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My stream was empty. I tweeted something. That made appear the previous tweet, with a "6 hours N minutes" text after its bubble. And several seconds later, my new tweet appeared. 09:28:00 <flo> I don't have even the beginning of an explanation for what could have happened to produce that behavior 09:29:14 <FeuerFliege> flo: exactly the same here. My stream looked like that: 09:29:14 <FeuerFliege> 10:45:11 - foobar: bla bla 09:29:14 <FeuerFliege> 17:44:11 - me: [tweet from yesterday] 09:29:14 <FeuerFliege> 10:49:41 - me: @foobar : bla bla 09:30:15 <flo> I haven't tried to reproduce either 09:32:00 <flo> my proposal for MozCamp Europe 2011 has been accepted, so we will have an Instantbird session in the "Product & Technology Track". (that also means I have some slides to prepare ;)) 09:35:21 <Mic> That's the meeting in Berlin, isn't it? 09:35:39 <flo> yes 09:35:53 --> odiug has joined #instantbird 09:36:24 <Mic> I saw something funny on one of their pages .. let me find it. 09:36:49 <odiug> hello, 09:36:51 <odiug> is it possible to change a label name? 09:37:28 <Mic> "What is the German currency?" -> "Euros! (at least as of Oct18..)" 09:37:41 <Mic> I just hope it will stay like this for quite a while ;) 09:38:03 <Mic> odiug: Hi! What are you trying to do? 09:38:05 <flo> pfff, do they really hope we will have to use some dollars instead? :-D 09:38:20 * odiug is now known as Guido 09:39:06 <Guido> there are some labels or groups in instantbird 09:39:08 <Guido> i would like to change there names 09:39:44 <FeuerFliege> flo: No, our yellow press wants the gool olâ Deutsche Mark back. 09:40:27 <FeuerFliege> Guido: that is not possible (yet). 09:41:19 <Mic> The tags can't be renamed. 09:41:35 <Mic> You can create a new one and remove the unwanted tag from the contact(s) and add the other tag to them. 09:42:06 <Mic> This could be tedious, I admit :( 09:42:42 <flo> hiding the old tag instead of removing it from each contact can also save some time 09:42:49 <FeuerFliege> Mic: do we have a bug# for that? 09:43:24 <Guido> okee, wil it be in the next version? i just instaled instearbird and like 09:43:26 <Guido> i think i will do that tomorow (changing) 09:43:26 <Mic> FeuerFliege: I'm not sure .. not that we have 4 digit bugs it becomes too many to remember all of them 09:43:27 <Guido> perhaps there can be an add on or something like that, that you can start tis program form your internet browser (like seamonkey, thunderbird, firefox atc.) 09:43:29 <FeuerFliege> bug 1072 09:43:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1072 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Tags should be editable and/or removable 09:43:35 <Mic> *now 09:44:10 <FeuerFliege> Mic: ups, I even filed the bug myself 09:45:34 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 09:45:46 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:45:47 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 09:45:54 <Guido> i found the dutch version, but can't finde a compatiebel english dictionary. i think you are already busy with this 09:49:31 <Mic> I wish we could just install the dictionaries right from AMO (The Mozilla add-ons website). 09:50:11 <flo> I wish we could merge AIO into AMO 09:50:24 <Guido> yes, that would be great 09:51:35 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 09:52:40 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:52:40 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 09:53:09 <Guido> i really like, that you can add "different" users to one user 09:53:10 <Guido> kim @ gmail + kim facebook = kim etc. 09:54:00 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 09:54:52 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:54:52 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 09:55:23 --> FeuerFliege_ has joined #instantbird 09:57:07 <-- FeuerFliege_ has quit (Input/output error) 09:57:33 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 942 on bug 772. 09:57:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772 enh, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Use a sortComparator function on groups to allow easy changing of the order of contacts 09:57:56 <flo> I didn't think I could r- the same patch twice in a row for the "messed up indent" reason ;) 10:01:14 <Mic> Mook, Mook_as: http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7113/mookallevetaerorestyle.png - how do you like that? 10:02:07 <Mic> The lower alert is hovered (maybe this should be different whether the alert has an action connected with it or not?) 10:03:38 <Mic> Guido: yes, that's whar contacts are for. Most likely you don't care if someone is on this or that network, only that he's online at all? 10:03:39 <flo> Mic: aren't these alerts... big? Sounds nice for a 24" screen, but on a 10" netbook :-S. Maybe the size can change depending on the size of the screen? (using CSS media queries, or some JS) 10:05:17 <flo> (or just pick a smaller default size. It seems we crop the text sent to the alert service way before the limit of what you can display in such an alert) 10:05:20 <Guido> yes, exactly and it looks much beter, if you have them as one contact. it's horrible, if you have someone 4 times :-D 10:05:37 --> Guido1 has joined #instantbird 10:06:42 <Mic> This is an extension that replaces the alerts and I guess if it's too big for your screen: you better don't use it? ;) 10:06:42 <Mic> scnr 10:07:28 <-- Guido1 has left #instantbird () 10:08:52 --> Guido1 has joined #instantbird 10:09:17 <Mic> The variable width of the old alerts is awful imo, I understand why a fixed width was chosen here 10:09:45 <Mic> It might be too wide sometimes, that's true. 10:12:00 <flo> Mic: I thought the extension was an extension to experiment, and intended to be included by default once it works satisfyingly. Sorry if I misunderstood. 10:12:41 <flo> Mic: I didn't suggest a varying width depending on the content, but depending on the screen size. 10:13:24 --> em3 has joined #instantbird 10:14:09 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 10:14:16 <em3> Hey, will the English dictionary be available as an add-on? For some reason instantbird uses my native language dictionary. 10:15:25 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 10:15:34 <em3> Alternatively - if the english dictionary is installed anyway - how do I switch to it? 10:16:27 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:16:28 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:20:30 <Mic> I don't think so: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/yesterday/#m386 10:20:39 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 10:20:53 <Guido> i know some german chats and i think they work like the facebook, gmail and msn chat. it would be interesting if there would be a add on or so wich lets you add such a chat without knowing a lot about it. perhaps adding the side and trying some lees settings 10:21:28 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 10:22:08 <flo> Mic: I meant by default in Instantbird, not mozilla-central ;) 10:22:48 <flo> (even though I don't think landing in mozilla-central would require so much work... if we can figure out who a good reviewer would be :)) 10:23:21 <flo> Guido: do you have some specific example in mind of these chats? 10:24:01 <Guido> for example schulervz.net and studievz.net 10:24:44 <Guido> i think in every country are some little pages with chats 10:24:47 <Guido> in the netherlands i know hyves 10:25:42 <Guido> it would be to much work to ad al of them and make the program quite big so a opertunity, that you can ad them by your own, if you want 10:26:10 <flo> aleth: about your question related to when to put a comment or not in the code. I don't want a policy of generally adding comments because pointless comments are a waste of everybody's time (both of the writer, who is bored while writing them, and of the reader who can't know the comment is pointless until it's fully read (and the time has already wasted)) 10:27:04 <flo> aleth: so I prefer pushing to use explicit function/method/variable/parameter names, rather than putting comments explaining what they are 10:28:26 <-- devfil has quit (Client exited) 10:28:42 <flo> aleth: and then, when something was hard to figure out (we know that either because it caused a bug and we had to go back to that code to fix it, of because it's hard to understand while reviewing, or because it takes too much time to understand again what the code is doing when attempting to read the code quickly), we need to add a comment to ease the pain for the next time. 10:29:06 <flo> I hope this explains why I generally put very little comments, and sometimes put in a large comment ;). 10:30:55 <Mic> Guido, Guido1: I had an add-on that does this for mein/Studi/SchuelerVZ but it required funny things in the username (their XMPP server sucks) 10:31:22 <Mic> That's why it never became public on the add-ons website 10:37:28 <Mic> Another major release of Chrome .. I guess a typo was fixed somewhere? 10:37:33 <Mic> scnr 10:38:51 <Guido> i know nimbuzz with integreated hyves chat, but that is sometimes strange too. ther is the online icon, but the comment "offline" :-D 10:38:53 <Guido> this addon could be interisting. than i would perhaps start using studie/mein vz again. it was mor generarly. 10:40:18 <Mic> You don't need this Nimbuzz thing anymore, they have an XMPP server and if you add an XMPP account with the correct details then you can connect to *VZ with Instantbird right away 10:41:28 <Guido> i'm just thinking about stopping using nimbuzz. i only hafe to finde ot the place from the history and if i can read it without the program 10:50:37 <Guido> okee, than i have to find out the settings 10:50:53 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 938 on bug 1097. 10:50:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Tab complete is case sensitive 10:53:12 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 10:53:28 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 10:53:33 <clokep> Mic probably has them written down somewhere Guido. ;) 10:55:19 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 916 on bug 1062. 10:55:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Add "copy link to tweet" to tweet context menu 10:55:59 <Guido> i think i found the server, but the username seams to be wrong 10:59:36 <flo> clokep: about https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=920&action=diff 10:59:56 <flo> shouldn't the string be "send a message without processing commands." ? 11:00:03 <flo> (rather than "without command processing") 11:00:53 <clokep> That's fine w/ me. 11:00:56 <clokep> Sounds less technical. 11:01:04 <Mic> Guido: you need to replace the add in your emailadress with .. \40 ? 11:01:19 <Mic> I'm not sure .. that was the stupid thing that they need you to do :( 11:01:25 <Mic> *@ 11:01:34 <Guido> one \ or two? 11:01:43 <Mic> backslash fourty 11:02:06 <Mic> I think one 11:02:26 <Guido> okee, cause i found something with \ and got an error 11:02:55 <Guido> there was written \\ 11:03:12 <Mic> If one doesn't work then try two 11:03:21 <Guido> ja, thanks, it works :-) 11:03:50 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 920 on bug 1036. 11:03:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1036 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, /say does not have help information 11:04:04 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 11:04:15 <clokep> Apparently I suck at strings? ;) 11:04:20 * clokep is off to work. 11:04:24 <Mic> Their server did stupid things with offline contacts and/or names of contacts if I remember correctly. No idea if it is actually usable 11:04:34 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 11:04:46 <flo> I'm scared by the behavior of the l10n conversion hook :( 11:05:07 <flo> It just attempted to convert "440 Merge the js-proto branch." (and failed, so no damage done this time :-D) 11:06:02 <flo> clokep: "Apparently I suck at strings? ;)" They are hard to get right ;). + we should probably take some advice from someone interested in l10n each time we add one ;). 11:06:18 <flo> oops, the l10n hook failed, but we needed it to work this time, as I actually pushed new strings 11:06:19 <flo> arg :( 11:06:24 <flo> I'll need to fix it asap :( 11:06:31 <flo> anyway, away for lunch! 11:07:04 <Guido> i understand what you mean :-D schuelervz works, but studi not :-D 11:07:48 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 11:07:48 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 11:07:59 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 11:11:37 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/7e4bbbb830b7 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1036 - /say does not have help information, r=fqueze. 11:11:38 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ed7ae3c364bc - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1062 - Add 'Copy Link to Tweet' to tweet context menu, r=fqueze. 11:11:39 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/f8d66422ae98 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1087 - No entities in outgoing tweets, r=fqueze. 