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00:00:31 <devfil> flo: if you want I can provide you a javascript mockup 00:00:38 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.0) 00:01:49 <devfil> give me 5 minutes 00:02:35 <flo> I think I would prefer ensuring that all the accounts have the same personal message 00:02:54 <devfil> well, this is just an idea 00:02:54 <flo> would it be ok to use the last non-reply tweet as the personal message? 00:03:11 <devfil> don't know :/ 00:03:15 <devfil> maybe an option? 00:05:53 <flo> an add-on? ;) 00:06:03 <flo> (I'm not a fan of options) 00:06:07 <flo> but anyway, it's late 00:06:10 <flo> Good night! :) 00:10:20 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 00:13:50 <-- Jocelyn has left #instantbird () 00:30:52 <-- devfil has quit (Client exited) 00:49:10 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied!  :: core-networks.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 01:42:28 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 02:26:43 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 02:33:02 <-- Mook has quit (Ping timeout) 02:33:38 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 04:08:20 --> Dante003 has joined #instantbird 04:10:34 <-- Dante003 has left #instantbird () 04:11:34 --> Dante003 has joined #instantbird 04:11:50 <-- Dante003 has quit (Quit: Dante003) 04:17:21 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 04:34:45 <-- micahg has quit (Input/output error) 04:45:27 <-- Mook has quit (Connection reset by peer) 04:47:05 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 04:47:20 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 05:37:44 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 05:38:12 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 06:00:11 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 06:04:26 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-rdmsoft [XULRunner 6.0/20110811165603]) 06:29:25 <-- skeledrew1 has quit (Ping timeout) 07:41:55 * MattATobin is now known as BinaryOutcast 08:51:38 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 09:10:40 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 09:27:02 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 09:27:39 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 09:41:43 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 09:45:32 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 09:46:12 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 10:01:53 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 10:22:17 <flo> bugspam time ;) 10:25:51 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 10:26:20 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 10:26:48 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 10:48:23 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 10:48:47 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 10:50:33 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 10:55:07 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 10:55:20 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 11:00:50 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 11:05:00 --> flo has joined #instantbird 11:05:00 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 11:06:09 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 11:06:16 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 11:06:26 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 11:08:39 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 11:09:01 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 11:09:11 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 11:09:16 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 11:10:28 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 11:10:28 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 11:11:32 <flo> boo, the unwanted restart (empty battery - without warning, *again*) corrupted my Firefox session :( 11:12:17 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 11:12:24 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 11:13:35 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 11:16:43 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 11:17:21 <Mic> Did you lose many tabs? 11:18:55 <Mic> I shouldn't post after midnight .. 11:20:08 <Mic> .. someone wrote a blog post about keyboard tab navigation and I decided to advertise Ib there .. a bit embarassing that it was already on his list that held only four items :S 11:21:46 <flo> Mic: probably less than 50 11:24:03 <aleth> flo: I can recommend the Session Manager add-on for such circumstances - works really well 11:25:29 <Mic> I shared "whiteboard: 1.1-*" searchs on Bugzilla again, just in case someone is interested. 