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Neither with firefox 9 nor with ie 9 08:11:29 <Mic> OK, maybe that's the difference. I'm using Fx7 here. 08:18:31 <instantbot> New Websites - hg.instantbird.org (Mercurial/hgweb) bug 1064 filed by benediktp@ymail.com. 08:18:32 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 871 to bug 1064. 08:18:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1064 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Locale overview not working in IE9 08:19:11 <Mic> FeuerFliege, can you comment there about Fx9? I can't check myself. 08:21:09 <Mic> Can you have a look at the error console? The colored table on my Fx7 screenshot is generated using JavaScript, that's why this could be interesting. 08:25:27 <FeuerFliege> no errors in the console :( 08:34:28 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 08:35:00 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 08:35:03 <-- Mic has quit (sand.mozilla.org gravel.mozilla.org) 08:35:03 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (sand.mozilla.org gravel.mozilla.org) 08:35:03 <-- Even has quit (sand.mozilla.org gravel.mozilla.org) 08:35:03 <-- GeekShadow has quit (sand.mozilla.org gravel.mozilla.org) 08:35:06 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:35:06 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 08:35:06 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:35:06 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 08:35:08 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 08:35:21 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 08:36:45 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 08:38:22 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 08:38:28 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 08:39:44 <FeuerFliege> Mic: re: SSL: freenode WFM at first, but now it is throwing me the error you mentioned in bug 1063 08:39:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1063 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "SSL handshake failed" when connecting with SSL. 08:40:13 <FeuerFliege> irc.mozilla.org WFM 08:40:18 <Mic> I changed the settings and it connected first but refused to connect later 08:40:41 <Mic> Looked like a glitch to me but if you saw that too 08:41:44 <Mic> It didn't work with irc.mozila.org at all though. 08:42:56 <FeuerFliege> I use the latest via update, too (Version 1.1a1pre (20111010041627)) 08:43:30 <FeuerFliege> freenode works again. I use port 6697 for both mozilla and freenode. 08:43:56 <FeuerFliege> But I am not sure it is a instantbird bug 08:44:27 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 08:46:21 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 08:47:44 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 08:48:05 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 09:06:34 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 09:09:41 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 09:09:51 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 09:09:53 --> chrisccoulson_ has joined #instantbird 09:10:33 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 09:14:17 --> flo has joined #instantbird 09:14:17 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:14:34 <flo> hello :) 09:16:37 <FeuerFliege> hi 09:17:13 <FeuerFliege> your l10n color code page fails for ie 7/8/9 and fx 9 09:17:30 <FeuerFliege> but I can read the text info, so that is ok for me 09:17:40 <FeuerFliege> Mic filed bug 1064 09:17:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1064 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Locale overview not working in IE9 09:17:47 <flo> Mic: can you connect to MSN or google talk? 09:21:46 <-- chrisccoulson_ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 09:22:15 <Mic> flo: I've got neither MSN nor Google Talk but I tried with my gmx.net / web.de XMPP accounts and they give similar handshake errors (they were set to "Require encryption" before and were working (at least a while ago, I don't use them normally)) 09:23:48 <aleth> flo: I have a failed SSL handshake connecting to XMPP since the last nightly. I believe you were expecting cases of something like this? 09:25:44 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 09:25:51 <flo> expecting may be a bit strong, but yeah, I knew there was a possibility of breaking things :-/ 09:26:09 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 09:26:28 <flo> so, the NSS error codes are defined in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/nsprpub/pr/include/prerr.h 09:27:02 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Client exited) 09:27:14 <flo> Mic, on freenode you had -5938, which is PR_END_OF_FILE_ERROR 09:27:39 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 09:29:19 <aleth> flo: it's a CAcert certificate 09:29:23 <aleth> if that helps 09:29:33 <flo> ok, so yours is probably expected to fail 09:30:24 <flo> does it work if you add the CAcert root CA from the preference window? 09:32:28 <aleth> yes 09:33:19 <flo> :) 09:33:26 <flo> so you have the expected behavior 09:33:28 <Mic> I've got -12276 on both web.de and gmx.net 09:35:44 <aleth> flo: so this means IB doesn't fetch certificates automatically and ask the user to confirm? 09:36:12 <aleth> Btw my jabber server says Adium on OSX also has this behaviour and needs the root cert ;) 09:36:36 <flo> aleth: it means Mozilla doesn't trust CAcert 09:36:59 <aleth> flo: So really this is a bugfix :) 09:37:09 <aleth> It should have complained all along 09:37:13 <flo> yes 09:37:19 <flo> it was a scary security issue 09:37:52 <flo> but I would like to have an explanation for the collection of various error codes Mic is seeing. 09:39:36 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Client exited) 09:39:41 <aleth> I only see the expected handshake failed errors\ 09:39:42 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 09:41:52 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 09:45:25 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:45:26 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 09:48:34 <aleth> Hmm, was CAcert the authority that was compromised recently? 09:49:06 <flo> no 09:49:23 <aleth> Good :) 09:49:23 <flo> CAcert has just never been trusted 09:50:32 <aleth> The whole certificate system could do with an overhaul imho... it's too impenetrable to the casual user 09:50:51 <aleth> Probably quite easy to get someone to install a certificate too as a consequence 09:51:12 <aleth> Hard to revoke authorities when problems occur 09:53:32 <Mic> Now connecting with SSL to Freenode worked once and failed when I disconnected and tried again (several times) 09:54:00 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 09:54:04 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:54:04 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 09:55:34 <aleth> Mic: new unread counters look nice :) 09:55:50 <flo> Mic: could it be that you have a flaky internet connection? 09:56:27 <flo> it's annoying to have numerical error code rather than a text message :( 09:59:23 <Mic> Here's 12276: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1007 09:59:53 <flo> seems like a good reason to fail ;) 10:00:09 <flo> could it be that some freenode hosts are sending bad certificates? 10:00:40 <Mic> That's not the Freenode error by the way 10:01:04 * flo feels that these errors are being discussed in a completely confusing way :( 10:08:54 <flo> the it locale seems ready too :) 10:10:38 <Mic> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/crm723ibfP 10:10:59 <Mic> I compiled three of the four error I saw .. feel free to add any other 10:11:53 <flo> hmm, you are having a "Mac OS only" error? :-D 10:13:07 <Mic> Yes, great, isn't it? 10:14:41 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:14:41 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:15:51 <clokep> FeuerFliege: Mic I actually don't see colors either in Fx 10. 10:16:56 <Mic> I guess there's more missing than just colors? 10:17:09 <Mic> DId you see the screenshot of how it looks on Fx7? 10:17:59 <flo> clokep: can you try again? I've just removed a possible cause of failure. 10:18:17 <clokep> flo: WFM. 10:18:34 <flo> cool :) 10:18:53 <flo> can someone now check again in IE? (even though I don't care much about that page being broken in IE :-D) 10:20:20 <Mic> It doesn't work with IE9 10:20:34 <clokep> fyi: I've occasionally had handshake errors w/ both Mozilla and Freenode over the past week. 10:20:36 <flo> is there an error? 10:21:07 <Mic> Yes, give me a second 10:21:44 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1008 10:21:53 <Mic> Object doesn't support method addEventListener.. 10:22:04 <flo> ah, IE... 10:22:42 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 10:22:55 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:22:55 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 10:23:48 <flo> Mic: try again? :) 10:25:45 <Mic> No error but no table either 10:26:32 <clokep> Alright so moznet connected fine for me after an update, but GTalk and LiveJournal are not connecting. 10:27:26 <clokep> (And they have the handshake failed error.) 