11:15:55 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 11:17:12 <instantbot> do.not.deliver@gmx.de added attachment 943 to bug 1071. 11:17:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Improve look of contact drop target 11:18:47 <FeuerFliege> mic: what do you think about my patch for 1071? 11:30:09 <Guido> mic: is ther somethinmg special by studivz? 11:34:10 <Mic> StudiVZ and schuelerVZ use different servers, no idea if you saw this 11:34:46 <Mic> FeuerFliege: will look at the patch later but the right padding/margin with the wide window looks strange to me 11:36:31 <Mic> I'm not happy with the look of opened contacts in general but so what ;) 11:36:58 <Mic> bbl 11:37:53 <Guido> i for studivz i tyed jabber.vz.net and jabber.studivz.net 11:41:30 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 11:41:32 <Guido> oh, it works. domain vz.net instead of studivz.net 11:41:52 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 11:42:25 <Guido> great progam :-) 11:45:45 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 11:48:42 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:48:42 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 11:50:32 <Guido> i just head a look at the history. wy is it sorted by comunity and not by users? 11:51:07 <clokep_work> Guido: It might help to note somewhere what settings you used by the way. :) (Whether it be on our wiki or somewhere...) 11:52:12 <Guido> do you mean the settings for studi and schuelervz? 11:52:25 <clokep_work> Yes. 11:52:41 <clokep_work> FeuerFliege: I like that patch, reduces the height a little bit. 11:52:54 <Guido> i will do so later (tomorrow morning i have exam) 11:53:38 <clokep_work> Good luck then! Shouldn't you be studying?! ;) 11:54:15 <Guido> i wil keep reading the book 11:54:31 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 11:55:00 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 12:07:13 <-- Guido1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 12:08:00 <FeuerFliege> is it possible to look at the saved passwords? 12:08:15 <clokep_work> FeuerFliege: Yes, they're in your preferences. 12:08:23 <clokep_work> If you open about:config. 12:08:39 <clokep_work> I forget the preferences names though. :( Search for like "account" maybe? 12:08:46 <clokep_work> (Or password probably. ;)) 12:09:02 <FeuerFliege> thx 12:09:26 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 12:11:37 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:11:37 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 12:12:13 <Mic> clokep_work: the correct settings should be somewhere on my computer and I put them into an protocol overlay add-on 12:12:50 <clokep_work> Mic: I meant online though. :) 12:12:50 <Mic> it was just not accepted because of the funny stuff that they require with the username (having to replace @ in the email adress with \40 ) 12:13:12 <Mic> I never looked at it if I can replace that automatically when setting up an account 12:13:35 <clokep_work> Right. And if the server does other funny stuff...well JS-XMPP shoul,d be more extensible. 12:13:45 <Guido> i added hyves too 12:14:37 <Guido> server: chat.hyves.nl 12:14:39 <Guido> domain: hyves.nl 12:16:54 <Mic> hmm, maybe a small webpage could be cool. Enter details, point to icon click to download generated xpi, ready to upload to AIO 12:17:17 <Mic> And it seems I missed a comma in this list ;) 12:18:17 <Guido> don't know how to do this :-S 12:18:23 <Mic> It was inactive .. I'll test and see: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/254/ 12:18:39 <Mic> Guido: sometimes I talk to myself here ;) 12:19:42 <clokep_work> Or you could just add them to https://wiki.instantbird.org/Override_Protocols ;) 12:24:19 <-- BlueMaxima has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 12:27:42 <flo> clokep_work: so for bug 750 you don't want to play more with submenus, and we take it as is? :) 12:27:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Expand Tray Icon context menu with commonly used actions 12:30:29 <clokep_work> flo: That's OK with me. I don't use a tray icon anyway and it's not like we have lots of stuff in the menu, so I agree a submenu is probably excessive. 12:35:40 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 12:36:04 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:36:04 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 12:40:25 <Mic> clokep_work: did you need to update you LJ talk protocol plugin with anything but the new component registration in the manifest file? 12:41:41 <clokep_work> Mic: I don't think so, it could probbaly take advantage of imXPCOMUtils. 12:41:54 <clokep_work> Besides that, I think everything is still in jsProtoHelper. 12:42:52 <Mic> I think I found something ... 12:43:18 <Mic> You're using XPCOMUtils.generateNSGetFactory() while my ones contain some generateModule() stuff 12:45:58 <Mic> I guess that was part of the registration stuff changes? 12:46:06 <Mic> i never really understood all that :S 12:46:49 <Mic> I guess I should replace all of them .. they're not even using jsProtoHelper 12:46:57 <Mic> *need to 12:46:58 <-- em3 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 12:47:49 <clokep_work> Mic: How could you be doing it without jsProtoHelper? 12:47:56 <clokep_work> Also did you download my code to look at it? 12:48:05 <clokep_work> The example on the webpage might not be up to date. 12:48:08 <Mic> Yes, that's how I found out the differences. 12:48:17 <Mic> (checking against your code) 12:48:20 <clokep_work> I'd really like to jus theavily comment LJ Talk and use that as an example anyway. :) 12:48:21 <clokep_work> Ah, OK. 12:48:27 <Mic> clokep_work: I guess it's just terribly out of date. 12:48:42 <clokep_work> For really simple XMPP overrides, I almost wish we could treat it as a list of servers + an icon. :-/ 12:48:46 <Mic> Something that predates jsProtoHelper? ;) 12:51:32 <clokep_work> :) 12:52:07 --> ghinda has joined #instantbird 13:00:17 <Mic> "An exception occurred while initializing purplexpcom", pffff. 13:00:20 <Mic> Not now then ;) 13:00:40 <flo> I hate that we can get that when a protocol overlay :( 13:05:05 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 13:08:08 <Mic> bye 13:08:14 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 13:12:40 <-- ghinda has quit (Client exited) 13:21:46 <-- Guido has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [SeaMonkey 2.0.14/20110420224920]) 13:22:26 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 13:26:09 --> Even has joined #instantbird 13:26:09 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 13:26:47 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 13:26:50 --> Even has joined #instantbird 13:26:50 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 13:32:01 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 13:36:45 <flo> I'm looking at the list of the files we currently have in our hg repository. 13:38:59 <flo> I'll try to reorganize our 2 instantbird/ and purple/ directory trees ASAP into these 3: instantbird/ (Instantbird specific UI and build system files), purple/ (GPL'd code used to interract with libpurple + libpurple and its dependencies) and chat/ (all the code that can be shared with Thunderbird, and should (I think) land in comm-central). 13:40:38 <flo> we may want to consider landing the instantbird/ repository into comm-central later, but that's more of a policy decision from Mozilla. If we do that, purple/ could become a separate repository for the add-on designed to integrate libpurple protocol plugins into Instantbird/Thunderbird. 13:51:17 <flo> instantbird/app/profile/{Makefile.in,extensions/Makefile.in,extensions/\{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd\}/Makefile.in} seem like they could be merged into instantbird/app/Makefile.in 13:55:07 --> Guido has joined #instantbird 13:57:17 <Guido> hello, if i change the members of a group in instantbird and start the program again, the changes are gone. i just recogniced this by the facebook contakts. the lists are imported from facebook so i think ther is a syncronisationproblem 13:57:54 <flo> Guido: the facebook contact list can only be modified from the facebook website. 13:58:16 <flo> That's the reason why I would advice to add tags rather than only remove them, and then hide the facebook tag from the list, rather than attempting to remove it 13:59:16 <Guido> so i have to delet them on facebook and make new ons in the messenger, if i want to change the members in instantbird 13:59:28 <flo> no 13:59:59 <Guido> will ther be problems with 2 times the same tak? one self made and one from facebook imported one 14:00:10 <flo> well, yes, if you were talking about the facebook groups rather than the contacts they contain :) 14:00:30 <flo> no, that will just work :) 14:00:57 <Guido> thats great :-) 14:02:01 <FeuerFliege> flo: most tweets about instantbird seem to be russian 14:02:58 <flo> FeuerFliege: the only popular website that has talked about Instantbird 1.1 is Russian. 14:03:02 <flo> so there's some logic in that ;) 14:03:30 <FeuerFliege> yeah, i noticed no major german side mentioned the 1.1 release. 14:03:52 <FeuerFliege> you should have named it 7.0.1 ^^ 14:04:20 <Guido> ther is a problem. i cant have two takes called "vriends" 14:04:29 <flo> maybe the next version should just be Instantbird 11 (just remove the dot :-D) 14:05:06 --> Guido1 has joined #instantbird 14:05:13 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 14:05:15 <-- Guido1 has quit (Quit: Guido1) 14:05:48 --> Even has joined #instantbird 14:05:48 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 14:05:53 <FeuerFliege> Guido: is one not enough? 14:06:43 <Guido> one name is imported from facebook, but i can't save changes on it in instantbird 14:07:20 <flo> http://blog.instantbird.org/2011/10/weekly-meeting-october-17-2011/ seems to me like it could be read "Instantbird 1.1 has SSL issues with Gtalk and focus issues on the buddy list." (and someone here yesterday clearly read it like that) 14:07:50 <flo> sould probably be edited to look like in http://blog.instantbird.org/2011/10/weekly-meeting-october-10-2011/ 14:08:01 <flo> s/sould/that section should/ 14:09:03 <FeuerFliege> flo: yeah, you /could/ read it that way 14:10:09 <flo> "Instantbird 1.1:" would also be renamed to "Final preparation for the Instantbird 1.1 release" 14:10:20 <flo> so that it's obvious it's not issues noticed *after* the release 14:11:03 <flo> posting something with the feedback we have received since the 1.1 release (explaining especially the SSL workaround for self signed certs) would also help :) 14:15:35 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 14:15:39 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 14:17:18 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 14:17:31 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 14:24:46 --> adev has joined #instantbird 14:26:12 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 14:26:27 --> adev has joined #instantbird 14:26:47 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 14:27:26 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 14:30:37 <flo> it's nice to read again https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759#c1 and see that what I think should be done with that bug hasn't changed even slightly since I've become a Thunderbird contractor :). 14:30:43 <instantbot> Bug 759 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reorganize purplexpcom 14:31:47 <FeuerFliege> Guido: where can you add the information in facebook? I cannot find it. I just see online / offline 14:32:45 <Guido> just on top. somtiems you write a something for al your friends 14:33:36 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 14:33:39 <Guido> there is written (in dutch) status bijwerken, foto/video toevoegen and vraag stellen 14:33:56 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 944 to bug 759. 14:33:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reorganize purplexpcom 14:34:37 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 14:34:37 <FeuerFliege> Guido: you mean the status on your wall? 14:34:44 <Guido> yes 14:35:27 <FeuerFliege> i thougt you meant a kind of away message for the chat 14:36:05 <FeuerFliege> i donât know if postings on the wall will and should be displayed in instantbird 14:36:56 <Guido> you just see wat someone postes on his own wall 14:37:18 <flo> hmm, I think the good place for nsIDockBadge* really is in mozilla-central :-/ 14:39:25 <Guido> nimbuzz suports this function (only see what others are writing on there own wall, like a status) 14:40:28 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 14:47:13 <FeuerFliege> auf wiedersehen! 14:47:16 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 14:51:17 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 14:52:17 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 15:00:25 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 15:00:57 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 15:02:44 --> adev has joined #instantbird 15:03:20 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 15:09:26 --> ecaron1 has joined #instantbird 15:09:54 * gerard-majax_ is now known as gerard-majax 15:10:36 <-- ecaron has quit (Ping timeout) 15:10:39 --> clokep_ has joined #instantbird 15:10:49 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 15:12:26 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 15:13:20 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 15:18:44 <clokep_> I agree the dock bade should be in m-c or at the very least c-c, does c-c not have that? 15:18:59 <clokep_> I can look at the reorg bug in a minute if you'd like. 15:26:17 <clokep_> Hmmm...it's just a list of files, never mind. :P 15:26:22 <clokep_> I thought it had places to move them to as well. 15:38:45 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 15:39:13 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 15:39:40 <-- Guido has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [SeaMonkey 2.0.14/20110420224920]) 15:52:06 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:52:09 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 15:55:23 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 16:01:00 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 16:11:09 <-- ecaron1 has quit (Ping timeout) 16:11:17 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 16:14:10 --> ghinda has joined #instantbird 16:27:22 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:41:10 --> Mic|web has joined #instantbird 16:47:16 --> Guido has joined #instantbird 16:47:29 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 16:48:01 --> Guido_ has joined #instantbird 16:50:23 <-- MadWookiee has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 17:00:51 <-- Guido_ has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [SeaMonkey 2.4.1/20110928161145]) 17:01:14 <-- Guido has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [SeaMonkey 2.0.14/20110420224920]) 17:04:56 * timA|away is now known as timA 17:12:17 <Mic|web> Mibbit's erratic title text behaviour totally breaks Firefox' something-happened-on-this-tab-highlight when it's pinned as app-tab :( 17:18:16 --> Guido has joined #instantbird 17:18:46 <Guido> oh, onther nice future would bea function to search your contacts in your own contact list 17:19:35 <-- Guido has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [SeaMonkey 2.4.1/20110928161145]) 17:19:49 --> Guido has joined #instantbird 17:21:17 <Mic|web> That's requested in bug 631 already :) 17:21:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Filtering buddy list 17:26:08 <-- ecaron has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 17:26:22 <clokep_> Mic|web: Yes, it sucks. 17:31:48 <Mic|web> Bye 17:31:52 <-- Mic|web has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 17:38:23 <-- clokep_ has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 17:41:39 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 17:41:39 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 18:03:13 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 18:18:27 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 945 to bug 1097. 18:18:29 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 945 on bug 1097. 18:18:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Tab complete is case sensitive 18:29:17 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 18:32:44 <clokep_work> aleth: I think in general we use let wherever we don't /have/ to use var. 18:33:55 <aleth> clokep_work: Thanks, I thought it was the other way round ;) (as let is a more recent addition afaik) 18:35:00 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 18:35:43 <aleth> Might have got that wrong somewhere else too then. 18:37:52 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 18:37:59 <clokep_work> It is more recent, but it's better scoped, so why not use it? :) 18:38:41 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 18:39:12 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 18:40:13 <-- ghinda has quit (Client exited) 18:40:51 <aleth> Makes sense. 18:41:14 <clokep_work> Yup! :) 18:41:22 <clokep_work> Not a big deal though. I still type var half the time. :( 18:42:33 --> adev has joined #instantbird 18:52:58 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 18:53:45 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.13/20101203074205]) 18:56:38 --> flo has joined #instantbird 18:56:38 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 18:57:20 <flo> using var or let indifferently isn't a problem in old code that is already full of var, but when it's in a code where there's currently no var, I prefer not adding some ;). 18:59:56 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 19:00:42 <flo> clokep_work: can we go as far as renaming all the interfaces which really shouldn't be named purpleI<something>? ;) 19:02:24 <clokep_work> flo: I'm OK with it. :) 19:02:39 <clokep_work> As long as we know we'll break code. 19:02:40 <flo> that will clearly break most add-ons ;) 19:02:50 <clokep_work> (And post on the blog about it beforehand!) 19:02:52 <clokep_work> Will it? 19:03:16 <flo> all add-ons including somewhere somehow a .QueryInterface(Ci.purpleI<something>) call will throw 19:03:39 <flo> hmm, it's possible I've put enough nsIClassInfo implementations everywhere that QI calls are rare in add-ons :) 19:05:16 <aleth> Thanks for the info 19:06:52 <clokep_work> I hope so! :) 19:06:58 <clokep_work> And if not, we should add more of them in. :P 19:08:12 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 946 to bug 1112. 19:08:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1112 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Only show active nicks in color in participant list 19:09:56 <flo> clokep_work: sometimes there are QI calls that are here really just as an assertion 19:10:35 <flo> I have some in the UI code, in some observers, so that if the type of aSubject isn't what's expected, it just throws an explicit message instead of failing with surprising errors 19:12:55 <adev> (re bug 1112, actually either text colour would be OK I think, but I do prefer the slightly larger opacity on the icons in the second variant. Then again I have been staring at minute differences too often now so feedback would be great.) 19:12:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1112 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Only show active nicks in color in participant list 19:14:58 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 19:17:09 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 19:22:23 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 19:26:54 <flo> aleth: all participants with an icon are active in your screenshot ;) 19:29:09 <aleth> oh no. sorry ;) 19:29:59 --> adev has joined #instantbird 19:30:38 <aleth> hi there instantbot 19:31:10 <aleth> instantbot: botsnack! 19:31:11 * instantbot beams 19:33:35 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 947 to bug 1112. 19:33:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1112 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Only show active nicks in color in participant list 19:35:17 --> jb has joined #instantbird 19:38:48 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 19:40:47 <flo> aleth: why do you feed the bot several times a day? Do you think it report your attachments faster if it's well fed? :) 19:41:14 <aleth> heh :) no, it was just for the screenshot, to get a few colored nicks in there 19:41:43 <flo> oh, ok :) 19:41:53 <flo> (by the way, I guessed that, but too late ;)) 19:42:05 <aleth> nad 19:42:06 <aleth> oops 19:43:33 <aleth> I hope he doesn't have tamagochii 'features' and get fat ;) 19:45:07 <flo> if it's too fat, it explodes, and then a new fresh instantbot comes ;) 19:45:38 <aleth> botspawn ;) 19:47:15 <FeuerFliege> botspawn? no problem 19:47:20 <FeuerFliege> bug 1048 19:47:33 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 19:47:33 topic changed by gravel.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird (http://www.instantbird.com) here|Get Instantbird 1.1 while it's hot! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/" 19:47:33 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 19:49:21 <flo> I almost said that FeuerFliege knew perfectly well how to make instantbot explode, but I decided to not ping you for something so useless ;) 19:49:56 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 19:50:18 <FeuerFliege> the pros and cons of a custom keyboard layout. 19:50:43 <aleth> it's bot-man :) 19:50:51 * FeuerFliege pets instantbot 19:50:52 * instantbot smiles 19:57:32 <-- timA has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 19:57:43 <aleth> IB is getting some friendly Japanese tweets :) 19:58:39 <aleth> is this true? https://twitter.com/#!/kf4yfa/status/128650636693749760 19:58:43 <aleth> an interesting concern 20:01:13 <FeuerFliege> what is jaws11 20:01:19 <flo> a screen reader 20:01:24 <flo> (nvda too) 20:01:36 <aleth> jaws is a screen reader for the visually impaired, that's all I know about it 20:01:43 <flo> both are for Windows 20:01:55 <aleth> I noticed there were some ARIA tags in the simple message style though 20:01:57 <FeuerFliege> ok. 20:02:10 <aleth> So it might actually work with that one 20:02:11 <FeuerFliege> good night. 20:02:15 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 20:03:12 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 20:03:31 <aleth> According to wikipedia jaws 12 supports ARIA 20:03:40 <aleth> fwiw 20:04:17 <clokep_work> What's ARIA? ;) 20:04:43 <aleth> That's what I asked myself when I edited that style ;) 20:04:45 <flo> something worth a let me google this for you link ;) 20:04:58 <aleth> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/WAI-ARIA 20:06:41 <flo> the "social engineering" part (= filing the bug and explaining in a way that makes seem useful for Mozilla/Pidgin something that is useful for us but only indirectly to them) is what I really dislike about upstreaming patches 20:07:13 <clokep_work> :-/ What patch are you upstreaming? 20:07:15 <flo> for Mozilla it was a lot worse at the time we needed to request approval for patches 20:07:38 <flo> clokep_work: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1031 20:07:43 <clokep_work> flo: I've started doing searches from Instantbird when buying things on Amazon. :P 20:08:25 <flo> ah, I'll need to give amazon.com wire transfer info too :) 20:12:26 <aleth> :O how do you search from Instantbird? 20:13:43 <flo> aleth: context menu on selected text in a conversation 20:14:13 <aleth> Ah yes! 20:14:43 <flo> I think adding a Google icon on the "Search Google for "<selected textg>"" item would make this more discoverable 20:15:06 <aleth> Dunno, it's where you expect it to be when you need it 20:15:12 <aleth> and consistent with FF 20:15:21 --> timA has joined #instantbird 20:15:22 <flo> but you need to know it exists, before expecting it 20:15:56 <aleth> If you don't think to context click, you won't see the icon either though 20:16:08 <flo> yeah... 20:16:41 <clokep_work> We should add /google and /amazon commands. ;) 20:16:42 <aleth> If there is ever a slow week I suppose it could be a "did you know...?" kind of blog post ;) 20:19:21 <flo> aleth: feel free to prepare some of these posts ;) 20:19:47 <flo> I'm sure ecaron will be glad to hit the publish button on them when that "slow week" happens :) 20:20:24 <clokep_work> Or I would as well. :) 20:20:32 * clokep_work wonders if there's a way to do a "guest post". 20:21:45 <flo> Eric told me that he wanted to give editor access to "lots" of people (well, whoever we think might be helpful) so that they can write posts, but not publish them, so that we can ask people around to write posts for us 20:22:13 <flo> I thought we could for example post once in a while a "Why I love Instantbird" post. 20:22:28 <flo> written by some happy user (I had deOmega in mind ;)) 20:26:08 <Guido> nice idea 20:26:33 <-- Guido has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [SeaMonkey 2.0.14/20110420224920]) 20:27:11 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 20:49:46 --> mqy has joined #instantbird 20:50:00 <-- mqy has left #instantbird () 21:05:27 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Goodnight.) 21:27:13 <flo> grr, sending a tweet made appear again my last tweet :( 21:28:45 <flo> and by looking at the error console, it's clear that this is a bug of the twitter API :( 22:00:30 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:00:30 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 22:02:10 <clokep> flo: Can we reject it somehow? 22:02:29 <flo> clokep: we ignore already displayed tweets 22:02:38 <clokep> Ah, true. 22:02:39 <flo> but as you know, old tweets are no longer loaded ;) 22:03:06 <flo> https://dev.twitter.com/issues/83 22:04:12 <clokep> Right. :P 22:04:17 <clokep> Sounds like a win for my patch. ;) 22:04:36 <flo> yeah, another :-P 22:08:53 <flo> it's too bad we don't have a /follow command yet :( 22:09:01 * flo would like to follow @twitterapi 22:09:06 <clokep> I thought about fixing the bug and didn't yet... 22:09:14 <clokep> I thought you can just do FOLLOW twitterapi 22:09:21 <clokep> (Or maybe FOLLOW @twitterapi) 22:09:24 <clokep> And it might work. 22:09:36 <flo> and will be a very public failure if it doesn't ;) 22:10:16 <flo> hmm, haven't I fixed the Add Buddy dialog for that? 22:10:28 <flo> oh, yes, I have! :) 22:10:31 <clokep> Sounds familiar, yes. 22:11:07 <-- ecaron has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 22:13:07 <flo> and we really, really need to blog about this SSL cert issue. It would be a much better link to give to people complaining, compared to a comment in an unconfirmed bug :) 22:13:24 <clokep> Yes. :) 22:14:25 <aleth> The order of blog posts unfortunately also can give the impression there is a SSL bug in 1.1 22:14:52 <aleth> because the last weekly meeting post is newer than the 1.1 announcement 22:15:30 <flo> well, there is one. But not with gtalk! :) 22:16:10 <clokep> Sorry. :( 22:17:05 <aleth> You just might get people with certificate issues going to instantbird.com and concluding "oh it's a bug" :( 22:17:43 <flo> that line isn't displayed in the short extract ib.com shows though :) 22:17:54 <aleth> and maybe they come here instead :) 22:19:19 <flo> user support is frustrating :( 22:21:34 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1032 22:21:50 <-- timA has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 22:22:09 <flo> at line 6 he is sure I'm wrong. Because you know, the cert can't be self signed because it worked with 1.0. 22:22:37 <flo> at line 11 it's totally obvious he didn't even read what I took the time to write for him at line 4 22:23:29 <flo> I'm not even sure I want to reply any more. I may become aggressive. 22:23:43 <flo> + messing up 2 separate issues in a twitter "thread" is just horrible 22:25:21 <clokep> That is frustrating. :-/ 22:27:20 <aleth> Maybe a little pause before replying again and he can reread what you sent :/ 22:27:39 <aleth> twitter's a terrible medium for support anyway 22:28:04 <flo> yeah, trying to be helpful there is just a bad idea :( 22:28:11 <flo> it's an emotion/marketing media 22:28:50 <flo> Eric already told the same person at least once that twitter is not suitable for support, and he should come on IRC so that we can better help him 22:30:45 <flo> well, I guess anybody can feel free to help him. (the twitter username is trivial to find, even though I hide it in the pastebin) 22:31:09 <aleth> you tried ;) 22:37:36 <flo> clokep: feedback welcome on https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759#c4 22:37:39 <instantbot> Bug 759 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reorganize purplexpcom 22:45:24 <flo> supporting the reporter of bug 1114 is much nicer per comparison ;) 22:45:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114 blo, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, IB Cannot Start: 0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED) [purpleICoreService.init] 22:49:34 <-- Nitrox has quit (Quit: Connection to internet lost) 22:49:46 <flo> aleth: have you read my link about writing efficient CSS? 22:50:55 <aleth> not yet... but I did half expect there might be room for improvement there ;) 22:51:55 <flo> any reason for removing the "> .listcell-iconic >" from the selectors I took the time to write to avoid you the burden of reading that document? 22:52:07 <aleth> Yes. I couldn't get it to work. 22:52:19 <aleth> probably because of the change from a class to an attribute 22:52:49 <aleth> I did read your comments you know ;) 22:53:12 <flo> why didn't you ask for help on this? :) 22:54:23 <aleth> I didn't want to bug you when I knew I should just go and read up on CSS a bit... 22:56:31 <aleth> Sorry. 22:57:23 <flo> It's ok :) 22:57:24 <aleth> Probably should have waited on submitting that patch I guess. 22:57:53 <clokep> aleth: Don't forget about pastebin! 22:58:13 <aleth> Oh. Good point. 22:58:49 <flo> by the way, have you tried to keep the GreyText color for the label but to apply the same opacity to both the label and the icon? 22:59:01 <flo> that may not actually look better, it was just an idea... 22:59:32 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 941 on bug 1112. 22:59:33 <aleth> That would be essentially the same effect as the first version of my patch 22:59:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1112 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Only show active nicks in color in participant list 22:59:39 <aleth> I think. 23:00:00 <flo> the one with hsl(0, 0%, 60%) ? 23:00:49 <aleth> Didn't I post a screenshot with color: gray first? Oh well 23:01:07 <flo> maybe 23:01:09 <aleth> On the last screenshot I posted, do you think the GrayText is too dark btw? 23:01:21 <flo> it's not super easy to know which screenshot is of which patch/modification in the bug :-/ 23:01:48 <aleth> Yes it gets really messy :( Wish there was a way to submit a patch and a screenshot in the same comment 23:02:15 <flo> aleth: honestly, the only thing I can think of when looking at these grey nicks is that bold text with a disabled color is odd. 23:02:27 <clokep> aleth: Usually it's good to version them So it's "patch v1" and "screenshot v1" 23:02:59 <flo> but I don't really want to annoy you with that, as the whole list is ugly with bold characters anyway. It's just that the font was even more ugly without bold :( 23:03:42 <aleth> It's really hard to come up with something that looks just right for that participant list :( 23:03:50 <aleth> I agree 23:04:27 <clokep> Is it becoming time to pick the one that we think looks best, land it and tweak it after we've all used it a bit? 23:05:13 <aleth> I am never sure if I am not entirely satisfied because of the general participant list design or because the colors aren't right yet 23:05:20 <flo> clokep: that's what I said in my last comment ;) 23:05:38 <aleth> Well, I'd better learn how to tune the CSS first 23:06:42 <flo> aleth: on Mac the participant have a white text shadow. I'm not sure how that will look with grey labels, and also wondering if the same idea could be reused to help improve the appearance on other OSes 23:07:11 <aleth> So on Mac the background isn't white? 23:07:14 <clokep> flo: You expect me to read all your comments? :P 23:10:32 <flo> aleth: it's blue. 23:11:02 <flo> clokep: I know you usually do (even though it may not always be the best use of your time) :) 23:11:45 <clokep> Half the time I read them when I'm barely awake though. :P 23:11:49 <clokep> Keeps my cereal company. 23:12:52 <aleth> So if I may take the shortcut and ask, why do you need a > _before_ .listcell-iconic, with nothing in front of it? That's what I didn't guess ;) 23:14:03 <aleth> feel free to tell me to just read the damn article (I will anyway) 23:14:13 <flo> clokep: oh, like I do with the irc log then :-P 23:14:37 <flo> aleth: what do you mean with "nothing in front of it"? 23:14:55 <aleth> no other class 23:15:31 <flo> do you know the meaning of the > selector, compared to a space? 23:15:58 <aleth> I thought I did, but I suppose not :( Like I said, I really need to do some reading 23:16:27 <flo> a space is a descendant. > is a direct child. 23:17:12 <aleth> Hmm that's actually what I thought :/ 23:17:28 <flo> if you put "a b", when the style system finds "b", it has to check if the parent node of b is a, then if the parent of the parent of b is a, then if ... until it reaches the root of the document, to decide the style rule doesn't match. 23:17:57 <aleth> I see. 23:17:59 <flo> if you put "a > b", when the style system finds "b", if knows the rule matches only if the parent of b is a. 23:18:07 <flo> no need to waste time checking lots of other nodes 23:18:09 <aleth> And the participant list is slow enough already ;) 23:18:43 <flo> right! :) 23:19:37 <aleth> Sorry about the screenshot confusion btw, it would have been better to obsolete the previous ones whenever the implementation changed (as it did twice) 23:19:42 <flo> (by the way, there are lots of CSS rules in Instantbird that could be improved based on what that document explains. It's just too bad I hadn't read it before starting the project :-(. But I'd prefer avoiding adding more inefficient rules) 23:20:15 <aleth> I think I picked up some bad ideas by "learning" from the CSS in message styles 23:20:55 <flo> that's quite possible, it's the place where I would start looking if I wanted to go and optimize some CSS stuff :-D. 23:21:25 <aleth> e.g. clokeps' suggestion with the attribute makes perfect sense once you realise the distinction there is meant to be 23:21:26 --> BlueMaxima has joined #instantbird 23:21:44 <flo> the class was more efficient :-P. 23:21:51 <aleth> oh damn :p 23:22:07 <aleth> want me to revert it then? :) 23:22:09 <flo> but it's right that we tend to use attributes in that case 23:22:20 <aleth> (why btw?) 23:22:20 * clokep was just going with what we've been doing. 23:22:29 <aleth> cos it's just another descendant? 23:22:37 <flo> and it's not a "more efficient" that means the new code would be terribly slow 23:22:40 <aleth> umm direct child 23:22:49 <aleth> parent 23:22:53 <aleth> (ok am getting tired) 23:22:56 <flo> aleth: class names have a special handling in the css engine. 23:23:10 <clokep> flo: Is bug 750 r+ then? 23:23:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Expand Tray Icon context menu with commonly used actions 23:23:27 <clokep> (Trying to clean out my bugs. :)) 23:23:33 <clokep> Can I mark my own bugs fixed or is that not kosher? 23:24:20 <flo> the last 3 I pushed? 23:24:24 <flo> I hoped you would. 23:24:32 * flo was lazy/tired yesterday 23:24:45 <clokep> K, I'll do it now. 23:24:56 <aleth> flo, clokep: But seriously, since I have to change it again anyways, should I go back to the class version if speed really matters in this instance? I don't mind either way 23:25:08 <flo> no 23:25:10 <flo> keep it the way it is :) 23:25:47 <flo> the speed difference is probably very small 23:26:02 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1087 to FIXED. 23:26:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1087 nor, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, No entities in outgoing tweets. 23:26:52 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1062 to FIXED. 23:26:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 nor, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Add "copy link to tweet" to tweet context menu 23:27:13 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1036 to FIXED. 23:27:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1036 tri, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, /say does not have help information 23:29:04 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 921 on bug 750. 23:29:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Expand Tray Icon context menu with commonly used actions 23:32:05 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 945 on bug 1097. 23:32:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Tab complete is case sensitive 23:37:03 <flo> aleth: is the patch from bug 1097 worth committing with your real name? ;) 23:37:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Tab complete is case sensitive 23:37:26 <aleth> nah, that's fine for now ;) 23:40:48 <aleth> Aha! 23:40:51 <aleth> I get it now, what I did wrong with the > ... 23:41:03 <aleth> Thanks 23:42:23 <flo> what was wrong? :) 23:42:34 <flo> (it's interesting to learn from other's mistakes ;)) 23:43:09 <aleth> .listitem-iconic[inactive] > .listcell-label fails (what I had tried before the previous patch) 23:43:34 <aleth> > .listitem-iconic[inactive] > .listcell-iconic > .listcell-label makes no sense (how I understood your comment from earlier when I first read it) 23:44:46 <aleth> It was the "duplication" of .listcell-iconic that I didn't realise the need for 23:45:14 <aleth> sorry, the second snippet should read "> .listitem-iconic[inactive] > .listcell-label" 23:45:34 <clokep> Do we have other open Twitter announces besides the one deOmega just filed? 23:46:56 <flo> you meant annoyances? 23:47:29 <aleth> there's the one with the incorrect character limit counting when a URL is present 23:47:36 <flo> the lack of entities in outgoing messages (which you fixed! :)) was pretty annoying 23:47:48 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/9ff5edcb1619 - aleth - Bug 1097 - Tab complete should be case sensitive only if at least one uppercase letter has been typed, r=fqueze. 23:47:49 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/893f46ec629d - Patrick Cloke - Bug 750 - Expand Tray Icon context menu with commonly used actions, r=fqueze. 23:48:19 <flo> aleth: uh, yeah... hard to fix though :( 23:56:49 <clokep> Annoyances, yes. Sorry. :) 23:57:55 <clokep> Tomorrow's nightly should be nice! :) 23:58:24 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 750 to FIXED. 23:58:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750 enh, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Expand Tray Icon context menu with commonly used actions 23:59:01 <flo> clokep: because of the case insensitivity of the completion? :) 23:59:41 <clokep> Because all the bugs I fixed. :P