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00:13:13 <flo> Good night 00:13:15 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 00:15:55 <clokep> Goodnight! 00:15:59 <clokep> Just installed the extensions. :) 00:21:06 <-- devfil has quit (Client exited) 00:34:54 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 00:52:04 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 01:04:16 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 01:05:16 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 01:08:05 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 01:10:35 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 01:25:06 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 01:59:50 <-- v17al1 has quit (Ping timeout) 02:00:45 --> v17al has joined #instantbird 02:06:21 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 02:13:29 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 02:18:59 <-- clokep has left #instantbird () 02:46:10 <-- rikki has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 02:47:15 <-- ironhead has quit (Ping timeout) 02:57:54 <-- ecaron has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 04:03:17 <-- timA|away has quit (gravel.mozilla.org sand.mozilla.org) 04:03:17 <-- Nitrox has quit (gravel.mozilla.org sand.mozilla.org) 04:03:17 <-- lewellyn has quit (gravel.mozilla.org sand.mozilla.org) 04:03:17 <-- douglaswth has quit (gravel.mozilla.org sand.mozilla.org) 04:03:17 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (gravel.mozilla.org sand.mozilla.org) 04:03:17 <-- harisund has quit (gravel.mozilla.org sand.mozilla.org) 04:03:17 <-- Morian has quit (gravel.mozilla.org sand.mozilla.org) 04:03:17 <-- v17al has quit (gravel.mozilla.org sand.mozilla.org) 04:03:17 <-- MattATobin has quit (gravel.mozilla.org sand.mozilla.org) 04:03:17 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (gravel.mozilla.org sand.mozilla.org) 04:03:44 --> v17al has joined #instantbird 04:03:44 --> timA|away has joined #instantbird 04:03:44 --> Nitrox has joined #instantbird 04:03:44 --> MattATobin has joined #instantbird 04:03:44 --> lewellyn has joined #instantbird 04:03:44 --> douglaswth has joined #instantbird 04:03:44 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 04:03:44 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 04:03:44 --> harisund has joined #instantbird 04:03:44 --> Morian has joined #instantbird 04:03:44 * sand.mozilla.org sets mode +h Morian 04:04:38 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 05:37:24 <-- v17al has quit (Ping timeout) 05:39:27 --> v17al has joined #instantbird 06:27:41 --> jb has joined #instantbird 06:44:26 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 07:59:46 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 08:13:24 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 08:17:09 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 08:35:13 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 08:55:36 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 09:17:48 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 09:19:48 --> flo has joined #instantbird 09:19:49 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:39:59 <flo> hello :) 09:47:30 <FeuerFliege> hello 10:06:02 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 10:06:11 <flo> the crash reports we are getting for 1.1 seem to confirm that the oscar top crasher we have had for a long time (before 0.2, and up to 1.0) is really gone :). 10:12:47 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:12:47 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:13:05 <Mic> Ah, nightlies again :) 10:14:49 <flo> yes :) 10:22:47 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 10:32:21 <flo> did we mean to post on the blog about our weekly meeting of monday? 10:34:33 <flo> I'm probably not going to finish the No Spam add-on soon, so if anybody is interested in taking it over, feel free :) 10:48:56 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 913 to bug 1088. 10:48:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1088 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Twitter timeline's normalizedName shouldn't be localized 11:00:07 <flo> uh, the rot13 add-on really makes it difficult to test the patch for bug 1095 :-D 11:00:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1095 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, No notification when the user's nick is mentioned in the twitter timeline 11:03:04 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 11:12:35 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 11:16:01 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 11:21:32 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 11:22:55 <FeuerFliege> The names of folders and files that instantbird creates are not checked against forbidden names. 11:25:14 <Mic> Is there any case where we might run into problems? 11:27:24 <Mic> Or is it something someone could abuse for something? 11:37:40 --> jb has joined #instantbird 11:48:51 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 11:49:30 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:49:30 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 11:51:36 <clokep_work> flo: We should post about Monday's meeting, yes. :) 11:58:38 <-- Andrey has quit (Connection reset by peer) 11:58:45 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 12:00:37 --> flo has joined #instantbird 12:00:37 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 12:02:53 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 12:11:30 <-- mmkmou has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:12:18 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 12:19:07 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 12:24:03 <clokep_work> flo: What's left for the anti-spam add-on? Having a list of names to block or something? 12:24:16 <clokep_work> Right now it blocks everyone not on your buddy list, I think? 12:24:20 <flo> preferences to block per protocol or per account 12:25:56 <flo> it's not an add-on to block specific people. 12:26:47 <clokep_work> So block people not on your buddy list from AIM, but let people not on your buddy list from IRC through? 12:27:07 <flo> exactly! :) 12:27:27 <flo> I think I would also block strangers on Netsoul ;) 12:29:13 <flo> there's really something wrong in the timing of receiving twitter replies 12:30:10 <flo> it goes like this: 1. My phone beeps, saying I've a new email. 12:30:48 <flo> I focus the Gmail app tab in my Firefox. Nothing new there. I force gmail to refresh the inbox. 2-3s later, an email from twitter "... replied to one of your Tweets!" appears 12:31:07 <flo> ~5s later, the reply appears in the twitter stream and I have it in Instantbird. 12:31:36 <clokep_work> It could just be the email sent is faster then it being sent to the stream. 12:31:47 <flo> yeah 12:32:01 <flo> but the twitter stream is extremely slow, nowhere near "instant". 12:32:25 <flo> + gmail on a machine with a fast internet connection is slower than gmail on my cell phone with a very poor 3G connection. 12:32:32 <clokep_work> I'm more surprised by you getting on your phone first. 12:32:34 <clokep_work> Yeah. 12:32:36 <flo> both feel wrong 12:33:43 <flo> twitter would definitely be more pleasurable to use if messages took less than 1s to be delivered though. 12:33:55 <flo> especially the messages that are explicitly targeted to you 12:35:42 <clokep_work> Yes. :( I generally think of it as short email messages though. Not expecting it to be instantaneous. 12:35:58 <clokep_work> It takes a second or two to get your own tweet back from the server after we send it! 12:35:59 <flo> emails are faster (on a phone at least) 12:36:59 <flo> I think they manager to hide very well the slowness of the system because the tweet has a unique timestamp. Which is several seconds after the tweet is actually sent, and several seconds before it's received. 12:39:52 <clokep_work> Oh, really? Interesting. 12:40:03 <clokep_work> I've never really checked my own timestamp. 12:40:23 <flo> when you send a tweet to yourself (if you have 2 test accounts), you will see that the timestamp is the same in both tabs 12:41:21 <clokep_work> Well that makes sense because they're both sent to us from the server, right? 12:41:32 <flo> sure, it makes sense 12:41:38 <flo> it just makes the lag difficult to verify 12:42:10 <clokep_work> Ah, you'd need to give a timestamp of when you sent it and then see the timestamp on the message when received and the timestamp of when you received it... 12:42:16 <clokep_work> but that assumes your clock is in sync with the server. :) 12:43:11 <flo> well, I just need to measure the difference between when I sent, when I've the confirmation that it's sent, and when I receive it in the other tab 12:44:18 <flo> hmm, after enabling ntpd, my clock is still ~ half an hour late on the server hosting the blog :( 12:46:29 <clokep_work> That's weird. :-/ 12:47:51 <clokep_work> (FYI: I will not be able to attend Monday's weekly meeting either.) 12:51:20 <flo> heh, so that meeting will either be only on etherpad over a longer time, or on the contact mailing list ;) 12:52:24 <clokep_work> Yes. :) Well if Mic, aleth and ecaron are there...that's still a meeting. ;) 12:52:36 * clokep_work is now known as clokep_meeting 13:07:42 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 13:28:06 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1000 to FIXED. 13:28:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1000 enh, --, 1.1, florian, RESO FIXED, Minimize user interruptions 14:21:43 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 14:33:26 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 14:34:06 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 14:37:40 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 14:37:41 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 14:45:02 <-- jb has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 14:55:27 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 14:59:24 <-- ecaron has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 14:59:25 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 15:01:09 <ecaron> Could someone help me figure out a response to these recent tweets: http://twitter.com/#!/rdlf2048 15:02:37 <flo> maybe we can RT "Instantbird: bon petit IM sous Windows, rapide et très simple" (it means "Instantbird: good small IM on Windows, fast and very simple") 15:04:00 <flo> ecaron: for his " I need to be warned about whenever people gets online/offline/idle etc." request, Mic wrote an add-on for that 15:04:25 <ecaron> I was looking for that addon. I figured it would have the word pounce in it. 15:04:51 <flo> for all the tweets before... why is it so important to him to know which network people are using? 15:04:59 <aleth> ecaron: Also, he is free to tag his contacts any way he likes 15:05:00 <ecaron> I assume you're talking about AMO 300 15:05:10 <flo> ecaron: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/253 15:07:46 <ecaron> He's a part of a big startup incubator, so definitely a fringe case user. 15:08:01 <ecaron> That said, any ib advocate is a good one:) 15:09:26 <clokep_meeting> ecaron: What is AMO 300? 15:09:51 <ecaron> I was hoping instantbot could give info on plugins just like it does on bugs. 15:09:56 <flo> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/300 ? Not a very interesting add-on ;) 15:10:25 <ecaron> No, 253 is much better than 300. But in searching for a plugin that seemed to do what the user wanted, I only found 300 - not 253. 15:10:59 <flo> wasn't there someone asking for "Always on Top" here recently? Mic has it covered already: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/262 (although it's not marked compatible with 1.1) 15:11:30 <clokep_meeting> flo: FeurF something was, yes. 15:11:47 <clokep_meeting> And ecaron I don't think he has a module for that, and "pounce" is Pidgin terminology I think. 15:12:59 <ecaron> Miranda uses pounce, and its in urban dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=IM-pounce) 15:18:48 <flo> ecaron: haven't you seen my reply to Ludovic (lhirlimann)? 15:21:00 <ecaron> sorry, i hadn't. kudos on fixing it. 15:21:01 <flo> ecaron: http://twitter.com/#!/fqueze/status/126761272103546880 15:21:28 <flo> actually, I should hg push for the fix to be in tomorrow's nightly :) 15:24:19 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:26:37 <-- Andrey has quit (Quit: ) 15:32:18 <clokep_meeting> ecaron: Ah, didn't realize it was used that much. :) 15:33:31 <flo> oh, google is closing Code Search (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/fall-sweep.html) 15:42:07 <clokep_meeting> Yes. I saw that. :( 15:49:15 --> MadWookiee has joined #instantbird 15:49:29 <-- MadWookiee has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 15:49:31 --> MadWookiee has joined #instantbird 15:50:05 <MadWookiee> hello there 15:50:26 <clokep_meeting> Hello MadWookiee. 15:52:03 <MadWookiee> I just upgraded my instantbird client, and now I 'm not able to connect to openfire server... Does someone have an idea ? 15:52:49 <flo> does it use a self signed SSL certificate? 15:53:06 <MadWookiee> i think yes, it's a private xmpp server 15:53:25 <flo> then you need to either import the certificate, or disable certificate checking 15:54:41 <MadWookiee> thanks, i will see that 15:55:14 <MadWookiee> (but i think the message "SSL handchecking fail" is not so obvious ^^ 15:55:35 <flo> the preference to toggle to disable certificate checking is purple.ssl.check_certificates (in the advanced configuration editor) 15:55:43 <clokep_meeting> It could be because of many different reasons MadWookiee. 15:56:12 <flo> but if you can download the right certificate and import it, it's better for your security ;) 15:57:56 <MadWookiee> sure ! 15:58:19 <MadWookiee> I'm sorry, but I don't find "advanced configuration editor", is that a plug-in ? 15:58:48 <clokep_meeting> Tools > Options > Advanced > "Config editor" I think. 15:59:08 <MadWookiee> many thanks ! 15:59:21 <clokep_meeting> There might be another set of tabs inside of "Advanced" :( It's on the first one though. 15:59:39 <MadWookiee> yes I found it 16:01:23 <MadWookiee> it work perfectly, thanks everybody \o/ 16:02:49 <-- devfil has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:04:31 <MadWookiee> is there a dedicated site where to request improvement on instant bird, or must I do them here ? 16:04:56 <flo> enhancement requests can be filed at bugzilla.instantbird.org 16:05:02 <flo> if you need/want to discuss them, here is the right place :) 16:05:21 <flo> (bugzilla is much better to ensure we don't forget though :)) 16:06:23 <MadWookiee> sure ^^ so I can ask your view on a request, and then post it on bugzilla if you think it's relevant 16:10:04 <MadWookiee> first of my request is : Is there a way to discover channels of a server ? (i think about the /list function of IRC) 16:11:46 <clokep_meeting> There isn't a way to do it currently, but I think we have a bug on file about that. 16:12:51 <clokep_meeting> bug 500 and bug 1003 are related 16:12:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Autocomplete / drop down for chat rooms in Join Chat menu 16:12:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "Discover this network" for IRC (list channels, topics,..) 16:12:58 <clokep_meeting> Not exactly the same though. 16:13:57 <flo> ecaron: are you replying to him on twitter? It's definitely a bug of the mozilla platform. The only correct bugzilla result I've found is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637074 (surprising that it's filed in 2011, this bug has existed forever :-D) 16:14:41 <MadWookiee> nice 16:16:42 <ecaron> no, but i can 16:17:01 <MadWookiee> and my last request (for the moment) : what about a line before the first message received after you close a group discussion ? (like Weechat) 16:17:28 <flo> maybe also https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488566 (windows only) 16:19:45 <MadWookiee> hmm I don't think it match : in weechat, when you leave a group discussion window, it keep the last line of the conversation, and if you reopen the window, a line appears where you leaved the conversation 16:20:13 <flo> which message theme do you use? 16:20:19 <MadWookiee> I don't know if I'm clear (excuse me for my english) 16:20:30 <-- hunsly has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 16:20:52 <MadWookiee> I use 'simple' 16:21:04 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 16:21:15 <flo> if there's something specific you have a really hard time explaining in English, you can tell if in French and someone will translate for you. Thanks for trying to keep the conversation in english :) 16:21:58 <flo> MadWookiee: the bubbles theme (the default) display old messages differently. aleth wrote a patch for that for other message themes that are included by default, but it wasn't ready in time for 1.1. 16:22:10 <flo> bug 1074 16:22:13 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 16:22:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1074 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Default message styles lack context message support and override font choice 16:24:47 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:25:16 <MadWookiee> nope, i don't the the difference, with bubble theme or not ^^ 16:26:19 <MadWookiee> i don't SEE the difference* 16:28:43 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 16:28:47 <MadWookiee> so, i will leave. thanks for your help ^^ 16:31:37 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:32:35 <flo> MadWookiee: it's possible I didn't understand what you meant by "when you leave a group discussion window, [...], and if you reopen the window" 16:35:43 <MadWookiee> with the 1.1 instantbird version come a feature called "conversation holding", that display the count of new messages since you "holded" the conversation... I'm (trying to) explain that it could be usefull to have a way of identify the first of all message received while conversion were held 16:36:13 <MadWookiee> with a line (like weechat) or a button to go directly to the message 16:36:55 <flo> in Bubble the messages that have already been displayed in the past appear differently (and go back to their normal appeareance while they are hovered) 16:39:53 <MadWookiee> sorry, I don't see the 'difference' you talk about 16:42:38 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 16:43:06 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 16:44:12 <flo> MadWookiee: http://i.imgur.com/W9huY.png you see the difference between the first 4 messages and the last 3? 16:46:27 <MadWookiee> are you talking about saturation modification ? 16:46:43 <flo> yes 16:46:54 <MadWookiee> ok. 16:47:12 <MadWookiee> really, really not obvious ^^ 16:47:24 <flo> hmm, is that a kind of change that happens to be completely invisible to colorblind people? :-/ 16:48:21 <MadWookiee> i'm not colorblind but i think the effect is not strong enough 16:48:57 <flo> it's totally obvious for me 16:49:01 <flo> impossible to miss 16:49:06 <MadWookiee> for me, the bubbles colors don't match with the colors in the participants list 16:49:09 <flo> it may also depend on the setting of your screen 16:49:29 <MadWookiee> so for me, there is just awfull colors and more awfull colors... 16:49:38 <-- ecaron has quit (Ping timeout) 16:49:53 <MadWookiee> yes, it's true, on another screen, i have a lot more colors 16:50:07 <MadWookiee> I will try in a couple of hours 16:50:16 <aleth> MadWookie: you could try this add-on https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/302/ 16:50:46 <aleth> (written because I also wanted more visual distinction ;) ) 16:51:08 <MadWookiee> on the preview in the link, the distinction is more clear 16:51:25 <MadWookiee> but there is only two contacts talking 16:51:42 <MadWookiee> in a chatroom, there is too many colors to identify (for me) 16:51:44 <aleth> You can always uninstall it if you don't like it 16:51:48 <aleth> To some extent it's a matter of taste what one prefers... 16:52:56 <MadWookiee> and, i dislike the bubble theme. But at least, you confirmed that the distinction is possible, and it juste a choice of theme's developpers 16:53:15 <MadWookiee> it's just a choice* 16:53:32 <aleth> As flo said, if you install the nightly version, the other themes should get support for this soon as well 16:53:47 <MadWookiee> ok 16:54:12 <aleth> Btw the Minimal2 style also has a quite strong distinction - all the older messages are light gray 16:54:17 <MadWookiee> now flo said me it was the saturation effect, it's just a bit more clear ^^ 16:55:21 <aleth> (But I'm not sure if the bugfixed Minimal2 is on the add-on site - did it get uploaded yet flo?) 16:55:53 <MadWookiee> i'm leaving. bye and thanks, all ! 16:56:03 <-- MadWookiee has left #instantbird () 16:56:37 <flo> aleth: uh, if *I* needed to do something about it, then I've completely forgotten, sorry :( 16:57:02 <aleth> Long time ago... 16:57:17 <aleth> It's somewhere in some email queue you asked me to send it to 16:57:32 <flo> I've probably starred that email 16:59:08 * timA|away is now known as timA 17:00:37 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 17:22:38 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 17:23:14 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 17:24:57 <clokep_meeting> Mibbit uses a red line too to show old messages. 17:24:59 <clokep_meeting> It's nice. :) 17:26:43 <aleth> There's a bug for it somewhere afaik 17:26:58 <aleth> maybe in the context of IRC / IRC rewrite 17:27:10 <clokep_meeting> I have half an extension for it. 17:28:13 <aleth> xchat has it too 17:28:44 <clokep_meeting> Adding a line there should be fairly easy now in the message theme, no? 17:29:00 <clokep_meeting> Althouhg I wanted it even when you went away from a tab. 17:29:08 <clokep_meeting> So things would be come "context" whenever you browse off a tab. 17:29:15 <aleth> Yes, you would want it consistently 17:29:16 <aleth> exactly 17:29:23 <aleth> Not so easy... 17:29:47 <Mook_as> gaze tracking! :p 17:30:10 <aleth> Related: Scroll to first unread message on reopen hidden conv. 17:33:00 <flo> if we are reopening the conversation because someone is pinging you right now, it may not be a super idea to scroll up 17:36:50 <Mook_as> depends on the user; (on IRC) I always try to skim scrollback first. 17:37:41 <clokep_meeting> Mook_as: In that case it might be best to scroll to the ping at the bottom? 17:38:26 <flo> Mook_as: I tend to look at who's pinging first, and if there seems to be a valid reason for the ping. If it's just spam, I go back to what I was doing :) 17:38:57 <Mook_as> spampingspampingspampingspampingspampingspampingspampingspampingspampingspamping 17:39:32 <Mook_as> wait, I didn't include a name _or_ a penis-related product; I suck at spamming. 17:43:28 <clokep_meeting> So Mook_as what else do we need to do to IRC to get you to use Instantbird? ;) 17:44:41 <Mook_as> hmm. I need to fix unibrow again to get the channel list (well, hidden or whatever conversations, including the open ones) attached to the chat window 17:44:50 <Mook_as> then I think that's pretty much it 17:44:57 <Mook_as> oh, and be ugly, maybe ;) 17:46:02 <flo> it needs to be ugly for you to use it? 17:46:09 <flo> I'm sure themes can help with that :-D 17:46:29 <clokep_meeting> Alright. :) 17:46:37 <clokep_meeting> The other thing was chat invitations right? But those should work now. 17:46:41 <clokep_meeting> (Just don't use Sametime.) 17:46:56 <Mook_as> well, going by the fact that I've used cz for so long, I'm assuming that's what I'm used to :D 17:47:26 <Mook_as> invitations was for a songbird channel; I don't go there anymore (due to not wanting to accidentally overhear sensitive stuff), so it's fine now 17:47:26 <clokep_meeting> Hmm....make a CZ theme for Instantbird? :P 17:48:58 <clokep_meeting> Ah, OK. :) 17:49:04 <clokep_meeting> Yeah...Songbird... 18:02:16 <-- devfil has quit (Ping timeout) 18:04:04 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 18:07:02 * timA is now known as timA|mtg 18:10:09 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 18:16:21 --> fespinoza has joined #instantbird 18:16:35 <fespinoza> hello 18:17:35 <aleth> hi fespinoza 18:17:42 <fespinoza> I am just trying instantbird for the first time and I have a question: How can I see an irc server's channel list? If I do /list I don't see the output anywhere 18:17:53 <fespinoza> hi aleth 18:18:12 <aleth> Unfortunately that feature doesn't exist yet. It's on the list though 18:18:32 <fespinoza> k 18:18:34 <fespinoza> thank you 18:18:49 <fespinoza> I will go back to pidgin for IRC stuff then. 18:19:00 <-- fespinoza has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 18:57:45 * timA|mtg is now known as timA 19:01:43 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 19:11:43 --> MadWookiee has joined #instantbird 19:11:53 <MadWookiee> Hi there 19:12:03 <MadWookiee> hi aleth 19:14:21 <aleth> hi MadWookiee 19:14:53 <MadWookiee> I just tried the bubble theme on a 'true' screen 19:15:27 <MadWookiee> and it's true, the difference between the 'old' message and the newer are clearly obvious 19:15:46 <aleth> Yes 19:16:03 <aleth> There are many ways to represent the difference though, so it's good to have a choice 19:17:21 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1097 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm. 19:17:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tab complete is case sensitive 19:19:30 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:19:30 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 19:20:06 <Mic> Is there any sane way how you can follow two people discussing on Twitter? 19:20:59 --> jb has joined #instantbird 19:22:42 <Mic> Dear http://twitter.com/#!/rdlf2048, the cons with that add-on is that it uses the crappy built-in alert system, btw. 19:23:20 <Mic> I'd really like to replace that with something fancy on Windows (Linux & MacOs users should better use their OS notification system?) 19:25:39 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 19:26:03 <aleth> For Mac it's called Growl afaik, on Linux it's DBus or notify-send/libnotify 19:26:18 <aleth> Just spotted this code which might be useful https://code.google.com/p/pidgin-knotifications/ 19:26:35 <clokep_meeting> Mic: No, there isn't. 19:27:12 <Mic> clokep_meeting: hmm, there isn't what? 19:28:24 <Mic> I know I used lib-notify stuff once and I had heard of Growl iirc 19:28:30 --> jb has joined #instantbird 19:28:47 <clokep_meeting> Mic: "Is there any sane way how you can follow two people discussing on Twitter?" 19:28:52 --> flo has joined #instantbird 19:28:52 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:28:54 <clokep_meeting> You can kind of follow on the website, but it's crappy. 19:29:11 <Mic> Ah, ok. It really sucks to have to go from one profile to the other on the website but it's really broken imo 19:29:21 <clokep_meeting> aleth: Mozilla stuff use Growl on Mac yes, I think it uses libnotify on Linux (If it's available, otherwise the same as Windows). 19:29:47 <Mic> You click a message and ... the message is shown a second time on the right side of the window. 19:29:51 <Mic> Great feature! :( 19:30:31 <aleth> Having conversations via twitter is a pain. 19:30:36 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird 19:31:29 <Mic> "The contact grouping sounds like a really interesting concept, though maybe a niche use-case." what does this mean btw? 19:31:40 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 19:31:43 <flo> Mic: it shows the thread of replies on the right part of the screen 19:32:02 <flo> who said that? 19:32:43 <Mic> "instantbird" in one of the tweets to this user I mentioned earlier 19:33:12 <clokep_meeting> Mic: It means he thinks it's useless for most people. 19:34:07 <flo> ah, ecaron then 19:34:19 <Mic> If that guy contacts me I'm happy to help but I won't try to figure out what happened in this conversation .. 19:34:29 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 19:34:33 <flo> uh, yeah, probably a politically correct way to say it's not wanted :) 19:34:52 <ecaron> Precisely. 19:35:43 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 19:36:09 <flo> hmm, so can we tell the twitter stream that we want to see the @ replies sent by people we follow? 19:36:21 <Mic> I know that the alert system sucks and should be replaced .. 19:36:31 <flo> it's super annoying that I don't see the replies sent by @instantbird if they don't contain the word "instantbird", I risk double-replying all the time :( 19:36:38 <Mic> .. and it's even in the add-on description. 19:36:46 <Mic> Even that I'd like to replace it. 19:37:01 <flo> that's https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488566, which I mentioned earlier ;) 19:37:14 <Mic> This is a WONTFIX, isn't it? 19:37:22 <Mic> hmm? 19:37:31 <Mic> Oh, a different bug than I expected ;) 19:37:53 <flo> Mic: try to avoid being frustrated by people not reading the description you took the time to write, because people complaining before taking the time to read is definitely and unfortunately WONTFIX ;). 19:38:54 <Mic> The description is too long btw ;) 19:44:02 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 19:53:04 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 19:59:01 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 20:07:14 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:09:46 * timA is now known as timA|mtg 20:19:55 <Mook_as> Mic: I've a partially-finished reimplementation of the crappy built-in alert system that deals with multiple alerts at once, but it's not polished enough yet 20:20:38 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 20:20:46 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 20:31:06 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 20:31:11 * timA|mtg is now known as timA 20:36:43 <-- clokep_meeting has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:43:33 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 20:51:43 <flo> I'm ready to push the patches for bug 1095, bug 1088, bug 1081, bug 948, bug 763, bug 1073 and bug 1031. Have I missed someone's pet bug (with a reviewed patch)? 20:51:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1095 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, No notification when the user's nick is mentioned in the twitter timeline 20:51:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1088 nor, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Twitter timeline's normalizedName shouldn't be localized 20:51:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1081 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, White variant of default Papersheets message style fails in MUCs 20:51:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message) 20:51:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763 min, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Allow middle-click on IRC nick 20:54:33 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 895 on bug 1031. 20:54:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1031 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove the optional last parameter from addEventListener calls 20:54:53 <flo> instantbot: you haven't mentioned bug 1073 ;) 20:54:56 <instantbot> flo: Sorry, I've no idea what 'you haven't mentioned bug 1073 ;)' might be. 20:55:19 <flo> stupid bot... 20:55:21 <flo> bug 1073 20:55:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1073 min, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Follow-up to bug 504: remove a now unused field from group.xml 20:58:31 <flo> that push completely messed up the en-US repository :( 21:03:42 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/dbe3294cbe8c - Florian Quèze - Libpurple callbacks returning a boolean value should use gboolean rather than PRBool. 21:03:44 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/8fbd4dce3bbd - aleth - Bug 1081 - White variant of the Papersheets message style isn't white in MUCs, r=fqueze. 21:03:45 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3ae73e3b04e0 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1088 - Twitter timeline's normalizedName shouldn't be localized, r=clokep. 21:03:46 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/951973812c10 - v17al - Bug 763 - Allow middle-click on IRC nick, r=fqueze. 21:03:47 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/00f58c19af0e - v17al - Bug 948 - Add hidden prefs for finer control over sound notifications, r=fqueze. 21:03:48 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/f747753078ba - Benedikt Pfeifer - Bug 1073 - Follow-up to bug 504: remove a now unused field from group.xml, r=fqueze. 21:03:49 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/937d6c06b2d8 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1095 - No notification when the user's nick is mentioned in the twitter timeline, r=clokep. 21:03:50 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/dd0ee8d3a2b6 - Benedikt Pfeifer - Bug 1031 - Remove the optional last parameter from addEventListener calls, r=fqueze. 21:09:06 <-- v17al has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 21:10:47 --> v17al has joined #instantbird 21:11:32 <v17al> Hey Flo I see you have added my sound preference changes 21:12:29 <v17al> I was just wondering if you were going to update the version number of the nightlies to 1.2apre? If that's the case I'll update the addon as such 21:13:01 <flo> it's already done, just click "check for update" in your nightly ;) 21:14:52 <flo> I've reverted to en-US repository to the state it had before my push. 21:15:11 <flo> I'll need to figure out sooner rather than later why pushing something to the code repository breaks it 21:21:11 <-- jb1 has quit (Ping timeout) 21:30:58 <flo> if anybody with editbugs feels like resolving all these bugs as fixed (and paste the changeset URL, and don't forget to set the target milestone to 1.2), go ahead, that will be appreciated :). 21:34:10 <v17al> flo: Is there any way I can make it so my addon will be modifiable by others. This way you guys can throw in a quick change when instantbird is updated. 21:35:18 <EionRobb> couldn't you just set the max version of the addon to be * ? 21:38:21 <flo> v17al: the maxVersion can be updated from the addons website, without uploading a new xpi file 21:38:39 <v17al> Sweet, thanks 21:38:59 <flo> EionRobb: the addons website wouldn't accept that. 21:39:28 <EionRobb> you should fix that while you're adding in FT ;) 21:42:12 <flo> how are these 2 things related? 21:42:17 <flo> or is it a way to say "never"? :-P 21:42:53 <flo> + it's not a bug. Add-ons should only be marked compatible with versions of the application they have been tested with 21:47:38 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 21:48:36 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 21:55:03 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 22:13:26 <-- Nitrox has quit (Quit: Leaving) 22:17:53 <flo> Good night. I probably won't be online tomorrow (at least not at the usual time). 22:17:57 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2a1pre) 22:24:36 * timA is now known as timA|latelatelunch 22:26:10 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 22:28:47 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:28:47 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 22:29:46 <-- ecaron has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 22:32:38 <clokep> I'll close those bugs after I eat. :) 22:36:34 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1073 to FIXED. 22:36:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1073 min, --, 1.2, benediktp, RESO FIXED, Follow-up to bug 504: remove a now unused field from group.xml 22:38:15 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1031 to FIXED. 22:38:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1031 tri, --, 1.2, benediktp, RESO FIXED, Remove the optional last parameter from addEventListener calls 22:39:47 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1095 to FIXED. 22:39:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1095 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, No notification when the user's nick is mentioned in the twitter timeline 22:40:04 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 22:43:28 <Mook_as> clokep: right, is the default IRC client the js-irc one yet, or is that still a while away? 22:44:03 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 948 to FIXED. 22:44:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, 1.2, mattdentremont, RESO FIXED, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message) 22:44:09 <clokep> Mook_as: Should be for 1.2. 22:44:20 <Mook_as> okay. I'll try it again then. 22:44:45 <Mook_as> (since I the way I use IRC at work I should be able to stand using a more iffy client :p ) 22:45:46 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 763 to FIXED. 22:45:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763 min, --, 1.2, mattdentremont, RESO FIXED, Allow middle-click on IRC nick 22:48:37 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1088 to FIXED. 22:48:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1088 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Twitter timeline's normalizedName shouldn't be localized 22:48:57 <clokep> Mook_as: Awesome! I have been having some issues with Freenode recently though. :( 22:49:22 <Mook_as> sounds like it won't affect me until I use it at home ;) 22:49:59 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1081 to FIXED. 22:50:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1081 nor, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, White variant of default Papersheets message style fails in MUCs 22:50:30 <clokep> Yeah. I tried adding a Ping timeout on the client side (so if your connection drops or you sleep your computer...it tries to reconnect when you get back). 22:50:41 <clokep> It has a 10 minute timeout but my freenode will randomly still reconnect then. :-/ 22:51:55 * timA|latelatelunch is now known as timA 22:59:52 <-- devfil has quit (Client exited) 23:06:39 <-- MadWookiee has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 23:15:15 <aleth> When (if ever) is the buddy list statusbar used? 23:15:54 <clokep> It's not used right now. I think we want to put something with accounts down there? 23:15:59 * clokep doesn't remember. 23:16:45 * aleth likes the contacts window to be as light as possible, so was surprised it had a status bar beyond a certain size 23:40:27 <clokep> Mic: You should get rid of those 1.1 searches. 23:40:31 <clokep> (Or just make them 1.2...) 23:40:43 <clokep> aleth: I agree, we should use it or comment it out or something. :( 23:45:42 * aleth votes for "comment it out" 23:46:08 <aleth> Not least because when you notice it exists on resize, you wonder if you have been missing anything 23:48:47 * clokep never knew it disappeared. 23:50:18 <aleth> You have to have your contact window quite small ;) 23:50:32 <clokep> Yeah, I keep mine vertically maximized. 23:56:38 <clokep> Any idea how to format this better so that it doesn't go over our character limit? :( http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1025