10:28:16 <flo> which one? 10:28:49 <clokep> -12276 for gtalk 10:32:32 <-- aleth has left #instantbird () 10:36:29 <clokep> And LiveJournal it times out, tries the next SRV record and then gets a -12276 10:37:49 <clokep> Although I don't really care about that one. ;) 10:37:50 <flo> that's the BAD_CERT_DOMAIN error. It would be nice to have somewhere in the log the domain received and the domain that was expected 10:38:13 <clokep> Freenode is working fine and moznet is working fine though. I wouldn't be surprised if Freenode doesn't work with certain servers though. 10:39:01 <flo> I wouldn't be surprised either if libpurple didn't check against the right name ;) 10:39:16 <flo> http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/locales-status.html is quite green now :) 10:39:37 <flo> only pl still needs an update before we can ship 10:40:25 <clokep> Are the colored ones the ones we've shipped before? 10:40:40 <clokep> Or just ones that are "close"? 10:40:41 <flo> no 10:41:02 <flo> white is < 80% of strings different from en-US. 10:41:38 <flo> I may need to special case en-GB and en-CA if we ever have them ;) 10:43:23 <clokep> Right. :) 10:43:24 <flo> we will probably ship sv-SE and et which weren't shipped for 1.0. 10:44:13 <flo> et is red, but the missing strings are all libpurple strings that aren't going to be very visible 10:50:16 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 10:51:01 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 11:10:03 <Mic> flo: what's the plan for tonights IRC meeting? 11:10:45 <Mic> Do you have a list of topics that you'd like to discuss? 11:29:52 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 11:34:12 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:34:12 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep_work 11:37:35 <clokep_work> We should probably make a wiki page, but I'm not exactly sure of the form we want. ;) 12:21:59 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 12:23:01 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 12:24:26 --> flo has joined #instantbird 12:24:26 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 12:25:19 <flo> Mic: isn't the list of topics already in the email I sent yesterday? 12:35:55 --> jb has joined #instantbird 12:36:56 <clokep_work> I made a page for the meetings I guess @ https://wiki.instantbird.org/Weekly_Meetings but not one in particular for this meeting since I'm not sure it's necessary or not? 12:38:21 <flo> I don't know. The process will probably improve over time anyway :) 12:39:24 <clokep_work> Right. It's unnecessary to have a blog post + a wiki page with the summary I feel like...but if someone were to miss a meeting they need a place to put what's up, so... ;) 12:39:49 <clokep_work> Could just put up a link to an etherpad that people could use, then summarize / clean it into a blog post. 12:48:33 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 12:58:47 <clokep_work> Also, FYI I believe today is a holiday in the US & Canada. So great day to start these. ;) 13:02:45 --> iLobster has joined #instantbird 13:03:04 <iLobster> Greetings 13:04:07 <clokep_work> Hello. 13:06:57 <iLobster> About gtalk connect issue - i have read today's logs but do not understand anything, there is something about certificates? Do i need to wait for next/next-next nightly or i can do some "config" magik by myself? 13:07:43 <flo> iLobster: "i have read today's logs but do not understand anything" I think we are all at this point ;). 13:15:04 <flo> It would be nice to know more though :-/ 13:29:17 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 13:33:59 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 13:53:35 <-- iLobster has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 13:57:38 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 14:11:08 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 14:32:05 <-- ecaron has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 14:43:22 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 14:56:47 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 15:02:42 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:04:25 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 15:28:44 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 15:36:25 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 15:43:24 <-- igorko has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:43:31 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 15:55:35 <clokep_work> Meeting in five then? Right? 15:55:53 <flo> yes 15:57:54 <flo> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/instantbird-weekly-meeting-20111010 16:01:56 <flo> Ok, it's time I think :) 16:01:58 <clokep_work> Can everyone enter their names please? :) 16:07:20 <flo> It seems next week we can call that an etherpad meeting ;) 16:07:23 <clokep_work> I assume we're still using this for chat and not the etherpad chat thing? 16:08:05 <ecaron> I'm monitoring both, I think using IRC would make the most sense. 16:08:51 <clokep_work> I agree, especially since it's logged. 16:09:55 <flo> for next week we should probably prepare the pad way ealier, and keep the meeting for discussions, have people ask questions 16:10:36 <clokep_work> Yes. :( Amateur hour over here. ;) 16:12:35 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 16:15:07 <flo> these questions don't seem to work well. The same topics end up being covered in several places 16:16:39 <-- Andrey has quit (Quit: ) 16:17:15 <flo> hmm, should probably bring that Amazon discussion here 16:17:38 <flo> currently we already have Amazon in our search engine context menu, and requests contain the affiliate tag. 16:18:28 <clokep_work> OK. :) The extension is more for people who /always/ want it to be an affiliate, which may be against the ToS I guess? 16:18:35 <flo> As far as I know, nobody has used that search engine to actually buy something 16:19:08 <flo> our amazon affiliate account has currently earned ~10euros, and I'm almost sure that's only from idechix and me using hand crafted links when we were about to buy something 16:19:11 <clokep_work> I will now that I know it's there. :-D 16:19:38 <flo> well, the UI for that isn't discoverable enough 16:19:47 <ecaron> I had no idea it existed. 16:20:21 <flo> we need a good compromise between "easy to discover" and "avoid it being perceived as ads". We are currently way to far on the latter ;). 16:21:59 <clokep_work> Could possibly do a feature blog entry about it to get it a little more use? 16:22:12 <flo> questions: when can we ship? What's our communication plan for the release? 16:22:55 <flo> clokep_work: honnestly, I've never used it myself, it's easier to hand craft the links with the affiliate ids :-D. So it's really a poor UI that needs some work to become effective. 16:23:04 <clokep_work> flo: If we're not waiting for localizations I'd say we should ship Thursday. 16:23:31 <flo> so, let's see what's left to do: 16:23:50 <clokep_work> Although I'm unsure what we want to do about this SSL issue. 16:23:55 <flo> - all website changes (including inserting paypal links? a release is a good time to request donations) 16:24:27 <flo> - figure out how serious that SSL issue is / if we need some fixes or to back-out, or to add a workaround. 16:24:50 <flo> (a workaround could be to add a hidden pref to revert to the previous behaviors for users having issues) 16:25:12 <flo> I don't really mind people having issues with strange configurations of IRC and XMPP servers. 16:25:16 <clokep_work> ecaron: The new blog looks great btw. :) 16:25:30 <clokep_work> I don't care about random IRC/XMPP users as much as being unable to connect to GTalk personally. :( 16:25:31 <flo> The people failing to connect to Gtalk scare me though. 16:26:53 <clokep_work> Is it possible different servers are giving different certs? (Maybe based on country?) 16:26:54 <flo> Once website changes are ready, we need to let some time for localizers to localize the release notes. 16:27:09 <flo> It's possible different users have different configurations 16:28:20 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 16:28:20 <flo> It would be nice to know for all users having trouble connecting to gtalk: if they are using the XMPP or the Gtalk plugin. If they have an @gmail @googlemail or custom hostname after the @ in their JID. 16:28:40 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 16:28:44 <flo> if they have filled something in the "connect server" advanced preference 16:29:32 <clokep_work> We could probably set up a quick list to do that afterward. 16:29:38 <clokep_work> AFAIK Only Mic and I were having it though? 16:29:47 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 16:29:54 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 16:33:58 <flo> "What's our communication plan for the release?" 16:34:01 <flo> just a blog post? 16:34:12 <flo> or do we want to blog *before* the release about major new features? 16:34:27 <flo> or do we want to blog several times after the release to show how cool 1.1 is? 16:34:53 <flo> who's taking care of that? 16:35:14 <flo> The new blog Eric has worked on should make it easy for non-me people to contribute to the blog ;) 16:35:29 <clokep_work> Before would be nice I think, but it depends how quickly we want to get it out. 16:35:42 <clokep_work> When will the new blog considered the "protection" blog? 16:35:46 <clokep_work> s/protection/production 16:35:47 <flo> we need at least a day to test release candidates 16:36:28 <flo> as soon as I'm sure the new feed will interact correctly with planet mozilla, we can change the hostname. 