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01:32:25 <v17al> Hey clokep, I had a question based on my chat with you and flo a couple days ago
01:32:43 <clokep> v17al: Sure, give me a minute?
01:32:52 <clokep> (Well feel free to ask, but it'll be a minut ebefore I respond.)
01:33:55 <v17al> clokep: Sure! I am looking at implementing the advanced sound controls add-on I mentioned the other day (ask if you don't remember), and I wanted to check in on instantbird's preferences
01:34:49 <v17al> clokep: Flo mentioned that he would be open to the idea of adding some hidden preferences, and I am looking into changing few core files in order to make the add-on more robust
01:38:33 <clokep> v17al: Right so I believe flo was saying he wouldn't be opposed to the idea of adding hidden preferences to control the sounds better (and an add-on could always be made to add UI for these).
01:39:23 <v17al> clokep: Yeah so I was looking into this, and I have changed the current preferences in this way: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1012.
01:39:50 <clokep> v17al: If you have the source actually checked out I would prefer diffs, if not...don't worry. :)
01:40:12 <v17al> clokep: What I would like to do is also modify the ibSounds module to only play sounds based on current preferences
01:40:40 <v17al> basically it would check if blist preferences are enabled, and then further check the subcategories such as login logout
01:40:59 <clokep> That could work.
01:41:15 <clokep> Why do you need the "blist" option, can't you just set them both to true/false?
01:41:41 <v17al> Sure, and then modify the behavior of the current preferences menu?
01:41:48 <clokep> Yes.
01:41:55 <v17al> That sounds great!
01:42:05 <v17al> Just wanted to check in before making any changes
01:42:18 <clokep> Wait, so are you saying that there currently already are prefs to do what you want?
01:42:28 <clokep> I'm confused at your "original" vs "updated"
01:42:36 <clokep> What's actually being added?
01:42:40 <v17al> the updated
01:43:09 <v17al> IE playSounds.blist is current in the preferences, I wanted to add login logout
01:43:15 <clokep> Ah, never mind. we currently have just blist and message.
01:43:41 <clokep> OK...so...flo might actually want both sets of prefs (blist + login + logout) for backwards compatibility.
01:43:50 <v17al> k
01:48:33 <clokep> v17al: You might want to take a peek at bug 731 btw. (A lot isn't applicable, but some is.)
01:48:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731 nor, --, 0.3b1, florian, RESO FIXED, Sounds should work even when the buddy list is closed.
01:49:02 <v17al> K, I'll make sure I don't break anything :)
01:49:42 <clokep> :) Good luck! Let us know if you have any questions or are like WTF when looking at the Mozilla objects.
01:49:49 <clokep> (Or just want references to stuff.)
01:52:43 <v17al> Thanks a lot for the help, I should have this ready for a code review within the next hour or so
01:52:51 <v17al> No rush though :)
01:53:27 <clokep> :) Yes, no rush then...earliest anyone will review it is in 5 hours probably. :P
02:00:49 <v17al> Quick question, is there a maximum line length of 80 chars, or does that not apply to this project?
02:01:14 <clokep> Yes, we abide by that mostly.
02:01:22 <clokep> Not every file might do it, but they should. :)
02:01:29 <v17al> :) thanks
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02:09:35 <douglaswth> gah! I need a safety to keep me from closing tabs in instantbird
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02:13:38 <clokep1> douglaswth: You mean like being able to put a conversation on hold in the contact list but have it tell you how many messages have occurred? ;)
02:14:19 <douglaswth> that would be nice too, but really I'd like locked tabs that just don't close
02:15:37 <v17al> A simple addon could fix that, just pop a dialog confirming a chat close
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02:18:25 <clokep1> Or just get rid of the hooks that let you close it. :P
02:18:35 <clokep1> (And douglaswth what I described is in the current nightlies.)
02:19:39 <douglaswth> cool
02:22:07 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com added attachment 875 to bug 948.
02:22:08 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 875 on bug 948.
02:22:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
02:27:33 <clokep1> Hmm...
02:39:49 <clokep1> v17al: Take your time responding to that, I'm going to bed. ;)
02:39:58 <v17al> sure :)
02:40:04 <v17al> 'night
02:40:08 <clokep1> Goodnight.
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03:52:16 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com added attachment 876 to bug 948.
03:52:17 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 875 on bug 948.
03:52:18 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 876 on bug 948.
03:52:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
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08:43:52 <FeuerFliege> good morning!
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09:05:49 <flo> hello :)
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09:06:46 <flo> so the regression in bug 1066 took ~20 days to be noticed? That's scary :-S. And it means expending contacts isn't all that useful ;).
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09:06:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1066 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Collapsing contact info in buddy list with mouse will hide the contact
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09:14:29 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 876 on bug 948.
09:14:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
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09:52:43 <flo> FeuerFliege: hmm, do we know what has the focus if it's not the buddylistbox? Maybe the button? We can maybe prevent that
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10:00:36 <flo> FeuerFliege: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1013 does this help?
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10:04:23 <FeuerFliege> flo: that seems sufficient.
10:04:42 <flo> it's probably also an accessibility improvement
10:07:27 <flo> does it also help with the other bug reported yesterday?
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10:08:35 <FeuerFliege> bug 1067?
10:08:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1067 min, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Chat Icon Remains After Expand is Pressed
10:11:22 <FeuerFliege> yeah, that is the same problem. It is fixed with your proposed CSS 
10:12:51 <flo> I was thinking bug 1068
10:12:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1068 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Can not expand contacts by clicking the downward arrow
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10:14:12 <FeuerFliege> that too :)
10:14:54 <flo> + an accessibility issue reported yesterday by pvagner (his report was actually much closed to the real issue than the other "sighted" reports ;))
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10:18:09 <FeuerFliege> 3+ Bugs fixed with a little CSS. Nice :)
10:18:30 <flo> I've pushed the fix + requested a new Windows nightly
10:18:34 <flo> so that reporters can check it's fixed
10:18:56 <flo> (+ a linux nightly too)
10:18:58 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/549c2079e180 - Florian Quèze - Ignore focus on buttons that are part of the contact binding (should fix bug 1066, 1067 and 1068 + an accessibility issue).
10:22:13 <flo> I wonder if the add-on I wrote yesterday is enough to mark bug 470 FIXED (well, once the add-on is on AIO I guess)
10:22:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Quiet mode
10:24:19 <clokep> Your extension definitely accomplishes Mic's original request, but not your more advanced use cases (of allowing certain users through, etc.)
10:24:30 <clokep> (Or the full screen case.)
10:25:42 <flo> the only thing is... I wonder if the feature of that add-on shouldn't be the default behavior
10:26:05 <FeuerFliege> where can I find the add-on?
10:26:16 <flo> I'm almost convinced it's the "right" behavior, but I'm afraid it may be surprising for people used to broken clients that don't help them get respected
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10:27:49 <flo> here:
10:27:51 <clokep> I agree, although I think if it was made the default behavior we'd want another status of "Do Not Disturb"? :-/
10:27:56 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 877 to bug 470.
10:27:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Quiet mode
10:28:22 <flo> clokep: isn't that what "Unavailable" means already? ;)
10:28:35 <flo> that + status reminder go well together :)
10:28:50 <clokep> Not exactly. ;) But the issue is that they're all essentially the same. :(
10:30:03 <flo> I read http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=www.corelinux.net%2F2011%2F07%2Fprobuem-novyj-im-klient-instantbird-1-0%2F this morning.
10:31:03 <flo> the guy complains about being able to set an ICQ encoding in the advanced options, and the lack of a pointlessly long list of possible status to choose from. He also wants a separate status per account, and separate buddy list per account. Uh.
10:31:22 <flo> and Instantbird "the last century" because it doesn't provide that :-D.
10:31:27 <flo> +is
10:32:02 <clokep> Does anything provide all of that? :P
10:32:15 <clokep> (And I guess you're right "Unavailable" is pretty much "Do Not Disturb".)
10:32:45 <clokep> Does setting away when idle actual set your status as "away" or "unavailable" or what? (I'm talking about the libpurple level shere.)
10:33:12 <flo> it sets it to away
10:33:22 <flo> but if you were already unavailable, it doesn't change it
10:34:12 <flo> the thing about status is, if we keep our (my?) "encouraging lies is bad" point of view, there are only 2 possible status: "I'm here, feel free to talk to me", "I'm here, but please don't talk to me."
10:34:27 <clokep> Hahaha, that article is pretty much "Hey I think this is the best IM client and love all these crazy features so I'm going to review another one and say things I hate about it"...
10:34:32 <flo> the others "I'm not here" (= away) can't be set by the user, because obviously he is here when setting his status.
10:34:49 <clokep> Right, I agree with that.
10:34:50 <flo> and idle is "I haven't touched my computer for a while", you obviously can't set that by hand without lying
10:35:39 <flo> well, another possible status is "I'm here, this is what I'm listening to, feel free to download it ;)"
10:36:18 <clokep> I think what I was trying to get at is that if it was on by default...we might only want it to be enabled when you specifically set yourself to "Unavailable". I'm not sure which the user would expect.
10:36:42 <clokep> Although the going idle while giving a presentation is a nice side effect...the real way to fix that is to set yourself as unavailable automatically when another application is full screen. :-D
10:36:45 <flo> oh, right, doing it on idle is a bit too strong
10:37:08 <flo> but yeah, the add-on is just a proof of concept
10:37:33 <clokep> PS I usually forget status reminder isn't part of the core. ;)
10:37:50 <flo> maybe we should include it
10:37:59 <flo> clokep: I always feel I don't have a single add-on installed.
10:38:37 <flo> even though I use: Colorize, Hide Auto-Joins, Highlight, Nick Serv Killer 2, Show Nick and Status Reminder.
10:38:47 <clokep> Mmhmm. :)
10:39:29 <clokep> (Also, kind of unrelated...but I had flagged Auto Link for review...I found a bug in it that crops up occasionally + left a debug statement in it...but I apparently can't unflag it for review. :( So you can deny / ignore it.)
10:39:39 <flo> Disabled (integrated by default!) : MagGestures (wow, my profile is old!), Reply To Nick, Tab Complete, Time Bubbles, Facebook Chat.
10:41:14 <flo> clokep: so you are sure you want me to deny it without review? ;)
10:41:38 <clokep> Yes. :)
10:42:31 <clokep> Funny you have disable extensions because they're integrated...I have disabled extension cause I never finished them. :P
10:42:59 <flo> I never install unfinished add-ons in my default profile
10:43:11 <flo> my debug profiles have a crapload of broken/unfinished/crappy add-ons ;)
10:43:34 <clokep> Well...I /thought/ they were finished. ;)
10:43:41 <clokep> I have IRC in JS disabled right now. :(
10:44:07 <clokep> (And yes, we can change purple to Instantbird as the real name for IRC)
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10:53:53 <flo> aleth: the new linux nightly is ready, maybe you can verify bug 1068 is fixed? :)
10:53:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1068 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Can not expand contacts by clicking the downward arrow
10:57:11 <FeuerFliege> flo: you are from france, right?
10:57:23 <flo> yes
10:58:33 <FeuerFliege> flo: it is OT but can you explain what RIB is and if there is a way to get BIC and IBAN with this number? I have to pay a hospital in France.
10:59:44 <flo> no
11:00:04 <flo> well, RIB is a subset of the BIC+IBAN information.
11:00:32 <flo> except usually french banks provide the information both in the standard french format and in the IBAN+BIC format
11:02:05 <flo> well, if you know the name of the bank, you can probably find with Google the BIC + the 2 first digits of the IBAN.
11:05:41 <FeuerFliege> I phoned there but it was quite hard to get along, I don’t speak French at all and their English was not good. They only had the RIB number. Seems like I must drive to the city and see if my bank can help me.
11:05:44 <FeuerFliege> Thanks you very much anyway. 
11:06:09 <flo> maybe you need a french person to call them?
11:06:34 <flo> I'm away for lunch. Will be back in an hour or so.
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11:33:56 <aleth> I don't think Unavailable = Do not disturb. The former is "unavailable to buddies", the latter is "don't disturb me, the user". Outward vs inward facing. There is a distinction between "I'm here, but don't expect an immediate response if you talk to me" and "I want IB to go completely quiet".
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11:37:28 <aleth> flo: bug 1068 is indeed fixed :)
11:37:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1068 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Can not expand contacts by clicking the downward arrow
11:38:39 <aleth> Btw the use of <...> in the "drop a contact here to merge it" looks a little unfinished somehow... maybe use italic font instead?
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11:46:19 <clokep_work> aleth: I don't understand what you mean by http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/111012/#m239
11:47:48 <clokep_work> It sounds to me that you're equating "Unavailable" to "Busy" and that "Do Not Disturb" is a stronger version of the former two?
11:48:28 <aleth> That would be one way of putting it
11:48:51 <aleth> I guess it depends on how you use the states - and to simplify as far as possible but no further
11:50:46 <aleth> My main point was that there is a distinction between my status as reported to the outside world ("how you may expect me to respond to IM at the moment") and the degree of "interruptions" I want to have at any given moment for myself.
11:51:46 <clokep_work> Ah, in our previous conversation we were using "Do Not Disturb" as a status type (as it's supported in some protocols), you're just saying you wouldn't want it dependent on status ta all.
11:52:20 <aleth> Ah right I did not know that! I have never seen "Do not disturb" as a status choice, but then I only use XMPP pretty much
11:52:52 <clokep_work> We don't support it in Instantbird...
11:52:52 <aleth> Available/unavailable/offline are the choices I have
11:52:54 <clokep_work> One second.
11:53:08 <clokep_work> Yeah, I think you're missing what our discussion was about. ;)
11:53:19 <aleth> The perils of reading the log...
11:53:35 <aleth> Just ignore what I said then :)
11:54:03 <clokep_work> It's OK. I'm trying to find the part of the code I'm refering to...
11:54:18 <clokep_work> (Although I can't, so maybe I'm the confused one!)
11:56:12 <clokep_work> aleth: Well the list of statuses supported is http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/public/imIContactsService.idl#123
11:56:30 <clokep_work> So you're right, there is only an UNAVAILABLE and an AVAILABLE. :(
11:56:35 <clokep_work> So I'm the confused one. :(
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11:57:04 <clokep_work> Although I guess what you're saying is a "Do Not Disturb" type status would be UNAVAILABLE + enables this extension?
11:57:07 <aleth> I still misunderstood what was being discussed, I thought you were considering tying more IB behaviour to status
11:57:19 <clokep_work> Yes, that's what was being discussed.
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11:58:38 <aleth> What I meant was that there is a potential mismatch between "status" (presented to the outside world) and "desired IB interruption level" (however implemented) without it being "lying" (like people wanting to be invisible)
11:59:18 <aleth> And yes I guess you could add that when you have only a choice between Available and Unavailable there is little scope for differentiation
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11:59:43 <clokep_work> Right.
11:59:44 <aleth> (Don't get me wrong, I think the absence of a zillion different statuses to choose from is a big plus)
12:00:03 <clokep_work> I mean personally (at work) "Unavailable" to me == Do Not Disturb me and never pop anything up.
12:00:09 <clokep_work> But at home...maybe not so much.
12:01:21 <aleth> I suppose its a matter of how you use it, personally. I think sending IMs to people who are "unavailable" is not something you usually do unless you have good reason
12:05:22 <clokep_work> Hahah, yes. But some people seem ot have annoying friends who don't care. ;)
12:05:33 <aleth> Maybe if there was a "Busy" status one could match things up better, but then I still think the distinction between "Busy" and "Unavailable" is not one that can be easily understood by a *buddy* - it would then be used to distinguish between different IB behaviours towards the *user*
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12:05:54 <aleth> Annoying friends will ignore a distinction between busy and unavailable I think ;)
12:06:02 <clokep_work> Touche. :)
12:06:50 <aleth> The idea of a "quiet mode" for IB makes a lot of sense though
12:07:04 <aleth> It's basically turning the interruptions manager features on and off
12:07:46 <aleth> There could be a toggle button somewhere (certainly in the menu)
12:07:58 <aleth> Do I understand that correctly?
12:09:30 <clokep_work> It's not turning the interruptions manager on and off as you'd still want things such as NickServKiller running (which also uses the interruptions manager)
12:09:50 <aleth> True
12:13:24 <clokep_work> If the extension is restartless you can just disable it! ;)
12:13:27 <clokep_work> Don't even need a button.
12:14:48 <aleth> That could always be done by an add-on too ;)
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12:25:29 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com added attachment 878 to bug 948.
12:25:30 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 878 on bug 948.
12:25:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
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13:46:55 <flo> the new Windows nightly is ready (for whoever wants to verify that bugs 1066-1068 are fixed).
13:57:02 <FeuerFliege> I can confirm bug 1066-1068 fixed with latest Nightly.
13:57:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1066 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Collapsing contact info in buddy list with mouse will hide the contact
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15:10:24 <v17al> While making an addon I've hit a bit of a snag. I'm trying to pull user preferences and use them to set the state of a xul component (IE, disable a checkbox if a certain preference is false/true). I was wondering if anyone could give me a hand on this?
15:12:31 <flo> show your code?
15:12:41 <flo> or use an example from the preference window?
15:14:04 <v17al> Services.prefs.getBoolPref("messenger.options.playSounds.blist")
15:14:30 <clokep_work> There's a special preferences window which does it all for you I think? (Or you could do inline preferences too. ;))
15:15:35 <flo> you may be interested in http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/preferences/tabs.xul and http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/preferences/tabs.js
15:15:52 <v17al> Thanks flo, I
15:15:56 <v17al> I'll look into it
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15:18:54 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1067 to FIXED.
15:18:55 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1066 to FIXED.
15:18:56 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1068 to FIXED.
15:19:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1067 min, --, 1.1a1, florian, RESO FIXED, Chat Icon Remains After Expand is Pressed
15:19:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1068 nor, --, 1.1a1, florian, RESO FIXED, Can not expand contacts by clicking the downward arrow
15:19:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1066 nor, --, 1.1a1, florian, RESO FIXED, Collapsing contact info in buddy list with mouse will hide the contact
15:19:13 * flo is glad he didn't have to open a VM for that
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15:44:27 <clokep_work> Well that was easy. ;)
15:51:30 <flo> it didn't look like it yesterday though
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15:58:26 <clokep_work> :) Nice to have something look hard and be easy to fix for a change? ;)
16:18:34 <flo> so for bug 979, shouldn't we just take the patch that's already there, and decide that what remains isn't worth delaying 1.1?
16:18:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=979 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix look for "Hidden conversations" /"Contacts" contact list sections and their headers
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16:20:56 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 986 to FIXED.
16:21:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=986 nor, --, 1.1a1, benediktp, RESO FIXED, Improve theming of the "unread count"
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16:24:04 <clokep_work> I like that idea flo.
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16:29:39 <FeuerFliege> what is missing for bug 979? 
16:29:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=979 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix look for "Hidden conversations" /"Contacts" contact list sections and their headers
16:29:56 <flo> an owner telling what needs to be done
16:34:14 <FeuerFliege> So it isn’t a problem of doing, but knowing what to do, right?
16:34:31 <flo> mostly, yes
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16:37:22 <flo> we also need to write the release notes, make them localizable, communicate that to translators (along with the release date we target)
16:37:28 <flo> and prepare blog posts
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17:41:19 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 878 on bug 948.
17:41:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948 nor, --, ---, mattdentremont, ASSI, Finer control over sound notifications (i.e. receiving chat ping vs. instant message)
17:41:56 <Mic> http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7784/ibbug979patchv2.png
17:42:34 <Mic> That's what it looks like with the patch that I have ..
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17:42:43 <Mic> .. I'm unsure about the borders though.
17:44:10 <flo> what do you want to do about them?
17:44:55 <Mic> I'd remove them if there were a way that it would look good with all colors of the glass.
17:46:01 <aleth> Mic: What does it look like with a border only above "Contacts"?
17:46:16 <aleth> (ie as a separator when necessary)
17:46:43 <Mic> You can set the color of the glass and with light colors e.g. light blue (that's default setting afaik) or white, it's hard to tell that it's a separate thing and not just a strange label hanging in the middle of the lists
17:46:52 <Mic> (that's not the answer for aleth of course;)
17:59:34 <Mic> http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/8584/ibbug979v3.png
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18:01:09 <Mic> That's with the bottom borders removed and an additional gradient (very transparent black, starting from the bottom) added.
18:01:30 <Mic> I think it looks good with every color combination that I tried :)
18:02:26 <aleth> That looks good :)
18:03:02 <aleth> nice subtle gradient...
18:03:20 <aleth> Do you even need the border now with the gradient added?
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18:03:38 <aleth> (probably, but might be worth testing)
18:04:04 <Mic> The gradient is completely transparent at the top, it shouldn't change much in the upper half of the headers
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18:04:29 <aleth> Mic: Yes, but it brings out the section title bars more in itself
18:04:35 <Mook_as> it might be good (not sure) for the top border to have a bit of the hue of the rest of the heading
18:04:43 <Mic> It's already at 5% at the bottom end of the header and it only gets less
18:05:37 <aleth> Mic: it may still have more visual separation now visually (optical illusion-ish)
18:05:57 <aleth> but you're probably right
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18:06:26 <Mic> Mook_as: it's the same grey that all other borders in this window have. I don't have the color itself, it's only what shines through from the glass background.
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18:07:46 <Mook_as> right; I was thinking lowering the alpha on it
18:08:14 <flo> away for dinner, back in a few hours to see the results of that discussion :)
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18:35:02 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 879 to bug 979.
18:35:04 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 879 on bug 979.
18:35:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=979 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix look for "Hidden conversations" /"Contacts" contact list sections and their headers
18:36:34 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 880 to bug 979.
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18:38:08 <Mic> Mook_as: I indeed reduced the opacity .. the border looks less obtrusive now :)
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18:56:00 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.com bug 1069 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
18:56:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1069 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, 'What's new" feed display broken
19:00:14 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.com bug 1070 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
19:00:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1070 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Ensure the featured add-ons on the front page actually suitable for the latest version
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19:50:34 <Mic> clokep: thanks for fixing my attachment problems ;)
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19:58:21 <v17al> Hey guys, is there a way to use javascript in the disabled property of a xul checkbox?
19:59:01 <aleth> Mic: I suspect at least some of those changes would also look great in Linux, as the borders there are not perfect atm either
19:59:49 <clokep_work> v17al: That statement doesn't make any sense.
19:59:52 <clokep_work> What are you trying to do?
20:00:07 <clokep_work> Mic: You're welcome.
20:00:18 <aleth> Mic: Might be worth just making them for all OS and seeing what happens :)
20:00:27 <v17al> Trying to set a checkbox as disabled if a javascript code returns true
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20:05:04 <v17al> I suppose I could use bindings for this, however I would just call a function
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20:10:15 <clokep_work> Hmm....I see.
20:10:28 <clokep_work> You want to set the attribute to disabled.
20:10:40 <Mic> v17al: what about setting the attribute onWhatsoever ?
20:10:53 <clokep_work> v17al: Like this: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/accounts.js#226
20:10:59 <Mic> That could be a preferences change or onload or whenever you need to update the value?
20:12:10 <v17al> It has to do with the options screen, so I suppose I could update it onload or something?
20:13:12 <Mic> I guess it depends on the details but most likely yes?
20:14:27 <v17al> I'll give it a shot, I tried earlier but I'm pretty sure I had some other problems laying around as well. Thanks!
20:14:59 <clokep_work> You could always add observers too most likely.
20:17:19 <v17al> clokep_work: Would you be able to explain the observer suggestion?
20:18:06 <clokep_work> Well it's pretty much what Mic said, but you'd do it all programatically in JavaScript instead of touching the XUL code.
20:18:14 <clokep_work> I guess it's actually an event listener though.
20:18:20 <clokep_work> One second.
20:18:46 <Mic> clokep_work: do you mean Services.prefs.addObserver or for the onload event?
20:18:59 <clokep_work> Mic No, not at all.
20:19:02 <Mic> You can observe changes to a preference value to update a UI element
20:19:03 <clokep_work> v17al: See https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/element.addEventListener
20:19:10 <clokep_work> Although it's really hard to give advice w/o knowing more details.
20:19:16 <Mic> Ah .. 
20:19:17 <clokep_work> Yes, you can do that too. That was my next suggestion. :)
20:19:27 <clokep_work> But again, it's really hard to know the "best" way without more information.
20:20:56 <v17al> Yeah that makes sense, I think the onload might work now that I've sorted out the rest of the mess. Thanks a lot for the advice :)
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20:30:25 <aleth> Can you override part of a css with an add-on, or does it need to be a complete theme?
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20:34:44 <Mic> aleth: yes .. 
20:34:48 <clokep_work> You can override parts of it.
20:34:56 <Mic> There's something like overlays for css
20:37:53 <Mic> Was that "override"s in chrome manifests?
20:38:12 <aleth> I was looking at "skin" but it is not clear whether it overlays
20:38:36 <Mic> ah, no.
20:38:40 <Mic> It's "style"
20:38:56 <Mic> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Chrome_Registration#style
20:39:20 <aleth> aha! thanks!
20:39:21 <Mic> Does that help with what you want to do?
20:39:32 <aleth> It looks like it might
20:41:27 <clokep_work> I've had some trouble getting it tow ork though if I remember properly.
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20:53:47 <flo> looking at https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=880, I think the appearance change is OK, as it's something else than the section headers that look awful to me :-D.
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20:58:31 <flo> aleth: I agree the theme around the section headers needs some work on Linux.
20:58:38 <flo> I don't think it's worth holding the release for it though.
20:58:55 <aleth> flo: No, of course it should not block 1.1
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21:00:57 <aleth> I might try to port some of the modifications Mic made over to Linux 
21:01:04 <aleth> (not today though)
21:01:32 <aleth> Is there a way to run IB with an unpacked omni.jar?
21:01:49 <flo> yes. Unpack omni.jar, that's it :-D.
21:02:07 <aleth> lol really? :D
21:02:09 <flo> don't forget to launch with -purgecaches after each change
21:02:28 <aleth> I tried unpacking it to an "omni" dir, that must have been the wrong guess :P
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21:09:03 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 879 on bug 979.
21:09:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=979 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Fix look for "Hidden conversations" /"Contacts" contact list sections and their headers
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21:14:59 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 979 to FIXED.
21:15:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=979 nor, --, 1.1a1, benediktp, RESO FIXED, Fix look for "Hidden conversations" /"Contacts" contact list sections and their headers
21:15:44 <flo> bug 978 has a nice list of resolved depend bugs :)
21:15:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=978 nor, --, 1.1a1, florian, RESO FIXED, Tracking bug for enabling "Hiding conversations" by default
21:16:40 <Mic> aleth: unpack omni.jar
21:16:57 <Mic> Move all files and directories to the Instantbird directory
21:17:11 <Mic> Make sure you merge, not replace, chrome.manifest.
21:17:23 <Mic> Delete omni.jar from the Instantbird directory then.
21:17:51 <aleth> Mic, flo: thanks! 
21:19:35 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/cbf5f412f543 - Florian Quèze - Change the default IRC 'realname' from 'purple' to 'Instantbird'.
21:19:36 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/07440638cc63 - Benedikt Pfeifer - Bug 979 - Improve theming of the 'Conversations on hold' and 'Contacts' section headers on Windows aero, r=fqueze.
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21:36:24 <Mic> nn
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23:19:45 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog-wp.instantbird.org :
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23:19:57 <EionRobb> nice
23:22:14 <clokep> Seems Instantbot is confused. ;)
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23:22:57 <EionRobb> the only option is euthanasia 
23:23:16 <flo> EionRobb: euthanasia doesn't work *after* suicide ;)
23:23:22 * clokep hugs instantbot 
23:23:23 <instantbot> OOoh! clokep!
23:23:24 <EionRobb> :D
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23:24:04 <clokep> Is there a list of locales for 1.1 flo? :P
23:24:29 <clokep> cs, de, es-ES, fr, it, en-US, nl, pl, ru, sk, sv-SE, uk? I'm not sure about et and he?
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23:25:05 <EionRobb> I'd be happy to translate it into en-NZ ;)
23:25:23 <clokep> Go for it. :)
23:25:30 <clokep> :P
23:25:50 <EionRobb> Unable to connect => Your connections beached az bro!
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23:27:45 <flo> clokep: same as for 1.0 + sv-SE and et I think.
23:27:49 <flo> he is definitely not ready.
23:28:23 <flo> (it appears on the locales-status page that it has lots of translated strings, but these are a copy of the French translation)
23:29:19 <clokep> Ah, OK.
23:31:23 <clokep> So if http://willyou.typewith.me/p/AvdzNX79oc looks good I'm willing to make a website patch...but I don't really want to go through the translation process and splitting it into bundles to change it later.
23:32:04 <clokep> (And note that you lose all of my focus at 8 for my fantasy hockey draft. ;))
23:32:36 <clokep> I also have what I think is an update website patch (changing version #s and locales, etc.)
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23:37:26 <flo> So I think the new blog is online without any significant issue :)
23:38:10 <clokep> :)
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23:41:29 <flo> clokep: that etherpad doesn't load for me
23:42:01 <clokep> flo: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/9wXmFy7EBX
23:44:54 <flo> should we really mention the updated QQ plugin, when we know nobody will ever manager to connect with it? :(
23:45:05 <clokep> Probably not. I was thinking that too.
23:46:38 <flo> I feel bad about the "stability part". The top crasher (mac only) isn't fixed :(
23:46:56 <flo> Windows/Linux builds should be much more stable though :)
23:47:29 <flo> somewhere we should say something about the interruption manager bringing awesome (:-D) new possibilities for add-on developers
23:48:00 <flo> but it would be nice to have that link to a blog post explaining the rational for it, and linking to the useful demo add-ons we have
23:48:08 <flo> otherwise, it looks very good! :)
23:48:38 <clokep> Good. :)
23:48:51 <flo> maybe we can clarify a bit more the use cases for the conv on hold feature
23:49:01 <flo> (it doesn't look very exciting as currently explained)
23:49:20 <aleth> Looks great! A lot of meat for a point update
23:49:36 <clokep> Yes, I'd like that. Please feel free to update / make it sound more awesome or even adds notes of what needs to be ocmpleted.
23:51:13 <aleth> I think when you add a screenshot it will be clearer
23:55:11 <flo> I don't think we are going to add a screenshot to the release notes
23:55:22 <flo> (they are translated. Translating a screenshot is painful)
23:55:58 <aleth> I did not mean add it to the release notes, but I am assuming you will do a blog post on the new release and/or separate feature posts
23:56:02 <flo> clokep: I'll generate a changelog tomorrow, once the branch is done
23:56:21 <aleth> So the release notes can afford to be concise
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23:57:12 <clokep> flo: Yes, I assumed you'd do that. :) Thanks.
23:57:40 <flo> no
23:57:41 <flo> uh
23:57:48 <flo> s/no/np/
23:57:48 <flo> :)