#instantbird log on 11 01 2011

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01:29:33 <clokep> Now I can test things for Twitter without posting meaningless junk to my real twitter account! :)
01:31:18 <clokep> Uhh...did we really not add the full name to the Twitter tooltips?
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02:13:09 <clokep> It really bothers me that Colorize isn't working but there's no error and I have no idea how to debug it. :-/
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04:14:14 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1130 filed by kevin.gadd@gmail.com.
04:14:16 <instantbot> kevin.gadd@gmail.com added attachment 966 to bug 1130.
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10:56:06 <flo> instantbot: welcome back ;)
10:56:09 <instantbot> flo: Sorry, I've no idea what 'welcome back ;)' might be.
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11:20:22 <FeuerFliege> clokep: re bug 1130: I joined some highly frequented irc-channels collapsed the participants list and waited, but when i reopened the list the list showed everyone who joined in the meantime.
11:20:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1130 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, IRC participants list desync when collapsed
11:21:32 <aleth> It's also possible (if there is a bug) that it has nothing to do with the collapsed state
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11:47:48 <clokep_work> Thanks FeuerFliege.
11:47:57 <clokep_work> I'm also not sure what the screenshot is supposed to illustrate. :-/
11:49:02 <clokep_work> Ah the # of users is different than the actual users.
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12:04:20 <flo> aleth: the linux nightly failed again today, but this time I've retriggered it so that you can benefit from one day of halloween branding anyway ;).
12:07:54 <aleth> flo: thanks:)
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12:56:05 <Mic> Hi
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14:39:45 <deOmega> good day.  I was going to file a bug about email notification, but ame across this
14:39:49 <deOmega> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=464
14:40:19 <deOmega> bug 606
14:40:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Provide mail notifications in buddy window
14:41:33 <deOmega> Seems liek  a most folks are getting hooked to web mail
14:42:22 <deOmega> and with  google+ gaining momentum.. and even before then
14:43:06 <deOmega> i have had tor ecommend that some  folks  install googletalk, to know when they have mail
14:43:25 <deOmega> because there are really no  decent desktop mail notifiers imo
14:44:08 <deOmega> anyway, i just had someone  install a different messenger for that purpose alone, plus twitter posts alerts, so that  you do not have to keep teh twitter window opened
14:44:49 <deOmega> They think the program is simply amazing, because of that
14:45:26 <deOmega> So, would like  to see Instantbird be that program in the future.  :)
14:45:36 <deOmega> Have anice day
14:46:09 <deOmega> the program i installed for them begins with a 'D'  :)
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14:57:36 <flo> I'm looking at the purpleICoreService interface as I want to reimplement the "core" interface from a JS xpcom component
14:58:59 <flo> I'm wondering if I shouldn't move the autologin stuff (http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/public/purpleICoreService.idl#78) to imIAccountsService, and all the method/attributes related to the user's status (http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/public/purpleICoreService.idl#109) to a separate interface, so that in the future it's possible so have several instances of it if we want to handle
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14:59:56 <Mic> Hi
15:00:02 <flo> and the storageConnection attribute (http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/public/purpleICoreService.idl#106) seems like something we have no reason to expose at all. Maybe we should add a storeAccount and a forgetAccount method to imIContactsService, and then open the sqlite database inside imContacts.js and don't expose it out of that file?
15:00:49 <flo> basically, the only things I would like to keep in imICoreService is the init/quit methods, and the methods related to the list of protocols (which I want to reimplement completely)
15:01:00 <flo> any thougths on this?
15:01:24 <flo> also, the inheritance of the purpleIAccountsService interface seems strange to me...
15:01:36 <Mic> There was something cut off in the logs btw
15:01:50 <Mic> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/111101/#m114
15:02:17 <flo> Mic: right, thanks. "handle multiple identities (in an add-ons)"
15:04:17 <Mic> brb
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15:18:29 <ecaron> Can someone tell me how to respond to this tweet about ib storing passwords in plaintext? http://twitter.com/#!/topher1kenobe/status/131386536288731136
15:19:24 <ecaron> Is pointing him to bug 434 the best response?
15:19:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use toolkit password manager
15:20:09 <flo> probably
15:25:41 <flo> it may be something I'll have to fix for Thunderbird integration by the way :-S
15:31:17 <flo> hmm, Command+w closes the current conversation tab. Would it be a good idea to add Command+h to put it on hold?
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15:37:26 <ecaron> The only alternatives for cmd-h are find/replace or show history.
15:37:58 <ecaron> So I think binding that to on-hold seems like a good decision.
15:38:24 <ecaron> From the Twitter stream: "In pidgin I simply tell it not to save my passwd and put it in every time I start up. That's my favorite"
15:41:28 <Mic> We have a bug for that too.
15:41:48 <Mic> Bug 257, I think
15:41:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't necessarily save passwords / add prompt for password
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15:44:37 <flo> hmm, Command+H is already used to "Hide the current Application" on Mac :-/
15:44:48 <flo> and in my specific case, it hides the application by crashing it :(
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16:07:19 <clokep_work> flo: Those changes all sound reasonable. :)
16:07:33 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 967 to bug 1130.
16:07:34 <flo> clokep_work: ok thanks :)
16:07:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1130 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, IRC participants list desync when collapsed
16:07:38 <clokep_work> Setting the user's status separately would be good for allowing an add-on to do it.
16:08:17 <flo> what scares me a bit with the changes I'm working on is that I have a lot of things to change before it becomes possible to try anything at all
16:08:49 <flo> I prefer when I can see intermediate results
16:13:26 <clokep_work> And ecaron you could also point out that Pidgin/other IM programs do that as well.
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16:13:46 <clokep_work> Ah, I guess Pidgin allows you to prompt for it? I didn't know that.
16:13:55 <clokep_work> Isn't this why the OS has a password? ;)
16:14:40 <ecaron> Oh great, clokep is one of those guys that doesn't use passwords in his ssh keys...
16:14:42 <flo> the system administrator still has access to your home folder
16:15:13 <clokep_work> Ah, well. Yeah, I'm always assuming that you /are/ the system admin.
16:15:28 <clokep_work> ecaron: I do put passwords on those. ;) But I don't have many.
16:15:52 <flo> passwords are annoying :(
16:19:24 <clokep_work> I agree. :(
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16:24:05 <FeuerFliege> those plaintxt passwords are bugging me, too. Especially with the „portable“ installation on my USB-Stick. 
16:24:46 <Mook_as> can I rebind accel+w to hide instead of close, so I never close anything? :D
16:24:48 <aleth> Plaintext passwords is just an unnecessary risk whatever way you look at it.
16:25:01 <clokep_work> Just encrypt the drive. ;)
16:25:41 <flo> Mook_as: I guess what you want is a way to always put on hold when closing the tab rather than closing the conversation
16:26:00 <aleth> Saying "it shouldn't matter" or "you can fix it at the OS level" is not the point, I know that, it's doing what you can for your app not to cause any problems.
16:26:06 <Mook_as> flo: right
16:26:08 <flo> aleth: yes. Especially when they go in plaintext over the network
16:26:21 <Mook_as> I mean, I _guess_ can I probably write an extension to have it work the way I want... :D
16:26:30 <flo> it's probably very trivial to do
16:26:43 <Mook_as> (DOMi takes over accel+shift+i from the firefox built-in devtools inspector thinger, so it can be done...)
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16:28:21 <clokep_work> aleth: I understand, I just like to poke at the fire.
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16:29:00 <flo> Mook_as: just change that to return always false: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/src/imConversations.js#167
16:29:02 <clokep_work> (But seriously. I don't loose too much sleep about it.)
16:29:26 <aleth> clokep_work: I don't either, but you never know the circumstances under which users are using the program
16:29:50 <Mook_as> clokep_work: http://mxr.mozilla.org/webtools/source/tinderbox/channelflames.gif
16:29:52 <aleth> flo: What does FF use on Mac for "open history" if not Cmd-H?
16:29:56 <clokep_work> Btw, I noticed that in the context menu of tabs there's a "Close conversation" "Put Conversation on hold" and a "Close tab" that all seems a bit redundant. :(
16:30:25 <clokep_work> aleth: True, but at least we don't try to hide it. :) And it'd help to know /why/ someone is so concerned about it.
16:32:01 <flo> aleth: there doesn't seem to be a keyboard shortcut for "show all history" on Mac in Firefox
16:33:27 <clokep_work> aleth: Check if bug 1130 still happens w/ hardware acceleration off?
16:33:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1130 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Participants list sometimes does not display all list items
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16:33:35 <Mook_as> hmm, I think it's doable as a restartless addon, just need to get the conversation service, wrappedJSObject, global, UIConversation.prototype, clobber that method. yay :D
16:34:00 <Mook_as> (thanks for not doing the ridiculous Object.seal crap!)
16:34:15 <aleth> clokep_work: yes
16:36:39 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes it doesn't work or yes you should try it. ;)
16:36:48 <aleth> Yes it doesn't work
16:37:26 <aleth> Seeing as the original report was from Windows I doubt it's a driver issue
16:39:21 <clokep_work> A lot of graphics cards used to have trouble on Windows. We used to get a TON of drawing issues.
16:39:45 <clokep_work> Idk how well Mozilla fixed all those.
16:39:53 <clokep_work> Just saying that it seems to be a drawing issue to me.
16:42:10 <flo> clokep_work: I think they disabled by default, and are now using a white list of tested drivers, rather than a blacklist of bad drivers
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16:42:31 <clokep_work> flo: Ah, I must have missed that change. :(
16:44:10 <Mook_as> is that a treeview?
16:44:30 <clokep_work> I think it's a richlistbox.
16:44:38 <flo> a simple listbox
16:44:48 <flo> it isn't rich enough
16:45:29 <Mic> What about removing the tabs related context menu items and changing "Close Other Tabs" to "Close Other Conversations" (or put them on hold instead?)
16:45:51 <aleth> clokep_work: Just wanted to add what flo said, plus _something_ is setting the position of the listitems to zero
16:46:48 <clokep_work> aleth: Are they going to zero? It seemed to me that they're just disappearing (i.e. a drawing issue), did I miss a comment somewhere that they're going to zero? :-/
16:47:07 <aleth> clokep_work: You missed a comment. Though I don't know if it always happens
16:47:33 <aleth> Other people should try to reproduce to narrow down the causes ;)
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16:48:12 <aleth> Is it really such a bad thing that there is some duplication? If someone is looking to close the tab why not offer them "Close tab" as well as "Close conversation" and "Put on hold". The last two entries are standard ones
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16:49:29 * Mook_as thinks duplication makes the interface unnecessarily cluttered and confusing
16:49:44 <clokep_work> Mook_as++
16:50:05 * aleth doesn't particularly care either way in this case
16:50:08 <Mook_as> of course, my primary IRC client is chatzilla, so I don't know how valid things I say about user interfaces are ;)
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20:54:46 <aleth> more negative add-on feedback (just for the record) "Instantbird would be a lot better if it didn't make it impossible to install themes and add-ons." https://twitter.com/#!/antumbral/status/130790823880179712
20:56:23 <aleth> But it's not "impossible"... ;)
20:57:00 <douglaswth> huh? I thought it was just as easy as firefox, strangely enough ;P
20:57:50 <aleth> I guess it depends on the way you are used to doing it.... some work better than others atm
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21:00:49 <clokep_work> It's more of the same as Thunderbird. :_/
21:00:55 <clokep_work> You pretty much need to download stuff first.
21:00:57 <Mic|web> Hi
21:01:08 <clokep_work> Or you can drag & drop the "Download Now" button onto the add-ons manager! :)
21:01:27 <Mic|web> You need to either find it using the AOM (which is hardly possible :(
21:01:44 <Mic|web> Or download it and fail because of the compatibility flags :(
21:01:50 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work: the most annoying thing is that the search is useless
21:01:51 <Mic|web> Happened for me for Colorize today :(
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21:03:05 <FeuerFliege> batteries low… I have to change notebook.
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21:03:43 <Mic|web> gtg, bye(people forcing me to join them again :D ;)
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21:21:07 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1131 filed by tomaskom.cz@seznam.cz.
21:21:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1131 tri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, using cursors for moving in contacts up and down
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21:24:52 <flo> I don't understand that bug :-/
21:25:32 <flo> aleth: I asked the author of that tweet to file bugs. He filed bug 1129, where he explains a bit more what frustrated him
21:25:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1129 min, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Installing add-ons and themes is too difficult
21:26:14 <flo> unfortunately, that's a single bug about lots of different issues/proposed improvements :-/
21:26:44 <Mook_as> hmm, d&d onto the message styles pane would be nice
21:26:47 <aleth> aha
21:26:49 <aleth> I'd say more or less a dupe of the bugs listed in bug 1111
21:26:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1111 enh, --, ---, raynaudquentin, NEW, [Meta] Improve add-on installation experience
21:26:52 <Mook_as> (so would a small link, "get more styles...")
21:27:10 <Mook_as> ... except that link already exists :D
21:28:01 <aleth> The "message styles in preferences" thing is reminiscent of the experience we had reported here that led to bug 1055
21:28:02 <Mook_as> and bug 1131 seems to be "when selecting a different contact via the keyboard, we should make sure the newly-selected contact is visible in the buddy list"
21:28:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1055 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Terminology in Preferences: Themes vs Message styles
21:28:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1131 tri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, using cursors for moving in contacts up and down
21:35:48 <Mook_as> okay, changing UIConversation.prototype.checkClose to always return false doesn't actually work, when the message window reopens I get no text.
21:37:17 <flo> Mook_as: congrats for decoding that bug description :)
21:37:34 <flo> Mook_as: no text? How come? :-/
21:37:41 <Mook_as> nothing was added
21:38:05 <Mook_as> (the whole area with the text is blank; not even the stuff I type go in there)
21:38:40 <flo> oh, that means the conversation binding failed to attach (parse error somewhere?)
21:39:22 <flo> hmm, wait, I thought "not even the stuff I type go in there" meant you don't have a textbox to type and the whole tab is blank, that may not be what you said
21:40:08 <Mook_as> no, I can type fine
21:40:21 <Mook_as> the binding is _probably_ okay (there was even a frame in which stuff should go)
21:40:24 <aleth> Mook_as: does bug 1131 mean the contact window doesn't scroll properly? (puzzled)
21:40:25 <Mook_as> that frame was just... blank.
21:40:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1131 tri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, using cursors for moving in contacts up and down
21:40:59 <Mook_as> aleth: if you have more contacts than visible, using the keyboard to select invisible contacts should probably attempt to show the newly-selected contact
21:41:11 <Mook_as> currently it changes selection, but you have no feedback
21:42:41 <aleth> Mook_as: ah, you mean that e.g. pressing "up" selects the next item up in the list, not the next _visible_ item (taking account of what's collapsed and what isn't)
21:42:57 <FeuerFliege> how does it come that i cannot find any addon with the build in search? 
21:43:37 <Mook_as> aleth: right, though I think my expected behaviour is "select the next item up in the list, then make sure it's visible"
21:49:02 <flo> hmm, I wonder why that doesn't work on the contact list (it works on the account list though, so we can't really blame the richlistbox implementation)
21:50:05 <aleth> Feuerfliege: It's one of those bugs listed in 1111
21:50:34 <flo> aleth: wasn't it supposed to give at least /some/ results in some cases?
21:50:44 <aleth> lol
21:53:50 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 1132 filed by tomaskom.cz@seznam.cz.
21:53:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1132 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Not showing end of line on some target clients
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22:26:57 <clokep> Doesn't bug 1132 sound like a bug in QIP, not in Instantbird?
22:26:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1132 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Not showing end of line on some target clients
22:28:36 <Mook_as> perhaps it wants DOS line endings or something silly along those lines?
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22:33:36 <clokep> Ah, yeah. I guess that's possible.
22:45:17 <Mook_as> bah, my problems earlier with invisible text was _not_ due to UIConversation.prototype.checkClose, it's because I had forced link bugzilla bugs to enabled
22:45:54 <Mook_as> (i.e. https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/4 )
22:46:53 <Mook_as> also, the addon about dialog has problems on Windows (turns black), same with the DOMi one. odd.
22:49:16 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1133 filed by tomaskom.cz@seznam.cz.
22:49:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1133 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Reconnection to Facebook after disconnection triggered on facebook's site
22:49:57 <aleth> so many bugs... :/
22:54:03 <Tomek> so many bugs... well, I'm sorry for reporting those three :-D
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22:54:46 <aleth> Tomek - thanks for reporting! :D
22:54:57 <Mook_as> better known than not known :)
22:55:05 <Mook_as> this way flo gets a chance to say wontfix ;)
22:55:58 <clokep> Tomek: How do you "turn off chat"?
22:56:37 * clokep is Facebook incompetent. :)
22:56:55 <clokep> Bah I figured it out. :-D
22:57:10 <Tomek> whe you have chat sidebar opeden, click on the gearwheel and untick avilable to chat
22:57:12 <Tomek> :)
22:57:56 <clokep> Yeah...I'm still connected. :-/
22:58:03 <clokep> Oops, there it goes.
22:58:09 <clokep> Hmmm...wtf.
22:58:25 <Tomek> and... no attempt to reconnes
22:58:39 <Tomek> reconnect*
22:58:59 <clokep> It's a Facebook issue I think.
22:59:19 <Tomek> i think too, but IB should be able to reconnect automatically
23:00:00 <clokep> One second. I'm replying in the bug. :)
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23:09:02 <aleth> From PMO, could this be useful/congruent with something at some point? https://blog.mozilla.com/warner/2011/10/28/cryptographic-invitation-protocols/
23:10:05 <aleth> but maybe he is just replicating OTR for browsers
23:15:31 <clokep> aleth: It sounds like it.
23:16:38 <Tomek> one note to bug 1132 (end of lines), both sides were under windows (Instantbird->Vista, QIP->7), so the CR LF problem Mook_as mentioned... doesn't seem like that's it, while we can't ignore it
23:16:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1132 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Not showing end of line on some target clients
23:17:47 <Mook_as> oh, I was assuming ib was always sending LF-only, or something
23:20:15 <clokep> Tomek: That doesn't mean that we (and them) are sending the proper line endings anyway.
23:20:38 <clokep> Mook_as: Tomek Although for all I know the protocol uses HTML line breaks. ;)
23:20:58 <clokep> I assume this happens w/ Pidgin too.
23:21:08 <Mook_as> for all I know, the protocol may decide to use SEP or other unprintable characters for line breaks ;)
23:21:44 <Tomek> well i dont know much about internal mechanisms of instantbird, except for that it is based on Mozilla's technologies...
23:21:45 <clokep> Yup! :)
23:21:56 <clokep> Tomek: We use Pidgin's protocol libraries.
23:26:09 <clokep> Mook_as: Do you know anything about pymake? (Specifically whether we would need to make any changes to use it?)
23:26:24 <Mook_as> I know very little
23:26:38 <Mook_as> I think there may be constructs it doesn't support, but I don't know any details
23:26:44 <clokep> Alright. I wasn't sure whether you guys use it at AS or anything.
23:27:06 <Mook_as> no, we use plain old gnu make for mozilla builds
23:27:14 <Mook_as> (and silly cons for komodo bits)
23:27:17 <clokep> Alright...maybe I'll ask about it in #developers, I don't suppose you know who is "the man" wiht it?
23:27:25 <Mook_as> bsmedberg was
23:27:35 <clokep> Cool, thanks. :)
23:28:35 <Tomek> Anyway, I'm done for this night, I have an awfull homework to Theoretical Mechanics... If you have further questions about bugs i submitted, don't hesitate to email me or just reply to the bug. GN ;)
23:28:49 <Mook_as> good night :)
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23:30:35 <aleth> love the halloween logo :)
23:30:37 <clokep> Goodnight!
23:30:43 <clokep> Glad you finally got it! :-D
23:30:48 <aleth> yay :D
23:30:52 * Mook_as hasn't yet :|
23:31:06 <clokep> Have you updated to yesterday or the day before's nightly?
23:31:09 <Mook_as> (probably because I don't stay connected long enough for ib to pull the update)
23:31:15 <clokep> Hahh, yes.
23:32:01 <aleth> I have to agree, the colours of it do look much nicer than those on the regular nightly...
23:32:19 <aleth> Mook_as: Help -> Check for updates ;)
23:32:38 <Mook_as> aleth: maybe when I'm on a connection that's not my cell phone ;)
23:33:02 <Mook_as> (I don't have real internet access at home yet, where I use the nightly; currently I'm tethering via my cell, which is included in the plan so it's "free")
23:33:05 <clokep> Hmm...Kyle Huey seems to have made check-ins too.
23:33:08 <Mook_as> it's also extremely slow
23:33:19 <Mook_as> clokep: that'd be, unsurprisingly, khuey on IRC
23:33:29 <clokep> "yet" didn't you move like months ago?
23:33:49 <Mook_as> no, I actually really moved in some time this..., err, last month
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23:34:24 <clokep> Ah, I see.
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23:34:56 <Mook_as> needed enough furniture to have somewhere to put my alarm clock :p
23:35:13 <clokep> Hahah. It took me six months to get a coffee table after I moved this winter.
23:35:59 <Mook_as> I don't know how long it'll take for me to get a couch :D
23:36:49 <clokep> Just get a futon, it's a couch AND a bed. ;)
23:37:50 <Mook_as> I'll probably get a sofabed, but yeah :)
23:37:58 <Mook_as> (also: already have a separate bed)
23:41:17 <clokep> Ah never mind.
23:41:19 <clokep> Ikea? ;)
23:41:39 <Mook_as> yeah :) beddinge, probably