16:36:58 <flo> it would be nice to switch asap (ideally before posting anything more) so as to not duplicate the posting work 16:37:07 <clokep_work> My thoughts exactly. :) 16:37:27 <flo> ah, we also need to check that it works well with our homepage 16:37:41 <clokep_work> I could probably do a post or two, what features are we looking to highlight? Hidden conversations + the new Twitter UI? 16:37:49 <flo> although the update there seems currently broken anyway 16:38:01 <flo> Conversations on Hold 16:38:26 <flo> interruption manager (with a list of good add-ons, including those I haven't created yet, like the spam blocker and the "do not disturb me" add-on) 16:38:55 <flo> and usable twitter (we can maybe talk about the tab completion and nick tooltips for IRC in the same post) 16:41:08 <-- igorko has quit (Ping timeout) 16:41:48 <clokep_work> That sounds like enough probably. 16:42:14 <flo> other changes are probably details that don't deserve more than a line in the release notes 16:43:22 <clokep_work> I agree. 16:44:35 <flo> I'm still wondering if Thursday is a realistic target 16:44:52 <clokep_work> Next week is probably more realistic if we want to translate release notes. 16:44:57 <clokep_work> We need those done ASAP though. 16:45:53 <flo> the end of next week will be eaten by travel for me 16:46:07 <flo> as I'm going to the Google Summer of code mentor summit 16:46:25 <clokep_work> Ah, nice. Is that for just a few days or a long period of time? 16:46:54 <flo> just the week-end. october 22 and 23. 16:47:01 <flo> So flights on the 21st and 24th. 16:48:09 <clokep_work> So you'd prefer to do it right after that then? 16:48:18 <flo> before! 16:48:30 <flo> we want to start working on 1.2 :) 16:48:45 <clokep_work> :) OK! target the 17th/18th? 16:48:45 <flo> we are more or less stuck doing nothing interesting until 1.1 is out 16:49:43 <flo> sounds ok. 16:50:01 <flo> do we want to spend time emailing journalists/news websites, or is that just a total waste of time? 16:50:37 <clokep_work> I think it's mostly a waste of time. :-/ The ones I emailed at least I got no response from and the story seemed to be picked up eventually...but not in relation to my email. 16:51:17 <flo> or maybe we should try to engage with them differently? Twitter? 16:51:23 <flo> I'm really not sure :-S 16:52:08 <clokep_work> ecaron: Do you have any ideas, you seem to be savvy at this? :) 16:52:53 <-- waynenguyen has left #instantbird () 16:55:01 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 16:56:15 <clokep_work> We could also discuss this further next week. 16:56:40 <flo> next week meeting will be a release party if we keep the release target ;) 16:56:54 <flo> is there anything else we need to discuss? 16:58:07 <clokep_work> (Or does anyone have questions?) 17:01:26 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 17:03:42 <clokep_work> I think we're all set then. :) Hopefully we'll be more organized next time! :) 17:03:55 <flo> yes, thanks :) 17:04:05 <flo> I think next time it would be better to organize by topic 17:04:45 <flo> what about having someone who "doesn't know yet" ask questions, until the things are clear in his mind, and then write them down in the pad? 17:08:07 <clokep_work> That could work well. It should help once they're weekly and we'll have less to say too. ;) 17:28:31 --> jb has joined #instantbird 17:43:46 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1065 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm. 17:43:47 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm added attachment 872 to bug 1065. 17:43:48 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from the wind for attachment 872 on bug 1065. 17:43:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1065 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Remove unnecessary borders from message area 17:46:17 <clokep_work> aleth: Do you have the full source tree downloaded or are your patches just from an unpacked omni.jar? 17:46:53 <aleth> clokep_work: These are just from an unpacked omni.jar, unfortunately I can't install a full development environment at the moment. Sorry! 17:47:17 <clokep_work> aleth: Alright, I was just wondering the full path to the files. ;) 17:47:37 <clokep_work> In general though I'd think you can just delete things instead of commenting them out. 17:48:48 <aleth> Yes, that's bad style when submitting a patch (along with the slightly inefficient use of bugzilla). I will learn... 17:49:57 <clokep_work> It's ok. :) Just that we won't want the commented out code in the final code, so just removing it is OK (especially since when you do a diff, it shows what as removed!) 17:51:22 <aleth> Yup :) It's a hangover from being cautious due to hacking essentially a live program, rather than having version control etc 17:52:04 <aleth> Also it is extra work for you anyway as the line numbers won't necessarily match those of the original source files I suppose 17:52:57 <clokep_work> If there are ifdefs, yeah. 17:53:15 <clokep_work> But That shouldn't be too bad. You could always make your changes to omni.jar stuff, test them out and port them to a repo. 17:53:57 <aleth> I didn't because while I can test the omni.jar, I can't test changes made to a repo of the full source 17:55:42 <aleth> Fairly soon I should be on my own machine again anyway ;) But those little details were nagging me way out of proportion to their seriousness so I was impatient 17:56:09 <-- igorko has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:56:11 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 17:56:26 <flo> back later :) 17:56:28 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 17:57:38 <clokep_work> Ah, good news. :) 18:00:59 <clokep_work> aleth: Do you know if any of those changes affect /other/ themes? You say the border is only in some themes... 18:01:17 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 18:02:47 <aleth> clokep_work: In the screenshot, you can see they are visible in both the KDE and gnome2 default themes. However it was you who mentioned yesterday you couldn't see it on Windows ;) 18:03:32 <aleth> And I think on Linux, depending on your OS theme and its colors/scrollbars etc you might not notice the borders because the theme will draw a line there anyway. 18:04:15 <clokep_work> Also to improve your Bugzilla foo: you can say things like "attachment 123" and it'll be linked automatically. 18:04:32 <aleth> Regarding the other "bugs", e.g. the patch that was accepted yesterday for the tab strip line, you would not notice that on an ubuntu dark theme because the tab strip background would be dark, providing contrast 18:04:34 <clokep_work> (The attachment IDs are in the URL.) 18:04:47 <aleth> Thanks, that's good to know 18:05:29 <clokep_work> Ah-ha, on Windows...the border is INSIDE the scrollbar I think. So it looks good (it offsets the conversation from the UI), but on linux it seems to be OUTSIDE the scrollbar which looks funny. 18:27:45 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 18:39:23 <-- mmkmou has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 18:40:13 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 18:50:37 <-- ecaron has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 18:51:17 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 18:57:13 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 18:58:46 <-- ecaron has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 18:59:35 --> flo has joined #instantbird 18:59:35 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:00:01 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 19:02:19 <-- mokush has quit (Client exited) 19:03:19 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied!  :: core-networks.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 19:05:52 <flo> aleth: the problem with these borders are their color. 19:06:13 <flo> they are supposed to look identical to the borders of the participants list 19:06:37 <flo> with your GTK theme it's pretty obviously not the case :-( 19:07:17 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 19:07:35 <flo> with the theme on your third screenshot on https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=864, they are more likely to look ok (well, you have removed them before taking the screenshot of course) 19:09:34 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 19:09:48 <-- vicnet has quit (Ping timeout) 19:30:29 <-- igorko has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:31:13 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 19:39:47 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 19:46:30 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 19:53:15 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 19:56:44 --> jb has joined #instantbird 20:03:24 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 20:03:31 <DGMurdockIII> hey 20:05:24 <aleth> flo: The problem with matching the border of the participant list is that, as you can see for example for the KDE example, it would be more involved than merely matching the colour. 20:05:56 <aleth> But I can take another gnome2 screenshot if you like to check 20:06:06 <DGMurdockIII> ii haveing problem connect google talk 20:06:12 <aleth> (Can't do gnome3 unfortunately) 20:06:32 <DGMurdockIII> error ssl handshake failed 20:07:54 <DGMurdockIII> Error: Handshake failed (-12276) 20:07:55 <DGMurdockIII> Source File: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/raw-file/f5ee39dc2b13/purple/libpurple/ssl-nss.c 20:07:55 <DGMurdockIII> Line: 342 20:07:55 <DGMurdockIII> Source Code: 20:07:55 <DGMurdockIII> nss: ssl_nss_handshake_cb 20:09:55 --> flo has joined #instantbird 20:09:55 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 20:11:00 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: Yes, it's caused by a check-in we made yesterday. We're trying to figure out a way forward. 20:12:44 <flo> so, I just had a long phone conversation with Even. We discussed (and I think we understood) the Gtalk issue and the changes we want to make on our servers in the next few months :). 20:15:09 <clokep_work> Whoa, you guys use the phone?! 20:15:28 <flo> apparently. 20:15:31 <clokep_work> ;) That's good though! 20:16:04 <flo> and my phone apparently doesn't have enough bandwidth to keep my internet + the voice stream active at the same time :-D 20:18:03 <clokep_work> Yeah...that happened to me last time I tried to use Bing maps at the same time as being on the phone. :( 20:18:20 <flo> summary of the desired server changes: use the fast servers to set up virtual machines there. Install quickly a VM containing a dump of the existing slow server. Then in the future, reinstall each service in a separate VM. As all VMs will be separate, giving full access to people wanting to administrate new services shouldn't be a problem (as opposed to the current mess for wordpress) 20:19:22 <flo> change the update system to take into account the new rapid release cycles, and simplify it and the release process as much as possible, so that in the future I may no longer be the only person with enough knowledge of our tools to be able to actually release. 20:20:16 <DGMurdockIII> is there a way for me to fix it 20:20:24 <DGMurdockIII> i would like to use it 20:20:59 <flo> DGMurdockIII: if you want to make it work right now, delete your Google Talk account and recreate it as an XMPP account. 20:23:07 <DGMurdockIII> what settings do i put in 20:23:15 <flo> nothing special 20:25:36 <DGMurdockIII> got it 20:26:02 <clokep_work> (o_O) Shouldn't those use the exact same code path? 20:26:54 <flo> It seems the pl locale will be ready very soon 20:26:59 <flo> only 1 missing string left :) 20:27:49 <flo> clokep_work: the behavior of Google servers seems to have changed from the last time I looked at these certificates. 20:28:07 <flo> apparently now it sends the gmail.com certificates when connecting an @gmail.com account, even when connecting to talk.google.com 20:28:49 <flo> the talk.google.com certificate is still sent when connecting a Google talk for Google Apps account (like florian@instantbird.fr) 20:29:17 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 20:30:19 <clokep_work> Ah, I see. 20:37:36 <-- jb has left #instantbird () 20:39:22 --> jb has joined #instantbird 20:44:17 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 21:01:23 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 21:04:25 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 21:08:30 --> jb has joined #instantbird 21:15:26 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 21:19:24 <-- ecaron has quit (Ping timeout) 21:22:09 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 21:22:35 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 21:31:13 <-- hunsly has quit (Ping timeout) 21:48:18 --> ecaron has joined #instantbird 22:18:35 --> jb has joined #instantbird 22:26:51 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/31611ff1d12b - Florian Quèze - Add a hidden pref to restore the previous SSL behavior. 22:26:52 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/d6ee284f7d7f - Florian Quèze - Set the 'connect server' advanced parameter to 'talk.google.com' only for Google Talk for Google Apps accounts. 22:43:37 <flo> Good night :) 22:43:39 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 23:11:02 <-- MattATobin has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:12:33 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 23:13:00 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 23:20:52 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:20:52 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 23:22:00 <-- mmkmou has quit (Ping timeout) 23:23:47 <clokep> So...if you give XMPP no server...what does it use? :P 23:24:36 <-- skeledrew1 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:24:38 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 23:39:57 <-- skeledrew has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:39:59 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 23:57:38 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 23:57:43 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout)