#instantbird log on 09 18 2011

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05:11:30 <ecaron> Anyone still on?
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07:22:33 <MIrk_Eph> Hello!, good morning
07:24:21 <MIrk_Eph> I have a question about Instantbird
07:27:58 <MIrk_Eph> I'm looking for the instantbird 1.0 sources in spanish (es-ES). Anyone can help me? Thank you :)
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08:43:21 <Mad_Maks> MIrk_Eph: http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/es-ES/ ?
08:44:45 <Mad_Maks> http://www.instantbird.com/download-all.html
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15:04:11 <Mic> Could it be that the twitter homepage became completely useless by now?
15:04:37 <Mic> It's not even possible to search for tweets anymore..?!
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16:19:00 <clokep> Mic: Looks pretty useless at this point.
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16:30:16 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 424 to WORKSFORME.
16:30:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=424 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Buddy's status different in buddy list and conversation window when changing from mobile to availabl
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18:56:50 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 832 to bug 848.
18:56:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=848 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Suggesting icon based on icon of logged-in user
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21:33:24 <flo> taken today: http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/patrimoine2011/IMG_1477.JPG :)
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22:04:30 <ecaron> flo: It is hard to believe places like that exist in real life.
22:04:50 <flo> ecaron: it's 3km away from home ;).
22:05:08 <ecaron> There's a K-Mart 3km from my home...
22:05:46 <ecaron> Although I am across the street from a lovely large park. Although its name leaves something to be desired (Purgatory Park)
22:05:48 <flo> it's even harder to believe that the whole visit was supervised actively by the owner, a 90 years old lady!
22:06:18 <ecaron> We should all be so lucky to be that active in 60 years, right?
22:06:52 <flo> she explained the history of that building and of her family, well, she explained as much as it was possible to explain in half an hour
22:07:13 <flo> ecaron: if you like the place, a larger view: http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/patrimoine2011/IMG_1474.JPG
22:07:45 <flo> and the place we visited before, in the nearby city: http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/patrimoine2011/IMG_1448.JPG
22:08:57 <ecaron> Remarkable
22:09:11 <clokep> How old are these places?
22:09:18 <ecaron> Don't suppose one of those cars are yours?
22:09:46 <flo> ecaron: mine is this one: http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie6-20110327/
22:10:17 <ecaron> flo: Nice camera too!
22:10:17 <flo> clokep: ~300 years
22:10:34 <flo> ecaron: it's an old Canon 20D.
22:11:08 <ecaron> beats my HTC Hero as a camera
22:11:13 <clokep> Nice. :) Hard to find buildings that old around here.
22:11:17 <flo> probably not as a phone though
22:11:26 <ecaron> hahaha
22:11:37 <flo> if you like photos: http://www.naturailes.org/
22:12:49 <flo> this is 100 meters from our house: http://www.naturailes.org/c642-sentier-du-laensbergue-a-serques-pas-de-calais.html it's where I go kayaking (obviously with a different weather when I do it :))
22:13:44 <ecaron> Can you tell me that you get a bunch of snow in the winters?
22:14:02 <flo> rarely more than 2-10 days per year
22:14:40 <ecaron> ... I'll let you know when I decide if I don't like you or if I'm just very jealous - ok?
22:14:41 <clokep> I really like this one: http://www.naturailes.org/c362-moulin-de-watten.html
22:16:32 <flo> http://www.naturailes.org/c397-toilette-3.html That picture is somehow related to Instantbird. I spent the afternoon waiting for that rabbit to come in a place where I could take the picture. I was hidden in a tent with the camera, and a laptop to kill time ; I killed time by coding something on Instantbird (before 0.1 was released).
22:18:05 <flo> clokep: I love that place too. It's 7km from home. The AMI really disliked it though. People who live there (and obviously don't travel much) call that place "the mountain". The AMI can't climb it faster than 30km/h
22:18:33 <clokep> Ah, I see.
22:19:03 <flo> ecaron: well. People usually show things that look fantastic and hide what's crappy. You would feel totally differently if I showed pictures of the place where I live during the week, instead of during week-ends.
22:19:19 <flo> But it's too small for it to be possible to take a picture :(.
22:19:48 <ecaron> Fair enough
22:19:51 <flo> there's basically just enough room for a bed, a desk, 2 chairs, and the door.
22:20:02 <flo> (and I'm not kidding)
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22:20:56 <flo> and I feel bad for people who live there because they can't afford anything else :-/.
22:21:55 <flo> (for me it's a choice, I decided that living with very little comfort but having a 5minute walking commute was better than a great place but a commute of an hour and a half both ways).
22:24:06 <clokep> I looked at studios when I moved, but decided they were too small to live in. :-/
22:25:16 <clokep> Although I really like where I live. :) A little far from the subway, but I have a nice view of Boston! If it's clear.
22:25:45 <flo> :)
22:26:26 <ecaron> clokep: Did you feel the earthquake? We were out on vacation at the cape when it happened, but didn't notice it at all.
22:26:35 <clokep> (Well it's nice if I hold up my hand to block the smoke stacks on one side. ;)
22:27:01 <clokep> ecaron: Yes. I felt it at work (although the building is under construction so I assumed it was just that until a friend told me there had been an earthquake).
22:27:52 <ecaron> Can I solicit some blog thoughts?
22:28:12 <clokep> Sure.
22:28:26 <ecaron> What should we do about the comments?
22:28:36 <clokep> The good ones or the bad ones? ;)
22:28:39 <ecaron> Most comment platforms don't offer a "comment title" block
22:28:58 <clokep> You could just put it at the top in bold or something if it doesn't.
22:29:49 <ecaron> I was thinking since we don't have emails (and it'd be a crazy amount of time to fake post all the comments and then adjust their time to correlate to the original post) that we could just append them to the post of the original posts...
22:30:38 <clokep> What order of magnitude of comments are we talking about here?
22:30:52 <ecaron> I was also wondering if we'd prefer FB comments, Intense Debate, Disqus or just thinking about the native comment solution
22:30:59 <ecaron> Probably nearly 200
22:31:22 <flo> ecaron: I'm ok with not importing the titles of the comments.
22:31:47 <flo> what do you mean with "since we don't have emails"?
22:32:19 <ecaron> The email address of the person who did the post.
22:32:21 <flo> and how does it take a "crazy amount of time" to export the content of an SQL table, change a bit the field names and apply it on the new database?
22:32:40 <flo> we sometimes have it
22:32:49 <flo> (if they filled it in the form)
22:33:10 <ecaron> Duh. Sorry. I forgot that you could just dump it.
22:34:12 <ecaron> Could you give me a dump of the table and then I'll work on porting that? And are you open to contemplating a comment solution that doesn't have titles for comments?
22:34:18 <flo> I don't know how you got all the posts without the content of the table by the way. Did you wget all post ids in a loop and parsed the HTML?
22:34:35 <flo> titles are usually useless
22:35:42 <ecaron> I ported them by hand. Building the scraper & setting up all the WP related tabes would've taken about 90 minutes, and copy/pasting took about 60 and gave me a better familiarity to all the content and the evolution
22:36:56 <flo> if it was an opportunity to read them, I guess it was interesting
22:37:06 <flo> otherwise, that was a quite tedious task
22:37:10 <flo> (we could export them too ;))
22:38:42 <ecaron> The easiest part of it was that the images directory allowed browsing, so i just did a wget and then setup a htaccess rule
22:39:01 <ecaron> I originally thought that I'd have to re-upload them all one at a time (which would've been awful)
22:39:14 <ecaron> flo: So you'll email me a dump of the comments table?
22:40:15 <flo> well, you could also have asked for a tarball of the folder ;)
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22:41:09 <flo> apparently there are 266 non-spam comments
22:41:15 <ecaron> True, I'm trying to minimize any inconvenience I'd cause if I have a way around it.
22:42:52 <flo> hmm, what's a quick way to export an SQL table when phpmyadmin isn't installed on the server?
22:42:54 <ecaron> I know you haven't had much time to look at it, but any parts of it looks subpar?
22:43:03 <ecaron> You have commandline access?
22:43:27 <flo> hmm, mysqldump I guess
22:43:32 <ecaron> mysqldump /database/ /table/ > out.sql
22:43:42 <ecaron> slashes just for effect
22:44:02 <flo> ecaron: is there any reason for the custom font of the website to not be used?
22:44:45 <ecaron> It isn't?
22:44:49 <flo> in the menu on the right side, I think I would prefer if the tags could be listed before the months with posts in the archive.
22:45:12 <flo> it wasn't when I loaded your link this morning. I don't know if it has changed
22:45:17 <ecaron> Sure, that's no problem at all - just drag&drop via the admin
22:45:55 <ecaron> I don't have it for all text (like links on the right-side), you want 100% in Sacco-Vanzetti Instantbird?
22:46:52 <flo> I think it's on the post titles that it's very visible that the font is not what we have elsewhere
22:48:01 <flo> it seems a bit strange to me that the home page doesn't display the full text of the newest post.
22:48:07 <flo> not sure how others feel about it
22:48:11 <ecaron> ok, headlines aren't doing it - i'll look at the dom
22:49:14 <ecaron> as far as the full text, that's 100% controllable via the editor. i put a break in it - manually - based on what i thought was a logical point
22:49:21 <clokep> I don't feel super strongly about the home page not having a full post on it, personally.
22:49:40 <clokep> Having the dates archive is really nice. :)
22:50:01 <ecaron> flo: Do you have any analytics on the current site? It'd be nice to know how full/partial posts impact readership
22:50:33 <flo> I don't.
22:51:17 <ecaron> Would you oppose Google Analytics being embedded on the site going forward?
22:51:32 <flo> probably.
22:51:54 <flo> well, I guess you could win an argument about adding it.
22:52:57 <flo> but letting Google know about every page loaded seems a bit excessive, especially for those who hate/fear Google. 
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22:53:32 <flo> others should say how they feel about it too :)
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22:55:51 * clokep doesn't care if it's anonymous.
22:56:56 <ecaron> I'm digging up a good report that explains methods to keep everyone's information safe
22:57:16 <flo> is it really anonymous if the user is currently logged in to his google account on that browser's session?
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22:58:24 <flo> ecaron: I totally understand what you want to have and why :). I'm just not sure of if it's acceptable to send that much data to a third party
23:00:36 <clokep> Can you locally store this type of data too?
23:01:06 <ecaron> We could run/maintain piwik, we could cope with just limited information from awstats, we could pay for something like haveamint
23:01:30 <flo> there are quite powerful solutions (although not as powerful as what Google provide) based on parsing the Apache logs
23:02:18 <ecaron> You know a better one than awstats?
23:02:37 <flo> no
23:02:56 <flo> I haven't played with these things for years.
23:03:00 <ecaron> I suppose it doesn't matter, and it won't impact launching/switching, so the conversation can happen another day
23:03:27 <flo> I tried to avoid spending time on server stuff ; Even has done most of the server related work
23:03:32 <ecaron> My primary reason for GA is I want to know our most popular pages, what regions we get the most traffic from, and what keywords lead people to the site.
23:04:08 <EionRobb1> there's a server-side version of GA called..... urchin?
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23:04:20 <flo> what if people read from RSS and never load any page from the blog itself?
23:04:35 <EionRobb> you can add stats to the rss feed :)
23:04:55 <EionRobb> s/stats/tracking/
23:04:57 <flo> you mean adding images in each post?
23:05:15 <EionRobb> yeah, there's example code provided by GA to do that
23:05:16 <flo> that "no comment" / "comment: <count>" image we see on some blog posts?
23:05:21 <ecaron> EionRobb: Urchin costs money for the actively maintained version, the open source alternative is Piwik but that also requires server-side work
23:05:54 <EionRobb> ecaron: ah ok. never sure on the costs of these things :)
23:06:39 <ecaron> As far as RSS readership, I'm not that concerned about it because size of the audience isn't really an active worry. I might suggest using Feedburner, but frankly people following the RSS are already members of the community and there's not much to learn from that. (Our knowledge from them would come from what comments they leave)
23:07:26 * ecaron feels like he's needlessly stirring the pot
23:10:51 <flo> ecaron: I thought about people reading planet.mozilla.org and seeing our blog there
23:12:30 <ecaron> flo: For those situations, that's why I think truncating the information in the RSS feed would be beneficial.
23:12:45 <ecaron> So we could discover which articles resonate with that audience.
23:13:26 <clokep> Most articles on pmo don't truncate I don't think...but some do.
23:13:42 <flo> ecaron: I'm totally opposed to truncating on the RSS feed.
23:13:58 <flo> it's not a common practice on pmo
23:14:03 <ecaron> No problem, I can turn that off. (turned off)
23:14:18 <flo> my question about it was for the display on the site itself
23:15:05 <ecaron> Could you restate the question then, I didn't follow it
23:15:58 <flo> when going to the homepage of the blog, is it better for readers that the posts (including the newest one) are truncated?
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23:16:33 <ecaron> Absolutely
23:19:23 <ecaron> I would also like to add a Subscribe by Email feature that'd email people when a new post is launched
23:19:49 <ecaron> Anyway, I've got family stuff to do. I'll sign on later. Everyone knows my email if anyone wants to send me opinions off-thread.
23:20:00 <ecaron> flo: Whenever you have time, I'd love the comments dump.
23:20:05 <ecaron> Later!
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23:20:17 <flo> bah, I've already sent them
23:21:33 * clokep is working on a really gross Twitter patch. :-/
23:30:51 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 833 to bug 1022.
23:30:52 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 833 on bug 1022.
23:30:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1022 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter RT display/RTs are cut off by character limit
23:33:59 <clokep> Please don't be too mean about that patch flo. ;)
23:34:49 <flo> I'm working on a forum post, with pictures from the work done on the AMI Saturday.
23:35:26 <clokep> Oh I wasn't expecting right now, just in general.
23:35:33 <clokep> Ya know, like...be sitting down when you finally look at it.
23:48:20 <flo> have you tested it?
23:48:42 <flo> I wonder if you meant "map" instead of "every"
23:48:46 <clokep> Yes. It worked for me. (I also had a bunch of print statements in it that seemed to give proper results).
23:49:02 <clokep> Uhh...I probably did mean that. :-/
23:49:12 <flo> because every returns a boolean
23:49:26 <clokep> Yes, it would.
23:49:33 <flo> so I've no idea how concatenating a boolean to an array of entities could give useful results
23:50:25 <flo> hmm, no you didn't mean map either, as you don't return from the function :-S
23:51:43 <clokep> It acutally works...I have a feeling I'm editing the actual object...
23:53:13 <clokep> But I think this is better: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/957
23:53:20 <clokep> (Sorry for the funky diff of a diff...)
23:54:17 <clokep> Mic: My findbar is messed up too btw, I think you asked about that recently?
23:55:30 <flo> that still edits the original object
23:57:19 <clokep> I always forget how memory works in JS, can I just copy it and set it to a new variable like: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/958
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23:59:22 <flo> no :-/