#instantbird log on 11 02 2011

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06:47:56 <vascom> Hi all. Why I can't compile instantbird 1.1 in Fedora? Log: http://koji.russianfedora.ru/koji/getfile?taskID=14763&name=build.log
06:49:15 <vascom> can you help me?
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08:01:50 <vascom> can anyone help me?
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10:11:45 <flo> vascom: your compilation failed with this error: "../../../../../../dist/system_wrappers/curl/types.h:3:29: fatal error: curl/types.h: No such file or directory"
10:12:44 <flo> so I would say you either miss a required build dependency, or you should disable crash reporting in the build configuration
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10:26:43 <vascom> flo: but configure not show any problem
10:27:24 <flo> vascom: I'm just telling you what failed in your compilation so that you can get it to build ;).
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10:28:01 <flo> if you can configure to be improved for this case, you'll need to file a bug at Mozilla, as it's the configure from Mozilla that should check that its crash reporter can be built
10:28:08 <flo> *if you want configure to be improved
10:28:12 <flo> (sorry)
10:28:38 <vascom> yes configure from mozilla
10:29:01 <vascom> I'll try bugreport to them
10:29:10 <vascom> flo: thanks
10:29:33 <flo> as I said, you may also want to just disable crash reporting
10:30:02 <flo> as it's useless anyway for builds that aren't from our servers (as the build symbols need to be on our servers for the crash reports to be readable)
10:30:09 <vascom> how disable it?
10:30:47 <flo> --disable-crashreporter
10:31:22 <flo> add this to the mozconfig that's used for your build: ac_add_options --disable-crashreporter
10:31:58 <flo> that file is at /builddir/build/BUILD/instantbird-1.1-src/mozconfig
10:32:40 <SM0TVI> flo: A quick question - is voice/video comms further down the pipeline?
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11:17:33 <flo> SM0TVI: what do you mean exactly by "further down the pipeline"?
11:17:54 <flo> we want to support it eventually, but nobody is currently actively working on this.
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12:02:24 <clokep_work> Gah the new gmail layout is horrible.
12:07:52 <aleth> Maybe it's a special for halloween...
12:10:42 <clokep_work> I don't think so.
12:10:56 <clokep_work> Supposedly I can make it more "compact" but I can't figure out how to. :(
12:13:43 <clokep_work> Bah I found it.
12:13:48 <clokep_work> Apparently there's two different sets of settings.
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12:42:28 <flo> hmm, so I guess I should avoid reloading my gmail tab? ;)
12:43:41 <clokep_work> It gives you a choice if you want to upgrade.
12:43:43 <clokep_work> I was dumb.
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12:45:54 <flo> you can't revert the update?
12:47:16 <flo> would anybody hate me if I replace the "js-protocol-plugin" category with an "im-protocol-plugin" category? (the goal would be to have all protocol plugins register with the core in the exact same way, including builtin libpurple protocols)
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13:08:30 <Mic> flo: this only means we'll need to change the category of existing protocols and override protocols in our manifests, if I'm not mistaken?
13:08:39 <flo> yes
13:09:16 <Mic> So it's a breaking change but I guess almost all protocol plugins out there are under our own control anyways?
13:09:50 <flo> that doesn't necessarily mean they are maintained though ;)
13:10:18 <flo> but I'm probably going to break existing js protocol plugins in several different ways anyway, as lots of purplexpcom interfaces are going to change
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13:13:11 <Mic> All at once sounds good then ;)
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13:16:27 <flo> it should probably become trivial to make protocol plugins restartless
13:16:28 <aleth> Will IB protocol plugins have a generic name too? "violet"? ;)
13:16:49 <flo> as they will be loaded only when there's an account configured for them, or when listing all the available protocols for the account wizard
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13:24:23 <Mic> flo: :)
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13:25:01 <Mic> aleth: what do you mean with a generic name like "violet"?
13:25:10 <flo> Mic: a color to replace "purple" ;)
13:29:44 <aleth> was not entirely serious :) the semi-serious part is that it is good if one can quickly distinguish libpurple dependent stuff from IB's independent plugins, but I'm sure that's part of this huge restructure already
13:30:26 <flo> libpurple dependent stuff is in purple/, libpurple independent stuff is in chat/
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13:38:05 <aleth> so for future reference, chat/ = protocol handling + independent protocols?