11:28:20 <flo> I was pasting this link here just when my laptop turned itself off: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=sw%3A1.1 11:38:02 <-- hicham has quit (Quit: اÙسÙا٠عÙÙÙÙ ) 11:38:28 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 11:41:06 <-- devfil has quit (Client exited) 12:06:57 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 12:22:19 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 12:22:57 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 12:28:40 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 12:30:06 <devfil> flo: hi, yesterday I wrote a working "mockup" with my idea for psm 12:30:28 <devfil> flo: http://pastebin.com/9MiC1e2f 12:39:56 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 12:45:25 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 12:45:57 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 12:49:39 <devfil> flo: mhh... a friend suggested an idea to improve this 13:07:03 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 13:07:28 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 13:18:12 <devfil> flo: http://pastebin.com/AhkuzkkD 13:18:14 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout) 13:18:46 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 13:39:56 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 13:41:39 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 13:41:40 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 13:42:00 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 13:42:31 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 13:47:34 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 13:55:04 <-- devfil has quit (Client exited) 14:00:46 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 14:00:46 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 14:07:46 <-- sabret00the has quit (Connection timed out) 14:08:31 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 14:12:41 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 14:24:27 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 14:29:22 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 14:29:22 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 14:32:10 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 14:36:32 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 14:36:33 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 14:48:28 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 14:50:36 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 15:39:47 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 15:48:20 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 15:48:46 --> waynenguyen has joined #instantbird 16:39:16 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 16:54:57 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 16:56:25 <-- waynenguyen has quit (Ping timeout) 17:13:15 --> hunsly has joined #instantbird 17:23:57 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 17:24:05 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 17:32:36 * BinaryOutcast is now known as MattATobin 17:42:48 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 17:56:07 --> harlock has joined #instantbird 18:01:31 <-- harlock has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 18:15:18 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 18:15:18 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 18:17:03 <clokep> I'd be willing to dogfood msn-pecan as well btw. ;) And can help with packing an XPI for testing. 18:21:03 <devfil> clokep: ? what about pecan? 18:21:34 <clokep> I'd be illing to test run it if you'd like. 18:21:48 <clokep> Although I'm not a super heavy MSN user. 18:22:13 <devfil> clokep: I still have to work on that, I'm busy with esams 18:22:22 <clokep> I saw, good luck. :) 18:22:41 <devfil> but instantbird support should be easy, I'll need an help to create the XPI :) 18:23:20 <clokep> Yup! flo: We could probably package things that aren't statically linked automatically into an XPI actually, I don't think it' dbe that make make foo. 18:23:55 <devfil> clokep: what do you think about my idea for personal message? 18:24:21 <clokep> I honestly didn't really follow it devfil, what is a "personal message" how is it different than a status message? 18:24:43 <flo> we can probably automate the creation of the XPI, yes 18:24:51 <devfil> clokep: a personal message is not associated to status and it's stored on the server 18:25:08 <devfil> like a tweet :) 18:25:19 <clokep> I see. 18:26:14 <devfil> if you use also the official msn client you'll notice that the personal message you set in instantbird is lost 18:26:26 <clokep> Seems like we'd need a better way to set that then. (I.e. syncing that, Twitter and Facebook, which we don't support but I know has been asked for by people). 18:26:32 <devfil> and maybe there is another one in the official client 18:27:02 <devfil> yes, it could be synked, I just proposed another interface to set them 18:27:28 <devfil> at least they are not lost switching between official and unofficial client 18:27:38 <clokep> That would be ideal, yes. :) 18:27:39 <devfil> it should work also for twitter and facebook 18:28:18 <devfil> and if you set your status to busy you won't lose it like in pidgin -.-' 18:28:40 <clokep> I see. That's good it sounds like. :) 18:28:59 <devfil> clokep: that html needs to be fixed but my idea is this 18:29:20 <devfil> under your username you'll see the protocol icon and the personal message you're using on that account 18:29:35 <devfil> there is 5(10?)