#instantbird log on 10 11 2011

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06:58:04 <Usul> Hum can't wait for the next version :)
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08:47:14 <flo> clokep: without connect server override, it will do a DNS SRV query to find the server automatically.
08:47:51 <flo> Usul: it's coming soon! :)
08:48:06 <Usul> super !
08:48:22 <Usul> can we dfine soon ? for me it means in less than one hour :-p
08:48:33 <flo> ah, not that soon then :-D
08:48:58 <flo> Usul: we are targeting the beginning of next week.
08:49:14 <Usul> cool !!
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09:07:45 <flo> can whoever was having trouble connecting to Google talk yesterday confirm that it works with the new nightly? :)
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09:44:58 <flo> I'm not sure of why I said the interruption manager doesn't handle preventing the conversation window from blinking in the task bar.
09:45:13 <flo> it's handled at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/conversation.xml#241
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10:18:29 <clokep> flo: I can connect to GTalk again.
10:18:36 <flo> cool :)
10:19:02 <clokep> Yeah, actually all my accounts are working now.
10:19:17 <flo> so we can build release candidates as soon as bug 979 is fixed? :)
10:19:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=979 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix look for "Hidden conversations" /"Contacts" contact list sections and their headers
10:21:10 <clokep> Is Mic working on that?
10:21:15 <flo> I hope so!
10:23:27 <clokep> I'd prefer to close bug 628 for now I think. File a new clean bug about adding a non sucky UI?
10:23:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628 nor, --, ---, mook.moz+bugs.instantbird, ASSI, Unable to accept IRC invite
10:23:46 <flo> go ahead then :)
10:24:11 <flo> not sure if it's fixed, wfm or invalid :-D
10:25:06 <pvagner> Hello, I'm trying to connect to jabber with instantbird 1.1 nightly. It gives me an error ssl handshake failed. I have tried to play with the options but I am unable to get it to connect.
10:25:32 <flo> pvagner: hello. Are you connecting to jabber or Google Talk?
10:25:40 <clokep> (And which exact nightly?)
10:25:56 <pvagner> flo: Google talk is working fine but I would like to connect to jabber instead.
10:26:08 <pvagner> flo: jabber.cz to be more precise.
10:26:21 <flo> do you know if that server somehow uses a self-signed certificate?
10:27:00 <pvagner> clokep: version 1.1a1pre (20111011092429)
10:27:23 <pvagner> flo: I don't think they are using self-signed certificate
10:27:34 <flo> http://www.jabber.cz/wiki/Self-signed_certificate says they do
10:27:36 <pvagner> flo: I guess they have cacrt signed ones.
10:27:57 <pvagner> huh
10:28:05 <pvagner> they must have changed that
10:29:05 <pvagner> flo: so I should try to add an exception then. But I don't know how to do that. While I'm trying to do that via options -> advanced it asks me to put an https url
10:29:39 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 628 to FIXED.
10:29:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628 nor, --, 1.1a1, florian, RESO FIXED, Unable to accept IRC invite
10:30:00 <clokep> Tools > Options > Advanced > Encryption > View Certificates > Import might do it for you.
10:31:20 <flo> pvagner: there seems to be a cacert certificate in the chain
10:31:31 <flo> so I guess importing the cacert certificates should be enough to enable you to connect
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10:35:41 <flo> pvagner: let us know if you need more help :)
10:37:09 <clokep> And if it worked! :-D
10:38:26 <flo> I've written the Do Not Disturb add-on: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1011
10:38:50 <flo> we still need the "No Spam" add-on and we will be ready to demo the interruption manager ^^
10:42:06 <clokep> Interesting.
10:42:31 <clokep> Is the "pendingConversations" for when you come back from being away it'll show you all the conversations it had forced into the contact list?
10:42:48 <flo> yes
10:43:56 <flo> that add-on seems super useful to me for when watching a fullscreen movie or presenting a slide show
10:44:23 <flo> and even if you forget to set your status to unavailable, after the 5 first minutes of the movie, you are protected by the auto-away feature :)
10:47:13 <clokep> Yup! :) It'd be helpful to have (probably a separate addon) the ability that sees if a different app is full screen, etc. and sets you to "away".
10:47:28 <flo> yeah, separate add-on
10:47:48 <flo> I would also like an add-on setting me unavailable and hiding all conversations for 30 minutes or so
10:47:52 <flo> (to focus on something)
10:48:16 <clokep> Ah, you want the parental controls add-on? ;)
10:48:25 <flo> parental controls?
10:48:31 <flo> I don't have a parent to control right now :-S
10:49:23 <clokep> Parental controls are so parents can choose how much / when /how often their kids can use technology things.
10:49:48 <flo> that's pointless when the kids are more tech savvy, which usually is the case ;)
10:50:25 <flo> there are also the parental control things to prevent from accessing some websites ;)
10:51:15 <flo> I used to filter the outgoing internet connections of the whole house to avoid wasting bandwidth on ads (a dial up connection share for ~5 machines in the house was really not enough :()
10:51:21 <pvagner> I don't know how to import it. cacert has certificate in a pem format while instantbird accepts pkcs 12 format enclipted with key. I don't know what's that key.
10:51:44 <flo> the pem format is OK
10:51:49 <flo> you donwload and save the .crt file
10:51:55 <flo> then you can import that .crt file
10:52:33 <flo> http://www.cacert.org/certs/root.crt is the URL I used to download their root cert
10:53:58 <pvagner> flo: I hit import in the instantbird's certificate manager, paste this url into it and then I am getting....
10:53:59 <pvagner> Please enter the password that was used to encrypt this certificate backup.
10:54:43 <pvagner> flo: If I leave it blank it shows additional error after submitting the dialog.
10:55:26 <flo> does it usually work to paste URLs in these dialogs?
10:55:30 <flo> it prompts me for a file
10:55:45 <pvagner> flo: I think it does. e.g. I can open this file in notepad the same way.
10:56:22 <pvagner> I am going to download it and point instantbird into it just in case....
10:57:38 <clokep> On Windows if you put a URL into a file prompt it downloads it anyway and then just points it to the temporary file.
10:58:07 <pvagner> flo: it behaves the same way no mather whether I'll point it to a file or just paste the url.
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10:58:21 <flo> well, I can't help you, it works for me :-/
10:58:29 <flo> clokep: can you import that certificate?
10:59:10 <clokep> We really need a way to download files directly from Instantbird. :-/
11:00:28 <pvagner> hmmm, I can perfectly add the cert into the seamonkey but not instantbird.
11:01:00 <clokep> Seemed to load in OK.
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11:01:18 <pvagner> ok, done importing...
11:01:33 <flo> what was causing the problem? :)
11:01:53 <pvagner> When I have opened up the certificate manager it was on the your certificates tab. I had to switch to the Servers tab in order to make it work I expect it to.
11:03:53 <flo> and can you connect your account now? :)
11:06:07 <clokep> Ciao.
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11:10:52 <pvagner> flo: unfortunatelly I still can't connect.
11:11:43 <pvagner> flo: do I need an intermediate certificate or something else?
11:13:43 <pvagner> jabbim don't seem to have solution for this either.....
11:13:43 <pvagner> Q: Using SSL, I get invalid certificate error. What can I do? 
11:13:44 <pvagner> A: Unfortunately it is not possible to have a unique certificate for each domain because of SSL protocol limitation. We recommend you to set your client to ignore SSL warnings. 
11:32:32 * pvagner is trying to get their self-signed cert using openssl
11:45:35 <pvagner> I've imported their certificate and still I'm unable to connect no mather which settings I'll choose.
11:45:59 <pvagner> I know they are even using old-style ssl on port 5223 but I am unable to get it working with that either.
11:46:36 <pvagner> In fact I've tried every combination of ssl settings on the advanced tab settings for that account.
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11:47:33 <pvagner> with some verry old instantbird 0.3 pre from januarry 2010 I was able to connect to that service with no problems.
11:48:51 <clokep_work> Yes, we were not properly checking all SSL certificates then. I believe there's a hidden preference that will do what they suggest (ignoring SSL warnings).
11:50:17 <pvagner> oh btw guys sorry this sounds more like I am here just for complaining. but in fact I don't want to sound like that. I'm watching instantbird development from the verry begining and I like it because of its built-in accessibility features. I even like how you are handling timestamps in the conversation windows eventhough I'm blind and can't take advantage of visual effects.
11:51:50 <pvagner> clokep_work: Maybe you've missed what I was doing while you've been on your way to work.... I've also manually grabbed their cert using openssl and imported that into the instantbird.
11:52:57 <pvagner> this is the exact error message I'm getting in the accounts window
11:52:58 <pvagner> Error: SSL Handshake Failed
11:56:21 <clokep_work> pvagner: I read the log. :) I don't know the answer though. :( Sorry. You'll need to wait for flo to come back.
11:56:25 <clokep_work> (And thanks for the kind words!)
12:04:09 <pvagner> Im now connected
12:05:48 <clokep_work> Ah, how?
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12:09:58 <pvagner> Ive changed two options in the about:config...
12:10:00 <pvagner> security.ssl.allow_unrestricted_renego_everywhere__temporarily_available_pref user set boolean true
12:10:09 <pvagner> purple.ssl.check_certificates user set boolean false
12:11:13 <pvagner> I'm not sure the first one I've changed is necessary but it does work now.
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12:14:47 <flo> I've no idea of what the first pref do. The second pref reverts to our old SSL behavior (= not checking the certificates)
12:15:20 <pvagner> Are there two lists in the main window one with lists of contacts and the other list? or is it just some possible accessibility related issue?
12:15:39 <flo> the other list is for conversations on hold
12:16:10 <pvagner> flo: oh thanks
12:16:39 <flo> It should probably not be "accessible" when it's empty though (we hide it and its header when it's empty)
12:18:02 <pvagner> flo: This is a bit tricky to explain but I'll try anyway...
12:18:42 <pvagner> Each contact list item is made up of several other objects e.g. the name, the status message. There are also buttons inside.
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12:19:48 <pvagner> Now when I am reading the list of contacts i am getting something like....
12:20:12 <pvagner> Florian Start a conversation Available Expand I'm here and this is my status
12:21:04 <pvagner> So the underlying toolkit creates the name for the list item from its children.
12:22:10 <pvagner> Since these buttons inside are not focusable and their functionality is available using keyboard shortcuts. Would it be doable to try to tweak this somehow so these buttons would be excluded from the item's accessible text?
12:22:25 <flo> uh, that's probably not what you want to hear when you select a contact :(
12:22:32 <flo> yes, we should do that! :)
12:24:31 <pvagner> flo: again about the empty conversation list. It's hidden but strangely enough it can still receive the focus. E.G. while the buddy list has the focus you can press shift+tab and you will land in that list which is not visible so you won't be able to observe that using your sight.
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12:26:27 <pvagner> flo: Can you think about a way on how to do that thingy with buddy list items or does it need a research?
12:26:35 <flo> pvagner: I've noticed that focus handling is a bit broken or at least... surprising, in that window. Especially around the status and display name selectors
12:28:17 <pvagner> flo: yes regarding those selectors it's because there are links inside buttons. At least it's how it appears to me. Both buttons and links are focusable. To make it consistent only one of them should be focusable perhaps.
12:28:30 <flo> it's possible we just need to add a label property, like we did for the accounts in the account manager. I'm not sure though, so it's probably a good idea to file a bug anyway :)
12:29:26 <pvagner> flo: ah not sorry. Discard that last commend about the status / status message / display name selectors.
12:29:53 <flo> links inside buttons, hmms. There are no links, but there's an image (or is it a button?) that is clickable, and to indicate that when it is hovered we change the pointer to the hand (like the pointer for links)
12:30:14 <pvagner> It's working fine for me. There is a dropdown button which opens the status menu on press and there are two links which expand an edit field to type the status message / display name into on press. That's ok I think.
12:31:18 <flo> well, I'm glad you manager to use it :).
12:32:04 <flo> without an accessibility tool telling what has the focus, that UI is almost impossible to use with the keyboard.
12:34:01 <pvagner> flo: looking at the accounts list in the account manager it looks the same way like contact list but the item label is correctly overridden. The problem in the account manager is that the error text and reconnecting stuff is no longer associated with the item. Would it be doable to add that as a description? Hopefully I am not mixing something I believe xul has label and description properties...
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12:35:02 <flo> if I remember correctly, the accessible description is not a property, we can only set it as an attribute, which is painful to do. I think we filed a mozilla bug to get that fixed.
12:35:20 <FeuerFliege> hello
12:35:46 <FeuerFliege> I think I found a bug.
12:36:00 <FeuerFliege> Can someone try it out?
12:36:27 <FeuerFliege> Select a contact which uses more than one IM protocol
12:37:12 <FeuerFliege> press the left cursor (more info will be shown) 
12:37:41 <FeuerFliege> try to minimize the contact with the mouse
12:38:01 <FeuerFliege> the contact will just disappear 
12:39:25 <FeuerFliege> I have to restart instantbird. brb
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12:39:48 <FeuerFliege> re :)
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12:41:36 <clokep_work> FeuerFliege: Bah I think I saw that too but I couldn't figure out how to reproduce it and thought I was crazy. :(
12:41:57 <FeuerFliege> I will take some screenshots and file a bug
12:43:27 <clokep_work> Doesn't pressing "right" show more info though?
12:44:58 <FeuerFliege> clokep_work: ups, er … I meant the “other” left ^^
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12:48:24 <pvagner> Does instantbird handle typing notifications if a protocol supports it?
12:54:22 <flo> pvagner: yes
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12:56:02 <flo> FeuerFliege: I can't reproduce.
12:58:37 <flo> do we want to change the IRC default "real name" from "purple" to "instantbird" before the release?
13:03:52 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1066 filed by do.not.deliver@gmx.de.
13:03:53 <instantbot> do.not.deliver@gmx.de added attachment 873 to bug 1066.
13:03:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1066 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Collapsing contact info in buddy list with mouse will hide the contact
13:04:28 <FeuerFliege> hey, my first bug without killing instantbot!
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13:09:13 <FeuerFliege> flo: I can reproduce in safe mode. Contact doesn’t even need to be connected with multiple protocols, one is sufficient.
13:10:08 <FeuerFliege> Select contact, press right key, try to collapse detailed info with mouse → contact disappears.
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13:33:27 <v17al> Just found another bug as well
13:34:38 <v17al> On a facebook contact, click the contact, then click the expand button, and mouse your cursor away from the contact. The chat icon stays there until you move your mouse back on top of the contact
13:47:03 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1067 filed by mattdentremont@gmail.com.
13:47:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1067 min, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Chat Icon Remains After Expand is Pressed
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14:08:46 <flo> assuming others can reproduce bug 1066, it's possible that selecting before collapsing or collapsing before selecting the contact doesn't have the same effect. (and we would be in a different case on Mac OS because of the click on mousedown / click on mouse up difference)
14:08:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1066 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Collapsing contact info in buddy list with mouse will hide the contact
14:13:16 <v17al> flo: I'm trying to reproduce, however I can't seem to find that collapse button. I see from the attached picture in the bug that it is labelled 'online', and I was wondering if that is something special to ICQ contacts, or maybe I just don't have enough contacts to have this pop up
14:14:03 <flo> "collapse" is just the opposite of "expand" ;)
14:14:51 <v17al> I'm not seeing the collapse/expand functionality seen in the bug image
14:15:19 <flo> select the contact first
14:15:35 <FeuerFliege> v17al: no its not labled ‚online‘ it is just in the same line. It is the arrow ∨ = expand and ∧ = collapse
14:15:42 <v17al> Ooh, I am silly
14:16:06 <v17al> It looked different to me since I don't have contact in multiple protocols
14:16:46 <v17al> I thought the "Online -" thing was separating online contacts with other types. I cannot reproduce this
14:17:58 <v17al> I will add that I caught 1067 while originally trying to reproduce, so there is definitely something broken there
14:18:21 <FeuerFliege> did you expanded the list by pressing the right cursor key and after that you have to use the mouse to collapse the info. Collapsing with keyboard works as it should
14:18:33 <FeuerFliege> i have to go.
14:18:38 <FeuerFliege> good evening!
14:19:33 <v17al> I should read more next time :S; with the right cursor I am able to reproduce, sorry for the confusion
14:20:16 <FeuerFliege> ok, thanks for reproducing!
14:20:18 <FeuerFliege> bye
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14:21:49 <instantbot> mattdentremont@gmail.com added attachment 874 to bug 1066.
14:21:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1066 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Collapsing contact info in buddy list with mouse will hide the contact
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14:33:54 <Mic> Can anyone expand contacts using the mouse?
14:34:09 <flo> why not?
14:34:15 <Mic> On the latest nightly of course
14:34:28 <Mic> because it's not working for me any more.
14:44:58 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1068 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
14:45:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1068 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Can expand contacts by clicking the downward arrow
14:46:30 <Mic> Sorry for the bugspam .. obviously the summary was wrong :(
14:50:31 <flo> Mic: how close are we from something we can ship in bug 979?
14:50:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=979 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix look for "Hidden conversations" /"Contacts" contact list sections and their headers
14:51:23 <Mic> I'll attach a patch later today. 'm just not sure if you agree
14:51:30 <Mic> *I'm
14:52:06 <Mic> Or maybe right away: should I add the spacer on all system or only on Windows where it is needed for the Aero look?
14:53:38 <Mic> (the one that I need to add below the lists to style the remaining part of the window with the same background as the lists above it?)
14:53:47 <flo> on some OSes it may be nice to not have it, so that we can resize the window to the size it really needs automatically. But I assume if an add-on wants to do that, adding a display:none to that spacer wouldn't be difficult.
14:53:56 <flo> So having it on all OSes seems ok to me
14:54:21 <Mic> OK
14:55:41 <Mic> bbl
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17:33:40 <aleth> I can confirm bug 1068
17:33:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1068 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Can not expand contacts by clicking the downward arrow
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19:01:36 <clokep_work> Bah lots of bugs all of a sudden with the contact list. :(
19:02:26 <Mook_as> clokep_work: feel free to close bug 628 or whatever; I don't have access at work :)
19:02:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628 nor, --, 1.1a1, florian, RESO FIXED, Unable to accept IRC invite
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19:02:57 <Mook_as> oh. err, which every bug it was I was thinking about then, since _that_ one is already closed!
19:03:40 <Mook_as> ... or.. actually, never mind me, that was the bug I was thinking of, I just didn't notice the state change in the email. sigh.
19:04:26 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Yeah, I took care of it. :) Some of the stuff we'll want to pull out of that bug when we support querying the user for invites, but the initial bug is closed. :)
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