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00:02:40 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 00:03:57 * timA is now known as timA|away 00:08:29 <-- ecaron has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 00:10:22 <aleth> Trying to change a content element inside an XBL with an add-on is proving a bit hopeless to me 00:11:44 <aleth> Those elements are, well, encapsulated 00:15:22 <Mook_as> yep, that's the kind of the point 00:15:42 <Mook_as> your best bet is probably provide an alternative binding (that extends the original) and substitute the content 00:15:59 <Mook_as> but that means copying the whole thing over and dying when it changes 00:16:19 <aleth> Might work, but would be terribly hacky 00:16:30 <aleth> bound to be incompatible with other stuff 00:17:11 <aleth> At least if I write it ;) 00:18:06 <aleth> Hmm, maybe using the DOM when an instance is created 00:32:17 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 00:47:58 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: gone) 00:50:58 --> BlueMaxima has joined #instantbird 00:51:11 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 00:51:52 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 00:58:15 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 01:23:38 <-- devfil has quit (Client exited) 01:52:30 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Ping timeout) 02:00:15 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 02:02:05 <-- MattATobin has quit (Quit: I'm a trifle deaf in this ear. Speak a little louder next time.) 02:14:10 --> MattATobin has joined #instantbird 02:18:51 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 02:45:09 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 6.0/20110811165603]) 03:43:01 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 03:51:26 <-- ironhead has quit (Ping timeout) 03:51:42 <-- billysanca has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 04:12:59 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 04:12:59 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 04:13:48 <clokep> aleth: What are you trying to do? 04:19:33 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 04:44:19 --> flo has joined #instantbird 04:44:19 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 05:13:33 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 05:15:46 <flo> lots of people have talked in here, who I've never seen before :) 05:15:57 <flo> shouldn't one of us edit https://wiki.mozilla.org/IRC#Getting_Started ? 05:20:46 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 05:20:58 --> myk has joined #instantbird 05:25:05 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 05:38:59 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 05:40:15 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 06:27:46 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied!  :: core-networks.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 07:16:41 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 07:33:43 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 07:34:18 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 07:39:27 <-- Even has quit (Input/output error) 09:00:26 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 09:01:12 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 09:05:13 --> Chris has joined #instantbird 09:10:02 <-- Chris has left #instantbird () 09:24:42 --> Chris has joined #instantbird 09:27:12 <Chris> hello... I'm trying this channel 09:30:01 <-- Chris has left #instantbird () 10:40:56 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:40:57 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:57:39 <Mic> Hi! 11:02:39 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 11:03:57 <Andrey> hi 11:05:44 <Andrey> may i move ib profile between ubuntu and windows os? 11:11:28 <Mic> Maybe ;) 11:11:45 <Mic> I remember having problems with Thunderbird to share a profile over OS' 11:12:05 <Mic> And I've seen absolute path in one of the .ini files in there 11:12:15 <Mic> I think extensions.ini .. 11:12:24 <Mic> .. that would make problems. 11:12:40 <Mic> Andrey: I think you just have to try. 11:13:06 <Mic> And you do that best with a copy or a new profile, so you don't risk losing any of your data 11:13:15 <Andrey> ok 12:03:07 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 12:06:42 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 12:25:36 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 12:32:18 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 12:32:26 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 12:33:47 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 12:41:17 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 12:44:15 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 13:27:25 * Mic can understand the problem that http://blog.instantbird.org/2011/10/instantbird-1-1-released/comment-page-1/#comment-957 has: it sucks finding add-ons using the add-ons manager and it's not possible to download and install them either (because the xpi's aren't updated as it seems) 13:33:46 <aleth> I filed some related bugs a while ago... e.g. it is not great that among the 5 heavily advertised add-ons on instantbird.com, two don't work properly with the latest release 13:34:06 <aleth> A third, Reply to Nick, is obsolete 13:35:05 <aleth> This kind of thing makes IB appear a lot less stable and polished than it actually is 13:35:46 <Mic> What's the bugs for these, aleth? 13:37:12 <aleth> bug 1070 13:37:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1070 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Ensure featured add-ons on the front page are actually suitable for the latest version 13:38:00 <aleth> trying to find the other one... 13:38:35 <aleth> bug 1025 13:38:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1025 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add-ons marked as "works with 1.0" won't install because install.rdf not updated 13:39:10 <aleth> bug 1079 possibly 13:39:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1079 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add-on search is erratic 13:40:18 <aleth> bug 1055 is another papercut-ish one 13:40:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1055 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Terminology in Preferences: Themes vs Message styles 13:40:38 <aleth> do those include what you were looking for? 13:42:39 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:42:39 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 13:43:59 <Mic> Yes, 1025, 1070 and 1079 13:45:03 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 13:45:04 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 13:45:57 <clokep> Andrey: It should work sharing a profile, unless you have binary extensions. 13:46:15 <clokep> Obviously you can't run oth at the same time though. :-D 13:47:14 <clokep> I agree we need to fix up the add-ons a bit. :-/ 13:50:58 <instantbot> New Websites - addons.instantbird.org (Remora) bug 1111 filed by benediktp@ymail.com. 13:51:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1111 enh, --, ---, raynaudquentin, NEW, [Meta] Improve add-on installation experience 13:52:38 <Mic> I hope that helps.. 13:54:20 <aleth> Which nick is Quentin Raynaud? 13:55:07 <aleth> (who you assigned the bug to?) 13:59:07 <clokep> Even 13:59:18 <clokep> (And they're assigned automatically.) 13:59:38 <aleth> oh ok. 14:00:29 <aleth> Was wondering if there were multiple Mics ;) 14:01:53 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 14:02:03 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 14:02:39 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 14:03:44 --> ironhead has joined #instantbird 14:05:51 <clokep> No, we have our nicks registered, so it should be us. :-D 14:06:42 <Mic> clokep, not necessarily. I think you need to secure your nick to prevent others using it without logging in. 14:07:08 <Mic> If you don't do that, others can use it unless you recover your nick from them (there's a nickserv command for that) 14:07:24 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 14:07:47 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 14:07:51 <Mic> If you secure it then you'll be prompted to enter your password within a few seconds or be renamed automatically 14:08:05 <Mic> well, I guess you knew that but others might not ;) 14:08:36 <aleth> I think freenode pretty much forces you to do this, dunno about mozilla.org 14:18:22 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 14:19:35 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 14:19:35 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 14:19:44 <-- BlueMaxima has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 14:21:07 <clokep> Mic: I don't think you can register a nick without giving it a password. 14:21:13 <clokep> But I might be wrong. 14:21:17 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 14:21:20 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 14:21:54 <clokep> But I'd rather not debate the stupid IRC nick system. ;) 14:25:14 <Mic> You don't have to give a password if someone has not "set secure" their nickname. You will only receive a message saying that the nickname is already registered but not forced to choose another. 14:25:45 <Mic> The owner can still recover+release+change his nick+identify to regain control over it 14:25:45 <clokep> Ah, interesting. Maybe it's just part of the directions I always follow then. 14:26:34 <aleth> Anybody else using the input history add-on? I think it's broken on 1.1 :( 14:26:39 <Mic> I always do that too, what good is a registered nick if other can impersonate you 14:27:02 <Mic> Ping douglaswth if it's broken, he's the author. 14:27:06 <aleth> Ah, no, my mistake 14:27:34 <Mic> That reminds me of a bug I wanted to file. 14:28:29 <Mic> There's no way to tell that a conversation was moved to a new window, which breaks some stuff (used by e.g. input history, scroll keys, ..) 14:28:44 <Mic> Not now, though. bbl. 14:29:24 --> flo has joined #instantbird 14:29:25 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 14:31:14 <flo> hello :) 14:31:31 <clokep> Hello flo. How's California? 14:31:47 <flo> on a different timezone ;) 14:32:10 <clokep> Hah. 14:32:44 <flo> the (breakfast of the) summit starts in an hour or so 14:33:22 <flo> should we resolve obvious add-on requests as INVALID, or create an "Add-on ideas" component somewhere? 14:33:29 <flo> bug 1102 is obviously for an add-on 14:33:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1102 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Configure when a conversation is placed on hold or closed 14:34:59 <clokep> I'm not sure what he actually wants out of that bug though. :-X 14:35:38 <clokep> There's so many open bugs. :( 14:35:48 <flo> he's specially unclear 14:36:14 <flo> but after reading his comment several times in a row, I'm almost sure if wants to be able to configure per-account the behavior of closing a tab 14:36:44 <clokep> Ah, perhaps. 14:36:56 <Mic> Hi flo! 14:37:13 <Mic> I hope you had a pleasant flight? Long distance flights are always a thing ;) 14:37:29 <aleth> Hi :) least its probably sunny and blue skies over there :) 14:37:40 <flo> Hi Mic :) 14:37:54 <Mic> Where is the meeting? In Mountain View or somewhere in SF? 14:37:56 <flo> The flight was OK. Just a bit... long. (10hours and 40 minutes) 14:38:01 <flo> Mountain View 14:38:27 <Mic> I've been to SF for a few days two or three and really, really liked the city. :) 14:38:29 <flo> + it was delayed for some reason 14:38:45 <Mic> -few 14:38:53 <Mic> +fix word order ;) 14:38:56 <clokep> You know the Mozilla people going? 14:38:56 <flo> I was surprised to receive an apology email about that, by the way :-D 14:39:27 <flo> I don't know (yet) the other Mozilla person coming to the summit. 14:39:40 <flo> there are only 2 people per organization 14:39:55 <Mic> I guess you'll take the opportunity to meet some TB people? 14:39:57 <clokep> Ah, that's nice that you were able to go then. :) 14:40:25 <Mic> Indeed. 14:40:43 <flo> I have a meeting planned in the Mozilla office Monday morning (so *after* the summit) 14:41:24 <Mic> Must be great to be there, I hope you enjoy it 14:42:31 <flo> apparently the other person from Mozilla is a SUMO developer 14:43:38 --> MadWookiee has joined #instantbird 14:44:37 <Mic> Mozilla (or rather the people working there) make a quite positive impression (well, that's what I tell from their PMO posting;) 14:44:38 <-- MadWookiee has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 14:48:25 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 14:48:34 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 14:48:34 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 14:49:48 <flo> the "SSL handshake failed" seems to have enough duplicates filed and questions asked here to be worth blogging about it I think 14:51:34 <clokep> Yes. :-/ We've had a lot of people asking. :( 14:52:32 <Mic> Is the successor of Remora as painful to maintain as Remora? (i.e. is it only painful to move and setup the new system (one time) or is it like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire)? 14:53:09 <flo> We haven't looked at it, so no idea 14:53:15 <Mic> OK 14:57:00 * Mic is away to play a round of Speedminton, that's a nice and fun mix of badminton an tennis:) 14:57:03 <Mic> bbl 14:58:59 <aleth> badnis? tenton? ;) 15:00:27 * clokep is intrigued. 15:06:01 <-- sabret00the has quit (Quit: Leaving) 15:06:56 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 15:07:18 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 15:11:09 <aleth> clokep: Is it possible to set an attribute of a XUL element via CSS? (i.e. to modify/add to the default values given in the XUL/XBL file) 15:11:55 <clokep> aleth: Set an attribute? CSS is only for display AFAIK. 15:12:04 <clokep> But I'm not sure what you're really trying to do. 15:12:17 <aleth> That's what I thought :| 15:12:45 <aleth> I'm trying to come up with a way for an add-on to modify a single line in the conversation.xml XBL content section 15:13:24 <clokep> You can get to the contents of XBL using the anonymous methods I think. 15:13:28 <clokep> But it's really annoying. :P 15:13:32 <aleth> Because it's XBL, I can't just override it or inherit-and-modify 15:13:51 <aleth> Yes and it seems a really long way around :( 15:14:20 <clokep> It's the only way AFAIK. 15:14:26 <clokep> What are you trying to change in conversation.xml? 15:14:51 <aleth> I find it convenient to add state=collapsed to the nick list splitter :) 15:15:35 <clokep> Ah, I see. 15:16:14 <clokep> You could modify conversation.xml so that the state is inherited from the conversation element, then your extension would just need to set that attribute on the overall conversation. 15:17:09 <aleth> That would require a change in the core though right? 15:18:45 <clokep> Yes. 15:18:47 <aleth> OK then, to use the getAnonymousElementByAttribute method, what's the correct document equivalent to use for a conversation tab? 15:18:52 <clokep> But I think it would be accepted. 15:19:04 <clokep> I'm not sure what you're asking. :-/ 15:19:07 <aleth> Is it helpfully supplied by the interruptions manager in aSubject? 15:19:32 <aleth> well, usually you would use document.getAnonymousElementByAttribute(...) 15:19:45 <aleth> but document won't be defined in the add-on 15:22:06 <clokep> Aren't you inside the Conversations window? 15:22:09 <clokep> There's a document then. 15:23:07 <aleth> but I need to get it out of the data the interruptions manager passes to me 15:23:41 <aleth> Maybe I just haven't found the "Interruptions manager for Dummies" page ;) 15:24:17 <clokep> What are you give from the interruptions manager? 15:24:19 <clokep> *given 15:24:35 <aleth> an aSubject and an aType 15:25:08 <aleth> aSubject.target gives the browser of the conv afaik, haven't been able to find out more 15:26:53 <aleth> the drawbacks of working purely from example code... 15:28:26 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 921 to bug 750. 15:28:27 <clokep> One second. 15:28:27 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 921 on bug 750. 15:28:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Expand Tray Icon context menu with commonly used actions 15:28:29 <aleth> (I think what should go in the core, eventually, is a redesign of the participants list part of the MUC experience. This is just a temporary improvement I guess) 15:28:57 <clokep> It could use some improvements yes, maybe you can make them? ;) 15:29:05 <aleth> Oh, nice! 15:29:14 <clokep> Which interruption are you trying to handle? 15:29:24 <clokep> Which event, rather. 15:29:30 <aleth> I am hoping new-ui-conversation is enough 15:30:02 <aleth> Was chatting about it with flo a while back... it is not so easy to come up with a good design 15:30:43 <clokep> Right. 15:31:18 <aleth> Partly because it is not entirely clear what people use it for 15:32:13 <clokep> What is "aSubject"? Is it a conversation.xml? 15:33:22 <aleth> That's what I am not sure 15:33:48 <clokep> Just put a Components.utils.reportError(aSubject) and it'll tell you the type. 15:33:54 <aleth> an imIConversation is my best guess 15:34:22 <aleth> thanks 15:34:26 <clokep> I think that's what it is too, yes. 15:35:14 <clokep> Although this doesn't really seem like what the interruptions manager was made for. ;) 15:35:22 <flo> uh, why does my phone keep rebooting? :-S 15:37:24 <flo> aleth: "new-ui-conversation" is not the notification you want. 15:37:53 <flo> I'm sure we have examples of add-ons modifying the conversation binding. 15:38:37 <flo> tab complete did, the other restartless add-ons from douglaswt h too. IIRC I even reviewed and simplified that code (the code to extend the conversation binding) to make it more readable 15:39:49 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 15:41:08 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 15:41:46 <aleth> flo: thanks, I'll look at that code. MDN however explicitly says modifying only part of an XBL content area is not possible 15:43:55 <aleth> Ah, it's a different approach altogether. Very interesting, I'll see if I can make it work 15:49:57 <Andrey> oh noo, remember yesterday, my bug with bank line in jabber conf? 15:50:14 <Andrey> He appeared again 15:50:25 <Andrey> in my new profile 15:55:08 <clokep> :( That's not good. 15:55:15 <clokep> I unfortunately have no idea. 15:57:44 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 16:11:12 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 16:21:25 <-- Andrey has quit (Quit: ) 16:22:35 --> mmkmou_ has joined #instantbird 16:22:47 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 16:22:53 * mmkmou_ is now known as mmkmou 16:48:10 <aleth> flo: Thanks, that did the trick! 16:48:23 <aleth> Thanks for having patience with my occasional learning-by-doing-backwards 17:00:46 <Mic> aleth: I don't know how I found IB but remember that I started with writing "Join chat" (which only imports one javascript file and adds one event handler) and I did that job very poorly :D 17:01:28 <clokep> I would definitely have written Vertical Tabs differently with more experience...:-D I should probably rewrite it haha. 17:01:36 <clokep> I wish you could overlay XBLs. :( Make things alot easier. 17:04:21 <aleth> :) I do feel I am cheating by trying to write little bits and pieces in my spare time without actually investing the time to learn the whole mozilla thing, as well css and js a bit more systematically first 17:05:35 <Mic> Reading other peoples code is good too :) 17:05:50 <aleth> Yes that's what I've been doing :) 17:06:42 <Mic> I think I learnt about destructuring assignments while reading somebody's code 17:09:15 <clokep> I find that reading PMO helps too, although I feel like it's been a bit less technical in the past few months, not sure if there's a reason for it. :) 17:11:03 <aleth> One thing I have picked up is that I noticed I used to severely underestimate JS 17:11:27 <aleth> Quite a neat language... 