so it works on dark tabs too etc
15:59:59 <Mic|web> I'll prepare the etherpad by filling in the checked-in changes of last week if someone's interested. I might not be there at the time of the meeting though.
16:01:25 <clokep_work> Sounds like no one can attend. ;)
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16:14:16 <Mic|web> I'll leave "what are we working on now"/"next"/.. to you, guys.
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16:27:01 <Mic|web> clokep_work: I like the hummingbird idea for an icon btw
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19:11:27 <debor> Hello, is it possible to set up jabber icq gateway in ib?
19:16:01 <clokep_work> debor: You should just be able to connect to the Jabber server, no?
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19:18:36 <aleth> clokep_work: He might be asking about Jabber transports. libpurple supports this, I don't know about IB though.
19:19:35 <aleth> debor: If you have an ICQ account, why not use it directly? Why do you need a gateway?
19:19:43 <clokep_work> Probably a firewall.
19:19:53 <clokep_work> What's different about a Jabber transport as opposed to a normal Jabber server?
19:21:31 <aleth> Some Jabber servers offer transports (that map other networks onto XMPP)
19:23:03 <instantbot> New Websites - bugzilla.instantbird.org (Bugzilla) bug 1167 filed by raynaudquentin@gmail.com.
19:23:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1167 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, Change the default preference for the "additional comments" textarea of the site
19:23:24 <Even1> I thereby announce to everyone, we've got a new Buzilla :)
19:24:59 <Mook_as> \o/
19:25:17 <Mook_as> I don't know what that means concretely (new features? better security?), but \o/ anyway
19:25:17 <Even1> You're overreacting :)
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19:25:30 <Even1> New design, new features & better security.
19:25:44 <aleth> That's got to be good news :)
19:25:58 <Mook_as> this is IRC, I thought overreacting was the norm :p
19:26:02 <Even1> ^^
19:26:23 <Even1> Hope the changes are good.
19:26:46 <Even1> Took me a full day to compile all of bugzilla's dependencies.
19:26:53 <Even1> That ought to be worth it :P
19:27:33 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes, I understand that, but does it actually act any different?
19:27:55 <Even1> Well, just pick up the form to fill a new bug.
19:27:59 <clokep_work> Looks the same to me Even1. ;)
19:28:03 <Even1> You'll see it's very simplified.
19:28:15 <Even1> And you have a link to add the advanced fields.
19:28:20 <Even1> Colors are changed.
19:28:21 <Even1> Icons too :)
19:28:23 <aleth> And the textbox is resizeable (but maybe I just hadn't noticed that before)
19:28:23 <Even1> Well :P
19:28:47 <Even1> No, it's definitely new :)
19:28:59 <aleth> :)
19:29:13 <Even1> Well, should not make one hell of a difference.
19:29:18 <clokep_work> I think all textareas are resizable in Firefox.
19:29:21 <Even1> There are only some minor changes here and there :)
19:29:24 <clokep_work> Or maybe that's a Firefox 8 feature...
19:29:27 <aleth> clokep_work: It's a long time since I used a transport, but I think the issue is that you need to be able to register with them (e.g. pass them your login and password).
19:29:47 <Even1> clokep_work: depends on what extensions you have :)
19:29:51 <clokep_work> aleth: I see, I don't think we support that then.
19:29:52 <aleth> clokep_work: Once you are 'logged in' I suspect you are right and it's just another XMPP server
19:29:59 <clokep_work> Even1: I don't think so, I think it's by default.
19:31:23 <Even1> clokep_work: maybe
19:31:38 <Even1> clokep_work: I had an extension to do this at some point so I don't know if I'm still using it or if it's default :)
19:32:00 <aleth> I think it's default now too
19:32:28 <Even1> The textarea seems resizable on Chrome & Fx but not on IE.
19:32:32 <aleth> Though it might not apply to boxes that specify a fixed size
19:32:39 <Even1> On IE it becomes larger when you click on it.
19:32:40 <Even1> :)
19:32:52 <Even1> Not as useful :)
19:33:30 <Mook_as> I think the resizer is a firefox/chrome thing, and the biggerizing is a bugzilla thing?
19:33:51 <Even1> I still miss the "edit" button to correct all of my typing mistakes in my comments :)
19:34:11 <Even1> Maybe it is :)
19:34:53 <Even1> If you're used to mozilla's bugzilla, it's now the same so it might not look changed at all to you :P
19:35:09 <Even1> If you've got to Ib's bugzilla soon, the difference is not much but still...
19:35:12 <Even1> Pretty obvious ^^
19:35:30 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Yes, I agree.
19:35:46 <Even1> A good thing done.
19:35:56 <Even1> An update that goes smoothly is always appreciated :)
19:36:14 <aleth> :)
19:36:17 <aleth> Indeed
19:36:40 <Even1> It's not usual.
19:37:17 <Even1> I'm much more used to scenarios a lot more... stressing and full of cries of despair :P
19:37:29 <clokep_work> Even1: Where do you want to change the text input to?
19:37:32 <Even1> "Nothing is working anymore, I hate the guy that wrote that **** tools" and so on
19:37:35 <clokep_work> (I.e. that bug you just filed.)
19:37:58 <Even1> clokep_work: it's always on top, it would be so much better to have it at the only other possible position...
19:38:19 <Even1> (still, if you prefer it this way, you can always change the pref for yourself back)
19:38:25 <Even1> (but I don't believe it is a good default)
19:38:42 <aleth> Even1: I agree
19:39:06 <clokep_work> Ah, I like it on top. :)
19:39:26 <Even1> The default positioning should encourage the person to read the whole conversation before posting.
19:39:46 <Even1> I'm not saying it can be useful for let's say, power users, to have it on top.
19:39:52 <Even1> But I don't like it there for newbies.
19:39:54 <clokep_work> Top works better for me because I read them in my email. :-D
19:39:59 <clokep_work> Point taken.
19:40:06 <clokep_work> (Want to update lxr to mxr while you're at it? ;))
19:40:14 <Even1> (and for myself, I find it hard to refer to recent posts when they are at the opposite side of the page)
19:40:35 <aleth> Yes, it's the scrolling that is a pain
19:40:46 <Even1> ^^
19:41:56 <Even1> There is a pretty damn good "end" key on the keyboard to get straight to the end. So getting there to post is quick. In my PoV, being able to read last posts when writing is the best choice. But every position is good for a power user ^^
19:42:13 <Even1> (you can even put it in the middle if you like it there, I don't mind ^^)
19:42:44 <Even1> Or add a user defined css to have it at a fixed pos, always at the bottom of the screen (might be cool :))
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19:44:43 <Even1> There's something that scares me a lot lately.
19:45:15 <Even1> We are planning a big service migration to move the services from the old server (where stands all services right now except for AIO) to the new server (where is AIO).
19:45:54 <Even1> It is a pretty scary operation involving moving AIO back, backuping everything, reinstalling the new server with a new OS, deploying a lot of things on it.
19:46:01 <Even1> I'm not confortable with this (at all) :P
19:46:25 <aleth> Sounds tricky
19:46:26 <Even1> It's gonna be time consuming and risky.
19:46:57 <Even1> I'm pretty damn sure we'll achieve to get everything back and running. I'm not concerned about that part.
19:47:07 <Even1> It's more "and what if we forget something?"
19:47:27 <clokep_work> That's why we have the back ups? :)
19:47:31 <Even1> Let's say "the super power script that makes all the pain go away because it's automated".
19:47:33 <aleth> The first step with the backup should hopefully fix that :)
19:47:52 <Even1> yes, the point about backup is... You always forget to backup something :P
19:48:21 <Even1> You never know what exactly until you find out... too late and at your expense ^^
19:48:41 <Mook_as> these machines all live in datacenters?
19:48:47 <Even1> Yep.
19:48:54 <Even1> They do :)
19:49:00 <Even1> And the new one is a pretty damn good one :)
19:49:27 <Mook_as> okay, so trying to back up things by imaging the whole disk temporarily isn't going to work :p
19:49:30 <Even1> (2x4 cores Intel Xeon - 16Gb RAM if I remember well)
19:49:38 <Even1> GB
19:49:56 <Even1> Mook_as: might be rather tricky to do so :)
19:50:09 <Even1> Mook_as: but I already did something of the like on a production server
19:50:39 <Mook_as> let's just say I'm now very glad I just code, where I have the nice safety blanket of revision control :p
19:50:40 <Even1> Mook_as: the real hard part is... you want to stop everything during the time you do that and you send everythong ver the network... it implies a big service downtime
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19:51:16 <Even1> You thought I had the good part? :P
19:51:32 <Even1> "System Overlord" sounds pretty cool on paper.
19:51:38 <Even1> But it is only that :P
19:52:33 <Even1> It's totally uncool, long, boring, complex and I've always users satisfaction at stakes :)
19:54:02 <Mook_as> I'd just go with blog post saying "downtime in one week (or however long ahead)", and then just do it taking however long you need
19:54:15 <Mook_as> if people complain, tell them to give you money for a second sever :p
19:54:16 <aleth> Yes maximum potential for complaints and "invisible" if it just works :)
19:54:31 <Even1> Well, the problem is I'm an entrepreneur now and that I don't have a whole week straight to give to Ib.
19:54:36 <Even1> As much as I would love to :)
19:55:18 <Even1> Mook_as: third server, we do have 2 of them right now
19:55:32 <Even1> Mook_as: even if we should let down the old one once we're done with the migration
19:55:32 <Mook_as> right, whatever, just one more :p
19:55:43 <Even1> Mook_as: Means more work for me :P
19:55:48 <Mook_as> hah, true!
19:56:29 <Even1> And the first one that wouldn't agree with such a downtime is flo.
19:56:34 <Even1> I can't go against flo :P
19:57:13 <Even1> (and don't like too, he's pretty reasonable and I'm not, so... if we don't agree he is probably right :P)
19:57:20 <Even1> (don't tell him I've said that though :P)
19:57:52 <Even1> I'll go home soon.
19:57:55 <Even1> (still at work)
19:58:05 <Even1> 9pm is late enough for today
19:58:32 <Even1> Hope flo will drop by this evening :)
19:58:36 <clokep_work> Psh I'll be at work for hours still. ;)
19:58:56 <Even1> But how many hours have you been working for right now?
19:59:06 <clokep_work> Not as many as you. :)
19:59:23 <Even1> It has been 11 hours and a half for me that I got there :D
19:59:50 <Even1> See you later :)
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20:01:50 <Mook_as> hmm, I think flo reads the logs, so not telling him is hard :p
20:02:37 <clokep_work> Yes, he does. :)
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20:19:41 <Mic> Good evening/day
20:26:13 <Mic> Aww :) A new Bugzilla version, .. how cool :)
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21:26:08 <pvagner> Hello,
21:26:09 <pvagner> Is there an addon which can do reconnect? or some other way around it?
21:26:09 <pvagner> When I put my laptop into a stand by mode and turn it back on it looks it does not reconnect my accounts automatically. Even switching status to online doesn't seem to help.
21:27:00 <clokep_work> pvagner: There's some issues with telling when you come back from sleep. You should be able to set it to "offline" then back to "online.
21:27:21 <clokep_work> I've had trouble w/ this not working on recent nightlies but haven't been able to confirm that yet.
21:27:57 <pvagner> clokep_work: I'll try that next time IB disconnects. thx for the tip.
21:28:35 <clokep_work> You're welcome. :) Hope it works for you!
21:28:55 <Mic> This bug is soo annoying :(
21:29:15 <Mic> I almost get it everytime the computer goes to standby
21:30:06 <Mic> STR: "let this computer here go to standby"
21:30:09 <Mic> ;)
21:31:14 <Mic> Good night
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21:41:35 <pvagner> oops, I don't seem to be able to connect to the facebook chat. I'll see whether there is succh a bug in the bugzilla
21:44:15 <clokep_work> pvagner: Is there an error?
21:47:55 <pvagner> clokep_work: While adding an aaccount, I am unable to complete the last step of the account wizard. While I'm clicking the finnish button nothing happens.
21:48:19 <clokep_work> pvagner: Are there errors in the error console? Are you on a nightly?
21:48:21 <clokep_work> But please file a bug.
21:49:05 <pvagner> clokep_work: I'm on a nightly.
21:49:46 <pvagner> I can see the following in the error console, however I do have various xmpp and google talk account so I am not sure it's relevant...
21:49:47 <pvagner> Warning: Invalid value of presence <show/> attribute: online
21:49:47 <pvagner> Source File: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/raw-file/d9a296c543d9/purple/libpurple/protocols/jabber/jutil.c
21:49:47 <pvagner> Line: 704
21:49:47 <pvagner> Source Code:
21:49:47 <pvagner> jabber: jabber_buddy_show_get_state
21:51:31 <clokep_work> I doubt that's related.
21:51:47 <clokep_work> If you're on a nightly, I wonder if generating an account of override accounts is broken.
21:51:52 <clokep_work> Idk if that was tested or not.
21:52:18 <aleth> pvagner: It's not one of the two Facebook issues listed in the FAQ? (probably not, but just checking)
21:54:42 <pvagner> clokep_work: adding google talk account seems to be working fine.
21:55:00 <clokep_work> aleth: Those are when connecting an account, not when creating it.
21:55:24 <clokep_work> pvagner: Hmm. OK. It's possible some code is messed up in the Facebook one. I'll see if I can reproduce later though.
21:55:31 <clokep_work> (File a bug though! :))
21:56:31 <clokep_work> Anyway, time to go home. Bye.
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22:07:09 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 1168 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
22:07:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1168 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Error when message style looks for buddy icon (Regression)
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22:11:14 <flo> Good evening :)
22:13:47 <aleth> Welcome back :)
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22:20:55 <flo> It would be nice to put regressions caused by bug 759 as blocking it
22:20:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759 min, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Reorganize purplexpcom
22:21:56 <aleth> OK. I thought 'blocking' was for bugs without landed patches
22:22:21 <flo> uh
22:22:27 <flo> words are overloaded
22:22:47 <flo> I'm not talking about the whiteboard, but about the "blocks" field
22:23:09 <aleth> So that is to be taken to mean "blocks bug xx from being marked RESOLVED"
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22:24:21 <flo> more or less, yes. The meaning of that field is not totally clear (it depends a bit from one developer to another on bugzilla.mozilla.org), but it's definitely a way to ensure that we see that list of bugs when looking at the previous bug :)
22:26:03 <aleth> Yes, I thought the blocks field meant something stronger (i.e. you can't work on xx until you fix this)
22:26:49 <flo> that's usually what that field means before any patch has landed :)
22:27:13 <flo> but once something has landed, it's often used to track regressions (because there's no good field for that, and we really need to track regressions somewhere)
22:27:36 <aleth> Yes, in fact I was looking for a 'regression' related field the other day ;)
22:27:57 <aleth> Anyway, added it now
22:28:09 <flo> thanks! :)
22:29:54 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1167 to FIXED.
22:29:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1167 nor, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, Change the default preference for the "additional comments" textarea of the site
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22:33:13 <flo> Good night :)
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23:09:33 <GeekShadow> yo
23:10:05 <GeekShadow> is this possible easily to make links on irc people nicks ?
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