-switch in order to change it 18:29:45 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 18:29:48 <devfil> so you'll see all different personal messages you're using 18:29:54 <devfil> if you're using different ones 18:30:18 <devfil> if you click on that you'll see a bubble with all personal messages and you'll be allowed to change them 18:30:24 <devfil> this is my idea UI-side 18:30:30 <clokep> Hmm....yeah, kind of goes against our showing everything as one "identity" (if that's the right concept fo) 18:31:25 <devfil> clokep: a checkbox could allow you to sync all psm if you want hiding all psm 18:32:57 <devfil> but this at leat allows you to download and manage psms server-side 18:33:02 <clokep> I think a mock up would be better here. :) 18:33:32 <devfil> yes, I can change my html mockup to show how this could work :) 18:33:42 <devfil> give me 10 minutes 18:33:53 <clokep> There's no rush. 18:34:04 <clokep> Don't want to distract you from studying for exams. (Although maybe you want to be distracted? ;)) 18:34:30 <devfil> clokep: well, I'll continue to study later, I need a break :) 18:36:08 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 18:39:16 <clokep> Hah, OK. :) 18:51:08 <clokep> Bah bugspam... 18:51:36 <clokep> 65 messages from Instantbird Bugzilla. :P 19:30:23 <devfil> clokep: done 19:34:02 <devfil> clokep: http://pastebin.com/SBnnt26F 19:37:57 <clokep> devfil: And this would be an extra row in addition to the status row, correct? 19:38:07 <devfil> clokep: yes 19:38:17 <clokep> Seems reasonable. :) 19:38:40 <clokep> (And when you tick Sync...it would automatically use the newest from all your accounts?) 19:39:30 <devfil> clokep: if yoy don't want to sync them, psms switch each 5 seconds in the main window 19:39:48 <devfil> clokep: well, I don't know this, maybe the default should be the twitter one 19:40:02 <devfil> or the only set (if the others aren't) 19:40:10 <clokep> Right, that's more of a UI issue anyway. :) 19:40:18 <devfil> or nothing, I don't know 19:41:16 <clokep> Yeah, makes sense though. 19:41:38 <clokep> There's a temporary status message you give out to IM accounts and a more permant message that goes out to Twitter/Facebook/MSN/what-have-you. 19:43:35 <devfil> clokep: maybe a "global psm" for not-twitter/not-msn/not-fb accounts can be added 19:43:51 <devfil> and it can be used as default if the users choice to sync psms 19:43:54 <clokep> I'm not sure what you mean by that. 19:44:11 <clokep> Ah, maybe. 19:45:34 <devfil> clokep: I think the bubble can be cool (if well designed) and easily to use, also he provide good support for psm in a multiprotocol client like instantbird 19:45:45 <devfil> *it provides 19:46:00 <devfil> I have to study english too -.-' 19:47:14 <clokep> For exams or for programming? ;) 19:47:27 <devfil> for programming :) 19:49:01 <devfil> clokep: at least, maybe I was able to explain this idea :) 19:55:15 <clokep> A lot of it is my lack of understanding of the protocol I'm sure. :) 19:55:24 <clokep> and I haven't used the official MSN client in...idk 6 years? 19:57:30 <clokep> flo: How did the meeting at the bank go? 20:02:27 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.1a1pre) 20:10:18 <flo> clokep: mostly ok. They didn't accept to write down that we won't have anything to pay. They said what they offered to do for us was against the bank policy, so they couldn't write it in anyway. 20:11:20 <clokep> That's a little sketchy. :-/ 20:12:22 <flo> yeah, they said it's a "moral engagement" (that phrase sounded like bullshit to me :-D), that they would honor it, but it can't be written (and what's written on the contract is very different :-/). 20:13:17 --> harlock has joined #instantbird 20:13:36 <clokep> Yeah, that's not comforting. 20:13:43 <flo> I'm confident they will respect it though, because they also have a strong assurance that should they fail to conform to it, the content of all my personal accounts would immediately go into another bank ;). 20:13:53 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 20:15:13 <clokep> Haha, true. :) 20:25:48 <-- harlock has quit (Quit: Baibai) 20:33:46 <devfil> flo: what d you think about my purpose? 20:35:43 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:36:23 <flo> devfil: is there an easy way to see it without downloading the file? 20:36:42 <clokep> flo: http://htmledit.squarefree.com/ 20:37:47 <flo> clokep: thanks :) 20:39:07 <flo> devfil: I prefer avoiding per-account things whenever possible in the default UI 20:42:10 <aleth> Not sure I completely understand the concept, but wouldn't Preferences be the place for this, as it would not be changed frequently? (Assuming one can avoid per-account complications) 20:42:36 <flo> aleth: it can change relatively frequently. 20:42:46 <flo> It's a status message, but that isn't related to one's availability 20:42:58 <flo> on XMPP I think it's called a "mood" 20:43:19 <aleth> Ah, ok. I was thinking along the lines of the twitter self-descriptor 20:43:50 <EionRobb> http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/9/25316434227-orig.png if that helps explain it ;) 20:44:21 <flo> EionRobb: ah, moods are restricted to a list? :-S 20:44:35 <aleth> You may only have approved moods ;) 20:44:36 <flo> I thought it was a message that the user could set 20:44:39 <aleth> EionRobb: thanks. I'm kind of amazed people use it though... 20:44:43 <EionRobb> I don't know if all protocols support all moods 20:45:04 <flo> EionRobb: thanks for the screenshot by the way :) 20:45:59 <aleth> Personally it seems like more clutter (but I guess that's a minority opinion) 20:45:59 <flo> ah, it's both an icon (an item of that list) and a message it seems: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0107.html#proto-format 20:46:15 <EionRobb> just getting my coworker to set his mood so that I can take a screenshot of the buddy list too 20:46:44 <clokep> Bah that seems fairly confusing... 20:47:25 <flo> clokep: everything related to status handling is confusing, because people have different expectations of "what everybody always does" depending on which client they have used before ;) 20:48:03 <flo> our job is to put some order in the mess ;) 20:48:12 <clokep> flo: Yeah, and every protocol supports different things. Very different things. 20:48:30 <flo> and most support the same things, with different names, claiming it's a special feature 20:48:43 <clokep> Ah, perhaps. 20:48:58 <clokep> Like unavailable vs do not disturb vs away and other subsets. ;) 20:49:20 <flo> yeah... 20:49:26 <flo> and like what's stored on the servers 20:49:33 <clokep> Yeah. :-/ 20:49:44 <flo> Google Talk has a "shared status" thing so that all connected Gtalk clients share the same status 20:49:45 <clokep> If just everyone would use XMPP and that's all we had to care about. :-D 20:50:05 <devfil> aleth: I don't know how to better explain how that concept works :/ù 20:50:12 <flo> XMPP most likely has lots of contradicting XEPs anyway ;) 20:50:27 <clokep> Oh, I know, we shold just make our own protocol...:P 20:50:34 <EionRobb> the best thing about standards, is that there's so many of them to choose from 20:51:00 <flo> + each time we are confused and decide to make something better, that adds one to the list :) 20:51:13 <flo> (yeah, xkcd) 20:51:39 <aleth> devfil: Thanks, I think I get it now (it's just that I wouldn't use it, so its unfamiliar) 20:52:11 <aleth> https://www.xkcd.com/927/ 20:56:14 <clokep> Hmm....I don't seem to be suffering from bug 567 anymore (which is good, not sure if I should close it or not). 20:56:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=567 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Crash [@ msim_status_text ] in the myspace protocol plugin. 20:56:52 <flo> has any of the msim files been changed? 20:57:08 <flo> or is that automatic timer removal that's saving the situation? 20:57:43 <flo> (or do we even care about the answer to these questions? :-D) 20:57:43 <clokep> Hmm....could have been the timer removal. One second. 20:58:47 <clokep> Some files did change for 2.9.0 20:59:20 <clokep> I'll close it within a few days if I have no issues. :) 20:59:47 <devfil> flo: why that should be a change to UI for each protocol? 21:00:00 <devfil> you can handle that using libpurple 21:00:12 <devfil> you only have to show used accounts 21:00:44 <flo> clokep: sounds good :) 21:01:44 <flo> devfil: I've no idea of what these last 3 sentences are referring to 21:02:01 <devfil> [22:39] <@flo> devfil: I prefer avoiding per-account things whenever possible in the default UI 21:02:42 <flo> right. I haven't mentioned "each protocol". 21:03:03 <devfil> yes, I read wrongly :/, sorry for the mistake 21:04:44 <devfil> well, I don't have other ideas about this :P 21:05:11 <flo> it's a UI thing. If you are working on the prpl, you don't have to worry about it 21:06:02 <devfil> I have to know if I should disable psm server-side storing or not :) 21:08:34 <devfil> that feature is cool if you use several clients 21:09:10 <flo> and even more if you have ever set anything in the personal message ;) 21:09:36 <devfil> it's higly used in italy 21:09:49 <devfil> also what about tweets or facebook posts? 21:10:46 <flo> it's the same thing 21:11:20 <flo> and yes, twitter also tends to be cooler if you sometime write on it. 21:15:12 <devfil> mhhh... don't know 21:16:19 --> linuxwizard has joined #instantbird 21:21:38 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 21:24:48 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied!  :: core-networks.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 21:25:47 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 21:47:49 <devfil> flo: what about a plugin? 21:53:08 <flo> plugin authors are free ;) 21:55:46 <devfil> flo: maybe I'll find someone interested in working on this... maybe :) 22:00:12 <EionRobb> plugin? 22:00:27 <flo> add-on 22:50:24 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied!  :: core-networks.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 22:58:12 <-- linuxwizard has left #instantbird () 23:05:08 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/9eed3b6cc139 - Florian Quèze - Fix getting Mozilla localized files (compatibility with the new release repositories). 23:11:08 <-- devfil has quit (Client exited) 23:12:22 * flo is apparently making a mess of the l10n buildbot :-S 23:19:03 <flo> seems to work well now :) 23:19:24 <flo> and I can mark the " fix getting l10n strings from Mozilla " line of the roadmap as completed 23:19:52 * flo is happy. That item looked scary :). 23:19:59 <flo> it looks a lot less scary now that it's fixed :) 23:21:05 <clokep> Congrats. :) Should help our localizers too. :) 23:29:37 <flo> I'm a bit surprised that I ended up fixing it this evening because I was too lazy to find a way to explain in a bug what needed to be done to get it in a working condition, and that was [1.1-blocking] so it really needed to be in file so that we could track correctly what's left to do for the release :-D 23:33:38 <flo> hmm, is there anything listed in https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Roadmap:1.1 (or that we have otherwise promised to do) that would be 1.1-blocking or 1.1-wanted and isn't already in https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=sw%3A1.1 ? (I don't care much about the 1.1-nice-to-have as most of them are likely to be postponed anyway) 23:39:23 <clokep> I don't think there's anything missing. 23:39:43 <clokep> Although the conversation handling/interruptions manager probably need to be a bit better defined. :) 23:40:04 <flo> yeah :( 23:40:40 <flo> I don't really know what's still missing for the conversation handling in addition to what's already listed as dependencies of the tracking bug 23:40:50 <flo> it feels like it's not ready, but I won't know why :( 23:41:54 <aleth> you could always leave the interruptions manager to 1.2... 23:42:17 <flo> the interruption manager will basically be a service that will be called by all UI things that could interrupt the user's train of thoughts and request an authorization for it. I think all authorizations will be granted by default, and add-ons will be able to change this behavior 23:43:07 <flo> add-ons could make things so that conversations from people not in the buddy list aren't allowed to pop-up 23:43:21 <flo> (or maybe that should be built-in but off-by-default, and with an option to turn it on) 23:43:58 <aleth> I think the conversation handling will really come into its own when combined with session restore, and with context provided for all conversations (ie a different log file system). These are big items but they will eventually lead to less distinction between terminated conversations and hidden conversations 23:44:02 <flo> another add-on/option could deny all authorizations while unavailable 23:44:18 <flo> another could deny authorization for nickserv 23:44:19 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 23:45:04 <aleth> But you could release 1.1 without the interruptions manager? Or is it not so separate from hidden conversations 23:45:18 <flo> aleth: yeah... "context provided for all conversations" won't come soon though. 23:45:36 <aleth> understandably so 23:45:40 <flo> I think the interruption manager is needed to make Hidden Conversations really useful 23:46:00 <flo> it's almost part of it, in a way 23:46:09 <flo> but it would also prevent sounds and popup notifications 23:46:29 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 23:46:36 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 23:46:48 <flo> by the way, I don't like the name "Hidden Conversations" 23:46:55 <aleth> yes its misleading 23:46:57 <flo> but I'm not sure why 23:47:13 <flo> (I guess if I knew I would have a good idea for a replacement ^^) 23:47:50 <aleth> So you are thinking of features like you could have an interruption manager setting that would have incoming conversations "hidden" rather than popping up a window 23:48:03 <flo> sure 23:48:13 <flo> I also want auto-join chats to be hidden 23:48:54 <flo> but for all these things I'm not sure if I want that by default / built-in but turned off by default / in add-ons. 23:48:59 <flo> I'm just sure I want to use that :) 23:49:08 <aleth> :) 23:49:26 <aleth> less interruptions, what's not to love 23:50:31 <clokep> I think auto-joined conversation might be an add-on...and restoring them might be the good "default" behavior. 23:50:46 <clokep> And I don't know a better name than "Hidden Conversations" either. :-/ 23:51:02 <clokep> Maybe just "Conversations" but people would then expect all open conversations to be there. 23:51:10 <aleth> "Minimized conversations" fits better but is terrible for other reasons 23:51:18 <clokep> "Minimized Conversations"? "Closed Conversations" isn't accurate. 23:51:34 <flo> "Idle conversations"? 23:51:45 <flo> "Inactive conversations" 23:51:50 <aleth> "shelved" 23:51:51 <flo> "Pending Conversations"? 23:52:01 <flo> "stfu conversations"? :-P 23:52:07 <aleth> lol 23:52:32 <aleth> "conversations" (hidden) vs "active conversations" (tabs) ? 23:52:36 <EionRobb> silenced conversations? 23:53:12 <clokep> This sounds like bike shedding...:P 23:53:21 <flo> if we want to release by the end of the month and still give a decent string freeze period for translators, we should give priority to whatever still needs string changes 23:53:34 <aleth> You could call "hidden conversations" "the bikeshed" :p 23:53:49 <flo> convshed? 23:54:37 * clokep doesn't like the double click default action. 23:55:12 <aleth> "Background noise" 23:55:26 <flo> clokep: explain why in the bug please? ;) 23:55:40 --> kaie has joined #instantbird 23:55:41 * clokep needs to find the bug... 23:55:49 <clokep> I'd search for everything Mic has filed...but that's like 400 bugs. 23:56:01 <lewellyn> clokep: this is the url my bot gives for bikeshedding conversations. it may or may not be useful... :) 23:56:04 <lewellyn> 16:54 +smrt: http://nsfw-comix.com/nsfw098.htm 23:56:36 <lewellyn> that page is sfw, unlike the rest of the site. be warned. 23:56:43 <clokep> Hah. 23:56:54 <aleth> heh 23:56:55 <kaie> instantbird ships with NSS embedded, right? you did not ship a security udpate after the recent DigiNotar trust compromise, right? 23:57:30 <clokep> kaie: We did not ship a security update, no. 23:57:46 <clokep> Idk if we use the system NSS on Linux. 23:58:38 <kaie> clokep, not all linux systems have system NSS. I believe the default of Linux binary downloads is "with own NSS included and preferred". I believe you only use system NSS when using a package that was built by the linux distribution