17:17:36 <clokep> Yes, I quite like JS. I get frustrated with stricter languages. :-X 17:27:11 <aleth> PMO is a bit like drinking from a waterhose :| 17:28:09 <clokep> Too much at once? :P 17:28:24 <clokep> I've been meaning to set some filters up to mark things as read automatically. 18:03:49 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 18:04:42 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 18:10:05 <-- WilliamH has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 18:13:05 <aleth> Well, that was worth it :) I guess if one uses maximised chat windows it doesn't matter so much 18:19:51 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 18:26:40 <aleth> Did anyone using FB respond to bug 1099? 18:26:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1099 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Friends no longer receiving my messages on facebook chat 18:29:15 <FeuerFliege> aleth: I am using Instantbird and FB and kann not confirm 18:50:58 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 18:57:00 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 19:01:28 <clokep> It sounds like a Facebook server issue to me. 19:01:43 <clokep> But I also generally just blame Facebook servers whenever anyone says something is wrong w/ it. :P 19:14:51 <Mic> I think bug 815 is easy. I'm not on Windows 7 at the moment but I can try it later. 19:14:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=815 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, (Conditional) jump-list addition: "Exit Instantbird" 19:17:11 <Mic> Maybe a flag that tells if an item should be there when either running, not running or both, is something we could add to the API? 19:17:58 <clokep> Mic: You have to observe whether the pref for minimize to tray changes or not and change the jumplist if it does. 19:18:31 <Mic> Ah? How is this pref related? 19:19:08 <clokep> If you want it to be conditional and only show up if minimizing to tray is turned on. 19:19:51 <Mic> hmm, OK. 19:20:12 <clokep> Does that make sense? 19:20:27 <clokep> I don't think it's very hard, I just didn't want to think about it earlier when I was looking through. ;) 19:20:49 <Mic> Honestly I don't want to think about it either at the moment ;) 19:21:25 <Mic> And I was wondering if I could somehow replace minimizing to tray with just minimizing. 19:21:56 <clokep> What do you mean? 19:22:20 <Mic> It's inconvenient to use the tray since I have small icons in my taskbar and IB is pinned as quickstart to the taskbar anyways 19:22:54 <clokep> Right. I don't use a tray either. 19:23:16 <Mic> Minimizing on close is a nice feature, though. 19:23:50 <clokep> Ah, I see that as unrelated though. 19:25:06 <Mic> I wish the settings were unrelated. 19:25:48 <clokep> There's an extension for Thunderbird/Firefox that lets you do that on Windows 7 which I use.... 19:25:55 <clokep> (Well only in Thunderbird..and for a different functionality) 19:26:20 <clokep> Mic: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/minimize-on-start-and-close/ 19:26:26 <clokep> It has a minimize on close functionality. 19:27:06 <Mic> :) 19:27:08 <Mic> Thanks! 19:41:54 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 19:42:23 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 19:44:24 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 19:44:30 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 19:45:38 <clokep> Mic: Slight issue, there doesn't seem to be a way to kill Instantbird via a shortcut to it, so it would need another command line handler. 19:50:11 <clokep> (At least not that I could find.) 20:08:50 <-- mmkmou has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:09:33 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 20:11:52 <-- mmkmou has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:12:33 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 20:13:02 <Mic> ah, true. We need a commandline handler too :( 20:14:39 <-- mmkmou has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:15:22 <Mic> Good night 20:15:28 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 20:15:35 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 20:16:07 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 20:21:14 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 20:29:38 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 20:29:40 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 21:17:13 --> Novarg has joined #instantbird 21:32:15 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 22:28:59 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 22:56:26 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 23:21:45 <Novarg> how can I make instantbird use libpng15 instead of libpng14? Right now compilation always fails trying to link to -lpng14 23:22:22 <clokep> Does Mozilla support linking to libpng15 instead? 23:23:10 <Novarg> how could I try? 23:23:32 <clokep> Well if Instantbird is failing to link, then probably not. :) 23:23:44 <Novarg> here is some output: http://pastebin.com/ZR4RRDNt 23:24:09 <Novarg> is that even instantbird's fault there? it's still compiling the mozilla core it appears 23:24:43 <clokep> Right, hence why I asked if Mozilla supports it. 23:25:14 <Novarg> ok, what can do I about it? file a bug at mozilla's? 23:25:53 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 23:25:55 <clokep> Possibly. Idk what their minimum requirements are off the top of my head, is there any particular reason you're compiling yourself? 23:26:20 <Novarg> I was hoping to be able to sort of alpha-test it and giving feedback :) 23:26:30 <Novarg> I failed to find any nightly builds 23:26:44 <clokep> Did you read the topic of this IRC room? ;) 23:26:53 <clokep> nightly.instantbird.im I think 23:26:55 <Novarg> only the start, damn it 23:27:03 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 23:27:09 <clokep> It's OK, they're not super easy to find (not sure how on purpose that is) 23:27:10 <Novarg> the nightlies part is on the next line which I missed, thanks! 23:27:20 <clokep> No problem! :) 23:27:30 <Novarg> are you also a developer? 23:27:49 <clokep> Yes. 23:28:19 <Novarg> well I discovered instantbird a couple days ago and must say I really love it so far and really appreciate your work 23:28:52 <Novarg> none of the existing IMs could completely win me so far and I'm hoping to finally find my perfect match :] 23:29:41 <clokep> Thanks! I'm glad you like it. :) Let us know if there's any improvements to be made. 23:31:48 <Novarg> Actually, there is one thing I've been thinking about: I love most the compactness of the userlist but how about an option to hide the group labels? 23:33:13 <clokep> You mean putting all the users in the same tag? 23:34:12 <Novarg> I guess that would do the job, but appears to be a tedious one-time job 23:35:19 <clokep> Yes, it would be. 23:35:30 <clokep> You could probably 'x' out all the tags and just use the "other contacts" tab. 23:35:37 <clokep> s/tab/tag/ 23:36:13 <Novarg> true, that sounds usable 23:36:22 <clokep> Shouldn't be too hard eiter. :) 23:36:23 <Novarg> that even allows me to hide that one specific user group :)) 23:36:37 <Novarg> awesome 23:36:41 <clokep> Haha, well yes. That's what we made it for (:cough: facebook :cough:0 23:36:48 <Novarg> exactly :D 23:37:33 <Novarg> just great, thank you for the amazing support! :) 23:37:44 <clokep> You're welcome, tell all your friends. ;) 23:38:00 <Novarg> I already convinced my roommate to take a look! :) 23:38:06 <Novarg> oh actually, another thing! 23:38:15 <clokep> :) Sure? 23:38:50 <Novarg> as far as I can see, you need to store the passwords for the protocols to sign on. I would like some passwords not to be stored locally and hence would rather reenter them every time I sign on. Is that possible? 23:39:30 <clokep> Not right now it's not. :( 23:40:23 <Novarg> and can you change the tray icon? :p 23:42:51 <clokep> "change"? 23:43:35 <Novarg> i.e. have a different icon. The current one is unappealing 23:44:31 <clokep> You mean you don't like the Instantbird icon?! :P 23:44:42 <clokep> It uses the icon that the window uses, in theory you should be able to replace it. 23:44:44 <clokep> How I'm not really sure. 23:45:40 * aleth wanders in 23:45:47 <aleth> I think there's a bug somewhere on changing the icon 23:45:57 <clokep> I don't think so, but it's possible. 23:47:03 <aleth> But didn't someone (you?) mention earlier you had a patch to display the status in the tray? 23:47:08 <aleth> Maybe I am misremembering 23:47:13 <Novarg> in fact, the nightly's icon already pleases me more, but it's somewhat... noisy? I'd rather it show useful information to me, like whether I am connected 23:50:43 <aleth> lol personally I think it's the nightly one that's less pretty when minimized to 16x16 or whatever it is 23:50:51 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 23:51:10 * clokep will be back. 23:51:12 <Novarg> the stable one is way too colorful 23:51:20 <Novarg> it keeps attracting my attention! 23:51:38 --> mmkmou_ has joined #instantbird 23:51:38 <Novarg> no I don't know, I don't like it to be honest 23:51:47 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 23:51:52 * mmkmou_ is now known as mmkmou 23:53:57 <aleth> The difficult part is coming up with a better one 23:54:50 <Novarg> ekiga shows a plain green dot, that's simple and informative :) 23:55:04 <clokep> Novarg: We know the icon needs a little work, but yeah...hopefuly eventually. 23:55:15 <clokep> aleth: I do not have a patch for anything to do with that icon. 23:55:19 <clokep> I have something for the menu. 23:56:06 <Novarg> also, the windows position keeps jumping to the left screen border when I close (minimize to tray) and restore 23:56:07 <aleth> Oh yes, sorry I misremembered 23:56:30 <aleth> Novarg: now THAT is a really annoying bug 23:56:48 <Novarg> it is 23:56:50 <aleth> bug 869 23:56:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=869 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Contacts window forgets screen position when closed 23:57:00 <Novarg> ah cool :) 23:57:07 <Novarg> figured I'dnt be the first one to notice