#instantbird log on 09 17 2011

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00:21:32 <devfil> clokep: looks like I finished yahoo support :)
00:24:08 <clokep> devfil: Congrats.
00:24:33 <devfil> clokep: I only check for @yahoo if the server doesn't work
00:25:23 <clokep> :)
00:25:25 <clokep> Awesome.
00:25:32 <clokep> Not to cut this short but I'm literally on my way out!
00:25:46 <devfil> lol
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02:18:53 <Nakp> yo
02:19:17 <Nakp> flo: i was talking to cloekp or... i dont remember how its written xD
02:19:27 <Nakp> a few days ago
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02:51:05 <Nakp> hmmm seems youre not here at the time
02:51:06 <Nakp> anyway
02:51:24 <Nakp> I gave the link to cloekp (?)
02:51:26 <Nakp> this one
02:51:26 <Nakp> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/296/
02:51:39 <Nakp> he said he has not permissions there
02:51:41 <Nakp> xD
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08:29:51 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1044 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
08:29:52 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 830 to bug 1044.
08:29:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1044 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Window content jumps when starting to edit topic in a MUC
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12:04:54 <rikki> out of interest has anyone come up with a suggestion to "snap lock" the message window to firefox for instance?
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14:04:19 <flo> rikki: I've no idea what "snap lock" could mean ;)
14:04:41 <rikki> like bring the message window as a tab in firefox
14:06:27 <rikki> do you know the firefox plugin all in one?
14:07:41 <rikki> i was thinking like a tab in that
14:09:38 <rikki> thought it might be a cool idea to be able to embed IB into other Mozilla based software
14:12:41 <clokep> That would be a lot of work.
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14:15:31 <flo> rikki: is there an obvious benefit?
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14:16:01 <rikki> i was thinking for those who have only one monitor and mainly web surf
14:16:03 * flo is tired.
14:16:30 <flo> Got up early this morning, and spend the morning with a friend to improve things under the hood of the AMI... and the weather was very rainy :(
14:16:43 <rikki> damn :(
14:17:11 <flo> rikki: if they have only one monitor and it's not very big, they most likely are happy that Instantbird doesn't take space inside their web browser window
14:17:42 <rikki> you know in the plugin that i mentioned now forgot the name oops
14:17:49 <rikki> it can open / close tabs
14:17:54 <rikki> so not allways visible
14:18:13 <flo> can't your operating system show/hide windows?
14:18:18 <rikki> no i can
14:18:25 * Mic was just about to mention that.
14:18:28 <rikki> but imagine on something like a tablet
14:18:58 <flo> on a table we would need a touch-friendly UI
14:19:03 <flo> which we obviously don't have currently
14:19:19 <flo> *tablet
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14:21:12 <rikki1> but i don't know code so don't quote me on it
14:21:48 <rikki1> sorry ISP tend to do that last few months thanks to the network overloaded damn earthquake
14:23:47 <flo> rikki1: if some of your messages are not visible on http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today , we haven't received them ;)
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14:24:18 <rikki1> no they got all sent
14:24:33 <rikki1> hmm maybe not last 1
14:24:48 <rikki1> okay not last one
14:24:49 <rikki1> i assume we could run IB as a back end and write a front end for it based on existing code
14:27:16 <rikki1> im just really annoyed after the earthquake last year knocked out some routers at the exchange, have had bad internet speed and stability ever since
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14:33:58 <flo> rikki1: "i assume we could [...] write a front end [...]" the difficulty is not technical here. It's defining who is "we" (the set of people with the willingness to spend time on this).
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14:34:37 <rikki1> im just giving ideas, even if put on backburner
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14:54:25 <clokep> So the topic label is supposed to be editable?
14:54:51 <clokep> Hmmm...not working for IRC. I probably need to flip a flag. :)
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15:32:01 <flo> clokep: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/jsProtoHelper.jsm#472
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15:42:32 <brotheroddball> Hello everyone
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15:48:08 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 831 to bug 615.
15:48:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=615 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, The conversation window should be easily customizable (personas)
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16:01:41 <flo> Mic: any reason why it's not applied to the border?
16:04:56 <clokep> Thanks flo.
16:05:04 <Mic> Which border do you mean?
16:05:08 <clokep> Hello brotheroddball. :)
16:05:16 <flo> Mic: the window border / the title bar
16:05:22 <Mic> I'm rather interested how to remove the background from the conv-top-info
16:05:40 <flo> do you have DOM inspector installed?
16:05:41 <Mic> Oh, sure .. because we don't draw in the titlebar by now
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16:05:54 <Mic> *yet
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16:06:03 <flo> well, we should. Is that blocked on the work in the "Instantbird button" bug?
16:06:12 <brotheroddball> clokep hi
16:06:21 <flo> brotheroddball: hi :)
16:06:22 <Mic> You need to adjust the chromemargin attribute stuff on the "window" for that 
16:06:28 <Mic> *I
16:06:30 <Mic> ;)
16:06:32 <brotheroddball> hi flo
16:07:15 <flo> Mic: is that harder than setting the other attribute you needed to add? ;)
16:07:30 <Mic> by the way: Firefox with a menubar and not the Firefox button also doesn't draw Personas in the titlebar
16:07:56 <flo> but we have no menu bar in the conv windows
16:09:20 <brotheroddball> So what's up these days?
16:10:50 * flo takes that has a way to say "hey guys, you haven't blogged a status update for a very long while" ;)
16:11:11 <brotheroddball> I'll admit, I haven't been following the blog
16:11:42 <brotheroddball> I was just curious to see if anything big happened since my last visit
16:11:56 <flo> well, I've no idea when was your last visit
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16:12:14 <brotheroddball> last week, I believe
16:12:20 <brotheroddball> Friday
16:12:27 <brotheroddball> or was it the week before?
16:12:43 <flo> if that talks to you you can read the hg log https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/shortlog
16:12:45 <brotheroddball> anyways....
16:12:51 <brotheroddball> ok
16:13:00 <clokep> flo: We should doa blog post. ;)
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16:15:17 <brotheroddball> also, I can't instal the tabcomplete extension
16:15:20 <brotheroddball> *install
16:16:19 * clokep was wondering if douglaswth might want to integrate that...bug 205 or something...
16:16:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Auto-complete nicknames in multi-user chats (MUCs)
16:17:49 <flo> clokep: I don't think that's really easy :-/.
16:22:39 <Mic> Has anyone checked tab complete/input history with hidden conversations?
16:22:46 <Mic> I'd expect them to break :(
16:23:03 <flo> Mic: tab complete hasn't seemed to fail for me
16:24:06 <flo> clokep: oops, I got confused between douglaswt h and brotheroddbal l because their nicks appear in the same colors :(. Yes, douglaswt h may want to do that.
16:25:54 <Mic> flo: ok, something different: does it still work for you when you tear off a tab into a new window?
16:26:41 <flo> the completion?
16:26:58 <flo> Mic: no, it breaks.
16:27:46 <flo> maybe we should get rid of that code and just redisplay the conversation in the tab of the new window when doing that?
16:28:05 <flo> hmm, it would turn all existing messages into context messages though :-/
16:28:48 <brotheroddball> Listening to atual programmers talk reminds me of how much I love HTML
16:28:53 <brotheroddball> *actual
16:30:03 <flo> uh, the focus highlights on tabs are broken (= extremely ugly) on Mac :(
16:30:08 <clokep> Tab complete works for me when I restore from a hidden conversation, I don't have input history installed (I just hit ctrl+z :P)
16:30:13 <flo> brotheroddball: is that ironical? ;)
16:30:30 <brotheroddball> flo: not at all
16:30:54 <brotheroddball> flo: I am reminded of how easy my work is, by comparison
16:31:03 <brotheroddball> flo: at least in the coding department
16:31:15 <flo> well, if you also love CSS you have all you need to great message styles (if you are interested)
16:32:38 <brotheroddball> I might be....
16:32:39 <flo> s/great/create/
16:32:49 <brotheroddball> gecko engine right? CSS3 works well enough?
16:32:55 <clokep> Yes.
16:33:07 <clokep> Nightly builds are on Gecko 6.0.2.
16:33:37 <brotheroddball> I could look into it...
16:33:43 <brotheroddball> how do I test that kinda thing?
16:35:26 <Mic> With other Personas the look is even worse .. :(
16:35:49 <Mic> It even affects items of the contact list :S
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16:37:36 <Mic> http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1983/ibpersonas2.png
16:37:55 <Mic> icon is hovered, the contacts have text shadows .. :S
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16:42:11 <flo> Mic: ugly personas are ugly. Is that a surprise? :)
16:42:36 <Mic> They still shouldn't affect the items on the list ;)
16:43:04 <Mic> And I'm surprised that the hover effect of the user icon is done using the opacity.
16:43:44 <Mic> I thought the it was overlayed with a grey box until now.
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16:44:04 <Mic> Anyways .. I need to forget this for today. A beer and some bbq will definitely help ;)
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16:44:13 <Mic> Have a nice evening, all.
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16:44:39 <flo> you can attach a WIP so that you don't completely forget ;)
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16:45:34 <clokep> Or have your computre break again. ;)
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21:58:28 <Mic> Creating a WIP is pretty time consuming if you have to move all the changes from an unpacked copy of Ib to a repository to create a WIP unfortunately :(
21:58:43 <Mic> *to create a diff
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22:26:53 <ecaron> Anyone know the details on Mic?
22:27:04 <ecaron> name/email/etc?
22:30:05 <clokep> Took care of that ^ over PM. (for anyone else paying attention)
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