13:38:46 <flo> chat/ is the part we will share with Thunderbird. It's the core of an IM application based on Mozilla.
13:39:25 <aleth> got it :)
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14:02:26 <Mic> "14:38:49 - flo: chat/ is the part we will share with Thunderbird. It's the core of an IM application based on Mozilla." are we using this part directly of their repository then or will it be in both and somehow kept in sync ?
14:03:08 <flo> the former is what I want. The latter is a fallback ;)
14:05:01 <aleth> Will IB become more "officially" mozilla after this transition?
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14:05:58 <flo> aleth: we are not in a position to make official Mozilla decision. So I've unfortunately no answer to that question (only some hopes).
14:09:21 <Mic> I guess there might be one thing that wouldn't exactly be nice if becoming a Mozilla project.
14:09:50 <Mic> That is maybe having to use BMO ;)
14:10:01 <flo> why wouldn't that be nice?
14:10:27 <flo> another service we can stop maintaining looks like a great plus from my perspective :-D
14:10:39 <aleth> yes what's wrong with BMO?
14:10:49 <flo> a bit slow maybe?
14:11:01 <Mic> The mere size of it
14:11:04 <aleth> slower than instantbird bugzilla?
14:11:52 <Mic> That too
14:12:04 <aleth> not having to maintain it seems like a big win tho...
14:12:41 <Mic> Is Bugzilla so resource intensive (including maintenance work)?
14:13:24 <flo> compared to things like the add-ons website or the crash reporting infrastructure, bugzilla is a very little detail
14:13:31 <Mic> Ah, it's not really important btw
14:13:51 <Mic> I didn't want to start unnecessary discussions here.
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14:33:39 <Guido> hello,
14:33:39 <Guido> I just recogniced something again
14:34:25 <Guido> if to persons go online at the same time, than you see only one name, because the names are behind eachother
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14:54:08 <Mic> Guido: if you see alerts for people coming online, then you're using my Buddy Status extension, I guess
14:56:29 <Guido> okee, i instaled it with the messanger and thought only the sound was added by the addon ;-)
14:57:59 <Mic> This problem is known and it's bad. I'm currently trying a replacement for the alert system (the code that shows the alert windows) and it seems really good
14:59:37 <Guido> thats nice :-)
14:59:37 <Guido> i like the "silence mode" perhaps you could ad one more function. in the moment you can set al sound of or al on. perhaps a function to decide wich sounds you want. 
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15:00:54 <Guido> for example if i'm writing in this chat, i don't need a sound that here is an answer, but perhaps a sound for a message in another tab. perhaps soem are only interested in sounds of status change and other onlky in message sounds
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15:01:49 <Mic> The add-on only handles status changes of contacts, that is when someone comes online or signs off (or goes away, idle,..)
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15:02:09 <Mic> It does not change notifications and sounds when messages are received.
15:04:00 <Guido> i'm not sure, but i thougt the same problem, as i mentioned bevore happens if t peursens send a message at the same time or was it only messag and going online at the same time?
15:04:00 <Guido> than the idea would perhaps an idea for anothjer addon or a change in the program
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15:10:25 <Mic> Guido: check the options dialog, tab "General"
15:10:48 <Mic> There's a way to enable sounds for contact list events and for messages sent/received.
15:11:27 <flo> I'm not sure if that landed before or after the 1.1 release, but we currently have a pref for each specific sound
15:11:34 <Mic> If you need even more control (doesn't help with the active vs inactive tab problem though), you can look for messenger.options.playSounds on the advanced config editor
15:11:37 <flo> (they are hiden though)
15:12:29 <Mic> instantbot: asdf
15:12:30 * instantbot jkl
15:12:34 <Mic> lol ;)
15:13:11 <flo> Mic: is this something you taught him? :-D
15:13:32 <Mic> No, I only found out about this when I messaged him seconds ago to receive an answer
15:13:54 <Guido> is the window called "about:config"?
