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Â :: core-networks.de Â«Â«Â« (Gamers.IRC) Â»Â»Â» gamersirc.net ::) 06:24:13 <-- Mook has quit (Connection reset by peer) 06:25:56 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 06:47:15 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 6.0/20110811165603]) 07:15:10 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 07:44:36 --> eson57 has joined #instantbird 07:45:28 <eson57> Good morning guys! :) 07:45:28 <eson57> There are some strings in websites that do not appear translated... 07:45:28 <eson57> file "press-images.properties" - string "imageResources=Image resources" 07:45:28 <eson57> file "releasenotes-1.1.properties" - string "whatsNew=What's new?" 07:45:28 <eson57> file "releasenotes-1.1.properties" - These translation strings ar missing... 07:45:28 <eson57> <h1>Instantbird 1.1 Release Notes</h1> 07:45:28 <eson57> <h2>Check out what's new and the known issues about the latest version of Instantbird. As always, you're encouraged to tell us what you think, by <a href="about.html#get_in_touch">giving feedback</a> or by <a href="http://bugzilla.instantbird.org">filing a bug in Bugzilla</a>..</h2> 07:46:52 <eson57> ...thought you might want to know ;) 07:53:37 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:58:00 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 08:00:27 <eson57> hrmm.. you can forget about the missing strings, I found what was wrong and fixed it! :-s 08:20:44 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 08:21:00 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 08:43:32 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:43:32 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 08:51:51 --> jb has joined #instantbird 08:54:42 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 08:57:05 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 09:01:02 --> flo has joined #instantbird 09:01:02 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:05:13 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 09:05:52 --> jb has joined #instantbird 09:08:44 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 09:10:43 --> flo has joined #instantbird 09:10:43 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:33:36 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 09:35:05 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 09:41:57 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 09:43:20 --> jb has joined #instantbird 09:48:00 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 09:52:50 <Mic> flo: how are the release preparations going? 09:53:50 <-- eson57 has left #instantbird () 09:55:51 <flo> Mic: hello :) 09:55:57 <flo> I'm creating the source tarball 09:56:12 <flo> (I thought I'd done that during the night, but apparently it failed :-/) 09:58:02 <flo> Even has bumped the maxVersion to 1.1.* on converted adium message themes 10:11:55 <flo> I don't understand how come we have users on old versions 10:12:03 <flo> users with 0.2b2 for example :-S 10:12:53 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:12:53 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:13:41 <flo> they are offered both a minor update to 0.2 and a major update to 1.0 10:14:44 <clokep> :( People don't like to upgrade. 10:15:00 <flo> in the logs there are people on 0.2 fetching the 1.0 upgrade 10:15:19 <flo> clokep: I suspect website authors don't upgrade their links and still offer the new Instantbird 0.2beta2 somewhere ;) 10:15:46 <clokep> Could we redirect those requests? 10:15:59 <clokep> (Unless you like specifically go to the ftp site or something?) 10:16:12 <flo> maybe we should 10:16:55 <flo> for example make all requests to ftp.instantbird.org in old release folders redirect to www.instantbird.com or to the same file on the latest release if the referer isn't from one of our sites 10:17:32 <flo> someone downloaded 0.2 today from a link on this page: http://www.gezginler.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?download=instantbird&lid=5307 10:18:49 <clokep> Is it possible to do the redirect unless the referrer is instantbird.com/org? 10:18:58 <flo> yes 10:18:59 <clokep> So if you really want to download an old version you can, but you have to go through us? 10:19:06 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 10:22:40 <Mic> Maybe we could have an extra warning on the page if the user was redirected there? 10:23:14 <flo> uh, some people are reporting issues at http://code.google.com/p/instantbird/issues/ :( 10:24:20 <clokep> Didn't we disable that? 10:24:24 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 10:24:26 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 10:24:30 <flo> I don't see a way to disable it 10:25:23 <clokep> flo: Administer > Tabs tick the "Hide" box next to Issues. 10:25:54 <flo> ok, I checked "Hide" for Wiki, Issues and Source :) 10:25:57 <Mic> I can file a bug about the redirection so we think about it 10:25:58 <clokep> Although it apparently still works if you go directly to the URL. :( 10:26:17 --> ironhead has joined #instantbird 10:26:24 <clokep> We could replace it with a wiki page though...that says to go to bio I guess? 10:27:36 <flo> I can probably edit the project summary 10:27:49 <flo> but really, there's no reason for people to land on that code.google.com page 10:28:17 <clokep> Unless it pops up in Google? Which I hope it doesn't. :( 10:28:29 <clokep> I'm going to reply to those two issues and just redirect people to the correct site. 10:31:38 <flo> http://code.google.com/p/instantbird/ 10:32:02 <flo> clokep: already done. I resolved them as Invalid (but replied to what they were requesting) 10:32:09 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.org bug 1085 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 10:32:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1085 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Prevent people from unintentionally downloading older releases 10:32:13 <clokep> Ah OK. 10:33:37 <flo> boo for duplicated work, we mid-aired but it didn't tell us :( 10:34:48 <flo> I've no idea of where the upload script is :( 10:35:05 <clokep> Yeah, Google Code kind of sucks like that. 10:35:24 <flo> ah, I see a googlecode_upload.py script, that sounds promising 10:53:29 <-- clokep has left #instantbird () 11:14:01 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 11:24:15 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 11:30:13 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 11:30:14 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 11:33:28 <aleth> If you google "instantbird" you also get these download links within the first 3 pages 11:33:29 <aleth> http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Chat/Instant-Messaging/Instantbird.shtml 11:33:54 <aleth> http://www.ubuntuka.com/instantbird-0-2-im-clientfor-your-ubuntu/ 11:34:00 <aleth> http://im.about.com/od/downloads/ss/instantbird-download-for-windows.htm 11:49:10 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:49:10 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 11:59:01 <flo> a 10 steps tutorial to explain that to install you should download the installer, execute it, and click on "Next" several times. That's depressing :-D 11:59:53 <flo> creating the source tarball took 66 minutes 12:00:06 <flo> cloning the mozilla repository takes so much time :( 12:00:53 <clokep_work> Yes, I cloned comm-central last then...then ran client.py to clone mozilla-central, it took like 2 hours altogether. :( 12:01:18 <clokep_work> flo: I think we should look into "fixing" bug 759 ASAP for 1.2 (i.e. before we start adding jsProtos) 12:01:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reorganize purplexpcom 12:01:58 <flo> oh yes 12:02:03 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 12:02:45 <flo> a folder for instantbird-specific parts, a folder for the Mozilla IM core, and a folder for the libpurple usage :) 12:03:48 <flo> several of the XBL bindings currently in instantbird/content/ could probably be shared with other mozilla applications doing IM :) 12:03:55 <clokep_work> Sounds good. :) We probably want to have a protocols folder too under the IM core. twitter might only be one (two?) files, but others probably will be larger. 12:04:31 <flo> so one folder per protocol then? 12:04:43 <flo> (what's the second twitter file?) 12:05:44 <flo> I'm at the "Move the final builds " step of https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:release_process 12:06:25 <clokep_work> (the second twitter file is the manifest :P) 12:06:34 <flo> ah, ok 12:06:52 <clokep_work> And yes, one folder per protocol sounds like a good idea (pretty much how libpurple has it set up) 12:06:54 <flo> there are also the twitter icons (I think they are in instantbird/theme/) and the twitter.properties file 12:07:20 <clokep_work> I've thought about whether it would be better to include all those together with the protocols instead of under the instantbird stuff and the locales folder. 12:07:47 <flo> I'm not sure it's a fantastic idea to have several files for each protocol, but for reading the code it's easier. Maybe we could (should?) combine them at compilation time? 12:08:04 <clokep_work> I started an announcement last night, but I really didn't like how it was coming and ended up trashing it. :( 12:08:12 <clokep_work> What do you mean? 12:09:19 <flo> I mean all the twitter code is in a single file, and maybe other protocols could also be in a single file :) 12:09:44 <flo> but anyway, let's release and bikeshed the file organization later :) 12:09:48 <clokep_work> I mean, you could combine IRC into a single file, but I don't really see the point. 12:10:04 <clokep_work> Yes! I just thought of it last night and figured we should look at it sooner rather than later 12:10:16 <flo> not forgetting to add a line in package-manifest each time you add a file for example? ;) 12:10:17 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 12:10:19 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 12:11:03 <flo> I'm not sure what the performance are for using lots of JS files for a component. In the past they were clearly bad, but now that it's all in omni.jar, it may not matter any more 12:11:59 <clokep_work> Ah, I see. I pull in some modules into my IRC code, I guess the files could just be concatenated though. 12:12:50 <flo> the point of creating module is for things that should be reused by some other code. If it's just to put some code in a different file, I'm not sure it's a good idea 12:18:15 <clokep_work> Some of it is only used in my code, but is meant to be able to be used for extensions to the protocol. 12:18:43 <flo> that can be a valid use case :) 12:20:15 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 12:20:16 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 12:22:06 <clokep_work> :-D 12:22:26 <flo> moving things around is so slow :( 12:22:40 <flo> I'm making a copy of the 1.1 release folder on another server 12:22:42 <clokep_work> :-/ I hope you're moving them directly from the server at least! 12:22:48 <clokep_work> Oh. :( 12:23:06 <flo> 1.8GB. Even with a 100Mbps bandwith on both servers, it takes several minutes 12:25:08 <clokep_work> Get some coffee? :) 12:25:25 <flo> only 400MB left ;) 12:25:29 <flo> then the upload to code.google.com 12:26:00 <flo> I wrote the script for that before lunch 12:27:21 <flo> finished :). 7min36s 12:30:14 <clokep_work> That's not too bad. :) 12:31:09 <igorko> when is release? 12:31:20 <flo> igorko: today 12:31:27 <igorko> yay 12:33:06 <flo> source and en-US builds are on code.google.com 12:33:28 <flo> 11 locales left to upload 12:33:47 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird 12:34:02 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 12:38:31 <ironhead> sweet, minor tweak to my custom Canadian Dictionary and I'm in business on 1.1! :) 12:38:57 <clokep_work> flo: FYI you can mark downloads as "obsolete" on Google Code (not sure if you know this or not...) : 12:39:19 <ironhead> guess I'll have to bug the official maintainer, since I don't think it was ever uploaded to addons.ib.com 12:40:29 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/instantbird-1.1.download-count.txt 12:40:39 <flo> how come there are 3 downloads before the release? :-S 12:40:49 <ironhead> I count as 1 :P 12:40:59 <clokep_work> Maybe ironhead just downloaded it? ;) 12:41:05 <clokep_work> (three times? (o_O) 12:41:10 --> jb has joined #instantbird 12:41:23 <flo> 3 downloads of en-US win32 installer 12:41:25 <-- jb1 has quit (Ping timeout) 12:41:28 <clokep_work> Strange. 12:41:30 <clokep_work> Wasn't me. 12:41:40 <flo> the upload to code.google.com took 9minutes and 3s 12:41:46 <ironhead> people monitoring the project perhaps? 12:41:52 <flo> that's relatively fast :) 12:42:03 <flo> ironhead: only one person has stared the project on google code 12:44:02 <flo> (for information, we don't upload the whole 1.8GB of the release to code.google.com, the update files are served only from our own servers) 12:48:24 <clokep_work> :) 12:48:49 <clokep_work> We need a weekly meeting post as well as a release post. :-/ 12:49:00 <flo> we need lots of posts ;) 12:51:15 <clokep_work> Yes. :( I can probably do one a bit later, but I have a meeting soon. 12:54:52 <instantbot> email@example.com set the Resolution field on bug 1069 to FIXED. 12:54:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1069 nor, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, 'What's new" feed display broken 12:56:07 <flo> I think I'm ready to put the website changes live :) 12:56:31 <flo> should I just go ahead, or wait for a blog post to be ready? 12:59:00 <clokep_work> I think going ahead is fine. 12:59:06 <clokep_work> Let us find any problems faster. 12:59:10 <clokep_work> I have to go. I'll be back later. 12:59:18 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Meeting.) 13:09:27 <flo> I think this will save me some time for the next release: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Google_code_upload :) 13:09:43 <flo> and I updated some details on the https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:release_process page 13:13:17 topic changed by flo to "Ask questions about Instantbird (http://www.instantbird.com) here|Get Instantbird 1.1 while it's hot! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/" 13:15:07 <flo> website updated :) 13:18:29 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 13:21:50 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 13:26:52 <igorko> hehe getting it 14:02:23 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:06:07 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:10:47 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 14:10:48 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 14:22:56 <clokep_work> Website looks good! :) 14:25:59 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:26:12 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:37:34 <-- sabret00the has quit (Ping timeout) 14:44:30 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 15:00:57 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 15:06:56 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 15:14:50 <flo> clokep_work, ecaron: draft release post: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/jP7X2MlN3V 15:18:56 <flo> should I mention that it's exactly 4 years after the 0.1 release? 15:21:54 <ecaron> absolutely 15:22:04 <ecaron> people love seeing longevity in software projects 15:23:42 <flo> hmm, I'll need to investigate http://instantbird.com/release-notes-1.1.html later :-D 15:24:07 <flo> good thing no links point to that page :) 15:25:59 <flo> I've just changed the content of the pad with what I've edited on wordpress 15:26:41 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 15:27:43 <ecaron> love the post 15:28:53 <flo> :) 15:41:27 <flo> so, if nobody complains about something in that post, I guess I can assume it's ready to publish? ;) 15:47:54 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org : 15:47:55 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/2011/10/instantbird-1-1-released/ - Instantbird 1.1 released! 15:48:11 <clokep_work> I can read the published one I guess. :P 15:48:34 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 15:50:18 <clokep_work> flo: Looks good! :) 15:51:13 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 15:52:54 <flo> clokep_work: thanks :) 15:58:27 <clokep_work> And thanks again for everything you do! :) 15:59:04 * flo blushes 15:59:42 <clokep_work> Does this mean we can talk about 1.2 now? :P 15:59:53 <clokep_work> (Or does it mean to brace for the deluge of bug reports? ;)) 16:00:28 <flo> I'm posting on freshmeat 16:00:35 <flo> we should probably tweet ;) 16:00:48 <clokep_work> Yes, probably. 16:03:23 <flo> cutting down the change sumarry to only 600 characters is hard :( 16:03:31 <flo> I started from ~1200 16:05:15 <clokep_work> We should limit our blog posts by the # of words btw. 16:09:43 <flo> hmm, we don't support entities in outgoing tweets? :-S 16:09:54 <flo> I see "Get Instantbird 1.1 now, http://t.co/FqITrnIX" in my timeline 16:10:55 <clokep_work> I don't know for sure. Aren't outoging tweets processed when we get them back in via Twitter? 16:11:57 <flo> Instantbird 1.1 has just been released! Stability fixes, dramatic reduction of resource consumption in some cases, and cool features making Twitter and IRC much more usable: context menu to retweet, reply to a tweet (or simply double click on the tweet to start a reply) or (un)follow the author of the tweet; tab completion of usernames (twitter) or nicknames (IRC) and last but not least, conversations can now be put on hold: close tabs without le 16:12:01 <flo> just 600 characters 16:12:16 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 16:12:19 <flo> (but IRC doesn't like 600 characters) aving the conversation, reopen it from the Contacts window. Small change? Yes, but itâs exceptionally useful for IRC users idling in lots of channels! 16:12:48 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:14:32 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 16:15:00 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:15:10 <flo> clokep_work, ecaron: should the "instantbird" twitter account RT our "personal" tweets about the release? 16:15:25 <clokep_work> If you want it to. :P People don't know who we are. ;) 16:15:26 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 16:15:41 <ecaron> as long as there is enough time between the RTs, yes 16:15:54 <ecaron> clokep, i care you who you are 16:15:59 <ecaron> instantbot: hug clokep 16:16:01 * instantbot hugs clokep 16:19:16 <flo> there's definitely a bug with URLs in outgoing tweets 16:19:23 <flo> I suspect we need to add 2 more include_entities=1 16:19:38 <clokep_work> Hmm.:( 16:19:47 * clokep_work pats instantbot. 16:19:48 <instantbot> yay 16:19:55 --> Usul_phone has joined #instantbird 16:20:05 <Usul_phone> Hum looking for update doesn't work from 1.0 16:20:12 <Usul_phone> I don't get the update offered 16:20:34 <flo> I think we will turn auto-updates on only tomorrow. 16:20:46 <flo> Checking first if we get tones of almost identical bug reports ;) 16:21:09 <Usul_phone> :( 16:21:23 <Usul_phone> I'll wait fo tomorrow then 16:21:38 <flo> maybe we can turn it on only for users doing a manual check for updates though 16:21:38 <ecaron> You can still grab the exe & run it directly, it'll be the same thing. 16:21:54 <ecaron> flo: if that's possible, i think that's a great idea 16:22:11 <flo> ecaron: I suspect he was experiencing bug 1066 (or a similar bug with the same cause) 16:22:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1066 nor, --, 1.1, florian, RESO FIXED, Collapsing contact info in buddy list with mouse will hide the contact 16:27:49 <clokep_work> Yes, for people who manually check would be good. 16:29:49 <clokep_work> flo ecaron Do we get emails or anything when people comment on posts? 16:30:03 <flo> I don't know 16:30:49 <flo> I remember I received an email once while the wordpress blog was still being tested on ecaron's server, but I haven't received any email from the blog since that 16:31:34 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 16:32:14 <flo> I should fix the server's clock, it's almost half an hour late, which makes our posts appear as not-the-first-one on planet, when when they are 16:32:37 <ecaron> yes, email notifications should be sent 16:32:56 <flo> for all comments or only those that need validation? 16:33:10 <ecaron> the ones needing validation 16:33:22 <ecaron> want an email whenever a comment is added? 16:34:55 <flo> I used to have one, but I don't mind if I don't any more. 16:34:57 <clokep_work> I would like that personally. It makes it easier to track what's going on. idk if that's a per user setting or a global setting though. 16:35:14 <ecaron> I'll turn it on and we can turn it off when it gets to be too much. 16:35:14 <flo> I was just trying to understand if I should have received an email when Mic added a comment a few days ago (and if so if I needed to look in my spam folder) 16:35:20 <clokep_work> (Also, are those for all posts or just on your /own/ post?) 16:35:36 <ecaron> You shouldn't have because it didn't need moderation (wasn't spammy) 16:35:49 <ecaron> Good question. I think it will be for all posts. 16:36:07 <flo> and how does it deal with spam? :) 16:36:12 <ecaron> So, you didn't get a email about Mic's post because I didn't have "email for all" turned on. 16:36:17 <ecaron> You will from now on. 16:36:22 <flo> ok :) 16:36:34 <ecaron> It uses Automattic's Akismet - https://akismet.com/ 16:37:08 <-- Usul_phone has left #instantbird () 16:46:13 <clokep_work> So are we getting nightlies on moz9 then? ;) 16:47:21 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 16:47:24 --> roflo1 has joined #instantbird 16:49:13 <clokep_work> So one of my friends has an issue where sometimes Instantbird thinks people are offline when they're actually online. They're not invisible...and it's only on the buddy list (a conversation will know they're online I think). 16:49:15 <clokep_work> I'm going to file a bug actually. 16:49:34 <flo> anything in the error console? 16:50:56 <clokep_work> Checking... 16:52:03 <clokep_work> No, nothing on the error console. 16:52:12 <clokep_work> I have a screenshot showing the issue, but I need to anonymize it first when I get home. 16:57:34 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:03:16 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 17:07:22 <FeuerFliege> Hi 17:07:30 <flo> FeuerFliege: hello :) 17:07:45 <FeuerFliege> how is IB 1.1 doing so far? 17:07:54 <flo> it's released. 17:08:12 <clokep_work> The servers are still up + we haven't had any major bug reports so. :P 17:08:23 <FeuerFliege> thatâs nice 17:08:34 <FeuerFliege> i got some positive feedback. 17:08:43 <flo> no major article posted anywhere either 17:09:25 <roflo1> BTW, when will the auto-update feature be ready? 17:10:00 <clokep_work> "be ready"? More of just needs to be turned on. 17:10:13 <clokep_work> At least that's my understanding. ;) 17:10:32 <clokep_work> And yeah, articles would be nice...but we got a lot of traffic on Twitter last release, so hopefully again. :) 17:10:52 <flo> people were mostly sharing links to article / retweeting them 17:11:10 <roflo1> Hmm.. if I click on Help->Check for updates, it says none are avaailable. 17:11:48 <flo> that doesn't mean the feature is not ready 17:12:04 <flo> it's just that we haven't enabled it, because we are waiting a few hours to see how people react to the release 17:12:21 <-- ironhead has quit (Quit: leaving) 17:13:54 <roflo1> Oh, ok.. I was just wondering if I should wait to help "test" if it works fine (the auto-update).. 17:33:22 <aleth> flo: great release blog post :) just the right length :D 17:33:30 <aleth> & congratulations & thanks! 17:33:31 <flo> aleth: thanks :) 17:34:27 <flo> I'll be back after dinner to try and turn on the updates for when people manually check for updates 17:34:31 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 17:34:32 <-- Andrey has quit (Quit: ) 17:35:58 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 17:36:01 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 17:36:28 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:36:28 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 17:37:11 <Mic> hmm .. two full downloads for nightlies in a row again :( 17:37:44 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 17:38:02 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:38:02 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 17:50:15 <Mic> Would it be possible to get the number of comments on our blog postings shown on PMO? 17:50:46 <clokep_work> I would just like them on the main blog.instantbird.com page personally. 17:51:02 <-- jb has left #instantbird () 17:51:05 <clokep_work> roflo1: You could test it anyway but installing, but yes. We'll roll the update out eventually. :) Thanks! 17:51:07 <Mic> It's a nice thing if we actually get comment atleast ;) 17:53:04 <Mic> Seeing that a posting has a few comments makes it more interesting imo (other people seemed to have found it interesting enough to read an comment it). 17:53:12 <Mic> *and 17:53:57 <clokep_work> I concur. 17:55:26 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 17:56:00 <Mic> Bugreports are cheap, I'll just file it and we'll see :) 17:56:59 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 17:57:37 <clokep_work> ecaron would know if it's even possible though. 17:57:42 <clokep_work> We could check the options too. ;) 17:58:38 <ecaron> i don't have a clue about PMO 17:58:51 <ecaron> anyone know anyone behind it? i can pick up that converstaion 17:59:00 <ecaron> the feed they're getting should show comment numbers 17:59:04 <igorko> guys pleeeease dd file transfers 17:59:15 <igorko> add* 17:59:49 <clokep_work> Sorry, I meant for the main page. :) PMO runs the software called "planet" by the way, but I think the ones that show # of comments just embed it into the RSS. 18:00:06 <clokep_work> igorko: If someone wants to implement it, there's more important things (in our minds) to do first, but we'd certainly help someone. 18:01:05 <ecaron> ah, they're running Venus - http://www.intertwingly.net/code/venus/ 18:01:09 <instantbot> New Websites - blog.instantbird.com (WordPress) bug 1086 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 18:01:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1086 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Display number of comments on Planet Mozilla 18:03:02 <igorko> hm i got an idea and it's really not new 18:03:39 <clokep_work> ecaron: Ah, yes. That's it. :( Sorry. 18:03:42 <igorko> to add last conversaiton session from log 18:03:56 <igorko> to conversation window 18:04:08 <igorko> iirc this is made in empathy 18:04:26 <clokep_work> Mic: Do you have an example posting that has that? 18:04:41 <clokep_work> igorko: Yes, that's wanted. I think we have a bug open abou tit? 18:04:56 <Mic> umm, check PMO, there should be a few 18:05:26 <Mic> igorko: that's what we want to do but we need a proper log file format that allows to do that easily 18:06:06 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 18:08:17 <Mic> Could be a nice thing to play with by the way .. 18:08:42 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 18:09:43 <-- ecaron has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 18:09:48 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 18:10:03 <Mic> clokep: do you think it would work to write the incoming messages json-ified to a file for each session and load it when a conversation is opened? 18:10:16 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 18:10:49 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:10:51 <clokep_work> Well http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/feed-comments-number/ seems like it would do it... 18:11:12 <clokep_work> Mic: That would probably work, you could also grossly read them from the txt files. 18:12:14 <Mic> Yes, but we couldn't format them properly since there's information lost when writing the logs. 18:12:38 <Mic> Dumping the message objects as they are shouldn't have (most of?) this problem? 18:12:52 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 18:13:05 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:13:19 <clokep_work> Yes. 18:13:21 <clokep_work> It's doable. 18:13:24 <clokep_work> But a hack. :P 18:13:31 <Mic> Sure, a hack. 18:13:45 <Mic> but it would allow to experiment with it 18:14:13 <Mic> And a JSON logger shouldn't be too hard to write. Might even be easier than the text logger ;) 18:14:35 <clokep_work> Yes. :) 18:14:40 <clokep_work> It should be fairly easy to doo. 18:17:46 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 18:17:50 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:19:13 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 18:19:16 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:19:48 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 18:19:51 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:20:09 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 18:20:11 <clokep_work> Logging should be thought about soon though, it seems to block a lot. :-/ 18:22:55 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 18:27:17 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 18:29:21 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:29:52 <igorko> hm instantbird takes 48MB of memory. It's a lot 18:32:45 --> flo has joined #instantbird 18:32:45 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 18:32:50 <Mic> Instantbird is using the Mozilla framework/platform, you can do just anything with it 18:33:29 <clokep_work> 48MB really isn't a lot when most systems come with 2 - 4 GB now. 18:36:16 <Mic> flo: you had a student project that wanted to add a few messages of context to new conversations. What happened to it? 18:36:50 <flo> "<Mic> clokep: do you think it would work to write the incoming messages json-ified to a file for each session and load it when a conversation is opened?" a French student I menthored has done that already 18:37:07 <flo> I've never got him to upload his add-on on AIO, but it did work (at some point) on a 1.0 release. 18:37:52 <Mic> If it's ok I'd like to have a look at his code 18:38:15 <flo> If I can find it again :) 18:38:32 <Mic> Try searching your mailbox? ;) 18:38:34 <flo> I know that student still uses Instantbird as his Google Talk client, which seems a good thing :) 18:39:23 <flo> igorko: 48MB is super small, you are lucky :). 18:40:39 <flo> Mic: hmm, that was before 1.0. 18:42:31 <Mic> Is that a compatibility problem or just "a long time ago"? ;) 18:43:32 <flo> it's "I'm searching my mailbox and found an email from the student saying 'congrats for the 1.0 release'" 18:44:01 <flo> that was coded in March 2011 18:46:30 <flo> oh, it was restartless! :) 18:48:15 <flo> the best file I've found for now is a .rar (!) file and he said in the email that it didn't work (he was asking for help/ a review) 18:48:17 <Mic> clokep_work: is the wordpress link you gave something I should post in bug 1086? 18:48:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1086 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Display number of comments on Planet Mozilla 18:48:37 <flo> but it seems the add-on is still installed in my debug profile, so maybe I can find the working version there :) 18:49:15 <flo> I should file a bug about the missing entities in outgoing tweets 18:51:36 <clokep_work> Mic: Maybe. ecaron would know more about it. ;) 18:51:43 <flo> Mic: I've just emailed you that file (the one from my debug profile) 18:52:35 <clokep_work> Should we keep all this code somewhere that we've receive? (varuna's code too?) 18:52:46 <clokep_work> Also...yes please file that bug flo. :) I can look at it. 18:52:52 <flo> varuna's code will soon be merged 18:53:08 <Mic> flo: thanks 18:53:17 <flo> For add-ons, if the code doesn't evolve, keeping the last XPI (ideally on AIO) is enough. 18:53:37 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 18:53:42 <flo> (that's the reason why I asked him to upload it there, but it's hard to get a student to do anything after he got his grade ;)) 18:54:37 <flo> (and the grade was good, by the way; he is the only student I've had this year who has actually produced some code that does something useful (out of 6!)) 18:55:37 <flo> http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=32074 18:56:52 <flo> the part before the screenshot is the same as their 1.0 post (except for the changed version number), the part after the screenshot is a translation of our 1.1 release notes. 18:58:26 <Mic> Does it make sense to have several loggers simultaneously? 18:58:53 <flo> there's probably someone at that website who likes us and follows our blog, they are often the first to post about our releases. 18:59:13 <flo> Mic: technically it's not a problem. 18:59:28 <flo> hmm, except maybe to get the list of logs 18:59:53 <Mic> As far as I can tell I'd need an intermediate layer to do some 'log flavour handling' for me 19:01:09 <Mic> ah, exactly. Getting the logs, that was the thing I was worried about. 19:04:08 <clokep_work> Well if we wanted translated release notes. ;) 19:09:40 <flo> maybe they are already translated on our website? 19:09:42 <flo> I haven't checked 19:10:05 <flo> most translators haven't translated them I think though :-/ 19:10:06 <-- mmkmou has quit (Broken pipe) 19:11:16 <DGMurdockIII> i use instantbird for googlr talk could not live with out it 19:11:39 <Mic> :) 19:11:52 <Mic> bbl 19:12:18 <aleth> flo: btw notice in the screenshot on opennet.ru the Bubbles font is Sans ;) while the OS default sans-serif would be the ubuntu font I think (see buddy list) 19:19:37 <aleth> So Tab Complete got integrated into IB? I missed that... 19:21:47 <flo> the feature got integrated, not the exact behavior of the add-on. 19:22:19 <flo> aleth: the screenshot on opennet.ru is one we made for journalists ;) 19:23:39 <aleth> aleth: Ah, that's why it's got your (?) face on it :) 19:24:34 <flo> yes, it's me 19:24:38 <-- mokush has quit (Client exited) 19:24:58 <flo> aleth: the image is from http://www.instantbird.com/press-images.html 19:25:34 <aleth> It's a nice demo screenshot! 19:25:44 <aleth> Anyway, I saw it for the first time, and it indicates a default ubuntu install comes without Lucida Grande, which a lot of websites try to use. fwiw... 19:26:49 <flo> yeah, we were tired of seeing images of the account wizard or of empty buddy lists, so we decided to provide good screenshots for 0.2 (and later releases) 19:27:07 <aleth> Also shows off the bubbles "code folding" 19:28:31 <aleth> A feature you really miss when you are used to it and it's not there in some other client... 19:30:37 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 19:30:39 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 19:33:40 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 19:36:12 <-- mikk_s has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 19:36:23 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 19:36:29 <-- mikk_s has quit (Quit: mikk_s) 19:55:13 <flo> maybe I should email localizers to remind them that we can't "make noise" in their locales and if they want their work to be appreciated, there needs to be at least someone talking about the release in their locale 19:59:43 --> jb has joined #instantbird 20:06:27 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - Twitter bug 1087 filed by email@example.com. 20:06:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1087 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, No entities in outgoing tweets. 20:08:39 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - Twitter bug 1088 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 20:08:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1088 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter timeline's normalizedName shouldn't be localized 20:18:40 <clokep_work> :( That's unfortunate. 20:19:44 <clokep_work> So you need to post and say it includes entities for Twitter to calculate them? 20:23:34 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Be back soon!) 20:23:52 <flo> they are calculated anyway. But you have to opt-in to have them send in the feedback you receive when the post is sent successfully (that's what we display) 20:24:03 <flo> s/post/tweet/ of course 20:27:26 <-- v17al has quit (Ping timeout) 20:28:06 --> v17al has joined #instantbird 20:28:54 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 20:29:29 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 20:30:14 <-- Mic has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:30:40 <-- v17al has left #instantbird () 20:33:16 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 20:33:16 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 20:37:15 <flo> upgrade are enabled for 1.0 users who click "check for updates". 20:37:16 * Mic has maybe found a reproducible crash :( 20:37:43 <Mic> It did work three times in a row at least :( I'm filing the bug report already. 20:37:59 <flo> you have sent the reports? 20:38:13 <Mic> Yes, I added comments too 20:38:32 <Mic> I haven't tried on a clean profile yet 20:40:32 <flo> definitely a libpurple bug :( 20:41:43 <flo> what's the protocol by the way? 20:42:02 <Mic> ICQ in the first two cases, Yahoo in the third iirc 20:42:51 <flo> I would like to reproduce that in a debug build :) 20:43:19 <Mic> gtg 20:43:22 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1089 filed by email@example.com. 20:43:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1089 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Crash: 20:43:47 <Mic> I'll add extra information as I find something tomorrow 20:43:51 <Mic> Good night 20:43:54 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 20:45:18 <-- roflo1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 20:45:52 --> roflo1 has joined #instantbird 20:47:50 <flo> roflo1: the update worked? :) 20:48:21 <roflo1> It said the incremental update couldn't be applied.. it's downloading the full installer. 20:48:40 <flo> :( 20:49:01 <flo> it's not downloading the installer though (except if you did that yourself) 20:49:02 <roflo1> Ok, done.. brb. 20:49:04 <-- roflo1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 20:49:51 --> roflo1 has joined #instantbird 20:50:12 <roflo1> Full update worked fine. 20:51:39 <flo> do you remember if you installed 1.0 from the .exe installer or the zip file? 20:52:01 <roflo1> I updated from the previous version.. just like this time. 20:52:19 <flo> you had 0.2 before? 20:52:22 <roflo1> yup. 20:53:55 <roflo1> instantbird-0.2.en-US.win32.installer.exe 20:54:08 <flo> it should work in that case :-/ 20:54:17 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 20:55:35 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:56:45 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 20:58:39 <roflo1> well, the fact that it falls back to downloading the full update doesn't impact too much on the user's experience.. 20:58:39 <roflo1> .. did you have something in mind if it was a 1.0 exe/zip install? 20:59:33 <flo> updating from an instantbird extracted from a zip file is known to fail with the partial patch (and to fallback on the complete patch) 21:00:09 <FeuerFliege> I can reproduce bug 1089. 21:00:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1089 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Crash [@ ssl_nss_handshake_cb] 21:01:18 <flo> why do *we* always find so many obvious easily reproducable bugs just *after* a release? 21:01:40 <roflo1> Murphy's law? ;) 21:05:06 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1090 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 21:05:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1090 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, meta-contact disappears from buddy list 21:06:32 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 21:08:19 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:08:19 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 21:08:55 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 21:09:18 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 21:10:45 <roflo1> Anyway.. I did a 1.0 to 1.1 upgrade (fresh 1.0 install exe) on a virtual machine with WinXP. All ok there. 21:11:00 <flo> with the partial update? 21:11:38 <roflo1> yup.. I'm thinking I should deinstall 1.1, install 1.0 and upgrade on my physical machine (Win7) just to see. 21:16:52 <-- roflo1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 21:21:44 --> roflo1 has joined #instantbird 21:22:30 <roflo1> Couldn't reproduce it. This time the incremental worked just fine... probably a good thing. 21:23:26 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 21:33:10 --> jb has joined #instantbird 21:35:29 <flo> roflo1: so it's probably the 0.2 -> 1.0 that failed in a subtile way 21:36:47 --> FeuerFliege1 has joined #instantbird 21:36:56 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 21:36:57 <flo> that's bug 551 21:37:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Partial updates are failing on a regular basis 21:37:35 <flo> and we have no idea of the real cause 21:38:40 <roflo1> yeah, it's hard to tell.. is there a way to force 0.2 to update to 1.0 instead of 1.1? 21:40:56 <flo> it will update to 1.0 21:41:02 <flo> (currently at least) 21:41:15 <flo> that may change tomorrow 21:41:39 <flo> but anyway, the bug is random, so you are no more likely to have it on 0.2->1.0 than on something else 21:45:36 --> v17al has joined #instantbird 21:46:21 <flo> ecaron: have we tweeted anything about the release from the "instantbird" account yet? 21:48:34 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 21:54:00 <-- roflo1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 21:54:07 <flo> Good night 21:54:09 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 21:57:05 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 21:57:47 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! Â :: core-networks.de Â«Â«Â« (Gamers.IRC) Â»Â»Â» gamersirc.net ::) 22:03:28 --> roflo1 has joined #instantbird 22:06:13 <roflo1> Ok, for the record.. 0.2 does update all the way to 1.1, but apparently it doesn't use the incremental update (13MB download). 22:06:14 <roflo1> Either way, apparently I'm the only one affected by it (and it was resolved gracefully)... and I'm unable to reproduce it. 22:09:31 <clokep> That's good. :) I randomly get failed updates on nightlies, but it's not often. 22:16:33 <-- ecaron has quit (Ping timeout) 22:17:14 <-- v17al has quit (Ping timeout) 22:18:01 <-- igorko has quit (Ping timeout) 22:18:44 <-- FeuerFliege1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 22:21:42 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 22:21:52 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 22:21:55 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 22:33:12 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 22:36:54 --> ecaron1 has joined #instantbird 22:37:43 <-- ecaron has quit (Ping timeout) 22:38:12 <-- ecaron1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 22:46:29 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 22:48:05 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 22:52:34 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 22:53:52 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 22:57:08 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 23:04:54 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 23:09:15 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 23:11:08 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 23:18:52 --> ironhead has joined #instantbird 23:19:24 <-- ironhead has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 23:19:34 <-- sabret00the has quit (Ping timeout) 23:19:48 --> ironhead has joined #instantbird 23:20:22 <-- ironhead has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 23:20:24 --> ironhead has joined #instantbird 23:30:57 <-- roflo1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1) 23:37:37 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1091 filed by email@example.com. 23:37:38 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org added attachment 910 to bug 1091. 23:37:38 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 23:37:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1091 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, User offline on contact list and online in conversation