#instantbird log on 10 21 2011

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00:01:23 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 914 to bug 1087.
00:01:25 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 914 on bug 1087.
00:01:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1087 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, No entities in outgoing tweets.
00:02:26 <Mook_as> only by having a utility method that joins together url params :|
00:03:05 <Mook_as> magicMethod("1/statuses/retweet/" + aTweet.id_str + ".json", {include_entities: 1}) (and format to fit)
00:04:51 <aleth> That looks like one of those cases where breaking the limit actually enhances legibility.
00:05:41 <clokep> aleth: I agree. But people who use gross editors may not agree. ;)
00:05:56 <clokep> Mook_as: We do that for the POST params I think.
00:05:56 <Mook_as> yeah, actually, you're right, the url formatter is a uglier anyway.
00:06:36 <aleth> Nobody is on an actual terminal anymore these days ;)
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00:08:08 * clokep knows too many people who swear by vim. ;)
00:11:04 * Mook_as isn't on a terminal, but is on an editor capable of displaying two documents side-by-side ;)
00:11:37 <Mook_as> with everything laid out I actually do get around 80 characters per side :|
00:11:55 <clokep> I hope that Mook_as uses Komodo. ;)
00:13:15 <Mook_as> I do, of course :D
00:13:40 <aleth> Do you have the commercial version? Is it worth it?
00:13:57 <Mook_as> well, I get a free license, so it was for me ;)
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00:16:29 <aleth> I think I've fixed the conv-header buddy list look for Linux. Still need to test it with a bunch of other GTK themes though :(
00:16:33 <aleth> Always a pain
00:17:19 <clokep> aleth: I use Komodo Edit (the free version), and it's really awesome. :) I don't need anything more.
00:17:36 <clokep> aleth: Do you have a suggestion for bug 1062, what the context menu should say?
00:17:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add "copy link to tweet" to tweet context menu
00:17:43 <clokep> "Copy link to Tweet"?
00:17:46 <clokep> Is that reasonable or?
00:21:31 <aleth> Seems reasonable. Or "Copy Tweet URL"?
00:23:11 <aleth> I just checked - the twitter webpage doesnt have a special name for it
00:23:18 <clokep> Alright, thanks. :)
00:23:45 <clokep> Hmm....except my code doesn't work. :-S
00:27:53 <aleth> Is there a list of possible IB observers for add-ons somewhere (i.e. the xxx in Services.obs.addObserver(xxxObserver, "xxx", false)) or is that the wrong question to ask?
00:29:00 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - Twitter bug 1098 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
00:29:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1098 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Authorization loop if lastMessageId is empty for a Twitter account
00:29:36 <clokep> aleth: There's a partial list at https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Notifications:trunk
00:29:46 <aleth> thanks!
00:30:20 <clokep> I wish Komodo could handle formatting JSON. :(
00:31:32 <Mook_as> got a sample?
00:31:49 <Mook_as> I want to try code -> format -> document using -> json beautify
00:34:58 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 915 to bug 1062.
00:34:59 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 915 on bug 1062.
00:35:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Add "copy link to tweet" to tweet context menu
00:35:18 <clokep> Mook_as: https://dev.twitter.com/docs/api/1/get/statuses/home_timeline ;)
00:35:54 <clokep> That must be a paid feature? :)
00:36:04 <Mook_as> clokep: gimme a sample, I don't have twitter auth ;)
00:36:15 <Mook_as> possibly!
00:36:28 <Mook_as> oh, they have an example. but formatted.
00:36:33 <clokep> Mook_as: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1026
00:36:36 <clokep> Yeah, it's formatted already.
00:36:45 <clokep> :( Ugily, but formatted.
00:36:59 <clokep> But when you use JSON.stringify(aTweet), it's not nice.
00:37:08 <clokep> Arg I left that in my patch! :(
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00:37:44 <aleth> clokep: hmm, what's the right observer topic for "conv tab opened"? (conversation-loaded doesn't seem like the same thing)
00:37:50 <Mook_as> ugh, not very useful. http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1027 (I removed the syntax error in the middle, it didn't help)
00:37:57 <clokep> Mook_as: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1028 ugly one. :)
00:38:22 <clokep> Uhh...you'll need to remove the Mozilla error console formatting, sorry. :(
00:38:28 <Mook_as> slightly better: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1029
00:38:45 <clokep> Yes! That's nice. :)
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00:40:28 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 916 to bug 1062.
00:40:29 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 915 on bug 1062.
00:40:31 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 916 on bug 1062.
00:40:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Add "copy link to tweet" to tweet context menu
00:43:05 <Mook_as> looks like we might be using the script from http://jsbeautifier.org/ - you can probably dump that into a macro and have it work.
00:43:14 <Mook_as> ... wait, am I trying to give you ways to not pay? :P
00:44:40 <clokep> That's what I usually use anyway. :)
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00:45:06 * clokep has no idea how to use macros. :-X
00:45:21 <Mook_as> they're just js or python files :p
00:45:37 <clokep> Honestly I looked at some point about buying it...but the feature differences didn't seem useful to me.
00:45:42 <Mook_as> but yeah, fiddling with the API can be annoying.
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00:46:23 <Mook_as> (and yeah, I find the thing I most use is the code browser tree view anyway)
00:46:49 <clokep> If I was doing C programming, etc. it'd be nice.
00:46:56 <clokep> But just editing random JS files, not really necessary. :)
00:47:24 <Mook_as> I think it's a sign I need to make my JS/python files smaller :p
00:49:31 <Mook_as> alright, heading home. two days of planet to catch up to...
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00:52:51 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 369 to FIXED.
00:52:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=369 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, Add support for reporting localization problems on Bugzilla
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01:14:58 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 715 to FIXED.
01:15:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715 nor, --, 1.1, nobody, RESO FIXED, Add supports for tooltips in jsProtoHelper
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02:15:08 <clokep> flo bug 881 and bug 882...are those to be closed or do we still want to revisit those?
02:15:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, FAQ page not found
02:15:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=882 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, About page not found
02:26:22 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1091 to DUPLICATE of bug 968.
02:26:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1091 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, User offline on contact list and online in conversation
02:26:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=968 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Friends shown offline in buddylist when are in fact, online.
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02:47:25 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 1099 filed by Prescience500@gmail.com.
02:47:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1099 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Friends no longer receiving buddies on facebook chat
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03:47:25 <Mook> hmm, I wonder why the website font is a little ugly on my system. firefox nightly: https://i.minus.com/if8wJ83MKTHXF.PNG thunderbird 7: https://i.minus.com/ikumWIg0CFkFt.PNG (both win7 x64 w/ hardware accel / directwrite)
03:50:49 <Mook> in comparison: opera 11.51: https://i.minus.com/i1RD4NOxp12hE.PNG IE9: https://i.minus.com/iGDqHuWgL0QNl.PNG
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05:05:27 <BlueMaxima> Does anyone take feature requests in here, or is it general developer talk
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06:15:13 <Mook> BlueMaxima: they do! and even when they aren't read around, they usually logs, so you can just describe the features :)
06:15:25 <Mook> (using bugzilla is better for tracking, of course)
06:15:50 <Mook> (and, sometimes, I just blabber at myself in an empty channel. nobody seemed to mind, so far.)
06:19:56 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 1100 filed by d.marty@io-market.com.
06:19:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, XMPP protocol login Error: SSL Handshake failed
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08:05:46 <BlueMaxima> Mook: Sorry mate, I was AFK :P
08:06:17 <Mook> that's okay, I'm about to fall asleep :D
08:06:59 <BlueMaxima> So I just talk to myself about IB features and they'll read it? :P
08:11:00 <BlueMaxima> Well, I'd like the ability to determine when a conversation is put on hold via an option (all the time, none of the time or just with certain protocols/accounts)
08:11:49 <BlueMaxima> And perhaps maybe a "tree" for IRC - in the Contacts menu it could go 
08:11:49 <BlueMaxima> >IRC 
08:11:49 <BlueMaxima>  >> Freenode 
08:11:49 <BlueMaxima>   >>> #chan1
08:11:49 <BlueMaxima>   >>> #chan2
08:11:49 <BlueMaxima>  >> Mozilla
08:11:49 <BlueMaxima>   >>> #chan1
08:12:46 <BlueMaxima> And maybe the ability to choose when the taskbar icon and the sound goes off for an IRC channel (whenever a line is detected, when a line has your nick or not at all)
08:12:54 <BlueMaxima> And I apologize for making boring suggestions :P
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08:26:50 <BlueMaxima> And perhaps maybe give the option to sort friends on non-IRC protocols by protocol (so MSN, Facebook, etc.)
08:27:09 <BlueMaxima> I swear if someone doesn't kick/ban me I might end up just talking to myself all night
08:39:26 <BlueMaxima> What about making some of the better plugins built into Instantbird? First example I can think of would be Vertical Tabs
08:39:42 <BlueMaxima> And an "auto-perform" box instead of "channels to join" would be good, kinda like that feature mIRC has
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09:47:10 <FeuerFliege> good morning
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10:13:36 <Mic> Hi
10:17:08 <clokep> Hello Mic.
10:17:25 <clokep> Hey BlueMaxima I'm reading over what you wrote, but I need to eat breakfast first. :P
10:17:44 <BlueMaxima> :D
10:28:05 <clokep> BlueMaxima: Thre "tree" idea...you mean that for conversations, or contacts or both?
10:28:27 <clokep> (Referring to http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today/#m140)
10:29:17 <BlueMaxima> clokep: for the Contacts
10:29:44 <clokep> Can I ask why you'd like that? We've had the request before (I'm not sure we have a bug on it or not...)
10:30:05 <clokep> Like, what use-case is there for it? How does it help you use your IM client?
10:30:32 <clokep> (Sorry if I seem harsh, we just try to understand the thinking behind feature requests. :))
10:30:39 <clokep> (Since not everyone uses programs the same one.)
10:31:10 <BlueMaxima> clokep: Just another option for customisation is all.
10:31:38 <clokep> BlueMaxima: But an option that you want, yes? So why do you want it?
10:32:15 <clokep> bug 951 seems to describe this mostly though.
10:32:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=951 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Sort buddy list by protocol and availability
10:32:40 <BlueMaxima> It would help me keep the IRC channels that I like in general front and center, so say I could hide a couple of channels that I don't want to look at? It's merely a personal OCD thing of mine :P
10:33:13 <clokep> BlueMaxima: You just said you want it for contacts, not for conversations?
10:33:20 <clokep> But IRC channels are conversations.
10:33:41 * clokep is confused. :-S
10:33:56 <BlueMaxima> ...oh, silly me, I meant for contacts as in the "conversations on hold" box. But it'd work well in conversations, now I think about it.
10:33:59 <BlueMaxima> My bad. :S
10:35:47 <Mic> "08:39:42 <BlueMaxima> And an "auto-perform" box instead of "channels to join" would be good, kinda like that feature mIRC has"
10:36:15 <clokep> Alright. Yes, we had originally thought of doing it for the "Conversations on Hold" bit (although without the protocol, just by account): but I think we didn't have time to finish it originally, I don't remember. You could file a bug. :)
10:36:49 <clokep> I feel like we have an bug filed on auto-perform already Mic, but I'm not sure. :-/
10:37:19 <Mic> We had an extension idea for this, too
10:37:23 <Mic> An awesome one ;)
10:37:29 <clokep> We do?
10:37:33 <Mic> I think so ..
10:38:08 <Mic> One that allows to select an event from a list and then an action from a list (or maybe for advanced users to enter javascript) + values added in
10:38:08 <BlueMaxima> I know a lot of my feature requests are based around mIRC, probably because I still miss it a bit when I swapped for Instantbird :P
10:38:28 <Mic> Not just limited to IRC but all protocols.
10:39:01 <Mic> When "contact <name of contact> signs on" then "send message <message to send>".
10:39:04 <clokep> BlueMaxima: The taskbar icon notification / sounds will be able to be slightly more configurable in 1.2 (bug 948), and it's easy to supress those things, not sure how easy it is to add more notifications. :-/
10:39:06 <Mic> This sort of thing
10:39:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, 1.2, mattdentremont, RESO FIXED, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
10:39:34 <clokep> BlueMaxima: That's fine! It's good to get ideas from other programs, we just try to understand /why/ you want them, so that we can see if they fit in, if they can be improved or if they'r ebetter in extensions.
10:39:48 <clokep> And, yes, features you miss are annoying. :)
10:39:55 <clokep> Mic: I think that was a mock up I made. :(
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10:40:15 <Mic> Why so sad? I really like the idea!
10:40:36 <BlueMaxima> I want the notification/sounds/possibly a message popup because I used to have that on a few mIRC channels - it would be nice to toggle blinking in the taskbar on/off by right-clicking a conversation tab, because I did that a LOT in mIRC
10:40:51 <BlueMaxima> I would've done it if I was having this convo in mIRC for example
10:41:23 <clokep> I think that can be done w/ an extension. :)
10:41:32 <clokep> I haven't heard that idea specifically before though.
10:41:40 <BlueMaxima> Not to that amount, I'm afraid.
10:41:56 <Mic> The blink-taskbar-thing is using the interruptions manager?
10:42:10 <clokep> Yes.
10:42:16 <Mic> Ah, good :)
10:42:31 <Mic> Should be easy then (if one has time and knows how to do it:( )
10:43:51 <BlueMaxima> I'd just love to see, on right-clicking an IRC convo tab: 
10:43:51 <BlueMaxima> Alerts: on message: flash on/off - sound on/off
10:43:51 <BlueMaxima>         on word: flash on/off - sound on/off (with accompanying dialog box)
10:43:51 <BlueMaxima>         on nick: flash on/off - sound on/off
10:44:19 <clokep> The "on word" is handled as an extension. That exists already.
10:44:41 <clokep> But it doesn't let you choose whether the flash/sound, it just notifies in the normal way.
10:44:59 <Mic> That's lots of options (and we try to reduce the number of options and try to use sane default settings that most people don't have to customize).
10:45:17 <BlueMaxima> And there's no way to make it beep on any message either per channel. I know, it's just me being a little anal-retentive. :/
10:45:35 <clokep> So mIRC has a lot of (terrible, IMO) options. We kind of go for a give the user a good enough default that they don't need as many options...then advanced users should use extensions for more options.
10:45:57 <clokep> BlueMaxima: Yes, that's done on purpose. It could very easily be done with an extension.
10:46:06 <Mic> We'd need people to actually write these extensions though :(
10:46:14 <BlueMaxima> Unfortunately I'm not smart enough to write an extension :(
10:46:30 <clokep> Most people don't want their stuff to beep every time. ;)
10:46:31 <Mic> We should really try to get some Mozilla people involved .. people that easily write extensions when they're bothered by something
10:46:49 <BlueMaxima> clokep: It wouldn't be on by default of course :P
10:46:56 <clokep> BlueMaxima: Best next thing is to file bugs, probably? At least we can track the feature request. :)
10:47:29 <Mic> And you'll even be notified via email when something happens on the bug!
10:48:51 <BlueMaxima> Hmm, so what have I said that won't be duplicated if I send it in as a bug
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10:50:42 <clokep> Sorting contacts by protocol  might, but the others wouldn't.
10:50:48 <clokep> (And if they get duped, not a big deal. :))
10:51:32 <clokep> (Also including more extensions into the Instantbird core...we do that from time to time.)
10:51:50 <clokep> Vertical Tabs unfortunately is definitely not good enough to do that, it's kind of a hack and (most likely) looks really bad on Linux/Mac.
10:51:55 <BlueMaxima> It does?
10:52:00 <BlueMaxima> Do you have an image of it?
10:52:17 <clokep> No, I don't have a Linux/Mac computer, hence why it looks bad. ;)
10:52:27 <clokep> I'm not even happy w/ the look on Windows. :(
10:52:38 <clokep> But it's "good enough" and I'm lazy. :P
10:53:02 <BlueMaxima> It looks fine to me?
10:53:06 <BlueMaxima> What's wrong with it?
10:54:06 <clokep> The line between the selected tab and the conversation area shouldn't be there and I've tried to get rid of it and failed.
10:54:16 <clokep> + The splitter doesn't funky things sometimes (I just don't resize it. :-D)
10:55:19 <BlueMaxima> It's too bad that you can't include some of the better addons in the installers and let the person choose whether they want to install them or not.
10:56:34 <clokep> Yes, that would be nice. :) COuld also be done as a first run wizard.
10:58:33 <clokep> BlueMaxima: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/250 might kind of do what you want.
10:58:37 <clokep> Mic: Do you have "Colorize" installed?
10:59:55 <Mic> No, not anymore
11:00:07 <BlueMaxima> clokep: I tried that, but there was no way to highlight a channel on ANYTHING being said, which was what I wanted
11:00:29 <clokep> BlueMaxima: Yes there is, you have to write a JavaScript snippet to always return true.
11:00:32 <Mic> hmm, I meant "Show nick".
11:00:37 <Mic> What does colorize do?
11:00:37 <BlueMaxima> clokep: Oh...
11:00:39 <BlueMaxima> argh.
11:00:55 <clokep> Mic: Colorize is what makes IMs have coloring like a MUC.
11:01:01 <clokep> BlueMaxima: I can help you with it in a bit.
11:01:04 * clokep is going to work in a few.
11:01:06 <Mic> Ah, this isn't built in?
11:01:16 <clokep> Mic: No.
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11:01:34 <Mic> I need to get it then (and you see I'm rarely using IMs;)
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11:02:19 <Mic> Should be push that into a nightly and listen for feedback?
11:02:36 <Mic> Sounds like something that's useful and people not even noticing it ;)
11:03:07 <clokep> Haha, maybe.
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11:03:51 <BlueMaxima> Where does he keep going?
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11:04:33 <Mic> He might have a flaky connection today
11:04:42 <Mic> "He", that's you, clokep ;)
11:04:43 <clokep> No. I'm trying to get add-ons to work! :(
11:04:46 <Mic> bbl
11:04:46 <BlueMaxima> Although his quit messages say "Instantbird 1.-"
11:04:48 <BlueMaxima> nevermind.
11:06:28 <clokep> I do need to go though. I'll be back in a half hour or so.
11:06:42 <clokep> Thakns for the feedback BlueMaxima, glad you like Instantbird so far! :)
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11:09:03 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1101 filed by bluemaximax011@hotmail.com.
11:09:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Replace "channels to join" with "auto-perform" box
11:12:16 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1102 filed by bluemaximax011@hotmail.com.
11:12:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1102 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Configure when a conversation is placed on hold or closed
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11:20:29 <BlueMaxima> OK, I think that's all I can add without dupes
11:37:13 <Mic> re
11:37:31 <Mic> Thanks for adding
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11:58:31 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1103 filed by pgeremia@centripetalnetworks.com.
11:58:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1103 blo, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, MSN or Google Talk account causes Instantbird to crash
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12:15:33 <Tu13es> i seem to be getting a SSL Handshake Failed error on my jabber account, I think after it autoupgraded to 1.1.
12:15:40 <Tu13es> any ideas for a workaround besides downgrading?
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12:18:13 <clokep_work> Tu13es: Are you connected to a server with a self-signed certificate>
12:18:21 <Tu13es> I think so
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12:20:13 <clokep_work> You either need to add the server's certificate to the list of trusted certificates or disable checking of SSL certs.
12:20:32 <Tu13es> cool, that worked!
12:21:39 <clokep_work> Tu13es: Great! :) (I'm assuming you added it to the trusted certs?)
12:21:53 <Tu13es> well, to test i disabled cert checking in about.config, but i should do that
12:21:54 <clokep_work> We'd really like a window to pop up and ask, but we didn't have time to add this before 1.1 and thought the security was more important. :)
12:22:00 <clokep_work> Oh, OK.
12:22:15 <Tu13es> yeah, though something in the error console pointing me to that would have been nice too
12:24:53 <clokep_work> Well, when the "SSL Handshake Fails"...we don't really know /why/ it failed.
12:25:15 * clokep_work wishes there was just a different method besides certs for security. ;)
12:25:20 <Tu13es> heh, yep
12:25:27 <clokep_work> We should add something to the FAQ at least though.
12:26:46 <aleth> clokep_work: Yeah, I just replied to a bug on this issue, I really think in this case the error message should be more helpful. I.e. "these are the most common reasons for this error and this is what you could try to do"
12:27:13 <aleth> Expecting the user to go find the FAQ is already too much hassle for something that comes up quite frequently
12:27:35 <aleth> But yeah, certs :(
12:31:07 <clokep_work> aleth: File a bug and suggest a better string then? ;)
12:31:17 <clokep_work> The real solution though is to pop up the "untrusted cert" dialogue that Firefox has.
12:31:45 <aleth> It's more tricky than a replacement string, there is little space in the accounts manager ;)
12:31:52 <aleth> Yes, that would be perfect
12:33:00 <aleth> Nice and consistent across mozilla too
12:33:41 <clokep_work> It's the goal, but it needs some more work. I think flo has a partial solution for it? I don't remember.
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12:44:44 <Mic> Filing a bug is a good idea :)
12:49:04 <rikki> out of interest has anybody noticed on upgrade to IB 1.1 mozillaloc.dll goes missing (i think its named that)
12:49:58 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1104 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
12:50:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1104 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Push "Colorize" functionality to the nightlies and see if we get feedback about this is a wanted or 
12:51:45 <Mic> rikki: I've updated a few IB to 1.1 here and I didn't notice anything breaking?
12:51:53 <Mic> Is this file important?
12:52:04 <rikki> its core to my knowledge
12:52:10 <rikki> had to reinstall IB
12:52:19 <Mic> There's only "mozalloc.dll" and the name sounds rather important ;)
12:52:33 <rikki> yup thats the one
12:52:47 <rikki> its bee atleast 6 hours since i had the issue
12:52:53 <rikki> been*
12:53:26 <rikki> but i do think this pc needs a reinstall so its not a file a bug thing i think
12:54:42 <Mic> If you've got time you could always file it and if it turns out that it's nothing that can be reproduced (or only occured once) then we can still close it
12:55:08 <clokep_work> rikki: What OS?
12:55:15 <rikki> win7 64bit
12:55:21 <rikki> home prem
12:55:25 <clokep_work> Weird.
12:55:56 <rikki> its proberbly just my install, but i wanted to check if anybody else experianced it
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12:56:08 <clokep_work> mozalloc is part of the core yes, "Mozilla allocate" I believe. I don't see why it would be deleted though. :(
12:56:14 <clokep_work> Yeah. I haven't heard of that issue.
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12:57:07 <rikki> i have a horrible habit of breaking stuff in an OS
12:57:34 <rikki> by using it as intended which makes it worse
12:58:02 <Mic> hehe
12:58:16 <Mic> I can't keep my fingers off internals of any OS :D
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12:58:37 <rikki> although a game locked up my machine this morning... had to do a hard boot
12:58:47 <rikki> that proberbly helped a lot
12:59:13 <Mic> I do that every day  (or even more than once). This standby/hiberating stuff is not exactly my thing
12:59:33 <rikki> try 24/7
12:59:58 <rikki> i know pretty stupid when i have a server and this takes up a lot of electricity
13:00:23 <Mic> And I'm not one of these my-uptime-is-longer-than-yours flightless-bird-lovers either (I really should stop insulting Linux people .. tzz)
13:01:14 <rikki> my server (running zentyal a version of ubuntu) has been up 13 days lmfao
13:01:47 <rikki> but that generally is only for my own amusement
13:02:23 <Mic> One of my friends shared a flat with an electrician trainee and they did some serious hackery to add a UPS without having to shutdown the server they had in their flat
13:02:47 <rikki> yikes
13:03:47 <Mic> Line voltage is one of the things that I absolutely show the necessary respect ;)
13:03:50 <Mic> gtg
13:03:52 <Mic> Have a nice day
13:04:01 <rikki> you too
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16:06:26 <miked> anyone having issues with ssl handshake failing?
16:08:37 <clokep_work> miked: Are you connecting to a server with a self-signed certificate?
16:08:49 <miked> yes
16:09:00 <miked> added it as an exception also
16:09:03 <clokep_work> You need to either add the certificate or ignore all certificates.
16:09:16 <clokep_work> It should work then, but one second.
16:10:40 <clokep_work> miked: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100#c3 and comment 5 have how to disable the certificate.s
16:10:43 <instantbot> Bug 1100 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, XMPP protocol login Error: SSL Handshake failed
16:12:42 <miked> yep that did it
16:13:06 <clokep_work> Great. :)
16:13:18 <miked> I did import the cert and add an exception earlier but that didn't help just for future reference
16:13:35 <miked> Thanks for the help.  I've really gotten to like instantbird
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16:14:09 <clokep_work> Yeah, that's concerning. I unfortunately know very little about certs so I can't even postulate why. :(
16:14:19 <clokep_work> I'm glad you like it though! Let us know if we can make any improvements. :)
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16:31:39 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 1105 filed by oliver@funkatronics.com.
16:31:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1105 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, XMPP SSL Handshake fails
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16:33:31 <Andrey> good evening
16:33:38 <clokep_work> Hello Andrey 
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16:34:41 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1105 to DUPLICATE of bug 1100.
16:34:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1105 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, XMPP SSL Handshake fails
16:34:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, XMPP protocol login Error: SSL Handshake failed
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16:35:48 <Mook_as> ahoy clokep_I_suspect_you_are_not_really_working_but_then_I_wonder_about_myself
16:35:58 <Andrey> i have installed ib version 1.1, why when i send message to his begin added blank line : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1584638/tempimages/ib11.png
16:36:19 <Andrey> addons highloght and show nick
16:36:31 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Lunch time on the east coast. ;)
16:36:55 <Andrey> highlight**
16:36:59 <clokep_work> Andrey: I can't view that link, sorry.
16:37:13 <Andrey> why
16:37:19 <clokep_work> Firewall?
16:37:29 <Andrey> nope, its dropbox
16:37:51 <clokep_work> Yes. Firewall.
16:37:53 <Andrey> if i upload to imageshack you can view it?
16:38:03 <clokep_work> Yes.
16:38:10 <clokep_work> Imageshack or imgur work I think.
16:38:32 <Andrey> http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/3738/ib11.png
16:39:31 <Andrey> red box
16:41:23 <Andrey> i try disable all addons, blank line still have
16:41:25 <clokep_work> That's strange.
16:41:34 <clokep_work> Ah, you beat me to my first idea. ;)
16:42:09 <clokep_work> It happens every time? In every protocol?
16:42:24 <Andrey> nope, only in jabber
16:42:32 <Andrey> irc i not tested
16:42:42 <Andrey> icq work normal
16:43:28 <clokep_work> Andrey: I have no idea, sorry. :( COuld you file a bug at https://bugzilla.instantbird.org please? Hopefully one of our developers will have an idea there! :)
16:43:49 <Andrey> ok, no problem
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16:47:44 <clokep_work> Thanks!
16:50:14 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1106 filed by andreyjkee@gmail.com.
16:50:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1106 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, blank line in conversation chat window for jabber protocol
16:50:20 <Andrey> :)
16:50:37 <Andrey> sorry for my bad english :p
16:51:55 <clokep_work> It's OK! It's understandable.
16:52:50 <Mook_as> I think that means we need to apologize for our bad Russian :)
16:52:52 * Mic got a lot more problems with the screenshot :D
16:53:55 <clokep_work> Like what?
16:54:02 <Mic> Reading it :D
16:54:25 <Andrey> Mook_as ~ russian is not globally lang )
16:55:40 <instantbot> andreyjkee@gmail.com added attachment 917 to bug 1106.
16:55:43 <Andrey> i added screenshot in attachement
16:55:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1106 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, blank line in conversation chat window for jabber protocol
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16:57:40 <Mic> Some random stats: we've got almost 500 open bugs, that's ~45% of all bugs filed.
16:58:26 <Andrey> i check it in irc, that bug not affected for this proto
16:59:04 * Mic wonders if searching for open bugs in BMO was a good idea ;)
16:59:59 <Andrey> i can create new profile if start ib with -p option like in firefox?
17:00:21 <Mic> Andrey: yes
17:00:45 <Mic> Use -no-remote to run two (or more) instances with different profiles at the same time
17:01:31 <clokep_work> How many of those are bugs and not feature requests? :)
17:02:57 <Mic> hmm .. let me check
17:04:18 <Mic> :O
17:04:23 <Mic> 222 enhancement requests
17:04:36 <Mic> That's 40% of all open bugs
17:05:05 <Mic> Even 45% .. ok, it's maybe not that bad then ;)
17:05:07 <Andrey> hm, i create new profile and not have blank line %)
17:05:32 <clokep_work> So really only like 20% are bugs?
17:05:40 <Andrey> maybe it because i add jabber conferences for joining with about:config?)
17:06:38 <Mic> Andrey, I'm not sure I understand?
17:07:32 <Andrey> i change parameter with config editor
17:07:46 <Andrey> messenger.account.account1.autoJoin;
17:08:25 <Mic> OK, is there a problem with auto-joining Jabber MUCs?
17:08:28 <clokep_work> I wouldn't think that'd affect this.
17:08:44 * Mic neither, but maybe we've got another bug to file?
17:12:15 <Mic> pff, the two Jabber accounts that I have suffer from certificate problems.
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17:13:59 <clokep_work> Mic: flip the pref. :P
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17:19:52 <Andrey> no, it not messenger.account.account1.autoJoin; i try seet it to default and change, bug still
17:20:11 <Andrey> now i use new profile without a bug
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17:26:27 <clokep_work> Andrey: Great! I wonder what went wrong in your profile. :(
17:26:48 <Andrey> probably
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17:27:30 <Andrey> thanks for help, i turning off my pc, bye
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17:44:29 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1107 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
17:44:30 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 918 to bug 1107.
17:44:31 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from the wind for attachment 918 on bug 1107.
17:44:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1107 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Contact list section header styling for Linux
17:45:14 <Mic> aleth: can you add a screenshot too?
17:46:02 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 919 to bug 1107.
17:46:13 <clokep_work> That's also not a patch. :-/
17:46:13 <aleth> Can't add multiple attachments at once...
17:46:43 <clokep_work> Took me a minute to find the text inside of it. :-D
17:47:42 <aleth> clokep_work: Well, it's a patch in the sense that you can append it to the existing blist.css. Sorry it's not a diff, but I was working directly on the Linux blist.css, and a diff with that would not be helpful I think.
17:48:27 <Mic> aleth: do you know how to use Mercurial?
17:48:37 <aleth> Mic: I can't set up a dev environment atm
17:48:46 <Mic> OK
17:48:54 <aleth> Otherwise I would...
17:49:47 <clokep_work> Looks nice though. :)
17:53:19 <aleth> Thanks :)
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18:18:56 <FeuerFliege> I had to kill instandbird. Not responding 100% at one CPU core and nearly 1000MB RAM usage.
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18:25:23 <FeuerFliege> I created a test twitter account (observed some tags like #fail,#sexy# and some other popular tags) this morning and left instantbird running. This account got several thousand tweets an hour. Reopen the parked room worked quite well but now i tried to reopen it after I left at ~5 o clock. 
18:25:48 <FeuerFliege> Maybe there should be a max value of unread postings
18:35:17 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1108 filed by do.not.deliver@gmx.de.
18:35:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Names of folder and files are not checked against forbidden names.
18:35:40 <aleth> FeuerFliege: That sounds like it would be worth filing as a bug
18:36:15 <FeuerFliege> aleth: I will try to reproduce first.
18:37:20 <FeuerFliege> bye, will be back tomorrow
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19:20:52 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1109 filed by michal.stanke@mikk.cz.
19:20:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1109 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Tray icon according to status
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19:34:48 <dat-brot> is there a mobile version? 
19:36:19 <clokep_work> dat-brot: No, but there's some interest in making one for Android, but a new UI would need to be made!
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21:07:20 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 920 to bug 1036.
21:07:21 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 920 on bug 1036.
21:07:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1036 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, /say does not have help information
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21:30:30 <WilliamH> Hi all, it looks like this bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805 is still a problem in 1.1.
21:30:33 <instantbot> Bug 805 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Missing authorization request when being added (for Yahoo Messenger account)
21:31:03 <clokep> WilliamH: That doesn't surprise me, it hasn't been fixed! :)
21:31:16 <clokep> Although I guess it's unconfirmed still...
21:31:47 <clokep> :(
21:31:55 <WilliamH> It definitely happens here. If someone adds me on yahoo, I do not see the authorization request.
21:32:39 <clokep> I know we want to redo a lot of stuff about authorization requests in general, but IDK when that'll happen. :-/
21:34:06 <WilliamH> So what's the best way to allow someone to add me on yahoo in the meantime? log into yahoo messenger and give them permission that way?
21:35:31 <clokep> One second, phone. :)
21:37:50 <WilliamH> clokep: ok, no problem.
21:41:22 <clokep> WilliamH: Yes, that's probably the best way that I know of. :-/ I don't really use YMSG, sorry.
21:42:01 <WilliamH> Ok no problem.
21:45:34 <clokep> ecaron: Can I do a sublist inside of WordPress?
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21:46:41 <ecaron> I think so, just hit the indent button again.
21:46:59 <ecaron> If it is indented twice in the editor but not looking good in the preview, let me know and I'll take a whack at the CSS
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21:50:25 <clokep> "indent"? I just hit the bulleted list button, if I hit it again the list goes away.
21:50:50 <clokep> Ah I found it!
21:50:56 <clokep> I had to show the "kitchen sink". :)
21:52:30 <ecaron> tinymce... they think they're so clever
21:52:34 <ecaron> probably because they are
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21:55:59 <clokep> All editors suck in my opinion. :P
21:56:12 <clokep> I'm close to done w/ the weekly meeting post though.
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22:05:15 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org :
22:05:16 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/2011/10/weekly-meeting-october-17-2011/ - Weekly Meeting: October 17, 2011
22:05:29 <clokep> PS ecaron turning emails on for comments, seems to be only for your own post? I did not get an email about the post on the 1.1 release.
22:05:37 <clokep> (Or it went into my spam...which is always possible.)
22:05:45 <ecaron> i noticed that too, emails only go to author
22:06:12 <clokep> I used your post as a template, hope you don't mind!
22:06:13 <ecaron> i could install this: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/notifications-to-all-administrators/
22:06:44 <clokep> There seems to be a plug-in for everything. :)
22:06:54 <ecaron> our posts need more pictures
22:07:04 <ecaron> your post looks great
22:07:24 <clokep> Yes, pictures help. :(
22:07:47 <ecaron> baby steps:) Hurray for a frequently updated blog!
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22:10:21 <clokep> Yup! Gives us a deadline to post the weekly meeting notes too. ;)
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23:08:01 <aleth> clokep: Is there a list of the interruptions manager event reasons somewhere?
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23:44:57 * clokep likes that we're leaving flo a nice review queue. :)
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23:47:42 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1110 filed by Prescience500@gmail.com.
23:47:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1110 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Control text color of outgoing messages without effecting any other text
23:48:58 * aleth thinks he should come up with a bug 1111
23:49:10 <clokep> Not if I get it first!
23:49:17 <Mook_as> "happy 4 years instantbird?"
23:49:24 <Mook_as> (they're candles!)
23:49:31 <clokep> That wa s afew days ago. ;)
23:49:42 <aleth> that's the bug ;)
23:49:42 <Mook_as> I don't think bugzilla got a cake ;)
23:49:55 <clokep> I don't think so either. :(
23:50:06 <clokep> Welll, it's OK though. We get a surprise soon!
23:50:17 <aleth> do you get cakes from the pidgin team like FF from IE? :P
23:50:35 <clokep> Hahah, no they mostly ignore us except for when we fix bugs for them. ;)
23:50:53 <Mook_as> aim for cakes from the MSN Messenger team! :D
23:51:27 <clokep> Wait, wait. So would we get them from Windows Live Messenger + the Skype team now? :P They're both MS.
23:52:10 <Mook_as> only if ib gets successful enough before they merge :p
23:52:34 <clokep> :(
23:52:55 <aleth> Skype will probably come up with an add-on that they force-install into IB
23:52:58 <aleth> ;)
23:53:32 <Mook_as> ib doesn't have voice chat yet... or video...
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23:53:35 <aleth> at least I think FF was having trouble with that kind of thing...
23:54:14 <clokep> aleth: Yes, Skype has a thing tha tmakes phone #s into Skype links, but it like iterates over the whole DOM and is kind of crappy and Firefox keeps blocking it. :P
23:54:26 <clokep> I'd like voice/video a lot. :( Could let me uninstall Skype.
23:55:16 <Mook_as> it's slow because they want to watch for when the DOM changes and phone numbers show up.
23:55:25 <clokep> Although I'd have to convince people I call to switch to something that has VV too. :-D
23:55:39 <Mook_as> it's also slow because they only API available for that is slow, and gecko folks aren't really interested in making a faster one :p
23:56:08 <clokep> It's open source. ;)
23:58:34 <clokep> You know, sometimes I think it'd be nice if desktop programs auto-corrected typos like phones do.