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00:09:36 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 00:09:38 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 00:09:59 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 00:10:00 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 00:11:57 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 00:11:57 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 00:13:42 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 00:13:46 --> flo has joined #instantbird 00:13:46 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 00:17:27 <-- mmkmou has quit (Connection reset by peer) 00:20:35 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/351bf781388d - Florian Quèze - Bug 759 - create a chat/ folder to contain the core code that isn't related to libpurple. 00:20:37 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b985510492b2 - Florian Quèze - Avoid cropping the name of conversations on hold that have a very long topic. 00:20:38 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/4438ed97a790 - Florian Quèze - Avoid having an horizontal scrollbar in the Contacts window when the 'Conversations on hold' string is longer than the window's width. 00:23:46 <flo> Good night :) 00:35:06 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 00:42:11 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 00:43:59 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.13/20101203074205]) 00:44:01 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 00:45:07 --> BlueMaxima has joined #instantbird 00:54:17 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 01:02:20 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Client exited) 01:03:52 <-- devfil has quit (Client exited) 01:43:59 --> billysanca has joined #instantbird 04:55:47 <-- billysanca has quit (Ping timeout) 05:00:03 <-- MattATobin has quit (Quit: I'm a trifle deaf in this ear. 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We're a picky bunch. :P 14:46:44 <aleth> Nono that's good, that's how I learn :) plus it looks better in the end 14:49:49 <aleth> Btw would there be any interest in this? http://i.imgur.com/VaV9Y.png I restyled the participant count after a suggestion by flo. Clicking toggles the participant list. I thought of it as for an add-on but I don't think would be easy (if at all possible) to modify the xbl's required via an add-on. So I probably won't take it further unless it seems a good idea 14:52:53 <clokep_> aleth: It looks nice. I think you'd want to connect the count somehow to the list though. 14:53:24 <clokep_> Otherwise to me it's "23? 23 What?" 14:53:29 <aleth> There'd be a tooltip 14:53:52 <clokep_> I think some sort of visual connection could be better (like how the selected tab connects to the conversation). 14:54:04 * clokep_ needs to upgrade IE on this computer cause it's really out of date... 14:54:07 <-- clokep_ has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 14:55:06 <aleth> Nice idea, but tricky to do I suspect. 14:55:19 <aleth> Tab styling is heavily OS dependent 14:55:58 <aleth> Hmm... you couldn't use a regular tab for the purpose anyway 14:56:25 * aleth checks to see if there are some built in XUL elements for sidebars 14:57:47 <-- Mic1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 14:57:49 --> clokep_wp7 has joined #instantbird 14:58:11 <aleth> oh, you had gone... 14:58:38 <clokep_wp7> I think the tab styling is wrong, just about how they connect 14:58:46 <clokep_wp7> Yes on my phone now. 15:00:04 <clokep_wp7> If you're dropping the "participants" string i think something else is needed. 15:01:50 <aleth> One could change the "pill" shape to one that connects with the sidebar when it is open? 15:02:13 <Mic> And it should be discoverable that there's an action possible, e.g. a downward chevron like on selected contacts? 15:02:47 <clokep_wp7> Something like that, yes. :-) 15:07:14 <Mic> http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2883/alethmockupparticipantl.png 15:08:15 <aleth> Hmm, I'm not sure that gains us anything over the current design 15:09:15 <Mic> Sure, we can get rid of the grippy :P 15:09:30 <aleth> heh :P 15:12:54 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 15:16:42 --> adev has joined #instantbird 15:17:43 <aleth> http://i.imgur.com/HS7XQ.png 15:18:28 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 15:19:31 <aleth> hmmm 15:24:37 --> adev has joined #instantbird 15:25:28 <aleth> http://i.imgur.com/rz31a.png 15:27:15 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 15:27:20 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 15:28:49 <clokep_wp7> That's not too bad. :-) 15:29:40 <aleth> Could add a down chevron when the sidebar is collapsed, though it's kinda excessive ;) 15:31:44 <aleth> Anyway, the real question is, is it worth pursuing? 15:34:37 <-- gmoro_ has quit (Ping timeout) 15:43:34 <aleth> It might be too hard to make it look good on each OS 15:45:48 <-- clokep_wp7 has quit (Client exited) 15:46:53 --> clokep_ has joined #instantbird 15:47:28 <clokep_> Anything that will make it better for you is worth it. ;) 15:47:36 <clokep_> I think your real question is "would we accept it"? 15:47:46 <clokep_> And yes, it'd probably be a lot of effort. :-/ 15:50:28 <aleth> I think it's potentially a neater look, and an easier way to toggle the sidebar, but hardly essential in any way. So "is it worth it" was indeed a large part of the question... 15:50:48 <aleth> I haven't got my heart set on it if that's what you're asking ;) 15:51:15 <clokep_> Well there's always "more important" things to do, but polish is a lot of what makes a program. :) 15:51:48 <aleth> For sure :) 15:52:35 <clokep_> (In other words, I'm refusing to answer that. ;)) 15:52:51 <aleth> Partly it comes back to the old question of how people actually use the participant list, which is unclear to me. I only know how I use it 15:53:18 <aleth> (and most of the time I want it hidden out of my way) 15:54:09 <clokep_> Personally I always leave it up, but how much do I really use it...? Probably not that much. 15:54:24 <clokep_> I definitely use it when I come in and go "Oh, who's here?" 15:54:28 <aleth> Yes 15:54:59 <aleth> I think people who like their chat windows close to maximised are more likely to just want it open 15:55:02 <clokep_> (Maybe it should auto-hide after a certain amount of time is spent on the conversation?) 15:55:13 <clokep_> Yes, I tend to keep my window near the deafult size. 15:56:52 <aleth> It's certainly a little niggle that toggling the state (collapse/open) requires hitting the grippy, a small target 15:57:24 <aleth> Autohide might be nice... but could also be distracting 15:58:17 <aleth> Anyway, I might wait a while and see how the inactive colouring changes how I use it once it's in the nightly 16:04:06 <Mic> What would be a good way to figure out what information people are looking for? 16:04:27 <Mic> When they're using the participant list of course. 16:04:38 <clokep_> User survey? P 16:05:41 <Mic> I was thinking about something more fancy ;) 16:05:52 <clokep_> Get Test Pilot working? :P 16:06:03 <FeuerFliege> mouse tracking? 16:06:25 <Mic> brb 16:07:05 <aleth> eye tracking ;) 16:07:38 <Mic> clokep_: do you know something about Test Pilot btw? 16:09:20 <clokep_> Mic: I know that squib or protz in #maildev ported it to Thunderbird. I don't know how difficult that was. 16:10:22 * clokep_ is looking for the bug. 16:10:52 <Mic> It would interfere a lot with how I use the participant list but I was thinking about this: hide it. Assign a key that opens view that has a few tabs: Activity, Mode/Status, All, .. with each holding a short list of the users that fit there and maybe a 'More...' button to see more if necessary. 16:11:38 <Mic> Maybe better buttons that don't show anything by default so I can't get the information I seek from information displayed on a different tab? 16:11:59 <Mic> Could work to tell how I use the list ;) 16:12:40 <clokep_> Mic: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=679513 16:13:11 <clokep_> Would need the infrastructure for it too though. 16:13:33 <Mic> Should I be scared by a 1.3MB patch? 16:15:17 <aleth> It would need a lot of users to give meaningful results as well 16:15:29 <clokep_> Yes. :) 16:17:12 <clokep_> Does http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/ work for people? Seems to be an empty page for me. 16:17:18 * clokep_ is thinking an IE9 issue... 16:17:24 <Mic> wfm 16:17:38 <clokep_> OK. :) 16:18:06 <aleth> wfm2 16:18:59 <aleth> some new users after all with 1.1 it seems :) 16:19:09 <clokep_> Yes, that's what I remembered too. 16:33:46 <Mic> Here's something I thought about a while ago: http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6906/ibmockupnewaccount.png 16:34:45 <Mic> I don't think I'll be doing this any time soon, if someone likes the idea and wants to spend time on it: feel free :) 16:35:31 <Mic> And ignore the scrollbar, please ;) 16:39:53 <clokep_> That would be nice for the "blank slate" 16:40:49 <aleth> Mic: I liked that 'drop a new contact here' redesign you did a while ago 16:48:10 --> billysanca has joined #instantbird 16:48:43 <-- billysanca has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 16:48:51 --> billysanca has joined #instantbird 16:48:55 <-- billysanca has quit (Quit: billysanca) 17:01:24 <-- clokep_ has quit (Quit: Good afternoon.) 17:03:21 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 17:09:42 <aleth> Is there an about:config entry to make "Put on hold" the default for conversations as well? I forget 17:11:24 <flo> for all conversations, even the finished ones? no. Why do you need that? 17:11:29 <flo> (it would be easy to do as an add-on) 17:15:08 <aleth> Sometimes there are large gaps in time in a single conversation, during which you close the window. This turns into separate conversations atm, so you don't have context when you need it. So it's kind of a consequence of the lacking display of the last few messages of the previous conversation. 17:15:49 <aleth> TL:DR A feature of IM is that it's asynchronous 17:16:19 <-- igorko has quit (Ping timeout) 17:16:28 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 17:50:39 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 17:51:57 --> billysanca has joined #instantbird 17:58:49 --> clokep_ has joined #instantbird 17:59:42 <clokep_> aleth: I think what you're really wanting is the logs to be added to the beginning of conversations for context. 18:12:41 <-- clokep_ has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 18:14:34 <-- billysanca has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 18:14:50 --> billysanca has joined #instantbird 18:26:11 <aleth> clokep: sure - I was just going to use that about:config flag (if it existed) as a workaround 18:28:09 <-- billysanca has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 18:28:35 --> billysanca has joined #instantbird 18:40:55 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 19:31:00 <instantbot> do.not.deliver@gmx.de added attachment 954 to bug 483. 19:31:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=483 min, --, ---, do.not.deliver, ASSI, Instantbird default theme has no preview image 19:32:04 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 19:48:39 <-- MattATobin has quit (Quit: I'm a trifle deaf in this ear. Speak a little louder next time.) 19:50:43 --> MattATobin has joined #instantbird 20:15:41 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 20:19:14 <billysanca> i cant wait to have file transfer in InstantBird! :P 20:20:55 <billysanca> btw, if Firefox = Fx and Thunderbird = Tb 20:20:55 <billysanca> Instantbird = ?? 20:21:13 <flo> Ib 20:23:16 <billysanca> obvious, right? :) 20:48:08 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 21:20:40 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 21:31:56 <instantbot> do.not.deliver@gmx.de requested review from idechix@instantbird .org for attachment 954 on bug 483. 21:31:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=483 min, --, ---, do.not.deliver, ASSI, Instantbird default theme has no preview image 21:34:26 --> billysanca1 has joined #instantbird 21:35:17 <-- billysanca has quit (Ping timeout) 21:36:26 <FeuerFliege> instantbirds facebook-chat is better than the online-chat 21:37:22 <FeuerFliege> especially the online status works way more accurate in Ib 21:41:14 <flo> you are lucky then :) 21:45:15 <flo> I'm trying to fix bug 1089 21:45:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1089 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Crash [@ ssl_nss_handshake_cb] 21:45:47 <flo> I've already found 2 possible fixes, but I still crash after applying them, so I'm not sure if there are more similar issues to be found, or if I'm just wrong about it :-/. 21:46:06 <flo> and not really sure of how to debug them either 21:47:47 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 21:52:22 <Novarg> not exactly related to instantbird, but anyone happen to have a clue why I can perfectly receive facebook messages via xmpp but my replies won't show? 21:52:34 <Novarg> I'm hoping somebody may have encountered and worked it out before :) 21:58:22 <flo> Novarg: the facebook xmpp gateway sucks. :( 21:59:59 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 22:02:06 <Novarg> flo: The thing is that it doesn't work in pidgin either 22:02:12 <Novarg> so clearly, it's not a messenger problem 22:02:35 <flo> pidgin also uses the facebook xmpp gateway 22:02:38 <Novarg> yet I'm totally clueless as to where to look about possible fixage 22:03:06 <flo> you would probably need to become a facebook employee before getting access to the code that needs a fix 22:03:35 <Novarg> only for other people it seems to be working, so I figure I could fix up my configuration if I knew how to 22:06:10 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 22:11:00 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 22:35:12 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 22:41:45 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 22:44:06 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 22:57:52 --> ironhead has joined #instantbird 23:16:16 <flo> Good night :) 23:23:35 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 23:41:52 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout)