#instantbird log on 10 28 2011

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05:23:12 <Guido> hoi
05:23:12 <Guido> why is the history sorted by messengers and not by users?
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05:50:26 <Guido_> 7:23:12 - Guido: hoi
05:50:28 <Guido_> 7:23:12 - Guido: why is the history sorted by messengers and not by users?
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07:57:57 <Mic> Hi
07:59:46 <FeuerFliege> Moin
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09:20:22 <flo> hello :)
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10:25:33 <flo> clokep: hello :)
10:25:49 <flo> so anything I should change to that directory structure before starting to put Makefiles everywhere?
10:26:24 <clokep> flo: I didn't notice anything, no.
10:26:36 <flo> ok, cool thanks :)
10:28:58 <clokep> :)
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10:32:41 <Mic> This standby connection error sucks :S
10:34:51 <clokep> Standby connection error? I don't remember hearing of this one...?
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10:36:14 <Mic> Failing to reconnect after standby.
10:37:14 <flo> do we have a bug filed on it?
10:37:40 <flo> it's the "all libpurple accounts don't automatically attempt to reconnect after the connection has been offline", right?
10:38:14 <Mic> I've only seen it with standby but it sounds like it
10:38:36 <flo> I've only seen it (on my Macbook) when manually disabling the wifi
10:38:52 <flo> but everything else seemed exactly like what Windows users have been reporting/complaining about
10:39:19 <clokep> Ah.
10:39:19 <Mic> hmm, might I see it if I unplug my network cable?
10:39:33 <flo> I don't know :)
10:39:40 <clokep> I've had that before (one or two accounts won't reconnect, sometimes all of them)
10:39:54 <Mic> I'll try and sorry for leaving and joining but I don't see a way how to prevent that :D
10:40:01 <Mic> brb
10:40:06 <flo> buy another computer for the test :-P
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11:01:25 <Mic> Guido: you had a question earlier today?
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11:04:35 <Guido> yes, thats right
11:05:11 <Guido> why is the history sorted by "messengers" and not by users?
11:08:16 <Mic> What do you mean with "history"?
11:10:17 <Guido> ther is a function that you can se what you have written to someone some days ago
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11:12:19 <Mic> The log viewer is bad, that's true.
11:13:09 <Guido> but better, than without
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11:36:03 <BYK> Hola!
11:36:10 <BYK> Anyone knows something about localization?
11:36:58 <Mic> hi
11:37:24 <Mic> What do you want to know?
11:37:35 <Mic> And what do you know already? ;)
11:37:53 <BYK> Well I have cloned the repo
11:37:54 <Mic> Unfortunately I need to go but just ask and wait for someone to answer
11:38:04 <BYK> Okay
11:38:11 <BYK> I need to know which encoding should I use
11:38:13 <BYK> utf-8?
11:38:39 <Mic> Yes, I think so
11:38:44 <BYK> k
11:38:47 <BYK> Thanks =)
11:38:52 <Mic> Maybe it can be found here: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Translation/FAQ
11:39:17 <BYK> No luck, already checked =)
11:39:20 <Mic> Sorry, I really need to go and catch my bus :)
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11:50:43 <flo> BYK: yes, UTF8 everywhere :)
11:50:59 <BYK> Okay, thanks! =)
11:56:32 <FeuerFliege> BYK: UTF8 without BOM
11:56:55 <BYK> FeuerFliege: I think this should be somewhere on the wiki
12:00:46 <flo> BYK: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Translation/FAQ#Which_encoding_should_I_use.3F
12:01:11 <flo> I added it just after answering you.
12:01:28 <flo> The point of the FAQ is that we paste there the answers to questions that made sense, so that others don't have to ask again ;)
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12:02:06 <BYK> Hahaha I was about to go crazy since it wasn't there when I looked
12:02:13 <BYK> I was checking the URL's on two tabs LOL
12:02:54 <flo> BYK: I also added this line, which you may be interested in: "There's also a summary of the state of all locale repositories at http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/locales-status.html "
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12:03:26 <BYK> flo: You're great, thanks =)
12:04:02 <flo> and I've just noticed that I forgot to add you to the l10n mailing list
12:04:57 <flo> so, the main language of the google group is now english, but I still see its UI in French (with very poor translations)
12:05:23 <clokep_work> What language is this for? ( JUst curious!) :)
12:05:41 <flo> clokep_work: 2 more people in the Turkish team :)
12:06:08 <FeuerFliege> flo: Should we mention that the end of line should be Unix style (LF)?
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12:07:38 <flo> FeuerFliege: it's a wiki. You can edit it however you feel. Feel free to take over the page and rephrase whatever is incomplete / doesn't make sense :)
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12:37:11 <BYK> LF should be there IMO
12:37:35 <BYK> Btw why don't we use already existing Firefox locale files for some parts
12:37:38 <BYK> since they are exactly the same?
12:37:43 <BYK> especially the settings pages
12:37:58 <clokep_work> They are used automatically for everything inside of Mozilla. The settings page idk about.
12:38:19 <BYK> strange
12:38:53 <clokep_work> flo Would know. ;)
12:42:41 <clokep_work> I'd imagine we don't use them though because they're not /all/ the same.
12:42:50 <clokep_work> But you can grab the from the translation of Firefox anyway. :)
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12:51:38 <clokep_work> flo: Would you like me to put my IRC stuff into the build system and get it doing it that way before you review it?
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13:12:14 <flo> clokep_work: yes.
13:12:24 <flo> do you want me to push the directory changes asap then? :)
13:12:42 <flo> I'll probably have that ready to go today
13:13:24 <flo> I'm eager to start working on cleaning up the account and protocol lists. Moving files around and writing trivial Makefiles is boring ;)
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13:16:55 <clokep_work> flo: I'm actually going away this weekend, so don't worry too much about it yet. :)
13:19:37 <clokep_work> The "account and protocol lists" from a purplexpcom look I assume? Not the UI?
13:19:57 <flo> C++ -> JS rewrite
13:20:16 <flo> + cleanup the API around purpleIAccount/purpleIAccountBase/purpleIAccountsService
13:31:38 <clokep_work> Yes, I just pretend those are all an account. ;)
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14:37:56 <clokep_work> Uh-oh, two people want to do pt-BR now. ;)
14:40:04 <flo> uh
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15:14:52 <clokep_work> (Not that that's a bad thing, just observing.)
15:15:13 <flo> we need someone more active than I am to welcome them ;)
15:16:22 <clokep_work> Maybe FeuerFliege would be interested? :)
15:16:34 <clokep_work> He's a fairly active translator, right?
15:17:11 <flo> yes :)
15:18:10 <Mic1> I think he's the most active translator I've seen so far :)
15:18:38 <flo> what makes him in a good position for that is that he's active both as a translator, but also here ;)
15:18:49 <flo> but that doesn't necessarily means he's interested
15:19:34 <flo> that whole thing of "heh, you've done some good work, to reward (punish?) you, here's a lot more" is a bit weird.
15:25:44 <flo> I think I'm ready to check if Instantbird can still compile after my file moves and build system changes
15:26:23 <clokep_work> :)
15:26:26 <clokep_work> Good luck!
15:42:28 <Mic1> flo: depends on how you look at it
15:42:54 <Mic1> Being trusted with other or more important work when it turns out that you're doing a good job isn't necessarily bad ;)
15:43:46 <flo> yes, we hide the "we are going to take more of your time" aspect with the "we are trusting you more" thing. :)
15:43:56 <flo> + "that trust will be publicly visible"
15:46:21 <flo> ecaron: if I reply to a tweet sent to @instantbird, do you see it so that we don't double reply?
15:46:54 <ecaron> I'm double-checking them all now to make sure I don't look silly again, so don't worry about it.
15:47:27 <flo> errr
15:47:47 <flo> not being able to produce a usable tool to reply to a tweet probably makes us look silly, when we pretend to be a twitter client :(
15:48:08 <ecaron> We're a great Twitter client.
15:48:24 <ecaron> We're just not a corporate Twitter client oriented towards marketing communications - which is fine.
15:48:35 <ecaron> You really can't develop a solution that serves both needs well.
15:48:44 <ecaron>  /s/great/good
15:48:49 <flo> well, I would still like to see @ replies sent by the "instantbird" twitter account :)
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16:22:49 <clokep_work> But you don't see those from Twitter unless you follow both people?
16:23:00 <clokep_work> Although if you sign into the "instantbird" account, I would think you'd see them.
16:33:40 <flo> I don't.
16:44:56 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1034
16:45:06 <flo> 86 files changed, 629 insertions(+), 65 deletions(-)
16:45:13 <flo> most of the insertions are license headers of course
16:45:43 <clokep_work> Did those files not have licenses?
16:45:57 <flo> I created makefiles ;)
16:46:06 <clokep_work> Ah. :)
16:46:16 <Mook_as> why are *.jsm all Bin?
16:46:31 <flo> because hg diff --stat sucks
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16:47:03 <flo> it displays "Bin" for all files that have something changed but no line change count. (these files are just marked as renamed in the full diff)
16:47:12 <Mook_as> hah
16:47:54 <flo> hg diff |diffstat just doesn't display these lines
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17:07:16 <flo> hmm, it doesn't want to start any more, and the only error I have in the terminal is "[Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80570018 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_IID) [nsIJSCID.getService]"  nsresult: "0x80570018 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_IID)"  location: "JS frame :: resource://gre/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm :: XPCU_serviceLambda :: line 232"  data: no]". Not very helpful :-/.
17:11:24 <flo> it's surprising that running with --help is actually more helpful :-D
17:11:48 <flo> it gave me: JS Component Loader: ERROR resource:///modules/imStatusUtils.jsm:43     TypeError: imIStatusInfo is undefined
17:13:18 <flo> and know that's fixed, the application starts and works :)
17:14:19 <clokep_work> :) Push it and we'll see if nightlies work? :P
17:14:49 <flo> there's still something that doesn't work in chat/locales/Makefile.in
17:15:15 <flo> I wanted to hack it so that en-US files are found in chat/locales/en-US/, but localized files are still searched in purple/ inside the locale repositories
17:15:46 <clokep_work> Ah, so we don't need to reorganize each locale repo?
17:16:57 <flo> so we do it only once we are sure of what we are doing / almost ready to release something out of it
17:18:03 <Mic1> :)
17:27:50 <flo> ok, I think I have a better hack that actually works this time
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17:42:41 <flo> Good evening
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17:59:39 <Mic> By the way: the participant list is looking so wrong since I saw your mockups, aleth ;)
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18:05:39 <Mic> clokep_work: your LJ Talk protocol plugin doesn't work with the nightlies
18:06:55 <Mic> The "An exception occurred while initializing purplexpcom" error I saw when trying to get my VZ-Netzwerke protocol plugin to work was actually a problem with your protocol plugin (I only inserted the details of mine)
18:07:49 <Mic> The error is here: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1035
18:08:59 <aleth> heh, thanks Mic! :) I'll submit it later this evening
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18:29:05 <clokep_work> Mic: Mine works fine.
18:29:11 <clokep_work> But maybe I fixed it locally. :-/
18:33:22 <Mic> I'll look for changes if you'd send me yours.
18:34:15 <clokep_work> It's also possible it's not working and I just haven't noticed the error, but the account still shows up account in the AM.
18:34:21 <clokep_work> I can't send you them until after this weekend.
18:34:33 <clokep_work> I'd really like to in general clean up that code, especially around the username split garbage.
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18:45:25 <Mic> Don't worry, it's not urgent.
18:47:58 <clokep_work> OK! :) I'd like it if it were easy to do super simple overrides (i.e. a name + icon change).
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18:53:35 <Mic> It's working .. as long as I ignore this certificate error ;)
18:54:02 <Mic> I used the facebook protocol override as template this time
18:54:05 <clokep_work> LiveJournal or the VZ ones?
18:54:08 <clokep_work> Ah, nice. :)
18:54:11 <Mic> VZ
18:54:14 <clokep_work> I did use that a long time ago.
18:54:26 <clokep_work> LJ also was giving me a cert error. I'd like to just include the cert in the extension.
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19:06:34 <clokep_work> Have a good weekend!
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19:08:47 <Mic> You too.
19:22:10 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 952 to bug 1112.
19:22:11 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 952 on bug 1112.
19:22:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1112 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Only show active nicks in color in participant list
19:22:50 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 953 to bug 1112.
19:34:30 <Mic> flo: is there a way
19:35:04 <Mic> flo: is there a way to modify the user name of an account from  an override protocol before the account is created?
19:36:02 <Mic> I need to replace the @ in the email adress of the username to get it working for the german social networks.
19:47:13 <aleth> flo: I read your "efficient CSS" link yesterday, then had another look at the Linux conversation.css before submitting the patch on bug 1112. What do you think of these _additional_ changes to the existing CSS? Are they right/wrong/unnecessary? http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1036
19:47:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1112 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Only show active nicks in color in participant list
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20:09:55 <Mic> Do you have any bugs that you're particularly interested in, aleth?
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20:11:47 <aleth> I haven't really considered yet what to do next... still a lot of r? stuff floating around
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20:30:09 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1123 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
20:30:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1123 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tooltips of IRC contacts don't show whois information
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21:14:31 <flo> ah, that twitter issue is finally resolved :)
21:17:49 <flo> Mic: that error message (http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1035) unfortunately doesn't really say more than "Instantbird could not start" :(
21:18:21 <Mic> Yes, after looking up the code location I noticed that too :)
21:19:13 <Mic> I've got my override protocols working by now.
21:23:24 <flo> aleth: it's not totally clear to me why you are inheriting the chat attribute in so many places
21:24:06 <flo> Mic: that's usually caused by a JS file that throws an error when parsing it, typically when trying a Cu.import with a wrong path
21:24:55 <flo> I would really like to investigate that someday, and fix it so that it only makes the faulty add-on fail, rather than breaking the whole application
21:25:04 <aleth> flo: you don't have to inherit it in intermediate elements? I assumed it was required at every step in the hierarchy
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21:30:45 <aleth> right, it inherits from the binding, not from the next element up in the content hierarchy
21:31:08 <aleth> Anyway, I made those all changes mostly to see if I had understood correctly... so it was already worth it :)
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21:53:56 <flo> aleth: ok :)
21:54:14 <flo> aleth: I don't think it's the place where there are the nicest improvements to find
21:55:04 <flo> I would expect larger benefits from inheriting the status attribute
21:55:38 <aleth> flo: sure. It was just the file I happened to be editing, and I mainly thought I'd pastebin it in case there were reasons for the way it was that I did not understand, seeing as how you pay attention to these things ;)
21:55:53 <flo> aleth: things like http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/themes/blist.css#280 seem wrong for example
21:56:42 <flo> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/themes/buddytooltip.css#38 too
21:57:30 <flo> if it was done correctly, with the status attribute inherited by the element with the statusIcon class, both of these could probably use the same rule :)
21:58:16 <flo> aleth: I don't understand why you changed notificationbox to .notificationbox
21:58:33 <Mic> Awesome!
21:58:41 <aleth> those are strange
21:58:58 <flo> Mic: uh?
21:59:19 <Mic> Wait for my pastebin .. I'm just impressed that this worked right away
21:59:28 <flo> :)
21:59:40 <aleth> flo: because that "efficient CSS" page suggested "don't qualify class rules with tags"
21:59:52 <flo> aleth: ".conv-textbox { /*? why was there a textbox tag here*/" -> that's just a mistake.
22:00:19 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1037
22:00:39 <aleth> But there may be something I am missing that breaks something if changed
22:01:14 <aleth> ah, I meant  "The single biggest cause of slowdown is too many rules in the Tag Category. "
22:01:44 <flo> Mic: you have to define getIter, right? IIRC it's in a chrome file, and you are in a component
22:02:06 <aleth> That's also why I replaced the conversation[chat]'s with xbl:inherit
22:03:20 <aleth> The whole thing started because I thought "hey, flo wouldn't like the '.conv-nicklist .listcell-label' rule that's already there, for the same reason as on the inactive ones" ;)
22:03:51 <flo> aleth: I don't see why the tag category should be slow.
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22:04:13 <flo> I understand why you wanted to inherit the chat attribute :)
22:04:37 <Mic> flo: I did and it works fine.
22:04:40 <flo> but I'm still wondering for the .notificationbox, as the element doesn't seem to have that class
22:04:50 <flo> Mic: cool :)
22:05:11 <aleth> hmm, that's true. my mistake
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22:08:33 <Mic> Array comprehensions seem to be fun :)
22:09:48 <flo> Mic: and not very readable ;)
22:10:42 <Mic> True but I'm not used to them either
22:10:56 <Mic> I guess it gets better if one uses them more often
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22:26:20 <Mic> Good night
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