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00:01:57 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com added attachment 929 to bug 772. 00:01:58 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 929 on bug 772. 00:01:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772 enh, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Use a sortComparator function on groups to allow easy changing of the order of contacts 00:13:34 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 00:21:10 <Novarg> so, may I ask what the next milestones are? :) 00:21:28 <Novarg> or rather, the next planned features? 00:24:26 <Novarg> just found a rudimentary roadmap in the wiki 00:24:49 <clokep> Novarg: http://blog.instantbird.org/2011/10/weekly-meeting-october-17-2011/ has some of what wants to be done for 1.2. 00:25:25 <Novarg> ah I of course missed the chatlogs before 00:26:06 <Novarg> so the next meeting takes place this evening? 00:26:06 <clokep> But that kind of just has some of the vague plan. 00:26:19 <clokep> The roadmap of the wiki is kind of a "to do eventually" if I remember... 00:33:58 <-- v17al has quit (Ping timeout) 00:40:58 --> v17al has joined #instantbird 00:58:24 <-- billysanca has quit (Connection reset by peer) 00:58:35 --> billysanca has joined #instantbird 01:03:06 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 01:03:31 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 01:15:53 <-- devfil has quit (Client exited) 01:57:54 <-- ironhead has quit (Ping timeout) 02:11:22 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 02:31:35 <-- billysanca has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 02:37:37 --> billysanca has joined #instantbird 03:46:57 --> flo has joined #instantbird 03:46:58 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 03:53:07 <-- lewellyn has quit (Ping timeout) 03:53:37 --> lewellyn has joined #instantbird 04:22:15 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 04:23:57 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 04:49:09 --> jb has joined #instantbird 04:59:03 --> MattATobin has joined #instantbird 05:09:23 <-- v17al has quit (Ping timeout) 05:17:27 --> v17al has joined #instantbird 05:28:38 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 05:35:53 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 06:13:19 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 06:16:08 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 06:40:39 --> BlueMaxima has joined #instantbird 07:24:58 --> MadWookiee has joined #instantbird 07:35:04 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 07:42:29 --> jb has joined #instantbird 08:26:17 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 08:26:29 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:26:29 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 08:27:13 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 08:27:22 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:27:22 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 08:32:49 * timA is now known as timA|away 08:45:57 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 08:47:14 <FeuerFliege> hello 08:54:47 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:54:47 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 08:56:50 --> Nitrox has joined #instantbird 09:01:24 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 09:08:20 --> xael-fry has joined #instantbird 09:10:12 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Input/output error) 09:27:45 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 09:41:06 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 09:41:15 --> Even has joined #instantbird 09:41:15 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:44:00 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 09:44:09 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 09:45:22 <-- xael-fry has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 09:53:58 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 10:00:44 <-- BlueMaxima has quit (Ping timeout) 10:03:02 --> BlueMaxima has joined #instantbird 10:10:12 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 10:13:42 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:13:42 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:14:30 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 10:32:03 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 10:34:51 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:34:51 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:41:59 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 10:44:53 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 10:49:35 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 10:51:28 --> gmoro_ has joined #instantbird 10:53:05 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 10:53:42 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 10:59:20 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 11:13:48 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 11:16:58 <-- billysanca has quit (Ping timeout) 11:36:38 <-- v17al has quit (Ping timeout) 11:39:36 <Mic> aleth: on bug 1112: why don't you use CSS and an attribute/class on participants to do the color change? This way you'd only need to set or unset the attribute to change the color. 11:39:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1112 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Only show active nicks in color in participant list 11:39:54 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 11:41:14 <Mic> You could e.g. apply the desaturation filter if someone's inactive: insertCorrectTagOrClassHere[inactive] {filter: desaturate..blabla } 11:41:55 <Mic> This might be good since it would affect the mdoe-icon too if I'm not mistaken 11:44:35 --> v17al has joined #instantbird 11:46:00 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:46:01 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 11:47:32 <clokep_work> Mic: Excellent idea! :) 11:47:43 <clokep_work> + it would make it themeable, right? 11:47:46 <Mic> I'm commenting on the bug, you might want to read it 11:52:56 <clokep_work> Will do. 11:53:50 <aleth> Mic: two thoughts - I don't think inactive should be == desaturated, they indicate different things. 11:54:43 <aleth> And I would be hesitant to introduce additional css requirements for message styles 11:55:53 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 11:57:52 <aleth> I am a bit worried about adding to the baroque structure that is the message style system... 12:00:59 <Mic> I commented there btw. 12:02:38 <aleth> As far as I can see, the only thing going the CSS route would add is themeability, at the cost of not working for existing message styles. Not saying it's a bad idea, but there is a tradeoff. 12:02:39 <aleth> The discussion about whether or not do add a time-based system seems an independent issue to me. 12:03:21 <Mic> This is completely independent of message styles. 12:03:32 <aleth> How so? 12:04:12 <aleth> If it's independent of message styles, what do you gain by setting the color/style of the nick that way? 12:04:29 <aleth> Maybe I am misunderstanding your idea 12:04:54 <Mic> being able to set and unset the (in)active without having to go through the calculation of the color again and again. You toggle an attribute on the participant and be done. 12:05:09 <Mic> And it's not a hardcoded style either. 12:07:00 <aleth> I don't think the calculation of the color is that high a cost, though your approach would be more elegant ;) But what do you mean by not hardcoded? 12:08:40 <aleth> I think if a time-based system for turning people inactive were to be added, that would be a separate discussion as to how best to implement it. For instance, what's the timeout and where is it set? Is there only active/inactive or should the nick color 'fade' (e.g. via opacity or desaturation)? 12:08:44 <Mic> That it's in a css file and could easily be changed by a theme (or maybe userchrome?) 12:09:22 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:09:22 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 12:09:43 <Mic> aleth: sure the details would have to be discussed but the current definition of active/inactive in the bug just seems wrong to me 12:09:55 <aleth> It would be in a CSS, but it would still represent a binary state change 12:10:11 <Mic> If you keep your program running for days, why would it matter that someone actually said something days ago? 12:10:31 <Mic> In my opinion it is useless if it does not get unset after a certain time 12:10:54 <aleth> I did mention that in my initial post on the bug ;) 12:11:06 <clokep_work> Also, this is entirely indepentend of message styles as Mic pointed out. 12:11:12 <clokep_work> Or at least the control that message styles have. 12:11:32 <clokep_work> But let me read my email first. ;) 12:11:33 <Mic> aleth: why would one want such a behavior? 12:12:36 <aleth> Mic: because it's better than the status quo and a time-based reversal can be added as a second step when it has been discussed :) 12:13:01 <aleth> The issue of whether to encode the inactive styling in CSS or not is an independent one 12:13:53 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 12:14:49 <clokep_work> I agree it's a different issue, re-making people inactive can be done as a follow up, BUT I think Mic is right that we should set the participant's color once and then use an attribute to affect when they're "inactive". 12:14:51 <aleth> Actually I think you're right on the CSS thing, it would be a better way to code it. 12:15:26 <aleth> All I was trying to avoid is having that CSS part of the message style ;) 12:16:55 <Mic> I still don't understand why you think this could possibly be related to message styles. 12:16:55 <aleth> I got confused because you mentioned desaturation, which I associated with context messages, which are a different thing altogether 12:16:57 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 12:16:57 <clokep_work> It's not part of the message style, it's part of the Instantbird theme. 12:17:23 <Mic> aleth: I suggested desaturation for the following reason that I forgot to mention: 12:18:06 <Mic> The bright yellow operator icon for Even (who's shown as inactive at this moment) looks distracting in your screenshot 12:18:37 <Mic> Completely greyscaling might make it easy to confuse with the half-operator icon 12:18:47 <Mic> *greyscaling it 12:19:04 <aleth> I would agree if you swap desaturation for opacity 12:19:10 <Mic> So I looked for something that fits the requirements 12:19:13 <aleth> But that's nitpicking 12:19:49 <Mic> Sure, try reducing the opacity then 12:19:53 <aleth> I see the same problem you do, but I don't mind the yellow so much as you. 12:21:07 <aleth> However whether opacity or desaturation, I think it is important that there be a really strong visual difference between inactive and active - it is incredibly useful. Desaturation/Opacity would have to be pretty strong to work, and then you would find the different star colors difficult to distinguish 12:21:32 <Mic> Just try a few things and decide what might be best 12:21:48 <Mic> Should be easily when you've put the style into a CSS rule. 12:22:55 <aleth> But whether to apply that CSS rule to the icons/stars or not is still a decision that has to be made 12:23:06 <aleth> I am not sure it's a good idea 12:23:44 <clokep_work> But you can still do that easily in the CSS I believe. 12:25:02 <clokep_work> Mic: Can you reply to that message receive on the mailing list about Steam? I think it's in German. I translated it and it seems to make sense, but I don't trust Google Translate. :( 12:25:10 <clokep_work> (Not necessarily now, just eventually. :-D) 12:25:21 <MadWookiee> I see i'm not alone to cry with the color management ;) 12:31:12 <Mic> clokep_work: I wanted to and I looked up some stuff on Steam already 12:32:01 <Mic> I never actually used it and it seems that there's not much we can do. There's one c# based open source chat client that *claims* to work but I don't know for sure 12:34:51 <Mic> hmm :) 12:35:05 <Mic> We could transition/animate between the different activity states :) 12:35:26 <Mic> bbl 12:35:46 <clokep_work> Mic: There's a Pidgin plug-in for it I believe. 12:36:06 <clokep_work> Mic: http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-opensteamworks/ 12:38:27 <Mic> http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-opensteamworks/source/list 12:38:33 <Mic> Author: eionrobb 12:38:53 <Mic> A recurring name ;) 12:39:21 <clokep_work> Yeah, I figured it was. :) 12:39:28 <clokep_work> Unfortunately it sounds like it has a lot of dependencies. :_X 12:40:52 <Mic> I'm really away now. 12:44:02 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1113 filed by jahkae@gmail.com. 12:44:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1113 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Twitter timeline retrieval option 12:47:58 <aleth> Side remark: Currently, if you were to run IB IRC for days without closing the conversation, you would run into trouble as the conv would take longer and longer to open when it is retrieved from on hold. 12:48:20 <aleth> At least for a reasonably heavily used channel, even like this one... 12:48:43 <clokep_work> Yes. :( But hopefully we can fix that. 12:49:52 <-- BlueMaxima has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 12:53:22 --> BlueMaxima has joined #instantbird 13:08:31 <instantbot> pgeremia@centripetalnetworks.com added attachment 930 to bug 1103. 13:08:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1103 blo, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, MSN or Google Talk account causes Instantbird to crash 13:14:39 <aleth> clokep_work: I think someone in IRC even posted a crash for a tab following some heavily used twitter tag 13:18:00 --> flo has joined #instantbird 13:18:00 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 13:18:19 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 13:18:34 <Mic> I'm not sure if this is a stupid question but: could it be that it's not possible to use Object.keys() (or stuff like JSON.stringify) on xpconnect wrapped objects? 13:19:10 <flo> hello :) 13:19:36 <flo> It seems like I should put my 2 cents in bug 1112, but I haven't read all the comments yet 13:19:36 <Mic> Good morning (?), flo 13:19:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1112 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Only show active nicks in color in participant list 13:19:51 <flo> Mic: thanks :). Good afternoon ;) 13:20:07 <flo> clokep_work: what do you think about bug 1113? 13:20:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1113 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Twitter timeline retrieval option 13:23:33 <aleth> flo: I will respond with something better organised at bug 1112 too later when I have more time 13:23:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1112 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Only show active nicks in color in participant list 13:23:51 <flo> aleth: I'll read the comments eventually anyway ;) 13:24:35 <aleth> flo: right now you should probably enjoy Californie :D 13:26:01 <Mic> flo, clokep_work: any idea on the xpconnect wrapped object thing that I asked about above? 13:27:56 <flo> Mic: I wouldn't expect these to work on an xpconnect wrapper. 13:28:33 <flo> are you trying to just JSON.stringify a purpleIMessage instance? ;) 13:28:40 <-- MattATobin has quit (Ping timeout) 13:28:41 <Mic> Yes, exactly 13:28:51 <Mic> Would have been too easy ;) 13:29:24 <flo> Object.keys returns an empty array? fails? 13:29:41 <flo> (I'm curious of what it does, even though I don't expect it to do what you would like) 13:31:31 <Mic> When printing it to the error console it resulted in an empty string and no error, I haven't looked any closer at it. 13:32:08 <flo> maybe you can try Object.keys(msg.purpleIMessage) ? :-D 13:33:00 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 13:34:58 <Mic> It seems to work :) 13:37:39 <flo> surprising :-D 13:37:43 <Mic> Thanks .. 13:38:11 <Mic> Next thing: trying to load it again :) 14:04:12 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:04:49 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:17:23 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 14:28:23 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 14:42:31 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 14:46:55 <-- v17al has quit (Connection reset by peer) 14:47:00 --> v17al has joined #instantbird 14:47:11 <clokep_work> flo: It's not a Twitter issue, it's a larger Instantbird issue IMO. (bug 1113) 14:47:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1113 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Twitter timeline retrieval option 14:47:24 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes some one reported a crash, it's an issue. I agree. 14:48:35 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:48:59 <-- BlueMaxima has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 14:49:32 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:49:38 <flo> clokep_work: I think it's mostly a twitter issue, but I don't have time anymore to discuss it now 14:50:29 <flo> I'm wearing an Instantbird tshirt today. During breakfast someone came to my table saying "hey, are you somehow working on the Instantbird project? I'm using it! I like it. I contributed an emoticon theme and reported a few bugs a while ago!" :-) 14:50:56 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 14:52:56 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 14:55:42 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 14:55:43 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 14:56:02 <clokep_work> Ah awesome. :) Someone we know? 14:56:14 <clokep_work> And I think it's mostly an Instantbird issue, but actually a logging issue in general. 14:56:32 <clokep_work> It could be fixed at the Twitter protocol level probably, but I think it's the wrong place to do it. 14:59:04 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 14:59:21 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 14:59:48 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 14:59:48 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 15:01:49 <Mic> clokep_work: could be enough information to figure out who it was ;) 15:02:53 <Mic> hmm :( 15:04:53 <Mic> ~eight seconds until 300 messages #ubuntu were shown again completely after restoring a channel. 15:06:40 <Mic> hmm, no. Close to 700 with system messages but still :S 15:07:13 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 15:08:13 <clokep_work> That's too long. :-/ 15:09:14 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 15:09:25 * timA|away is now known as timA 15:12:11 <Mic> Maybe I should compress the json logs when closing them .. 340kB were reduced to 34kB zipped! Even though I hope I don't have to produce hundres of MBs to make something useful with it ;) 15:15:44 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 15:22:56 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 15:25:14 <-- mokush has quit (Client exited) 15:29:14 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 15:36:11 <-- v17al has quit (Ping timeout) 15:36:53 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 15:45:25 --> v17al has joined #instantbird 15:47:12 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:49:23 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 15:50:16 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 15:52:22 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 15:52:40 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 15:54:17 --> flo has joined #instantbird 15:54:17 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 16:00:53 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 16:02:10 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 16:03:01 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 16:07:48 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:18:07 <-- mokush has quit (Client exited) 16:33:48 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 16:34:47 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 16:38:30 <-- MadWookiee has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 16:38:38 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:41:17 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 16:41:35 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Input/output error) 16:51:09 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 16:51:52 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 16:52:45 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:52:48 --> jb has joined #instantbird 17:01:30 --> Mic|web has joined #instantbird 17:01:37 <Mic|web> Hi 17:01:45 <Mic|web> I guess we skip the meeting stuff today? 17:07:23 <aleth> I guess... 17:09:08 <clokep_work> You guys were supposed to have it! ;) 17:09:43 <Mook_as> start of meeting --> | | <-- end of meeting 17:09:45 <Mook_as> done ;) 17:09:57 <aleth> :) 17:11:32 <aleth> Has there been much feedback on 1.1 apart from the SSL stuff? e.g. people liking conversations on hold? 17:13:49 <Mic|web> I guess we could sum up what happened in the last week? 17:14:14 <Mic|web> and clokep_work seems to have some stuff he's currently working on? 17:15:14 <clokep_work> What stuff have i been working on? :( 17:15:27 <clokep_work> aleth: Not too much feedback apart from SSL stuff, no. 17:15:29 <Mic|web> Having you attached several patchs to some bugs? 17:15:33 <clokep_work> I've personally received some feedback though. 17:15:39 <clokep_work> Yes, so has aleth! :) 17:15:45 <clokep_work> No major bugs though. 17:15:47 <aleth> what, clokep, no $SECRIT_PROJECT? 17:15:53 <aleth> ;) 17:16:43 <aleth> (I guess JS-IRC counts as a whopper) 17:17:58 <clokep_work> I haven't worked on it in the past week. :P 17:20:25 <Mic|web> Anyways, I started https://etherpad.mozilla.org/instantbird-weekly-meeting-20111024 17:20:57 <Mic|web> clokep: should I add that you were working on some Twitter papercut bugs (entities/context menu)? 17:22:41 <aleth> Afaik there is no finished work that isn't in a review queue, and no negative feedback that hasn't been filed as bugs? So that part is already documented 17:25:37 <aleth> Just searched for instantbird on twitter - there are some Chinese tweets, e.g. "In addition to the interface of the cottage looked a little cute (but unfriendly operation)". Hmm google translate 17:26:09 <aleth> A 17:26:46 <aleth> "But leave me out of an input field but not fatal. Afraid to shine in the wrong not use it. Abyss of shame" -?? 17:27:13 <aleth> that one was Japanese afaik 17:31:14 <Mook_as> aleth: which specific tweets? 17:32:21 <aleth> https://twitter.com/#!/hwangziwhen/status/128345996609597440 17:32:44 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 17:32:50 <aleth> https://twitter.com/#!/papa_to_juju/status/128300897271939072 17:33:33 <aleth> there are a couple more, e.g. https://twitter.com/#!/gqpx/status/128119764626321408, so there seems to be some buzz 17:33:34 <Mook_as> tried ib for three days; feels like a ripoff version of pidgin; other than the interface being a bit cute (but not user-friendly) can't find anything good with it... Miranda is still more powerful 17:34:23 <clokep_work> Mic|web: Yes. 17:34:28 <Mook_as> can't understand the japanese one, sorry. and the third one is some confused mess of RTs about not being able to login (via something else). 17:34:49 <aleth> :/ oh well. Thanks for translating! 17:34:58 <Mic|web> clokep_work: sorry, what did you mean? 17:35:06 <clokep_work> Mic|web: Re the apapercut bugs. 17:35:12 <Mic|web> ah, ok. 17:35:13 <clokep_work> Another meeting. bbl 17:35:27 <Mic|web> I'm away now but I hope I can add some stuff later today. 17:36:33 <Mic|web> We didn't have any press coverage on the 1.1 release? Is that worth to be mentioned? Maybe as "improve on this" 17:36:41 <Mic|web> bye 17:37:05 <-- Mic|web has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 18:04:00 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 18:08:32 <-- v17al has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 18:34:11 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 18:38:36 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 18:39:14 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 18:42:49 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 18:55:41 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 19:01:35 <-- mokush has quit (Client exited) 19:21:50 --> chrisccoulson_ has joined #instantbird 19:22:35 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 19:26:56 * chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson 19:37:25 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 20:22:30 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:22:40 <-- gmoro_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) 20:46:04 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 20:59:51 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 21:06:18 --> flo has joined #instantbird 21:06:18 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 21:09:33 <flo> It's nice to have some free wifi in the airport :) 21:10:03 <ecaron> Any thoughts on how I can get more logging to track down bug 1076? 21:10:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1076 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Messages randomly getting lost in the background 21:12:03 <flo> clokep: yes, it's "mostly an Instantbird issue" in the sense that it sucks we aren't showing a few context messages from the logs when reopening a conversation 21:12:50 <flo> but I still tend to think it should be fixed in twitter because it's an 1.1 regression to miss some twitter messages because of this 21:13:54 <-- micahg_ has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:14:08 <flo> Mic: filling in the nick list may have taken some of these 8 seconds to restore #ubuntu ;) 21:14:26 --> micahg_ has joined #instantbird 21:15:40 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Client exited) 21:16:25 <flo> Mic: we may want to have JSON logs by default (at least for Thunderbird). At least, we need a machine-parsable log format for Thunderbird. ;) 21:24:26 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 21:31:03 <flo> ecaron: well, I guess it would be nice to know if Instantbird is calling window.getAttention and it doesn't work, or if it fails to call it for some reason. 21:31:37 <ecaron> Would that get logged in the error console messages screen? 21:31:53 <flo> what? 21:32:29 <ecaron> How can I know if that's happening? 21:32:43 <flo> not exactly sure 21:33:01 <flo> a few random ideas: edit the code and inserts something that goes to the error console just before and just after the call. 21:33:57 <flo> create an add-on (so as to not edit the application files) that replaces the window.getAttention method with a JS method dumping something to the error console before calling the original method, and dumping another message after 21:34:18 <flo> nothing really easy 21:35:45 <flo> I assume you have already checked several times that there's no JS error in the error console when this happens? 21:36:16 <flo> or have you always noticed the problem way to late (when closing instantbird) for anything to be still visible in the error console? 21:36:51 <ecaron> no, i'm catching it more often now that i have popup alerts on 21:36:59 <ecaron> i don't see anything in the error console ever related 21:37:22 <ecaron> just the typical msn connection and image corrupt images 21:37:23 <flo> or not apparently related, just something unusual would be interesting ;) 21:38:05 <flo> you have already tried on a clean profile, right? 21:38:31 <ecaron> ... no, i haven't 21:38:35 <ecaron> i'll start a fresh one tomorrow 21:39:00 <flo> do you have any add-on using the interruption manager? 21:39:53 <flo> I wonder if we should add a try{} catch(e) {Cu.reportError(e);} at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/modules/ibInterruptions.jsm#62 21:40:30 <flo> It sounds like a broken add-on throwing there would prevent ALL interruptions :-/ 21:41:50 <ecaron> atm, i'm not using any addons because i thought that might be causing it 21:42:00 --> adev has joined #instantbird 21:42:23 --> MattATobin has joined #instantbird 21:44:04 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 21:50:06 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 21:51:15 * timA is now known as timA|lateLunch 21:51:26 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 21:53:15 --> adev has joined #instantbird 21:53:42 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 21:53:53 --> adev has joined #instantbird 21:54:27 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 21:54:28 --> adev has joined #instantbird 21:54:45 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 21:59:03 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 22:00:17 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 22:01:43 --> flo has joined #instantbird 22:01:43 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 22:02:27 --> adev has joined #instantbird 22:03:04 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 22:04:08 --> mib_0xtp58 has joined #instantbird 22:05:22 <-- Nitrox has quit (Quit: Connection to internet lost) 22:06:18 <flo> aleth: it doesn't need to be complicated ;) 22:10:33 <aleth> XUL is amazing sometimes ;) 22:14:39 <flo> aleth: is there some question a should have answered in/about that bug that I've missed? 22:14:55 <flo> (I'm going offline very soon, my plane is boarding) 22:15:34 <aleth> Well, if you know a way of getting the outgoing message color out of the message style... ;) 22:15:42 <flo> there's no such thing. 22:16:08 <flo> nothing forces theme authors to use a different color for outgoing/incoming messages 22:16:20 <aleth> Sure, but _some_ color is used. 22:16:50 <flo> well, whatever style the theme authors apply to the .incoming or .outgoing message classes is used 22:16:53 <aleth> Shouldn't the user's messages ideally always be the same color independent of which tab he is in? 22:17:17 <flo> yeah... 22:17:32 <flo> but if you keep a color based on the nick, you are stuck if the user has several accounts with different nicks ;) 22:18:10 <aleth> Not if the nick color is set to the .outgoing color ;) 22:18:42 <-- mib_0xtp58 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 22:18:42 <aleth> i.e. IB at present has outgoing messages always in the .outgoing color and the MUC nick color set incorrectly (doesn't match but depends on nick) 22:18:47 <flo> If you want to decide that in MUCs for message styles that reuse nick colors from the participant list the outgoing messages will have the color of the user's nick in that list, I guess I'll accept that 22:20:10 <aleth> That's what clokep suggested and is all I know how to do at present. If there were a reasonable way to get at the .outgoing color to use it to set the nick color too it could be avoided 22:20:29 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 22:20:39 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 22:20:41 <aleth> Anyway, have a good flight :) 22:27:46 <-- ecaron has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 22:28:48 --> adev has joined #instantbird 22:29:40 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 22:30:15 * timA|lateLunch is now known as timA 22:42:59 --> adev has joined #instantbird 22:43:21 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 22:44:52 --> adev has joined #instantbird 22:45:07 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 22:46:46 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:46:46 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 22:52:49 --> adev has joined #instantbird 22:53:39 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 22:54:16 --> adev has joined #instantbird 22:54:50 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 22:55:30 --> adev has joined #instantbird 22:58:12 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 22:58:17 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:00:35 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:00:40 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:01:03 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:02:08 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:02:19 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:02:34 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:03:00 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:03:15 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:03:55 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:04:33 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:05:27 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:06:07 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:06:40 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:07:26 * timA is now known as timA|brb 23:07:35 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:07:51 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:08:03 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23:08:17 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:08:23 <-- adev has quit (Quit: adev) 23:10:32 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:10:47 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:11:05 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:11:16 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:11:45 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:12:09 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:12:13 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:12:37 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:12:57 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:13:19 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:13:33 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:14:03 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:14:14 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:14:30 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:14:41 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:14:59 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:15:07 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:18:48 <adev> hi instantbot 23:18:49 <instantbot> adev! dude! 23:19:20 <aleth> hey, he has more than one response ;) 23:19:56 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:22:14 <clokep> Yes, it's from a list of them. 23:22:24 <clokep> :) 23:22:28 <clokep> He's quite smart. ;) 23:24:00 --> ironhead has joined #instantbird 23:26:56 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 931 to bug 1112. 23:26:57 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 927 on bug 1112. 23:26:58 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 931 on bug 1112. 23:26:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1112 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Only show active nicks in color in participant list 23:27:47 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 932 to bug 1112. 23:29:05 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:30:37 <-- devfil has quit (Client exited) 23:30:37 <aleth> oops wrong screenshot :/ 23:30:58 <adev> instantbot: botsnack 23:30:59 * instantbot smiles 23:31:22 <adev> :) 23:31:53 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:35:44 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 933 to bug 1112. 23:35:45 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 931 on bug 1112. 23:35:46 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 933 on bug 1112. 23:35:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1112 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Only show active nicks in color in participant list 23:36:34 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 934 to bug 1112. 23:37:36 * timA|brb is now known as timA 23:41:36 --> v17al has joined #instantbird 23:42:47 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:43:32 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:43:36 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:43:54 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:44:07 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:45:30 <adev> one could go even paler with the inactive color... 23:45:50 <clokep> Looks great aleth! 23:47:41 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:48:18 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:49:14 <aleth> I think I'll add another screenshot to demonstrate 23:52:13 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 935 to bug 1112. 23:52:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1112 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Only show active nicks in color in participant list 23:54:29 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:54:34 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:54:45 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:55:54 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:56:21 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 23:56:23 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:56:28 <-- ironhead has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 23:57:16 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:58:10 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:58:58 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 23:59:01 --> adev has joined #instantbird 23:59:16 <-- adev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre)