#instantbird log on 10 13 2011

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00:07:31 <flo> clokep: is this better, or just more wordy? :-S
00:08:35 <clokep> flo: It's better. :)
00:08:39 <clokep> I'll read it again in a minute.
00:08:47 <flo> clokep: what does "    Persist the tray icon when the contact list is restored." mean exactly? Isn't the icon already there before minimizing the window? If so you are just saying that the icon is always there, rather than only when the window is minimized
00:09:01 <clokep> I guess it's always there, yes.
00:09:09 <clokep> I probably just took the (poorly?) worded bug title.
00:09:52 <flo> I don't think "    Multiple Twitter accounts can be added in the same session." is worth mentioning
00:10:09 <clokep> Probably not! Remove it! :)
00:10:23 <flo> hmm, we forgot tab completion! :)
00:10:36 <flo> too useful to remember we didn't have it before ;)
00:11:19 <flo> is my sentence about the interruption manager understandable by the average user? I'm afraid not :-/
00:11:35 <clokep> I'll have a girl read it. ;)
00:11:53 <clokep> (And by that, I mean someone who doesn't know much about computers and is an "average" user.)
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00:17:20 <flo> clokep: are these points in some specific order, or is it just random?
00:17:32 <clokep> flo: They're random. I didn't get to that part yet.
00:17:38 <flo> ok
00:19:54 <flo> Good evening/night :)
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00:20:06 <clokep> 'night!
00:21:22 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com added attachment 881 to bug 948.
00:21:23 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 881 on bug 948.
00:21:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
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00:30:48 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 881 on bug 948.
00:30:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
00:30:57 <flo> v17al: you are lucky, I saw your new review request a second before disconnecting ;)
00:31:16 <v17al> :)
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00:36:31 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com added attachment 882 to bug 948.
00:36:32 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 882 on bug 948.
00:36:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
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00:40:25 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 882 on bug 948.
00:40:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
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00:46:39 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com added attachment 883 to bug 948.
00:46:40 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 883 on bug 948.
00:46:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
00:46:56 <clokep> v17al: Feel free to ask questions / use pastebin, etc. if you need more refinement on comments btw.
00:47:00 <clokep> (Or post in the bug.)
00:47:47 <v17al> clokep: Yeah I just really had a hard time with reading there. I think I've been sitting on the computer without moving for way too long.
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01:02:35 <clokep> Bah none of my builds will build anymore. :-/ Crashing in QQ.
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01:04:54 <clokep> Ah I had local changes, never mind. :)
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01:11:03 <clokep> v17al: Well it works. ;)
01:11:18 <v17al> clokep: Awesome!
01:11:33 <clokep> Let me just read over the comments.
01:11:41 <v17al> clokep: Sounds good :)
01:14:10 <clokep> v17al: Did you change the comments at all?
01:14:42 <v17al> clokep: Since which of flo's responses?
01:14:54 <clokep> comment 10.
01:15:05 <clokep> & comment 12
01:15:54 <v17al> I added the empty line, added the periods, fixed the getBoolPref function, placed the two calls to getBoolPref on the same line, and I think that's all there was
01:17:45 <clokep> Hmmm...alright.
01:17:53 <clokep> Yeah, his comment about your comments are kind of confusing.
01:18:47 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird.org for attachment 883 on bug 948.
01:18:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
01:19:48 <v17al> clokep: Thanks for checking it out!
01:20:07 <clokep> v17al: Thanks for taking a look at it. :)
01:20:11 <clokep> How's the extension going?
01:20:33 <v17al> It's finished, waiting on the patch before I submit it
01:20:44 <v17al> Would you like to try it out as well?
01:21:07 <clokep> I just shut down my dev environment, so I don't think tonight. :)
01:21:13 <clokep> I'll try it once the patch is checked in though.
01:21:49 <v17al> Ok :)
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03:36:41 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com added attachment 884 to bug 763.
03:36:42 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 884 on bug 763.
03:36:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763 min, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Allow middle-click on IRC nick
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06:23:42 <FeuerFliege> good morning
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07:53:41 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1071 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
07:53:42 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 885 to bug 1071.
07:53:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Improve look of contact drop target
07:56:03 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 886 to bug 1071.
07:56:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Improve look of contact drop target
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08:07:47 <Mic> clokep, flo: it seems there's missing something here: "Improved stability: the crash reports from the 0.2, the 1.0 release and the nightly builds to fix bugs that resulted in crashes."
08:10:15 <Mic> Oh, nevemind. I missed the switch to the other etherpad instance ..
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09:06:23 <FeuerFliege> good morning Mic
09:06:58 <Mic> Good morning!
09:07:19 <FeuerFliege> about Bug1071:  do not add+  margin-right: 23px;
09:07:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Improve look of contact drop target
09:08:18 <FeuerFliege> Space is rare in this window and the other items don’t have this margin neighter.
09:12:42 <Mic> I've been testing with the default width of the window and found only one contact in my list where the name extended further than the drop target as I have it
09:13:34 <Mic> This seems OK for me since it looks bad if the window is wider and the drop target extends all the way to the far side of the list.
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09:14:28 <Mic> I could try adapting the margin depending on the width of the window
09:14:36 <Mic> Media queries ftw ;)
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09:17:19 <Mic> The width in the screenshots is not the default width, though, but what my list usually looks like.
09:17:56 * Mic apparently doesn't like skinny windows ;)
09:22:37 <FeuerFliege> It looks kinda crappy with slim windows if it doesn’t go the right side of the window.
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09:23:08 <Mic> That's why I suggested changing it depending on the width of the window. We do something similar with the height and the status bar already.
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10:20:58 <clokep> Mic: The look of that is nice (bug 1071), but maybe it should blend in a little more?
10:21:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Improve look of contact drop target
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10:23:46 <aleth> Maybe if you do without the white background? It should still look great
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10:27:37 <Mic> Yes, that's also nice. I just tried.
10:32:15 <clokep> Yes, that was pretty much what I figured. :)
10:33:31 <Mic> Contacts also look much nicer with a small change to the border and an additional gradient :)
10:33:36 <Mic> I just put that somewhere too.
10:33:39 <Mic> *should
10:33:44 <Mic> -just
10:34:53 <Mic> http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9524/ibcontact.png
10:35:14 <Mic> I borrowed the gradient from the conversation top info ;)
10:42:43 <clokep> Didn't we remove the gradient from those at some point? ;)
10:42:57 <Mic> ?
10:43:12 <clokep> There used to be a gradient behind contacts and we removed it at some point I think.
10:43:46 <Mic> No .. there was one behind the buddies in the contact
10:45:09 <clokep> Ah, OK. :)
10:45:33 <Mic> Too bad that contacts are so difficult to style :(
10:51:27 <clokep> I know. :( Idk how much we'll get done before we cut an RC either. I think flo wanted to do that soon.
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10:52:30 <Mic> "cut an RC"
10:52:37 <Mic> What does that mean?
10:52:43 <Mic> http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5232/ibcontactproblem.png
10:52:44 <clokep> Create a release candidate.
10:52:51 <Mic> Oh, ok :)
10:53:49 <Mic> I'd rather prefer if it was possible to style the top two lines from one side to the list to the other but the icon gets in the way here :(
10:54:15 <Mic> *of the list
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11:31:48 <FeuerFliege> hi
11:32:34 <FeuerFliege> something new about bug 1071?
11:32:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Improve look of contact drop target
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12:17:29 <Mic> hmm, gestures could be cool .. e.g. shaking a buddy to detach it from its contact 
12:19:57 <FeuerFliege> Mic: you cannot imagine how often I tried a Fx gesture in a instantbird window …
12:20:23 <clokep_work> Which gesture?
12:21:24 <FeuerFliege> mainly close tab and next/previous tab.
12:21:46 <clokep_work> Those are the kind of thing you should definitely file bugs on!
12:21:57 <clokep_work> When you keep trying to do something because you're used to it from elsewhere.
12:22:01 <Mic> Isn't that an extension thing anyways?
12:22:46 <FeuerFliege> Mic: yes it is an add-on, maybe I’ll try to adapt it for IB
12:23:11 <FeuerFliege> about the ‚drop a contact here…‘ thing: what do you think about http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4893/bug1071.png
12:23:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Improve look of contact drop target
12:24:19 <FeuerFliege> clever instantbot …
12:27:25 <Mic> The new blog is great by the way!
12:30:05 <FeuerFliege> Mic: Which new blog?
12:32:41 <Mic> http://blog.instantbird.org/
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13:34:06 <flo> hello :)
13:34:06 <FeuerFliege> hi
13:34:11 <flo> how does the new nightly feel?
13:34:16 <flo> Anything broken?
13:34:19 <flo> Ready for an RC?
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13:34:48 <FeuerFliege> nothing broken
13:36:57 <FeuerFliege> i just realized that the #mainToolbox, #convsHeader and #contactsHeaders are quite transparent (aero glass)
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13:37:44 <FeuerFliege> I think it is new, but I am not to  sure, because IB is normally over a plain black space of my desktop
13:39:24 <FeuerFliege> but nothing that would delay release or a RC
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13:44:28 <aleth> flo: Mic made some nice changes this morning (bug 1071 I believe, though I don't know if he uploaded the final patch) that could be included (but not essential)
13:44:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Improve look of contact drop target
13:45:05 <flo> aleth: could be included for 1.2 ;)
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13:45:26 <aleth> imho 1.1 is ready :D
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13:50:48 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org :
13:50:49 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/2011/10/weekly-meeting-october-10-2011/ - Weekly Meeting: October 10, 2011
13:57:25 <FeuerFliege> aleth: the patch is not ready, it looks not good if the contact window is very slim.
13:58:07 <FeuerFliege> I played with a little patch for 1071 maybe I should upload it.
14:13:11 <v17al> Hey guys, I have added a patch allowing middle clicks on IRC nicknames (bug 763), and I was wondering if that's all that's needed for middle click support or if there would be anything else I could tack on while I was at it?
14:13:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763 min, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Allow middle-click on IRC nick
14:17:48 <flo> v17al: when reading that patch, I was wondering if the onclick event handler also receives the double click (with event.detail = 2 maybe?). In which case you could replace the ondlbclick handler, rather than add another handler
14:19:29 <v17al> Makes sense, I couldn't find much on event.detail last night but today I found everything on the first google result lol
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14:29:45 <instantbot> do.not.deliver@gmx.de added attachment 887 to bug 1071.
14:29:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1071 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Improve look of contact drop target
14:38:10 <flo> http://buildbot.instantbird.org/waterfall :)
14:39:43 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1072 filed by do.not.deliver@gmx.de.
14:39:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1072 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Tags should be editable and/or removable
14:40:49 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/cd2d663b57be - Florian Quèze - Bump the version number to 1.2a1pre for nightlies.
14:40:50 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/5a279842726b - Florian Quèze - Set version number to 1.1, change default revisions in client.py and add shipped-locales.
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14:43:27 <FeuerFliege> bug 621 should be closed
14:43:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Windows Preview Screenshots using Windows Vista- or 7-look
14:43:38 <flo> yes :)
14:43:48 <flo> do you have editbugs?
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14:44:44 <FeuerFliege> since I don’t know what editbugs is/are: No.
14:46:23 * FeuerFliege knows now what editbugs is
14:47:53 <flo> FeuerFliege: permissions to edit all bug fields on bugzilla (not only on bugs you field yourself)
14:48:49 <FeuerFliege> yeah, I googled it already, but no I editbugs is not set for me.
14:48:51 <flo> FeuerFliege: ok, now you do. :)
14:49:09 <FeuerFliege> nice, thank you.
14:49:18 <flo> you are welcome
14:49:43 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com added attachment 888 to bug 763.
14:49:45 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 884 on bug 763.
14:49:46 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 888 on bug 763.
14:49:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763 min, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Allow middle-click on IRC nick
14:52:06 <instantbot> do.not.deliver@gmx.de set the Resolution field on bug 621 to FIXED.
14:52:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, Windows Preview Screenshots using Windows Vista- or 7-look
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15:09:02 <flo> yeah for a failed release candidate... :(
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15:20:52 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/2ea70b17798d - Florian Quèze - Do the l10n repackaging from a clean locale repository.
15:20:53 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/4c664512dfbd - Florian Quèze - Do the l10n repackaging from a clean locale repository.
15:23:44 <clokep_work> v17al: Just a heads up that in general we like to use full sentences in our comments.
15:24:08 <v17al> Ok, I'll use them from now on
15:24:23 <flo> v17al: the code looks better :)
15:24:33 <v17al> Thanks :)
15:24:43 <v17al> Took a little while though :P
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15:34:27 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com added attachment 889 to bug 763.
15:34:28 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 888 on bug 763.
15:34:29 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 889 on bug 763.
15:34:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763 min, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Allow middle-click on IRC nick
15:35:21 <clokep_work> v17al: You do have a spelling error in that btw. ;)
15:35:42 <v17al> No way :O!
15:35:53 <clokep_work> Personally I would use "Open a private conversation in new tab on a middle or double click."
15:36:09 <clokep_work> "chat" is kind of a technical phrase in the code that we use for "multi-user chatrooms".
15:36:16 <clokep_work> Yeah you need to s/of/or/
15:36:28 <v17al> I just threw yours in there, thansk
15:36:30 <v17al> thanks*
15:37:27 <clokep_work> No problem! Yours are good though! Thanks for picking up some bugs to work on. :)
15:37:42 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com added attachment 890 to bug 763.
15:37:43 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 889 on bug 763.
15:37:44 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 890 on bug 763.
15:37:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763 min, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Allow middle-click on IRC nick
15:40:46 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1063 to FIXED.
15:40:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1063 nor, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, "SSL handshake failed" when connecting with SSL.
15:44:05 <clokep_work> Lots of bugs fixed for 1.1 it seems...
15:44:44 <flo> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=FIXED%20target%3A1.1a1
15:45:06 <flo> + all those that don't have the correct target milestone, or aren't in bugzilla
15:45:40 <flo> err, actually: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=FIXED%20target%3A1.1
15:45:48 <flo> bugs are spread between 1.1a1 and 1.1 :-/
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15:46:18 <flo> err, scratch that, seraching for 1.1 adds the 0.1.1 bugs :(
15:48:26 <DGMurdockIII> once this has the aabilty to block user and file transfers support i dont see any why people need to use pidgin anymore
15:50:08 <clokep_work> We should mass change the 1.1a1 to 1.1 and delete the 1.1a1 I think.
15:50:36 <flo> I was wondering if we couldn't delete 1.1 and rename 1.1a1 (to avoid the bugspam)
15:51:36 <clokep_work> That works too.
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15:52:19 <flo> it's probably also time to go to addons.instantbird.org and bump add-on compatibility to 1.2a1pre
15:52:27 <flo> as tomorrow's nightly will have that number
15:52:52 <clokep_work> Yes. I should do that...
15:55:19 <flo> it's too bad the site doesn't offer an easy way to do that :-/
15:58:23 <flo> I've just updated Colorize, Show Nick, Status Reminder, ViewSelectionSource (I haven't checked in a while that it actually works though) and Highlight
15:58:49 <clokep_work> ViewSelectionSource worked right after the 1.0 release.
15:59:02 <flo> it still works.
15:59:11 <flo> I've just noticed it's installed in my default profile :-D
16:00:02 <flo> I'll need to upload and bump the maxVersion of Hide Auto-joins and Nick Serv Killer 2.0, 
16:00:16 <flo> and also Do Not Disturb and No Spam
16:00:38 <FeuerFliege> does a middle click fire onclick?
16:00:51 <flo> why not?
16:01:01 <FeuerFliege> I didn’t think so. 
16:01:31 <flo> I only have a workinprogress for the No Spam add-on. It should work, but doesn't support the preferences. If anybody is interested in finishing it before I do, that would be welcome: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1016
16:01:36 <FeuerFliege> At least some time ago you cant fire onclick events with middle click in firefox (but chrome worked)
16:02:04 <flo> FeuerFliege: isn't that because the browser handled them and didn't dispatch them to web content?
16:02:59 <FeuerFliege> hm maybe …
16:03:01 <flo> I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) that I'm the author of all the add-ons I really use :-S. I used to love Tab Complete though :-].
16:08:01 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): you know on gmail labs there is a feature called Green Robot! that dose Chat buddies show up as robot icons if they are currently using Android. Helpful to determine if you are chatting with someone on a computer or someone on an Android device.
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16:09:31 <flo> DGMurdockIII: you know you already discussed that in bug 972, right? ;)
16:09:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=972 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Mark GTalk users on Android as "mobile"
16:10:53 <clokep_work> flo: I'm the author of like half my extension if it makes you feel better. :p
16:11:02 <DGMurdockIII> now i dont see where it mentions the gmail chat feature
16:12:07 <flo> then add a comment there. But it's the same request, really.
16:12:23 <flo> clokep_work: half seems a good proportion :)
16:12:55 <flo> clokep_work: it means you both have the power to change the UX for you *and* benefit from other's work
16:13:09 <FeuerFliege> half of my addons are from flo, the other half is from firefox
16:13:49 <flo> http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-release-1.1/builds/1/steps/shell/logs/stdio is this really the output one should expect from the rm -rf command? :-S
16:14:54 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: The request is from using GChat in GMail,y es.
16:15:18 <DGMurdockIII> yeah
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16:31:13 <v17al> FeuerFliege: onclick is fired for middle click, I just worked on code for it.
16:43:09 <FeuerFliege> v17al: I know, I saw it there and had in mind that it doesn’t work with Gecko browsers
16:45:16 <v17al> FeuerFliege: I suppose instead of saying worked on code I should have mentioned that it's working on my end. Poor choice of words :)
16:46:19 <Mook_as> that rm -Rf log is awesome :D
16:46:57 <flo> Mook_as: glad you like! :)
16:47:00 <flo> I find it a bit scary ;)
16:47:21 <Mook_as> #buildbot is on freenode ;)
16:48:01 <flo> ahah
16:49:00 <flo> I think they already know that buildbot screws up interruptions of jobs on Windows ;)
16:50:31 <flo> the second linux rc is already being uploaded :)
17:06:33 <flo> I renamed the 1.1 milestone to 1.2 and 1.1a1 to 1.1 and added an 1.1 version in bugzilla
17:07:31 <flo> Linux release candidates, for whoever would like to test them: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.1-candidates/2011-10-13-18-instantbird/
17:08:22 <clokep_work> flo: Did you move any bugs that were in 1.1?
17:08:39 <flo> bug 1056 was the only one
17:08:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1056 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, xmpp autojoin chat room with a password are not supported by the current auto-join feature.
17:16:44 <clokep_work> Oh, that makes it easy.
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18:03:21 <flo> boo, the Windows repackaging fails :(
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18:17:30 <Mic> clokep_work: hmm, I'll try to think about anything.
18:18:40 <Mic> I'd wanted to write a posting about dynamically inserting inline options because I'm not sure that people know that this is possible but I guess that doesn't count ;)
18:19:10 <Mic> It's not more related to 1.1 than "we're on Mozilla7 now and can do that kind of fun" ;)
18:19:15 <Mic> *then
18:19:33 <Mic> d'oh! 
18:19:36 <Mic> *than
18:19:37 <clokep_work> Mic: Sounds like that would go well on your own blog. ;)
18:19:47 <clokep_work> But I meant a new feature of 1.1, yes
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18:38:38 <Mic> hmm .. 
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18:38:57 <Mic> .. I guess all the fancy things are taken already? ;)
18:41:45 <clokep_work> Nobody has written anything yet...what are you interested in doing? :P
18:45:06 <clokep_work> The ideas from the weekly meeting are - Conversations on Hold - Interruptions manager (including example add-ons + ideas) - Usable Twitter (including nick completion and tooltips) btw
18:46:26 <Mic> Twitter's definitely not my thing, I'm not even using it
18:48:56 <clokep_work> You could come up with something else too!
18:53:53 <Mic> Another failed experiment: setting -moz-column-width on richlistboxes (or the parent element). I was hoping that it would be an easy way to create several columns if the contact list is wide enough :(
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19:08:36 <clokep_work> I think you can have multiple columns in a richlistbox.
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19:15:48 <Mook_as> you probably want to use a <grid> instead
19:18:46 <flo> it's painful to discover each time we attempt to release that l10n repackaging is broken and needs an update somewhere
19:19:31 <flo> the kind of things that make me think we should localize nightlies...
19:21:10 <flo> or maybe weekly...
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19:21:33 <flo> but supporting yet another kind of build doesn't necessarily help :-S
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19:30:02 <clokep_work> We can just ask Mozilla to stop changing how localizations are built? :P
19:39:13 <flo> maybe stop changing Firefox altogether ;). Let's create a process for rapid release of identical builds :).
19:39:57 <flo> it looks like porting https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587986 should reduce slightly the pain in the future, but I'm not really comfortable doing that just a few minutes before building an RC :-/.
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19:48:25 <clokep_work> :( Is htis something we should add to a checklist somewhere? Checking that l10n build actually work.
19:49:25 <flo> when should we check that?
19:49:37 <clokep_work> A few days before trying to make an RC? :P
19:49:42 <flo> hmm, after each Mozilla update I guess
19:49:44 <clokep_work> But I guess that's what RCs are for.
19:49:52 <clokep_work> Or yeah, after each version bump.
19:50:20 <flo> locales won't be ready, but that doesn't really matter, as missing strings will be replaced by en-US strings
19:50:37 <flo> well, that doesn't matter as long as we don't upload these builds
19:52:38 <flo> the installer (or is this only the l10n repackaging?) seems very inefficient on Windows.
19:53:09 <flo> A bit like if we used to need to generate both the installer and the zip in the past, and now the mozilla build system does both at once but our makefile is still calling it once for each
19:53:18 <flo> I'll need to investigate that soon
19:53:37 <flo> s/the installer/creating the installer/
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20:12:39 <Mic> Random question: are we going to require use of the interruptions manager (well, only where it is needed of course;) for making an add-on public on AIO?
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20:18:11 <flo> Mic: sounds like a good idea.
20:18:19 <flo> I'm not sure how well we can enforce it though
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20:36:24 <Mic> good night
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20:37:26 <flo> I like that "ahah!" moment when suddenly the cause of the problem becomes obvious
20:38:02 <flo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313956 is what's breaking us. Apparently it entered in effect for Firefox 6.
20:38:21 <flo> hmm, or fx5
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21:19:34 <v17al> Hey I was taking a peek at bug 772 and I was wondering how far this patch would need to go. I've added a alphabetical contact comparator method and have that working, however I just wanted to know how much more would be needed? I assume there should be some way to pass a comparator so that the sorting behavior can be altered at runtime, and also I haven't taken a look at adding contacts, however I know we have a slight hack for doing that in a so
21:19:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use a sortComparator function on groups to allow easy changing of the order of contacts
21:21:09 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/2ab2917e81d3 - Florian Quèze - Attempt to fix Windows l10n repackaging bustage caused by changes from bug 313956.
21:21:11 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/73f480ee09a7 - Florian Quèze - Attempt to fix Windows l10n repackaging bustage caused by changes from bug 313956.
21:22:22 <clokep_work> v17al: I don't think we were looking to provide an API for over riding the method, just consolidating it into a single method so it could be easily overwritten.
21:22:53 <flo> v17al: what you said was cut after "that in a so"
21:23:56 <v17al> rted manner as well.
21:24:28 <clokep_work> You mean that we have an optimized binary search or something for adding contacts?
21:24:28 <v17al> Is what came afterward. Is that a bug that it got cut off? It was showing properly in my chat window
21:24:40 <clokep_work> No, it's an IRC protocol thing.
21:24:50 <clokep_work> And there's not really anyway to know since IRC doesn't echo back to you what you sent.
21:25:09 <clokep_work> We should be able to figure out how long of a message you can send (most servers tell you) and then split messages up though.
21:25:12 <clokep_work> So I guess it's a bug. :)
21:25:16 <flo> clokep_work: doesn't the server give the max length of accepted messages during connection?
21:25:25 <v17al> Yeah that could be an easy fix
21:25:32 <flo> we could also just limit the message length, like on twitter
21:25:48 <v17al> That's definitely the safest route
21:26:15 <v17al> Also the way we currently add a contact to the list is we use binary search to add it to the proper spot
21:26:42 <clokep_work> flo: It /can/ give a max length, if it doesn't we can fall back to the spec though. IT's something to look at eventually.
21:27:03 <flo> after switching to JS-IRC ;)
21:27:18 <clokep_work> Yes. :)
21:27:24 <clokep_work> I think I fixed a large bug in that last night by the way!
21:27:48 <flo> ah, didn't you say something about it depending on the length of the chatroom name, as what the server indicates is the max length of what can be accepted on a single protocol-level line or something like that?
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21:28:12 <clokep_work> Yes. The server tells you a command length.
21:28:13 <v17al> When adding a contact to the list, should I just eliminate the binary search and instead throw the contact in and then sort the list?
21:28:30 <clokep_work> What depends on the command + the channel name + a few spaces + a : + what you say.
21:28:38 <flo> v17al: why?
21:29:09 <clokep_work> Anyway I should have left an hour ago. So goodnight!
21:29:19 <v17al> See ya!
21:29:21 <flo> clokep_work: good evening :)
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21:29:58 <v17al> One sec flo I think I got that idea from the bug log and I'll have to sift through the 4 related bugs to find it.
21:30:26 <v17al> I see this in one comment:
21:30:27 <v17al> > 19:47:33 <Mic> Right now it's pre-sorting on names when building the group and checking again/sorting in in addContact again (using the names again)
21:30:27 <v17al> > 19:48:08 <flo> and checking in contact-display-name-changed too!
21:31:18 <v17al> Also it seems that message got split into 3 different messages?
21:32:11 <flo> yes, IRC doesn't support line breaks, so the message is split
21:32:11 <v17al> From Mic's message I took it that this is bad behavior which is why I was asking about alternative routes we could take
21:32:40 <v17al> I need to read up on IRC protocol before I make my next dumb observation on what I think might be a bug lol
21:33:39 <flo> if you are interested in fixing IRC bugs... we may have a lot of them to play with in a few days (or weeks? :-S) when we will integrate clokep's work to rewrite the IRC plugin in JavaScript
21:34:02 <flo> so, names are compared at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/group.xml#96
21:34:36 <v17al> I've replaced that with a method for now.
21:35:10 <v17al> As long as nice bug reports are created I'm sure I'd be up for the IRC bugs. However I am booked off this weekend as I'm graduating from university and also attending a 24 hour gaming event for charity
21:35:22 <flo> at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/group.xml#213 when the display name changes
21:35:43 <flo> and at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/group.xml#256 for added contacts
21:36:36 <flo> heh, we won't integrate js-irc during the week-end. I need to review it again before
21:36:44 <v17al> :)
21:37:16 <v17al> For lines 213 and 256 (or anything else you find next :)), did you want to change that or leave it as is for now?
21:37:50 <v17al> I'm thinking it might need changing since the sort method might get changed later and leave those behind
21:39:06 <flo> I'm confused. What are "that" and "it" referring to in these last 2 sentences? :-S
21:42:01 <v17al> Line 256 is the add contact code and line 213 is the contact rename code. They are set for sorting on names. When a contact is renamed it appears they are removed and re-added to the list, invoking the binary search from 256. However these two code chunks are based upon the fact that we are sorting by name, which might be changed.
21:43:04 <v17al> Should we instead take an approach which concentrates all sorting related stuff on comparators, which would leave everything up to the one method. This would also make it very easy for extensions to modify sorting.
21:43:58 <flo> using a comparator method for all comparison was the idea behind bug 772 yes
21:44:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use a sortComparator function on groups to allow easy changing of the order of contacts
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21:45:18 <v17al> OK, just wanted to see what you thought; earlier you asked me why I wanted to change this and I didn't know if you wanted to leave it or not.
21:46:01 <flo> if you want the sort order to be possibly based on something which is not the display name, you will also want to move the code at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/group.xml#204 into a separate method so that an add-on can reuse it when something else changes on a contact
21:47:01 <flo> v17al: if you keep describing the things you are talking about with "this", "that", "those", "it", ... the conversation is very confusing, and you are likely not going to get the answers you need to actually move forward
21:47:33 <flo> ealier you asked if you should "just remove the binary search". I don't see how that could be related to using sort comparator functions.
21:49:33 <v17al> I suppose I should change the binary search to take advantage of the comparator method.
21:50:47 <flo> yes, it needs to call the comparator where the current code compares "name" to "this.contacts[ <something> ].sortName"
21:52:18 <v17al> OK, the final thing I wanted to check in on is whether or not we will be needing the sortName property anymore. The comparator converts the contact name to lowercase, so we shouldn't be needing this attribute anymore right?
21:53:50 <flo> it's never been really needed, it was just a nice optimization. But if your comparator compares imIContact instances rather than the contact DOM nodes, you can't keep it. So yeah, you will need to remove and replace .sortName everywhere it's used
21:54:27 <v17al> OK, thanks a lot flo! I will fix this up once I get back, see ya later :)
21:54:49 <flo> do you need to leave the room each time you start coding? :-D
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22:02:01 <flo> arg, the new Mac rc started 11 seconds too late to be in the same folder as the previous one :(
22:02:09 <flo> s/previous one/other ones/
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22:36:51 <v17al> flo: The only reason I leave the room is when I recompile my code; maybe I should get two separate clients for this..
22:37:05 <flo> sure
22:37:15 <flo> 2 separate instantbird installations ;)
22:37:25 <v17al> Haha yeah :)
22:37:55 <flo> hacking the version you use to communicate is rarely a good idea ;)
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22:39:19 <v17al> Yeah although it always feels pretty cool to have compiled software which is even newer than trunk
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22:43:06 <flo> I'm probably too old to feel that any more :-S
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22:54:17 * flo cancelled tomorrow's nightlies
22:55:09 <flo> only the mac nightly was likely to cause a problem, but I haven't found a way to disable only the mac nightly
23:02:21 <flo> heh, I hadn't noticed that we are planning on releasing on October 18. :-)
23:02:51 <flo> that's the day we released Instantbird 0.1!  Four years ago
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23:07:10 <Mook_as> okay, that means you know when you want to release 1.2 now ;)
23:10:13 <flo> uh?
23:10:37 <flo> apparently my fix for the windows bustage works correctly. the new RC is already further in the build
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23:12:14 <flo> Mook_as: how does that help for 1.2?
23:13:03 <Mook_as> 0.2 + 4 years? XD
23:15:21 <flo> ah
23:15:39 <flo> then we can release 1.1.1 as 0.1.1 + 4 years. That will be way before ;)
23:16:22 <Mook_as> sure :)
23:16:49 <flo> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:timeline
23:17:05 <flo> hmm, 0.1 -> 0.1.1 took 5 months
23:18:53 <flo> and 5 more months for 0.1.2, where the changelog basically says "we now have a build system" :-D
23:23:37 <flo> that was still svn. "Revision 200, yay!" in https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32#c5 :-D
23:23:45 <instantbot> Bug 32 cri, P5, 0.1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Crash [@ purpleDNSRequest::Failed]
23:24:12 <flo> we are at the revision 1737 now.
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23:40:10 <flo> upload of the windows rc in progress :)
23:40:35 <flo> Good night :)
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23:49:40 <clokep> You don't need to review my code flo, everything I write is perfect. ;)
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23:49:59 <clokep> But yeah, it'll need quite the review and I'm sure lots of bugs to fix after it lands and people use it in ways I don't.
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