15:14:11 <Mic> Maybe no sounds when the window is focused and tab is active is a quite good idea
15:14:33 <flo> why?
15:15:00 <Guido> yes, thats what i want, but how to change? stil searching
15:15:41 <flo> I don't really see how the outgoing sound can happen if we disable sounds in focused conversations ;)
15:16:04 <Mic> You mean the sounds that tells you that you just did something - in case you didn't notice? ;)
15:16:06 <Mic> scnr
15:16:13 <flo> exactly!
15:16:23 <flo> the sound that confirms if I've correctly hit enter, or missed it :)
15:16:26 <Guido> but there are sounds, that you get a message
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15:19:46 <Mic> bbl
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15:49:10 <clokep_meeting> Guido: So what is your issue with sounds then? I see you talking about the alert boxes showing on top of each other, which is a known Mozilla bug (as Mic kind of said), but what is the issue with sounds?
15:51:12 <Guido> if i write in this tab, than i only want to hear a sound, if someone in another tap sends me a message, but not if someone sends me a message in this tab. i'm not interested in a sound, if i send a message on my own. only a sound by in getting messages
15:51:53 <clokep_meeting> OK, do you not want outgoing sounds or do you not want ANY sounds in the currently selected tab?
15:52:09 <Guido> no outgoing sounds
15:52:18 <clokep_meeting> OK. They can be disabled in the nightlies.
15:52:38 <clokep_meeting> (The feature was landed right after 1.1 was released.)
15:53:13 <clokep_meeting> If you run nightlies I can tell you how to disable it.
15:53:44 <Guido> where is the "nightlies"?
15:53:57 <Guido> is it an addon?
15:54:28 <clokep_meeting> "nightlies" are the builds that are made every night with the newest code.
15:54:40 <clokep_meeting> The "unstable" builds (although they actually tend to be rather stable).
15:55:11 <clokep_meeting> E.g. we just released Instantbird 1.1, so the "nightly" builds are 1.2a1pre (meaning 1.2 alpha 1 pre)
15:56:08 <Guido> i just can't find it
15:56:49 <flo> how have you tried to search for it? :)
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15:58:10 <Guido> found
15:58:33 <Guido> i think its in english, right?
15:58:38 <Mic> yES
15:58:41 <Mic> *Yes
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15:59:10 * flo is going to get rid of purpleStorage.h/cpp
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15:59:56 * clokep_meeting wonders what purpleStorage is. ;)
16:00:07 <Guido> hm and there wil be no dutch spealcheker.
16:00:15 <flo> clokep_meeting: the C++ helper for using blist.sqlite
16:00:17 <instantbot> c++ is e-- ah, nevermind.
16:01:17 <clokep_meeting> Ah I see.
16:01:35 <flo> it's also the code that currently creates that database
16:01:47 <flo> but I'll move/rewrite that into imContacts.js
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16:03:08 <Guido> i think i wil wate until a dutch version is relised. would like to have a dutch and englisch spealchek
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16:03:43 <Guido> *wait
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16:05:33 <clokep_meeting> Alright. You'll need to wait for 1.2 then (or make an extension to do it). :)
16:06:13 <Guido> and than it would be nice to have any sounds in the actual tab too
16:06:38 <Guido> i wil wait. sadly i can't write addons :-(
16:07:24 <Tomek> what level of knowledge is needet to ba able to write an addon anyway?
16:07:31 <flo> Guido: why? Is your boss forbidding that?
16:08:00 <Guido> i don't know anything about it
16:09:15 <flo> Tomek: the biggest requirement is being able to understand documentation and discussions in English.
16:09:23 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1134 filed by michal.stanke@mikk.cz.
16:09:24 <instantbot> michal.stanke@mikk.cz added attachment 968 to bug 1134.
16:09:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1134 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Don't create new history log after closing the conversation
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16:10:13 <clokep_meeting> The solution that suggests doesn't really have anything to do with the issue. :(
16:10:30 <Guido> and to have a basic understanding of the programming language, i think
16:11:16 <flo> clokep_meeting: the solution is to put the conv on hold, right? ;)
16:11:27 <Tomek> I have some knowledne of C, but I don't think i can use it here :-D
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16:12:01 <clokep_meeting> Ah, I read it wrong actually...I thought it was actually saying to not create more files. :)
16:12:09 <flo> Guido: that's not really needed. If you are willing to learn, it's quite possible to do it by looking at easy examples, and then working on more and more complicated things as you start to understand better
16:12:10 <clokep_meeting> Tomek: You could use C/C++, but I wouldn't suggest it. ;)
16:12:15 <clokep_meeting> JavaScript is very easy to learn if you know C.
16:12:58 <Guido> okee, than i wil perhapstry it, if i have some more time 
16:14:12 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1135 filed by michal.stanke@mikk.cz.
16:14:14 <instantbot> michal.stanke@mikk.cz added attachment 969 to bug 1135.
16:14:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1135 min, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Log date is not translated
16:14:22 <Tomek> well, i'd like to, but I dont have enough time
16:14:22 <Tomek> I¨m not programmer basically, I study Physics and just sometimes use C to make some basic simulations and stuff
16:15:28 <Guido> i study environmentalscienc
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16:16:30 <clokep_meeting> Tomek: Guido I think you mean "I'm not a programmer *yet*" ;)
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16:17:10 <flo> 61 lines of C++ code become 17 of JS :)
16:17:27 <flo> clokep_meeting: what did you study, again? ;)
16:17:42 <clokep_meeting> Mechanical & Electrical Engineering.
16:17:42 <Guido> i did some programming with delphi on school, but i stoped, because i don't like the language enz.
16:18:20 <clokep_meeting> (I actually write code at work, mostly for simulations, mostly in MATLAB or Java)
16:21:18 <Tomek> may I have a question about IRC in Instantbird?... is there any way to request a list of all channels?
16:22:16 <clokep_meeting> No. :( We have a few bugs about it though.
16:23:03 <Tomek> so "not yet" but it will come some day? :)
16:23:13 <clokep_meeting> If someone writes the code for it. ;)
16:23:38 <clokep_meeting> It'd be helpful. I'll probably do it eventually if other people don't bea tme to it.
16:23:40 <clokep_meeting> But not for a while.
16:24:17 <flo> clokep_meeting: is the low level part hard to implement in JS-IRC?
16:25:19 <clokep_meeting> flo: No, I already have code to catch the responses I think, I just don't do anything w/ them.
16:25:40 <flo> ok, so the "difficult" thing is the UI then?
16:25:51 <clokep_meeting> Yes.
16:26:01 <clokep_meeting> If you just want /list to return into the conversation, sure...that's not too bad.
16:26:05 <clokep_meeting> But it's a really bad UI I think.
16:26:29 <flo> I would like it to be shown in the "new conversation" UI when adding a tab ;)
16:26:39 <flo> but that's quite complicated
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16:27:59 <clokep_meeting> Yes. :)
16:28:15 <clokep_meeting> This "new conversation" UI we've discussed many times but no one has ever worked on. :(
16:28:53 <flo> well, I'm currently working on something else we have discussed many times but never actually started before ;)
16:29:21 <flo> we should probably have done that account xpcom interface cleanup a long time ago :)
16:31:37 <clokep_meeting> Yes. :P Now you're making Mic and I change around code in our protocols/overrides! :P
16:31:51 <clokep_meeting> Good thing I don't care for making my extensions backwards compatible. :)
16:31:59 <flo> ahah!
16:32:05 <flo> backward compatibility :-P
16:32:30 <flo> we should just get more aggressive about updating people to the latest release :)
16:32:48 <clokep_meeting> Did we turn on auto-updates? From 1.0 and 0.2?
16:32:51 <flo> (or preventing them from downloading old crap)
16:33:09 <flo> From 1.0, we do it as a minor update
16:33:22 <flo> From 0.2 I'm not sure if it's a minor or major update
16:33:27 <clokep_meeting> Ah, ok.
16:36:12 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1114 to WORKSFORME.
16:36:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114 blo, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, IB Cannot Start: 0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED) [purpleICoreService.init]
16:38:54 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1136 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
16:38:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1136 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Attempt to restart in safe-mode automatically when fatal error is encountered
16:39:20 <Mook_as> ah, maybe this is why I don't reconnect after sleep. Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [purpleIAccount.connect]"  nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "JS frame :: resource:///modules/jsProtoHelper.jsm :: <TOP_LEVEL> :: line 78"  data: no] Source File: resource:///modules/jsProtoHelper.jsm Line: 78
16:39:45 <clokep_meeting> Back to meetings...
16:41:20 <clokep_meeting> (By the way Guido and Tomek, we're definitely willing to help people figure out how to fix bugs, make extensions, etc. and I like to think we're fairly patient, or at least aleth hasn't tired of us yet. ;))
16:41:58 <clokep_meeting> Does anyone know if bug 1131 is a regression? I think it used to work.
16:42:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1131 tri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, using cursors for moving in contacts up and down
16:42:05 <clokep_meeting> Probably from the hidden conversations stuff. :-/
16:42:17 <flo> meh, aleth is doing very well! Others have exercised our patience much more in the past ;).
16:43:49 <clokep_meeting> Bah someone needs to do a weekly meeting post.
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16:52:19 <flo> clokep_meeting: right, it's likely a regression from moving the scrollbar to the notification box :(
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16:57:06 <Mook_as> hmm, I can't drag-and-drop a download link from addons.ib.o (in firefox) to instantbird :p
17:05:13 <Tomek> Mook_as: I dont have a problem with it... https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/downloads/latest/202/addon-202-latest.xpi
17:05:13 <Tomek> or you mean something else?
17:11:21 <Mook_as> I mean I can't drop it in the buddy list :)
17:12:43 <Mook_as> man, I need a test buddy the way skype has a call testing account
17:13:00 <Tomek> Oh I see.. 
17:13:16 <Tomek> you know, on ICQ I added myself :-D
17:14:20 <Mook_as> ooh, I can do that in gtalk too, it just doesn't send it to myself
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17:14:50 <Mook_as> (also, https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/245 does not appear to be working for me, or I configured it wrong)
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17:35:52 <Mic> Mook_as, re allevet: sometimes the window (or panel?) containing the alerts isn't hidden with the last alert.
17:35:59 <Mook_as> huh
17:36:51 <Mic> I think I saw this when I clicked an alert to go to the conversation (and maybe there were still other alerts?).
17:37:01 <Mic> Seems like you haven't seen this before ;)
17:37:37 <Mic> I'll try to find exact steps to reproduce.
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17:38:23 <Mook_as> I expect the addon to be _buggy_, but do not know any specifics ;)
17:38:38 <Mook_as> if possible, file github issues (so I don't forget)? thanks :)
17:39:09 <Mic> OK.
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18:32:28 <flo> oh, an AIM spammer :)
18:32:31 <flo> I almost missed them ;)
18:32:37 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1137 filed by tomaskom.cz@seznam.cz.
18:32:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1137 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Searching in contacts
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19:04:32 <Mic> Hallo ! 
19:05:04 <Mic> pff, it took me at least a minute to dictate that with Windows 7 speech recognition :s
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19:21:29 <Chaz6> Hiya, I'm still on the nightly
19:21:42 <Chaz6> Why is it when people try to add me they just get denied straight away?
19:21:45 <Chaz6> I don't get any prompt
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19:27:05 <billysanca> everytime i see the nightly icon, i think its a bear. am i crazy?
19:27:26 <billysanca> a bear with a hat
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20:22:00 <clokep_meeting> billysanca: It's a witch?
20:22:22 <clokep_meeting> Mook_as: It's possible it's not working. :(
20:22:34 <billysanca> nope. its a message baloon +P
20:22:35 <clokep_meeting> I have a fixed version that needs to be uploaded though.
20:22:36 <billysanca> =P
20:22:37 <clokep_meeting> Ping me abou tit later?
20:22:51 <Mook_as> clokep_meeting: ping: tit
20:23:13 <billysanca> i mean, 4 ballons :P
20:23:58 <clokep_meeting> Thank's Mook_as.
20:26:42 <BlueMaxima> lol, I read that as "Thanks Monk's Ass."
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20:51:25 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1138 filed by michal.stanke@mikk.cz.
20:51:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1138 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Easier way to hold conversation instead of closing
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